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00:02 < avemestr> THE Billy Zane?
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01:13 < polarian> thrig: I dont think kids use OpenBSD
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01:19 < tux0r> kids use linux to brag on their schoolyard
01:19 < tux0r> "i installed ubuntu i'm h4x0r".
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01:32 < polarian> tux0r: hm... I think you overestimate the ability of kids these days 
01:32 < polarian> most kids cant even find a file within a filesystem 
01:32 < polarian> on windows.
01:32 < thrig> tech literacy in general ain't very good
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01:34 < polarian> indeed
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01:34 < polarian> look at me, I am an idiot, an idiot who managed to connect to IRC :P
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01:36 < tux0r> i'd bet you just use a software that was made to make you connect to IRC
01:36 < tux0r> non-idiots use telnet.
01:36 < tux0r> :P
01:38 < polarian> tux0r: I have connected to networks with telnet before :P
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01:38 < polarian> I used to do it for the giggles
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02:27 < polarian> How do I stop pppoe interface modifying /etc/resolv.conf?
02:33 < falsifian> polarian: resolvd(8) edits resolv.conf automatically. I guess you could disable resolvd? Disabling autoconf on the interface might also have the effect you want, if you don't need DHCP.
02:34 < polarian> falsifian: but pppoe negotiation isn't DHCP
02:34 < polarian> or at least I am pretty sure it is not 
02:35 < falsifian> polarian: Okay, I don't know then. Still, I'm guessing it's resolvd that's editing your resolv.conf.
02:36 < polarian> oh wait 
02:36 < polarian> thankn you falsifian 
02:37 < falsifian> resolvd(8): "resolvd also monitors ... network devices which natively learn DNS information". So maybe it gets DNS info from the pppoe protocol and puts that in resolv.conf.
02:37 < polarian> yes it was that I am an idiot 
02:37 < polarian> thx
02:37 < falsifian> <3
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03:49 < rahl> logged into a remote box after quite a few months. Discovered a significant clock drift, but ntpd seems to have been running happily the whole time.
03:49 < rahl> Unfortunately looks like the config was set up to not log :/
03:50 < rahl> I've been reading man pages and searching online, but I'm not certain of the "best" way to kick things back into alignment
03:51 < rahl> `ntpctl -s status` : 4/5 peers valid, constraint offset 1170751s (5 errors), clock unsynced, clock offset is 1170624755.793ms
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03:59 < uwharrie> rahl: if your clock is too far off, ntpd will not adjust it. you'd need to use rdate(8) to get things back within ntpd's tolerances
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04:03 < rahl> uwharrie: cheers. was wondering if I'd have to use adjtime - will read up on rdate
04:04 < rahl> With ntpd running in the background, how is it that things can still get so far out of sync?
04:04 < tommyrot> undocumented feature that the program doesn't do what it is supposed to do
04:05 < uwharrie> because ntpd can only make adjustments of a certain magnitude. if your clock is too far off at startup or skews too much during adjustment periods, it stops working
04:06 < tommyrot> you're not giving a reason, just confirming it's bugged
04:08 < rahl> presumably if it goes too far out of sync during an adjustment period, it could run rdate using one of the servers from it's config.
04:08 < rahl> I can appreciate there might be reasons, would be nice to understand them
04:09 < rahl> uwharrie: thanks for giving your time to help 
04:10 < uwharrie> if it's too far out, that usually points to a hardware problem that should be resolved
04:12 < rahl> In which case I should contact the server host
04:12 < rahl> This skew seems pretty large; is it advisable to use -a with rdate?
04:13 < rahl> haha, yeah 14 day skew :/
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06:58 < rahl> After running pkg_add -u, I see various notes from packages saying I should rm -rf certain directory content. One of which contains a config file I had previosly written. How much should I trust these "should remove"s? I feel like most are probably fine; potentially cleaning cruft from previous pkg versions.
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07:04 < rahl> I presume it's a case of "feel free to delete unless you've manually altered/added something within, in which case probably check to make sure any such files are compatible with the update(s)"
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07:07 < rahl> Also, the nginx update mentions that it's main config file has been modified, but the file date remains unchanged. Is there somewhere else these updates might be stored? I looked for an equivalent to something like pacman's .pacnew but found nothing
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08:30 < zelest> What's the best approach to debug a chrome.core? It doesn't seem to be any debug-chromium package and building it from scratch to debug a .core sounds a bit extreme? :-)
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08:41 < avemestr> polarian: Tell /etc/dhcpleased.conf to ignore dns on that interface.
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08:42 < avemestr> polarian: E.g. "interface pppoe0 { ignore dns }".
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09:47 < rahl> On another note, is there a way to improve readability for diff output, particularly when using diff -r?
09:53 < sibiria> -u?
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09:57 < armani> I do use -ruNP
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10:02 < lemontree> hello, i installed openbsd and now the startup is stuck at the bios level. i can't enter the bios settings (it stays at "entering setup"). i kind of fear i bricked my mainboard and would have to flash it externally. Reading the mainboard manual, there is a reset pin mentioned. i have never tried working with that, but is it worth trying to use this reset pin?
10:03 < lemontree> plattform is amd64
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10:04 < sibiria> try disconnecting the storage device that has openbsd on it, and see if your weirdo computer un-shits itself then
10:04 < sibiria> don't you agree, lavaball?
10:05 < sibiria> stomp once for yes, twice for also yes
10:06 < sibiria> lavaball: let's listen to the keytar solo in jean-michel jarre's OVERTURE from Industrial Revolutions, and ponder the oppressive nature of permanent mutes on a medium supposed to further and promote speech and open discussions
10:06 < sibiria> phy1729 is welcome to join, too
10:07 < lemontree> sibiria: thanks, that worked!
10:07 < sibiria> lemontree: the openbsd installer can't, won't touch your BIOS settings. it's likely that it's just a crap EFI/BIOS implementation that goofs up when it finds something "not windows(r)" on the disk
10:08 < ludovicus> hmm noted
10:08 < sibiria> you may be able to normalize it by disabling e.g. Secure Boot
10:08 < sibiria> and possibly also disabling the CSM and letting the board run in untethered EFI mode
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10:14 < lemontree> sibiria: hmm, in the bios boop priorities, there is usually something like "ubuntu" when ubuntu is installed etc. i tought originally that that must be also written by openbsd and maybe that was not what the bios expected?
10:15 < sibiria> not sure how your bios beeps or boops, but, i suppose it could've been grub failing miserably. again
10:15 < sibiria> dual-booting stuff poses problems every now and then
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10:16 < lemontree> sibiria: only one OS is on this device, so i don't think i even have grub in this case? csm is enabled
10:17 < sibiria> i always disable csm these days. pretty much everything does efi fine
10:21 < lemontree> uefi only also doesn't work
10:22 < sibiria> you have installed openbsd in "bios/mbr mode"
10:22 < sibiria> you will need to reinstall as efi
10:22 < sibiria> the way The Lorde intended
10:22 < lemontree> aah
10:22 < lemontree> thanks
10:23 < sibiria> it should Just Work(tm) if you run the installer again. it should pick up that you're on EFI and such
10:23 < sibiria> and make sure you go with GPT partitioning
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10:39 < lemontree> hmm, booting from the cd seems to require csm? it doesn't boot when i set boot mode to uefi only
10:39 < sibiria> if you have network, boot the install kernel (or .img) from USB
10:42 < sibiria> the iso isn't the best outset these days
10:44 < lemontree> via pxe? (i previously tried also booting from usb sticks but my usb sticks seemed to be bad somehow? that's why i have chosen cd booting)
10:45 < sibiria> the install kernel prefers network to proceed
10:45 < sibiria> (to download sets)
10:45 < sibiria> the .img has everything you need
10:45 < sibiria> it will install without network
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10:46 < sibiria> i *think* the installer is sane enough these days to do the necessary ESP/EFI setup if you choose to install from GPT, even if you're not booting from EFI
10:46 < sibiria> if you can't do anything but boot the CD in CSM mode then give that a try
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10:47 < lemontree> okay, will try from the network first. thanks
10:51 < sibiria> PXE not needed, just to underline. the install kernel image (miniroot.img) goes onto USB
10:51 < sibiria> but if you already have a suitable large USB device you can just toss the regular install.img on there
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10:53 < lemontree> do you mean: booting from cd while usb with gpt with the other install.img and booting that? instead of the cd kernel?
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10:54 < lemontree> (i mean the usb ist attached, i boot from cd and load the kernel from usb?)
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10:54 < sibiria> if you have a working USB storage device, just write install.img to it and boot from there in EFI mode
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12:25 < lemontree> sibiria: doesn't change. i can successfully install it, but after rebooting, it doesn't boot and stays in the bios forever
12:26 < lemontree> (I have used GPT in the partition table and booted with uefi only mode.)
12:26 < lemontree> and regarding secure boot, i haven't found a setting for it
12:29 < lemontree> should i collect the dmsg and sysctl hw.sensors and send a mail to bugs@ ?
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13:04 < sibiria> lemontree: sure, why not
13:05 < sibiria> though i do suspect the issue really is some bios/efi setting
13:05 < sibiria> what kind of computer is it? laptop or a regular motherboard? what model?
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13:09 < lemontree> regular motherboard from gigabyte. specific model is H87-HD3. bios is from american megatrends. bought everything in 2013 (to show roughly how old it is)
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13:27 < sibiria> should work just fine. update to latest available bios if you haven't already. other than that, to repeat myself, i'm sure it's just a case of the secure boot (and related) settings making trouble
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13:29 < lemontree> hm thanks
13:29 < lemontree> ah now i found the secure boot setting: it is disabled and always was
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15:04 < Nios34> yoo is man.openbsd.org down?
15:04 < IcePic> yes
15:05 < Nios34> sad :-(
15:06 < IcePic> the admin of that server has written about it on misc@ maillist, including these lines:
15:06 < IcePic> being that UofT might be down for a few days, I have lit up a
15:06 < IcePic> VPS with cvsweb and man content on them.
15:06 < IcePic> https://cvsweb.egoslike.us/
15:07 < IcePic> https://man.egoslike.us/
15:07 < zelest> Either it's man.openbsd.org that's up.. or the christmas lights..
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15:42 < rahl> Am I right in saying that signify only works with keys generated by signify, and not for example keys downloaded from a pgp keyserver?
15:42 < martian67> yes, it is its own signature format
15:43 < rahl> ah. bugger. I was trying to avoid installing gpg (for no major reason).
15:43 < martian67> and doesnt support any of the pgp attestation stuff
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15:44 < rahl> ack
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15:46  * pardis laments the lack of signify --rebuild-keydb-caches
15:47 < zelest> pardis, you need systemd-signify for that
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15:52 < IcePic> it was one of the main points of signify to not be pgp/gpg
15:53 < IcePic> https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan-signify.html
15:54 < zyxer> Anyone knows if skulls disable intel ME? https://github.com/merge/skulls
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15:58 < IcePic> zyxer: seems to come with some tooling for it at least
15:58 < IcePic> https://github.com/merge/skulls/blob/fba6449cfc5cb9328afbf90c76fb730e4691c3bb/util/me_cleaner/README.md?plain=1#L6
16:00 < kellyschips14> would sgnify also provide disk encryption ? or just knowing the image wasnt tampered ?
16:01 < phy1729> man softraid see the crypto discipline
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16:23 < avemestr> lemontree: FWIW, I recall a machine where SecureBoot should be enabled before OpenBSD would boot. Also, try to "force UEFI" by saying "Only UEFI" or something like like than.
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18:03 < jfsimon> Good evening, does someone know why codeblocks can't find (and parse) the standard headers (although llvm compiler works) ?
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18:06 < zyxer> Probably path in codeblocks settings.
18:08 < jfsimon> Yes i can't yet fix it
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23:57 < SNAX_74> Do you know why OpenBSD sometimes slows down when you are away from the keyboard ?
23:57 < thrig> how do you know?
23:57 < metavoid> I bet its just lazy,no one supervising
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23:58 < metavoid> I would do the same
23:58 < thrig> get back to work!
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23:58 < SNAX_74> When I step away from the keyboard for 10 minutes OS slows down
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23:59 < SNAX_74> I tried xset -dpms
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