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15:03 < remiliascarlet> Happy New Year!
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15:43 < remiliascarlet> In /etc/hostname.iwm0, I put the correct SSID name as the nwid, the correct 8 character long password as the wpakey, and doing "sh /etc/netstart iwm0" returns "ifconfig: no nwid or join command, guessing nwid to use\nifconfig: wpakey: passphrase must be between 8 and 63 characters". Anyone know why the fuck this is?
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15:49 < remiliascarlet> Nevermind, it's just the OpenBSD handbook that's giving me misinformation. I simply put all 3 lines on 1 line, and now it works.
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16:04 < IcePic> remiliascarlet: which doc was wrong?
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16:20 < phy1729> not https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Wireless
16:21 < aerth> openbsdhandbook https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/networking/wireless/#configuring-your-wireless-adapter
16:23 < ke5c2fin> How do I get ECMP working with dynamically learned BGP routes? I see this part of the handbook regarding ECMP but it is only for static routes https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Multipath
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16:24 < remiliascarlet> IcePic: https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/networking/wireless/
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16:35 < phy1729> Ok general you should use the official documentation not some random other website
16:39 < outofcreativity> remiliascarlet: depending on your password, it can be necessary to put quotes ' around it
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16:46 < remiliascarlet> phy1729: It's pretty confusing if the website is literally called "OpenBSD Handbook".
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16:52 < thrig> websites can (mostly) publish whatever they want
16:54 < remiliascarlet> You don't say!
16:55 < remiliascarlet> This is just as shocking as the fact that a washing machine is intended to wash your clothes, not your pets!
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17:12 < martian67> remiliascarlet: nobody associated with openbsd has any control over that site, don't use it
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20:34 < ox1eef_> remiliascarlet: The FAQ covers wireless, altho I don't think it covers everything (such as ifconfig mywifi scan), which is why alternative sources like the openbsd handbook are sometimes helpful. Anyway: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html
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20:42 < fro> sometimes helpful but mostly not
20:44 < IcePic> when its not helpful, it affects the people who have the least chance to know why it doesn't work
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20:50 < ox1eef_> Yep. Fair enough.
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20:52 < fro> anyone using the openbsd handbook is likely specifically seeking it out
20:52 < fro> which makes no sense to me
20:52 < ox1eef_> Maybe coming from FreeBSD. Wild guess.
20:53 < fro> right but the freebsd handbook is hosted from freebsd.org
20:53 < fro> one is not like the other
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20:55 < fro> the point i guess is that nobody is getting a link to the openbsd handbook from anything official
20:55 < fro> so they're finding it through google or something else
20:56 < thrig> maybe they've been (incorrectly) trained to put stuff into a searchbox
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20:56 < dennis> It's pretty common to assume the provided documentation is bad, and seek out some walkthrough from a blog or something instead.
20:56 < dennis> bad/too detailed/too long/whatever
20:57 < fro> it's pretty stupid to assume*
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20:57 < dennis> don't make an ass out of u and me :)
20:57 < fro> if it's a child or a person who doesn't speak and read english i guess whatever
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20:57 < fro> that'a fair
20:57 < fro> that's*
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20:58 < aerth> haha its the first result for "official openbsd doc"  (without quotes)
20:58 < fro> and yet it's still not official
20:58 < dennis> Not sure I agree, fro :) Bad documentation is pretty standard both on windows and linux. Lots of users will have that background.
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20:59 < fro> well we don't have to agree
20:59 < ox1eef_> I have a similar problem searching for Ruby docs. Always ranks an outdated, ugly site over better alternatives. 
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21:37 < oldlaptop> dennis: Even on linux that background tends to lead you astray decently often; e.g. linux-man-pages (i.e. https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ - not "manpages on linux" as a general matter) are generally quite good, as are a lot of the info pages the useless gnu "lol use info luser" manpages point to
21:38 < oldlaptop> (at least within the fundamental constraint of "being info pages"
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21:38 < dennis> It absolutely does! I'm not saying it's good behaviour. But it is understandable, IMO.
21:38 < oldlaptop> of course linux-man-pages mostly covers sections 2 and 3, which a lot of "users" won't have background in at all
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21:39 < dennis> Also, using man-pages on kernel.org would be a mistake, as it might not cover the versions you're actually using
21:39 < dennis> you should always use the manpages for your system specifically ^^
21:39 < oldlaptop> Quite
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21:40 < oldlaptop> (That is another issue unique to linux - even where each component's vendor has good documentation, does the *distributor*?)
21:40 < dennis> yup
21:41 < oldlaptop> Debian tends to be pretty good about that, but their handbook sorts of documents rank *really* badly on search engines (way worse than the openbsd website in that respect)
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21:45 < ox1eef_> IMO the state of Linux documentation has a lot to do with how fragmented it is.
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21:46 < oldlaptop> the greatest strength and weakness of the whole ecosystem
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21:48 < dennis> You don't have to look very hard to see that its Just a Bunch Of Packages™
21:48 < dennis> And yea, that is both a strength and a weakness :)
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22:29 < ke5c2fin> How do I get ECMP working with BGP routes? This part of the FAQ only mentions static routes https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Multipath
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