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00:39 < TommyC> style(9) question: when should one prefer an extern declaration of a variable instead of a #define NAME value?
00:43 < thrig> those seem like different things to me?
00:45 < TommyC> thrig: How so? When comparing equality to say, a number, I can't really think of how either one of them is significantly different from each other.
00:48 < tobiasu> that makes no sense, provide an example
00:49 < Lucas6023> TommyC: NAME is static. A variable is, well, variable.
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00:56 < TommyC> ah, you're right, I was having a brain fart
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01:15 < sibiria> often the compiler will (for better or for worse) optimize a lot of those cases into the same thing
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01:16 < TommyC> if it was const extern, then there's practically no difference, right?
01:17 < phy1729> It might only be const for you
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01:19 < TommyC> phy1729: I don't quite understand.
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01:20 < phy1729> I think there are places where the symbol in the header is const, but it has to be set at runtime, so one file has non-const access to it
01:21 < phy1729> iirc __progname does this (but you should use getprogname anyway)
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01:22 < Lucas6023> I don't believe it should be the case, as that breaks the contract
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01:23 < phy1729> It's been a while since I looked at it
01:24 < phy1729> but there are extern const char *__progname; s around the tree
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01:30 < TommyC> phy1729: ty
01:30 < Lucas6023> that's the case and I don't know how much defined is
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01:30 < Lucas6023> it's 3 out of 132 tho
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01:35 < phy1729> Ideally it'd be 0 out of <small number> and everything use getprogname(), but churn
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02:32 < PyR3X> I making my first port -- is there a quick and easy way to generate distinfo? I've been sha256 file.tar.gz and then ls -l to get SIZE but seems like there might be a shortcut?
02:33 < phy1729> make makesum
02:33 < phy1729> it'd be helpful to follow the steps in the porters guide if you aren't already
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02:34 < phy1729> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html
02:35 < phy1729> make makesum is step 6
02:36 < phy1729> Though doesn't seem to be updated for DIST_TUPLE yet
02:36 < PyR3X> I read it through once and then was just copying another i'll circle back
02:36 < phy1729> I'd start from  ports/infrastructure/templates/Makefile.template
02:38 < PyR3X> I saw that i'll check it out again
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02:41 < PyR3X> I was copying one based on the new GH_* stuff maybe I should just use DISTNAME and SITES
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02:42 < phy1729> it depends on if it has a real tarball or just an autogenerated one
02:43 < phy1729> the template and guide explain this
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03:30 < PyR3X> I think I'm about there
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03:31 < PyR3X> I feel like my do-install: is doing way too much though that macros can probably handle like creating /var/myprog, extracting the tar into it, etc
03:31 < PyR3X> but it works
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04:15 < rahl> When a ports package might have a dev build, is there a "normal" way to know if this is the case or not?
04:16 < rahl> Currently, I'm trying to determine this for znc
04:17 < rahl> Does obsd maybe do similar to arch linux, where the devel build is the defacto (IIRC)?
04:18 < rahl> s/obsd/the obsd community of port maintainers/
04:19 < phy1729> Do you mean building from a project's HEAD or something like that?
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04:43 < rahl> phy1729: Not in this case. Some packages have a couple of versions. In the case of znc, there's the main package, then also (potentially) znc-devel, which may have additional tools
04:44 < rahl> It's fine though; I believe the tool in question for znc is znc-buildmod, which is installed as part of the znc port.
04:45 < rahl> I just wondered if there was a known stance on this, so-to-speak
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05:42 < pr-asadi> Greetings people. I have recently upgraded to amd64 7.4. I did execute `pkg_add -u` to upgrade my packages. It asked some Yes/No questions, it was about a dependency, a GTK lib/dependency. I cannot remember the exact information.
05:43 < pr-asadi> And I am executing `pkg_add -u` now, but redeclipse does not let pkg_add(8) to check other packages.
05:44 < pr-asadi> the pkg_add(8) output: https://bsd.to/Adnc
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05:44 < pr-asadi> pkg_add(1)*, not pkg_add(8).
05:50 < phy1729> Why are you using -D dontmerge?
05:52 < pr-asadi> phy1729: I thought it would help. 
05:53 < pr-asadi> I tried without '-D dontmerge', did not work.
05:53 < pr-asadi> Gave me the same result.
05:54 < phy1729> Are you on snapshot?
05:54 < pr-asadi> No, I am not.
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05:59 < phy1729> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/commit/26e616faa7304b0dd69f96c8c747e6fc9395c066
06:00 < pr-asadi> phy1729: Well, can I ignore it? To make pkg_add(1) check the other packages? That's what I have been willing to do.
06:01 < phy1729> It did
06:02 < pr-asadi> It did? There must be another packages after redeclipse.
06:02 < pr-asadi> Did it not break the process because of redeclipse update issue?
06:02 < phy1729> No
06:03 < pr-asadi> So, it checked all the packages, and showed me the broken package in the end?
06:04 < brynet> It's telling you there are no updates for the two packages you had installed, because there are none in 7.4. It was marked broken.
06:05 < pr-asadi> brynet: I understand this, I just wanted to make sure pkg_add(1) did not break the checking process because of unavailable update of redeclipse.
06:06 < brynet> not unless you interrupted it
06:06 < pr-asadi> No, I did not.
06:06 < pr-asadi> Thank you all for your time.
06:06 < brynet> then it's fine, just warning.
06:07 < pr-asadi> And one more question, I cannot redirect the STDIN and STDOUT to a file on my shell. 
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06:08 < pr-asadi> For example: "(pkg_delete -n -a > stdout) >& stderr)".
06:08 < pr-asadi> I am using tcsh.
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06:09 < pr-asadi> I cannot see the results in both stdout and stderr file.
06:09 < thrig> csh is crappy about fd handling
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06:30 < fettuccine> hi. im kind of afraid to ask but is there an npm package?
06:31 < fettuccine> tried searching for it with pkg_info
06:34 < fettuccine> wait nvm it comes with nodejs. my bad
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07:19 < Kazinator> I have a quickie. Does the malloc on OpenBSD use a DFDFDFDF... byte pattern for freed memory? I'm seeing a bad pointer pointing to such.
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07:30 < brynet> Kazinator: https://man.openbsd.org/malloc#j
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07:38 < Kazinator> brynet: thanks.
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10:40 < pr-asadi> thrig: csh is crappy about... -> Yes, it is. But sh(1) itself could not redirect it.
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15:03 < falsifian> pr-asadi: Might be a quirk of pkg_*. With pkg_add at least, I remember being unsuccessful in redirecting its output. Probably it behaves differently depending on whether it's writing to a terminal.
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15:05 < falsifian> Maybe you can use script(1), or a tool that redirects via a pty.
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17:01 < PyR3X> if building a port for a java program, if I want to copy the extracted contents of the tar.gz (WRKDIST) to /var/progname what is the right thing to do in do-install? I assume mkdir /var/progname && cp -R ${WRKDIST}/* /var/progname is not the right way
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17:04 < thrig> binaries and whatnot often end up under /usr/local
17:07 < sibiria> and in the olde days (c) solaris, /opt was a common path for site stuff
17:08 < emmanuelux> hello i see 4 process sofnet0 .. softnet3, only softnet0 use CPU time, what make softnet1 .. softnet3 use cpu ?
17:08 < thrig> or cargo cult from an existing java port thing
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18:26 < Belzebuth> Hello, Where do I set my prompt, please?
18:27 < thrig> .kshrc is common, but that depends on the shell and environment variables
18:29 < Belzebuth> I managed to get it right. My .kshrc had /etc/ksh.kshrc included and it was doing a count on the commands I make, and it was annoying me!
18:30 < Belzebuth> thanks
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19:04 < sibiria> Belzebuth: .profile
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19:10 < Belzebuth> sibiria, in .profile, I inserted 'export ENV=$HOME/.kshrc'
19:10 < sibiria> ksh reads .profile on its own. no need to delegate it to one more file
19:11 < sibiria> you can alter PS1 directly in .profile
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19:34 < typicat> :q
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19:56 < rynn> Am I missing something really obvious? I want to set up fingerd, but it doesn't appear to be in the system, not found in pkg_info, and a ports search didn't turn up anything.
19:57 < rynn> But `man fingerd` does bring up the man page
19:57 < phy1729> Think that'd be run from inetd
19:57 < phy1729> yup   "fingerd is started by inetd(8)"
19:58 < rynn> Right, but don't I need to point inetd at the actual binary?
19:59 < phy1729> yes in inetd.conf, see /etc/examples/inetd.conf
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20:00 < phy1729> oddly the docs for inetd.conf are in inetd(8). Guess it is fairly old and mostly unused
20:00 < rynn> Oh, it's under /usr/libexec
20:01 < rynn> Mystery solved, thanks
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20:01 < thrig> fingerd is problematic and does not timeout connections
20:05 < rynn> I'm setting up a smolweb server, so trying to get gemini, gopher, and finger set up on it.
20:06 < rynn> Just for fun and learning about OpenBSD in the process
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20:06 < thrig> gemini://thrig.me/tech/openbsd/fingerd.gmi
20:06 < rynn> Well, and server admin type stuff
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20:38 < rynn> thrig: I thought that named looked familiar, thanks for the resource
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21:32 < PyR3X> in a port Makefile is there a way to tell it to extract the contents of the tar.gz to a subdirectory? i.e. sample-1.0.0.tar.gz does not have a top level directory so it exracts the contents directly in $WRKDIST and my do-install then gets in a loop when copying files using '.'
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23:03 < byteskeptical> PyR3X: look into DISTFILES
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