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02:24 < Tramtrist> Hello all.  Does anyone know if speaker support for Apple Silicon systems was completed as it is in the official AsahiLinux release?
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05:15 < skydoge> epony, happy new year retard
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09:30 < mesaoptimizer> https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2023-12-31-hardened-openbsd-workstation.html
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10:18 < meorly> I just bought a usb3 wifi dongle with realtek 88xx that doesnt seem to be supported, is this a fundamental limitation or just nobody implemented a driver?
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10:19 < avemestr> "doesn't seem to be supported" meaning it says "not configured" in dmesg?
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10:21 < meorly> it's detected as generic usb
10:21 < meorly> the chipset is rtl8812
10:24 < meorly> ok so looks like it has support in freebsd rtwn_usb, I assume it just needs to be ported
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10:41 < mesaoptimizer> okay how am I supposed to install a .tgz file?
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10:42 < sibiria> you're supposed to let the package manager download and install it for you
10:42 < mesaoptimizer> https://mkws.sh/mkws-openbsd.tgz is a binary
10:42 < mesaoptimizer> not available via pkg_info
10:43 < mesaoptimizer> oh. I'm supposed to say `pkg_add https://mkws.sh/mkws-openbsd.tgz`?
10:43 < mesaoptimizer> doesn't work either
10:43 < zyxer> mkws-openbsd or maybe just mkws?
10:44 < mesaoptimizer> nope, `pkg_info -Q mkws` gives no results, it isn't in the package manager
10:44 < phy1729> From reading the website seems it wants you to cul | tar. Have fun with that
10:45 < phy1729> curl*
10:45 < mesaoptimizer> wow that was dumb, I guess I just had to untar it and use the binary inside it
10:45 < mesaoptimizer> hmm. no. this does have a manpage inside
10:45 < sibiria> mesaoptimizer: cat blah.tgz | pkg_add -
10:46 < sibiria> or did they remove that
10:46 < sibiria> you may have to wrangle it by telling it that ./ is your installurl
10:46 < sibiria> along the lines of:  PKG_PATH=./ pkg_add blah.tgz
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10:53 < mesaoptimizer> sibiria: yeah, I get an error that "Can't find - / Couldn't install -"
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10:55 < sibiria> mesaoptimizer: what exactly did you write then?
10:55 < sibiria> try:  PKG_PATH=./ pkg_add -nv whateverthatthingisnamed.tgz
10:55 < sibiria> with the package in your cwd
10:55 < phy1729> don't think it's a package
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10:57 < mesaoptimizer> sibiria: `TRUSTED_PKG_PATH=./ doas pkg_add -nv mkws-openbsd` and `PKG_PATH=./ doas pkg_add -nv mkws-openbsd` do not work for `/tmp/mkws-openbsd@5.0.0.tgz`, while in `/tmp`
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11:04 < mesaoptimizer> as in, I get a "Can't find mkws-openbsd"
11:05 < sibiria> yeah the @ character doesn't align with openbsd's package version scheme
11:05 < sibiria> but
11:06 < sibiria> more the point is that it's not an openbsd package. it's just a compressed tar-ball
11:07 < mesaoptimizer> damn
11:07 < sibiria> so just unpack it and use it
11:08 < mesaoptimizer> this is somewhat depressing though, not having a way to check if something is a package or not. but yeah, I can just unpack and use it I guess
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11:34 < IcePic> mesaoptimizer: where did you get this .tgz?
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11:36 < mesaoptimizer> IcePic: https://mkws.sh/mkws-openbsd@5.0.0.tgz
11:39 < IcePic> mesaoptimizer: and you didn't think to try their documented way of installing it?
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11:41 < mesaoptimizer> IcePic: they don't have a documented way of installing it
11:42 < mesaoptimizer> IcePic: worse, their docs' basic test for the SSG (the "hello world" test) fails
11:42 < mesaoptimizer> my mistake was not testing the binary itself beforehand before trying to install it
11:43 < mesaoptimizer> if you look at the website, they only describe unpacking the tar file for Linux, nothing related to installation.
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11:48 < IcePic> https://mkws.sh/docs does contain some installation options
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11:48 < IcePic> I'm sure they would be happy to receive improvements for obsd though, since it seems like an afterthought
11:49 < IcePic> and distributing binaries is not the most optimal way I guess
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13:24 < SomeRandoUser> I have a UEFI PC with Windows and Linux installed, and I'm dual booting them with GRUB. I have an extra hard disk that I'd like to try out OpenBSD on. Is there anything special needed for OpenBSD to work with that multiboot setup?
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13:34 < Voyager_MP> what about lightdm slim and so on, are thay gone from openbsd ?
13:35 < Voyager_MP> I'm looking for a DM where I can select between a local X Session and a Xephyr
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13:39 < jonadab> SomeRandoUser: Assuming all the hardware is supported, it should be fine.  Grub does know how to find and boot BSD installs.  You might need to run something on the Linux side to get Grub to update its list of installed OSes, but BSD is no different from anything else it supports in that regard.
13:41 < jonadab> UEFI can be a hassle, but it doesn't care about the difference between Linux and BSD.  If it'll let you boot something that isn't Microsoft or Apple, you're good.
13:42 < sibiria> SomeRandoUser: nothing needs to be done with openbsd, but you will be fighting with grub
13:42 < sibiria> need to let it know where the openbsd efi bootloader is
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13:50 < SomeRandoUser> Since I'm installing it on a separate physical hard drive from the main one that has Windows and Linux, it needs its own EFI partition, right?
13:51 < IcePic> SomeRandoUser: yes, I would probably try installing it without the lin/win disk in at all and make that work
13:51 < IcePic> then move the other drive back and figure out how to select which disk to boot on in the various situations
13:51 < sibiria> i honestly don't know if it needs its own ESP or if the one grub boots from will suffice, before it "chains" onto the openbsd bootloader
13:51 < sibiria> but it's at least customary to always have an ESP on each discrete disk using GPT
13:52 < IcePic> sibiria: it does sound reasonable to act as if it is meant to be able to be run on its own, even if you can skip parts at times
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13:53 < SomeRandoUser> cool, thanks!
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14:01 < SomeRandoUser> GPT uses GUIDs for a reason to prevent things like that
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16:20 < SomeRandoUser> I've successfully installed OpenBSD on my second hard drive, but unfortunately, GRUB doesn't recognize it when I do update-grub in Linux. It does, however, boot when I select its drive in my computer's UEFI boot settings.
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16:21 < eea> grub sucks
16:21 < eea> heh
16:21 < SomeRandoUser> yeah I know.
16:21 < SomeRandoUser> I thought OpenBSD used cwm as the default window manager. Did it recently switch to fvwm?
16:22 < zyxer> It was always fvwm 
16:23 < zyxer> cwm still comes with base install if you checked the xorg set
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16:34 < SomeRandoUser> haha, glmark2 actually gets a better score in openbsd than linux on my intel igpu
16:38 < eea> linux requires special kernel flags for intel gpu
16:38 < eea> openbsd "just works"
16:39 < sibiria> i don't think that's true unless it's really old intel stuff, e.g. GMA950
16:40 < sibiria> modern stuff works out of the box on any linux desktop dist, too
16:41 < sibiria> but it's surprising to see openbsd has better rendering performance vs linux on, well, anything :)
16:41 < jonadab> Hmm, I used to multi-boot (Linux and) FreeBSD 5 with Grub, and it worked fine back then.  That was before UEFI though.
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16:43 < SomeRandoUser> same. I dual booted FreeBSD on my old laptop (legacy BIOS), and GRUB detected it without any hassle.
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16:43 < Bradipo> What's the state of TLS1.3 support in OpenBSD/LibreSSL?
16:44 < SomeRandoUser> I think this is really a GRUB problem than an OpenBSD problem.
16:44 < sibiria> Bradipo: it's supported
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16:45 < Bradipo> Hmm, well, I get this when connecting to a TLS enabled server: 566524922256:error:1400442E:SSL routines:CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO:tlsv1 alert proto
16:45 < Bradipo> col version:/usr/src/lib/libssl/tls13_lib.c:158:
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16:45 < Bradipo> sslscan shows that it has TLS1.3 enabled.  Shows 2 ciphers.
16:46 < Bradipo> I get that error both from curl and from openssl s_client.
16:51 < Bradipo> What's even more strange is that if I try to force curl to use TLSv1.2 with --tlsv1.2 the connection still fails with the CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO error.
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16:52 < Bradipo> I see that curl does negotiate 1.3 with my own server, so perhaps there is a problem with the server.
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16:59 < sibiria> it's -tls1_2
16:59 < sibiria> one hyphen
16:59 < Bradipo> Not according to the curl man page.
16:59 < sibiria> openssl s_client
17:00 < Bradipo> Oh, right, let me try that with openssl s_client.
17:00 < sibiria> openssl s_client -connect host:port -servername host -tls1_3
17:00 < Bradipo> That does work with openssl.  But --tlsv1.2 does not work with curl to force it.
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17:01 < sibiria> tls 1.2 is the odd one out. it was formally established but never really used. it's not entirely uncommon that servers have it disabled
17:01 < sibiria> intermediary "fix" between the leap to 1.3
17:01 < Bradipo> Interesting, when I try your command above, it fails with a different error.
17:01 < Bradipo> 11647738182032:error:1404E13F:SSL routines:ST_BEFORE_CONNECT:ssl3 ext invalid servername:/usr/src/lib/libssl/s3_lib.c:1839:
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17:02 < Bradipo> Hmm, I had to set the servername to a DNS name.
17:03 < Bradipo> Still fails though with: CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO
17:03 < sibiria> yes, like i wrote. it's to get SNI
17:04 < sibiria> maybe your server's handshake or cipher suite is broken
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17:04 < Bradipo> That's kind of what I think.
17:04 < Bradipo> But Firefox does connect.
17:04 < sibiria> libressl evidently has tls1.3 support
17:04 < Bradipo> Not sure if it did TLS1.3 though.
17:04 < sibiria> you'll see:
17:04 < sibiria> SSL-Session: Protocol  : TLSv1.3 Cipher    : TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256
17:04 < Bradipo> Yes, I confirmed that TLS1.3 works by hitting my own web server.
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17:05 < Bradipo> Though mine negotiated TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
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18:41 < SomeRandoUser> How do I get startx to work as a non-root user?
18:41 < SomeRandoUser> I get an error saying xf86OpenConsole: no console drivers found
18:42 < SomeRandoUser> xenodm works fine, but I can't startx
18:45 < phy1729> I've been using xinit, but pretty sure both are unsupported and could break
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18:49 < IcePic> x11 is meant to be started using xenodm, so it can drop privs fine without too much of the X11 startup programs being suid root
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19:11 < [0x1eef]> I use startx. Why can't you use it?
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19:13 < [0x1eef]> 'rcctl start xenodm' should work too, and more or less equivalent (minus the login screen).
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19:23 < [0x1eef]> IcePic: Good point. Going to use 'rcctl -f start xenodm' from now on.
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19:45 < aloredia> hi
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19:46 < aloredia> I'm getting an error while installing, and I couldn't find the error online. Can somebody help me?
19:46 < Bradipo> Just ask your question.
19:46 < aloredia> installboot: mkdir('t')
19:46 < Bradipo> That's the error you're getting?
19:46 < aloredia> Nope
19:46 < aloredia> Premature enter
19:46 < aloredia> sorry
19:46 < Bradipo> What version of OpenBSD?
19:47 < aloredia> 7.4 amd64
19:48 < aloredia> installboot: mkdir('/tmp/installbootMxdYRghQ4L/efi/BOOT') failed: Not a directory
19:48 < aloredia> Failed to install bootblocks
19:48 < aloredia> This is the error
19:48 < Bradipo> Does /tmp/installbootMxdYRghQ4L exist?
19:49 < aloredia> I don't know, but I assumed it's the installation medium
19:49 < Bradipo> Well, can you drop to a shell and see?
19:50 < aloredia> It's not in a VM, but I can reproduce it in 5 minutes or so
19:50 < aloredia> And return here
19:50 < phy1729> weird that that'd fail when it just created the efi dir
19:50 < Bradipo> During the installation, you can type ! at any prompt and get a shell.
19:51 < phy1729> looks like usr.sbin/installboot/efi_installboot.c around 270
19:51 < Bradipo> Hmm, seems I need to update my /usr/src...
19:53 < ivdsangen> if there it fails to create a directory, then a previous mkdir failed i guess
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19:58 < phy1729> but that should have errored
20:00 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. As root, I am getting a cron error for a specific command. The error is "/bin/sh: no closing quote". The cron command is: 0       1       1       *       *       mkdir -p -- /backup/$(date +%Y-%m-%d); cp -a /var/www/nc/{config,themes,data} /backup/$(date +%Y-%m-%d);
20:00 < dfdx> i've tested this command as root using shell "sh". Is there any obvious reason why it keeps faililng in cron?
20:01 < Bradipo> No closing quote... that's interesting, considering you have none.
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20:02 < aloredia> So I reproduced the error, but no directory that starts with installboot.MxdY... under tmp
20:02 < thrig> man 5 crontab and pay attention to "%"
20:02 < dfdx> thrig: thanks, i'll take a look.
20:02 < Bradipo> I was about to say... look at %
20:02 < thrig> or, don't put shell code into crontab, put a file to run
20:03 < dfdx> Percent signs (`%') in the command, unless escaped with a backslash (`\'), will be changed into newline characters, and all data after the first `%' will be sent to the command as standard input.
20:03 < dfdx> there we go. thanks again.
20:04 < thrig> another bonus of a file elsewhere is it can be run and tested without a crontab entry
20:05  * Bradipo wonders if anyone actually utilizes the "all data after the first `%' will be sent to the command as standard input."?
20:05 < dfdx> yeah, bizarre.
20:05 < Bradipo> So the cronjob will be run with a static string of standard input everytime?
20:06 < thrig> probably somebody did in whenever Paul Vixie wrote cron
20:06 < thrig> e.g. maybe they had an ed script that needed stdin wired up somehow
20:06 < Bradipo> Possibly.
20:06 < thrig> ... instead of doing the sensible thing of just calling an external script with all that jazz
20:07 < Bradipo> Yeah, I haven't ever put a naked script in crontab, always a script with a covering.
20:07 < aloredia> What are the reasons for installboot to fail
20:08 < Bradipo> Well, I've never seen this particular failure with installboot, so you're going to have to investigate.
20:08 < Bradipo> Find out what about your environment is different from everywhere else that it succeeds. :-)
20:08 < Bradipo> Is this a VM that you're installing to?
20:09 < Bradipo> Is there a dmesg from the installer somewhere that can be looked at?
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20:10 < aloredia> This is bare metal, I'm installing to a completely free nvme ssd, I wrote install74.img via dd to a flash drive, I'm installing the filesets via disk
20:10 < dfdx> I have another question. I am running a nextcloud server and the user who manages this all is "www". User www does not have a home directory. One of the nextcloud php plugins I use needs to use the program "pageres", which needs to be installed via npm. What user should I install this as? Since there is no /home/www/.npmrc, would that lead to problems? 
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20:12 < thrig> www being able to write to files sounds like not so great security
20:13 < Bradipo> I have a gallery script that I wrote that writes to files...
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20:13 < Bradipo> It's chrooted in /var/www of course.
20:15 < Bradipo> aloredia: If you login to the shell, do you have enough disk space in the ramdisk for whatever it's trying to do?
20:15 < dfdx> maybe I can just npm install as root.
20:16 < thrig> maybe have a npm user and then ensure www can read the necessary
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20:17 < aloredia> Bradipo: How do I tell if I have enough space in the ramdisk
20:17 < Bradipo> The utually culprits on Unix... df, du, ls, etc..
20:18 < Bradipo> s/utually/usual/
20:18 < Bradipo> Also, I'm not 100% certain since I haven't looked at the code...
20:19 < Bradipo> But my guess is that it's not actually the ramdisk that matters at this point.
20:19 < Bradipo> installboot is probably run from within the chroot on the newly formatted disk/partition.
20:19 < Bradipo> In which case you probably need to see if /mnt/tmp/installXXX exists.
20:22 < aloredia> I didn't think to check /mnt
20:22 < aloredia> Thank you
20:22 < Bradipo> Well, I did tell you to check /tmp/installbootXXX.
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20:23 < ivdsangen> you would have to look at it after the failure i think, see what directories are created and what not (is this possible in the installer?)
20:24 < Bradipo> Yes, it's possible in the installer.
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20:29 < ivdsangen> sometimes hard to imagine how code that has been stable suddenly errors
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20:34 < Bradipo> Well, I've installed 7.4 amd64 to bare metal hardware without issue.
20:34 < Bradipo> But I didn't use EFI I don't think.
20:35 < ivdsangen> i have been upgrading snapshots for a couple of years now, also without many issues
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20:42 < svragv> Hello, this is hard to explain: I don't have IPv6 connection at home but I have a friend who provides me with a WireGuard /56 IPv6 range for any use. And I'm configuring the openbsd machine as router so I can have IPv6 at home. I have configured rad for the slaac server. Other machines get IPv6s from that slaac server but are unable to receive packages (packages are sent, according to tcpdump in
20:42 < svragv> other servers outside the network). I have IPv6 forwarding enabled and. Does somebody know what I'm missing here?
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20:46 < Bradipo> packets are sent from where to where?
20:46 < Bradipo> First, can you ping6 your OpenBSD from your clients?
20:46 < svragv> update: i did not realize wg0 interface (the one making the  tunel) was not in the eggress group. I changed the pf.conf config and now i'm getting "Destination unreachable: Beyond scope of source address"
20:46 < svragv> Bradipo: Yes, I can
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20:54 < Bradipo> When you ping6 from a client to a "remote" IPv6 destination address, do you see the packet on the OpenBSD gateway?
20:54 < Bradipo> Do you see the packet get sent to the wg interface (or does it go through enc0)?
20:55 < Bradipo> Oh, looks like enc(4) is for ipsec traffic, not wg.
20:56 < svragv> Bradipo: No. but i see the router sending packets to the local address (fe80::)
20:56 < Bradipo> So your IPv6 clients are not sending to a "default route"?
20:57 < svragv> It is. I think
20:57 < svragv> default via fe80::227:13ff:fe66:8721 dev wlan0 metric 1024 pref mediump
20:57 < svragv> I have that
20:57 < Bradipo> And fe80::227:13ff:fe66:8721 is your OpenBSD interface?
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20:58 < svragv> Yes
20:58 < svragv> I can ssh to it
21:00 < dfdx> < thrig> maybe have a npm user and then ensure www can read the necessary
21:00 < dfdx> just for the heck of it I tried doing this. I created a "nodejs" user and installed, via npm, some programs.
21:01 < Bradipo> svragv: When you try to ping6 2607:f8b0:4025:802::200e do you see the packets arrive on OpenBSD's interface (fe80::227:13ff:fe66:8721)?
21:01 < dfdx> but now how do I update www's PATH? Normally, I would edit a user's ~/.kshrc or ~/.bashrc, but how do I do this with www?
21:02 < svragv> Bradipo: I thinkso: 22:02:47.653602 2605:6400:c022:e000::1 > fe80::52c2:e8ff:fe72:9327: icmp6: slc09s01-in-x0e.1e100.net beyond scope of source address fe80::52c2:e8ff:fe72:9327
21:03 < svragv> Hmmm. I get network is unreacheable when I try to ping my client from the openbsd
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21:05 < IcePic> fe80 is a link local, that should not be usable except on the local ethernet
21:06 < svragv> IcePic: They are in the local ethernet
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21:07 < thrig> the environment for various webby things can be set in various ways not involving a shell
21:08 < dfdx> right now, all my nodejs stuff is in /home/nodejs/node_modules/. I guess I need user www to somehow know about them.
21:09 < svragv> Bradipo: Yeah I can see the packets now both in wg0 and em0 coming from the addresses
21:09 < dfdx> $ doas -u www echo "$PATH" doesn't seem to give me www's path, but rather the original user's (i.e., prior the doas) PATH. :| 
21:09 < mischief> because quoting
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21:10 < thrig> for example, login.conf has "setenv", or some webby thing could make a setenv call somehow, etc
21:10 < thrig> no icky shell involved
21:11 < SomeRandoUser> Does OpenBSD support HDMI audio?
21:12 < svragv> https://ss.suragu.net/f/vsrg2/ping.txt
21:13 < sibiria> SomeRandoUser: no
21:15 < SomeRandoUser> ugh such a basic feature
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21:20 < dfdx> # su www -c 'echo $PATH'    
21:20 < dfdx> This account is currently not available.
21:20 < dfdx> :(
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21:22 < zelest> sibiria, SomeRandoUser, well, it does.. but it doesn't. It's disabled to avoid HDMI from being the default output and therefore turning most machines quiet.
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21:23 < zelest> https://marc.info/?t=169858769000002&r=1&w=2
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21:24 < SomeRandoUser> Why would that be a problem? Couldn't it just default to non-HDMI, while still allowing the user to select HDMI?
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21:25 < zelest> Afaik, it has to do with which audio device is detected first and that's aparently not as easy as it sounds.
21:25 < zelest> At least not to have reliable.
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21:42 < SomeRandoUser> hmm Wi-Fi seems to stay connected for about an hour then mysteriously loses connection. Running "ifconfig run0 down; ifconfig run0 up" seems to fix it.
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22:09 < avemestr> SomeRandoUser: The likelihood of somebody giving tips will probably increase if you tell which device and/or driver you're using for wifi.
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22:35 < Bradipo> avemestr: It's run.
22:35 < Bradipo> Specifically, look at run(4).
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22:40 < kucha> hi. are mailing list archives available for download (mbox) somewhere? want to import into notmuch for local search and not depend on marc.info
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22:41 < Bradipo> kucha: The mailing lists are majordomo managed mailinglists.
22:42 < Bradipo> You might see if majordomo has a way to request archives.
22:43 < Bradipo> https://lists.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr
22:48 < kucha> Bradipo, just checked and couldn't find it. it keeps archives and lets to check each individual message via www (akin mailman and marc) 
22:49 < kucha> i remember our instance of mailman didn't have a link in web ui, but there was a secret url that would get you an mbox though
22:49 < Bradipo> I just sent you a link that should get you what you want.
22:49 < Bradipo> I don't know about mbox, but you should be able to find any number of tools that will explode messages into whatever format you want.
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22:55 < kucha> Bradipo, sorry-- by "just checked" i meant "checked the majordomo web page"
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22:55 < Bradipo> Right, check the link I sent you above, specifically focus your attention on "commands" and specifically, "archive".
22:56 < kucha> there are email commands "archive-get-immediate" and "archive-get" to retrieve archived messages
22:57 < kucha> that's a hell of a lot of emails to email this way )-:
22:57 < Bradipo> Well, you can request ranges.
22:58 < Bradipo> I don't know for certain, bu t I suspect that it will send a single email message with all desired emails that match the criteria as message/rfc822 attachments.
22:58 < kucha> i would have to, yeah. i'll pass for now then. thanks Bradipo 
22:59 < kucha> Bradipo, it seems what the -immediate version does
22:59 < kucha> > When the archive-get-immediate command is used, all of the messages that are retrieved will be sent within one message, exactly as they are stored in the archive, with all message headers intact
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23:00 < Bradipo> Then you just need a tool that will extract each message and add it to your mbox.
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23:00 < thrig> >From russia with love
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23:01 < Bradipo> Or, why not just go straight from the message into notmuch.
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23:02 < SomeRandoUser> Is there some way to have my .profile sourced by xenodm when logging in?
23:03 < uwharrie> source it from ~/.xsession
23:04 < SomeRandoUser> It fails to log in if I do that for some reason
23:04 < SomeRandoUser> nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession errors
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23:05 < uwharrie> sounds like you've got either syntax or logical errors in it then
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23:06 < uwharrie> mine looks something like: . ~/.profile\nsetkxbmap...\nxidle...\nxrdb...\nexec cwm\n
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23:08 < Bradipo> Haha, I learned something today...
23:08 < Bradipo> Never heard of xidle.
23:08 < thrig> get back to work!
23:08 < Bradipo> With xidle, I don't have to install xautolock from packages.
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23:09 < thrig> xkcd://1053
23:10 < sibiria> fake news. not a real protocol
23:11 < thrig> all my browsers support it
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23:18 < Bradipo> duckduckgo figures it out.
23:19 < sibiria> they're in on it, too
23:19 < Bradipo> Hmm, the one thing that xidle is missing is a wayt to specify that a certain corner causes idle events to be ignored.
23:19 < sibiria> it's exactly what they want you to believe
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23:20 < Bradipo> with xautolock, I can specify one corner to activate the locker, and one corner to never lock on timeout.
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23:21 < Bradipo> e.g. perhaps I'm watching a video and don't want to have to keep moving my mouse to avoid the screensaver from locking.
23:21 < thrig> probably why someone wrote autolock instead of rolling with xidle
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23:21 < Bradipo> Well, from the man page, it seems that xlock was written by an OpenBSD dev to avoid installing xautolock. :-)
23:21 < Bradipo> s/xlock/xidle/
23:22 < Bradipo> "The xidle program was written by XXX <XXX@openbsd.org> as an xautolock replacement."
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