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07:03 < dev1ls> hi fellas
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07:05 < dev1ls> somebody can suport me woth my suspent 
07:05 < dev1ls> i close de lid and its not working
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07:23 < rnkn> having reached peak frustration, if I wanna blow away all manually installed perl modules, can I just rm -rf /usr/local/libdata/perl5 and /usr/local/man/man3p ?
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07:36 < thyssentishman> rnkn: you could do pkg_info -m > perl_modules
07:37 < thyssentishman> scratch that
07:37 < rnkn> thyssentishman: these are modules installed via cpan
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07:37 < rnkn> pkgs doesn
07:37 < rnkn> 't have carton , for e.g.
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07:46 < thyssentishman> rnkn: I see... in that case I'm not sure
07:47 < thyssentishman> but you may wanna look into portgen for installing Perl modules in the future
07:47 < thyssentishman> https://man.openbsd.org/portgen.1
07:47 < rnkn> I guess I just wanna know if the OS keeps anything under /usr/local
07:47 < thyssentishman> that way you can manage them directly with pkg_*
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07:47 < IcePic> rnkn: no, nothing apart from the things you install as ports/packages
07:47 < rnkn> oh interesting
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07:48 < rnkn> (portgen)
07:48 < IcePic> openbsd does specifically avoid looking inside usr/local while compiling system things 
07:48 < rnkn> okay, gonna blow it away
07:48 < rnkn> wish me luck
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07:48 < rnkn> (and use portgen)
07:49 < thyssentishman> hmm I thought it was possible to pass a filename with package names to pkg_delete like with pkg_add -l <file> but it doesn't seem like it
07:50 < IcePic> thyssentishman: what would pkg_delete do with that file?
07:50 < thyssentishman> delete all packages listed there
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07:51 < IcePic> oh, misread your sentence, I thought you were giving it a list of package names that existed as files. my bad
07:52 < IcePic> xargs < list-of-pkgs |pkg_delete
07:52 < IcePic> no, not good
07:52 < IcePic> xargs < list-of-pkgs pkg_delete
07:52 < IcePic> too early in the morning here
07:52 < thyssentishman> IcePic: but I guess you could mark them as automatically installed with pkg_add -aal <file> and then do pkg_delete -a
07:52 < thyssentishman> yeah or with xargs
07:52 < thyssentishman> too early here too....
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07:55 < IcePic> And while xargs would work, my muscle memory would probably just go "for i in $(cat list) ; do pkg_delete $i ; done" as I do with so many other tasks
07:55 < thyssentishman> yeah I would probably think of that first too
07:56 < thyssentishman> too lazy for xargs haha
07:57 < rnkn> why would I not have the portgen utility?
07:57 < rnkn> find / -name portgen => nope
07:57 < rnkn> but I do have the portgen.1 page
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08:00 < IcePic>  /usr/ports/infrastructure/bin/portgen 
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08:01 < rnkn> oh man, I gotta install the ports tree
08:02 < rnkn> fiddlesticks
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08:25 < rnkn> ports checking out successfully... I love it when things work
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08:28 < rnkn> perhaps a silly question, but once portgen converts a cpan module into a port, how should I install it?
08:28 < rnkn> to keep it all managed with pkg_*
08:30 < IcePic> when you build a port, a pkg is created
08:30 < IcePic> even "make install" in a port will end up running pkg_add on the newly built pkg
08:30 < IcePic> other dists/BSDs might make a different between ports and packages, but obsd doesn't
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08:59 < rnkn> I'm getting this error: https://0x0.st/H0rL.txt
09:00 < rnkn> that's when trying to install the p5-Carton pkg
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09:05 < rnkn> just deleted it and tried again and -- it worked!
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09:07 < rnkn> did I mention how I love when things work?
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09:18 < rnkn> okay progress.. what should I read if I want a non-root process to bind to ports 80/443?
09:19 < sibiria> it can't. it needs superuser privs to do that
09:19 < sibiria> so you will need to bind when having such, then drop privs
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09:22 < rnkn> fiddlesticks
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09:33 < rnkn> okay so I have this perl web server called hypnotoad, and I want to run hypnotoad as user www chroot'd in /var/www as an rc service, but I'd like to bind to ports 80/443... what do I read to grok this?
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09:34 < rnkn> stumbling blocks so far: can't bind to 80/443, and running in the chroot says I'm missing a .so despite checking several thousand time that I'm not
09:35 < rnkn> joy
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09:40 < IcePic> perhaps you need the ld.so in there also to help load dynlibs?
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09:41 < IcePic> can't bind to ports would either be that they are already listened on, or that you are not root and hence can not bind to ports under 1024
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09:44 < rnkn> ld.so is in there, still no dice
09:46 < rnkn> I even did a ktrace then grep'd NAMI and checked all the paths
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09:47 < pardis> have you run ldconfig? sometimes a stale hints file can get in the way of finding shared libs
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09:48 < pardis> and being unable to bind to those ports as user www is expected on any Unix system
09:49 < pardis> also, it could be helpful to mention what the results were of checking ktrace, rather than just mentioning that you did so
09:50 < dlg> you need root privs to bind to ports <1024
09:51 < CosmicDJ> you could use pf to redirect ports if your web server doesn't support running as root and dropping privs after binding
09:51 < IcePic> CosmicDJ: yes, that is a good idea when possible
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09:57 < rnkn> okay ldconfig didn't help, but now I'm getting "Cannot load specified object"
09:57 < rnkn> weird, gonna try rm and reinstall
09:59 < IcePic> looking at that NAMI would perhaps help?
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10:02 < betabug> for the port, isn't that what relayd should do?
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10:12 < pardis> relayd is overkill for just forwarding a port
10:13 < pardis> pf is quite capable of that on its own
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10:16 < rnkn> I think I'm getting somewhere, this is what happens when I run pg_config
10:16 < rnkn> ld.so: pg_config: can't load library 'libxml2.so.19.0'
10:17 < rnkn> find / -name libxml2.so.19.0 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.19.0
10:17 < rnkn> hrmm
10:18 < rnkn> ldd /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.19.0 => Cannot load specified object /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.19.0: exit status 1
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10:21 < rnkn> I think something is broken with my postgresql install
10:25 < rnkn> errors when running pkg_delete..
10:25 < rnkn> xmlcatalog: can't load library 'liblzma.so.2.2'
10:25 < rnkn> xmlcatalog: can't load library 'libiconv.so.7.1'
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10:30 < oldlaptop> rnkn: probably want a pkg_check(8) run
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10:37 < rnkn> oldlaptop: good idea, thanks
10:38 < rnkn> I rebooted and no things are working... carton install works, ldd works
10:39 < rnkn> this is the backtrace when I try to run hypnotoad in chroot: https://0x0.st/H0si.txt
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10:40 < rnkn> here's the ldd output for that .so: https://0x0.st/H0so.txt
10:41 < rnkn> these are all in the chroot in their correct paths
10:41 < IcePic> ldd run outside of the chroot will pick up sub-libs from outside
10:41 < IcePic> but that hypnotoad perl output, how does "ls -l" for all those paths look like inside the chroot ?
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10:42 < rnkn> well ls -l will just say ls is not found
10:42 < IcePic> sounds like a solvable problem
10:42 < rnkn> so next step is copy ldd and friends inside the chroot?
10:43 < rnkn> haha
10:43 < IcePic> it is one possible step towards the goal
10:43 < rnkn> I did do this before but I can't remember what it returned, brb
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10:46 < rnkn> okay so ldd from within the chroot gives:
10:46 < rnkn> /htdocs/blip.town/local/lib/perl5/amd64-openbsd/auto/DBD/Pg/Pg.so: exit status 1
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10:52 < rnkn> Cannot load specified object
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10:55 < rnkn> but lddd does work on that .so when run outside the chroot, so one must assume a missing lib is the problem..... but what
10:55 < sibiria> why doesn't it chroot on its own after firing up?
10:55 < sibiria> rhetorical question. obviously the application is sub-par
10:56 < IcePic> sub-perl
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10:57 < sibiria> it's like 2 lines of code in perl for it to drop privs and jail itself
10:58 < pardis> preferably in the other order
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10:58 < sibiria> rnkn: maybe try dancer2 instead?
10:59 < sibiria> unless your thing absolutely needs "hypnotoad"
10:59 < rnkn> it's written in Mojolicious, too late to turn back now!
11:00 < pardis> could always just modify hypnotoad to chroot itself
11:00 < rnkn> yeah hypnotoad is just a perl script, I'm sure it's possible, but that's not gonna fix this Pg.so missing lib
11:01 < rnkn> I've also tried patchelf to set the $ORIGIN or something (chatGPT told me to)
11:01 < rnkn> no dice
11:02 < IcePic> oh please
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11:06 < rnkn> I mean, even if I augment hypnotoad to chroot itself, the app still needs Postgres
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11:07 < op2> rnkn: it's quite easy to tell postgres to install a socket in the chroot.  see unix_socket_directories in postgresql.conf
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11:08 < rnkn> op2: what I mean is that this missing shared library is still gonna be a dealbreaker for chrooting at all
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11:08 < sibiria> do you absolutely need UNIX auth for DB connectivity? why not settle for localhost-only tcp?
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11:09 < rnkn> me?
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11:09 < sibiria> yes, in regards to the UNIX socket to reach your postgres setup
11:10 < rnkn> it's not a unix socket issue, it's that the Pg.so is missing a shared lib somewhere mysterious outside the chroot
11:10 < sibiria> you have DBD-PgSql installed, i presume?
11:10 < sibiria> or DBD:Pg or whatever it's called
11:10 < sibiria> for DBI
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11:11 < rnkn> yes, the .so is part of DBD::Pg
11:11 < rnkn> that's the .so causing the problem preventing chroot
11:11 < sibiria> and it'll likely be in /usr/local/libdata/perl5/site_perl/blah
11:12 < sibiria> have you replicated the path in your jail?
11:12 < rnkn> it's installed via carton
11:12 < rnkn> yes
11:12 < sibiria> did you run ktrace on the thing to see where it's trying to read stuff from?
11:12 < rnkn> yes, albeit no chroot'd
11:13 < rnkn> next step ktrace in chroot?
11:13 < sibiria> i'd say so
11:13 < rnkn> okay cool, brb
11:13 < sibiria> it sure sounds like a path misalignment
11:15 < IcePic> a few ls -l's could perhaps help
11:15 < sibiria> or "find" at the root of the tree and see what's what
11:15 < sibiria> "find /htdocs"
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11:18 < rnkn> okay here's the ktrace.txt from running inside the chroot: https://0x0.st/H0sA.txt
11:18 < rnkn> anything specific I should be looking for?
11:22 < sibiria> at a glance it looks like everything is in place. but i wonder, why is "usr" not the first component in the path?
11:23 < rnkn> where?
11:24 < sibiria> "/htdocs/blip.town/local/lib ..."  <-  there
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11:25 < sibiria> i'd also run the thing via the perl debugger and step through to see what it does just before it croaks
11:25 < rnkn> I'm using a dependency bundler called carton, which installs everything into inside the app's directory
11:25 < sibiria> just to get an idea of what the higher level of the application is saying/trying
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11:31 < sibiria> and maybe try duplicating/moving stuff into usr/ path
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11:38 < rnkn> the perl debugger doesn't wanna work in the chroot, it doesn't understand the tty
11:38 < rnkn> running it outside the chroot doesn't say much, it just starts up successfully
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12:16 < rnkn> thanks sibiria, IcePic for all your help, I need to get to bed, the solution remain elusive
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14:50 < a1fa> good day y'all
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14:50 < a1fa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INXBx33UQ_U
14:51 < a1fa> Does anyone recognize the xterm font Rafael uses?
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14:53 < a1fa> i also dig this tmux settings. too bad he does not publicize his .dot files
14:54 < dennis> Have you tried asking him? :)
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14:56 < a1fa> i have not
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14:56 < a1fa> rafael: it's me... is that you
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14:58 < a1fa> His UI scaling is great too
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14:59 < dennis> seems better and easier than "hey peeps, does anyone recognize this font from this video?" :)
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15:00 < dennis> not trying to criticize the question, I genuinely think asking directly is the easiest approach
15:00 < dennis> maybe you can get the tmux-config then as well
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15:02 < dennis> Oh wow. there's a rafael in the channel. I thought you were being sarcastic. I'll show myself out.
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15:25 < a1fa> dennis: looks like terminus fonr
15:25 < a1fa> font*
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15:26 < a1fa> or Hack*
15:27 < phy1729> Judging from ports logs; I'd guess font-awesome
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15:32 < a1fa> phy1729: DejaVu Sans Mono, perhaps?
15:32 < phy1729> Shrug I leave xterm at the default and don't care much about fonts
15:32 < a1fa> they are so similar.. i actually like DejaVu Sans Mono.. it's super similar to Hack, and Monospace, and Terminus
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15:33 < a1fa> i was testing kde-plasma, and it's very unstable for me.. back to i3
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15:40 < a1fa> phy1729: do you recongnize that background?
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15:41 < a1fa> https://deskto.ps/u/gonzalo/d/npgqov
15:43 < vortexx> a1fa: dunno if there was a Blade Runner 2049 game but that is clearly inspired by the film
15:43 < a1fa> yeah it's blade runner 2049
15:43 < a1fa> you know what would be cool? getting feh to set a gif as a background
15:43 < a1fa> https://www.behance.net/gallery/140178953/Windy-Night
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15:46 < a1fa> hm gifscle may be able to do it
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15:46 < a1fa> https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/max_1200/f5bc31140178953.623ca3d42274c.gif
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15:47 < a1fa> that worked
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15:47 < a1fa> wicked
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16:24 < avemestr> a1fa: I also think it's one of the DejaVu Sans fonts.
16:26 < cjs> a1fa: Make sure that you document and file specific bug reports from your testing of Plasma in the relevant mailing lists places (ports@, bugs@, or misc@, depending), if you are testing. It is part of -current rather than -release precisely so folks will test. Rafael Sadowski, the Qt5 guru (demi-god?), has worked on this for years. Awesome stuff. I use his KBibTeX and Kile ports.
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17:21 < dev1ls> hi ppl
17:21 < dev1ls> i got some problem with de lid of my laptop
17:22 < dev1ls> im check de sysctl 
17:22 < dev1ls> sysctl machdep.lidaction=1
17:22 < dev1ls> it suposed to work
17:22 < dev1ls> or mybe i skip something.
17:22 < dev1ls> ?
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17:29 < avemestr> What laptop? What happens? What did you expect to happen?
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20:43 < skdnn> where can I find system requirements?
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20:48 < avemestr> skdnn: https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html
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20:51 < skdnn> there is no system requirements there
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20:52 < avemestr> You haven't even said what kind of computer you want it to run on. I'm not sure what kind of response you expect.
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20:55 < thrig> usually anything made in the last 30 years or so, given the general lack of bloat
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20:56 < cjs> skdnn: For AMD64, desktop computing, requirements will be comparable to any other *NIX for your chosen DE/WM. Generally, OpenBSD uses quite a bit less RAM (as in, the same setup in Debian often will use 100mb+ at all times relative to OpenBSD).
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20:57 < cjs> ...but CPU, etc. will be comparable.
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20:58 < cjs> Cold boot AMD64 in the terminal generally uses around 35mb or so RAM, in my limited experiences.
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20:59 < skdnn> for starters, installation requires > 1G RAM, which is larger than virtualbox default, and no documentation states that fact
21:00 < thrig> meanwhile if you want to run some "heavyweight champion" browser, then probably toss i386 and multiply memory requirements by lots
21:04 < cjs> skdnn: "no documentation states that fact" <-- then, submit a diff
21:05 < skdnn> against what? there is no system requirementes
21:07 < cjs> Then, write a short, thoughtful message to misc@
21:07 < avemestr> Where did you get the minimum 1GB requirement from?
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21:08 < Bradipo> I was wondering the same...
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21:08 < Bradipo> Which document says that 1G RAM is a requirement?
21:08 < skdnn> default ram size for openbsd 64-bit vm
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21:11 < echelon> howdy
21:11 < echelon> is there a standard way of adding a CA to the trust store other than appending it to /etc/ssl/cert.pem?
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21:12 < Bradipo> Not that I'm aware of.
21:12 < Bradipo> What are you trying to do?
21:13 < echelon> work computer does mitm through a proxy that spoofs ssl
21:13 < Bradipo> I had a similar question while trying to setup relayd and in the end, I just concatenated /etc/ssl/cert.pem and the certificate CAs that I wanted into a new file and had relay.conf reference that new file.
21:13 < avemestr> skdnn: Have you experienced problems installing OpenBSD on a machine with 512MB or 1GB of RAM?
21:14 < sibiria> i think there's a script you usually run to build the PEM file
21:14 < echelon> and /etc/ssl/cert.pem is referenced by curl and pkg_add ?
21:14 < skdnn> avemestr yes it does not install
21:14 < thrig> it's a mystery how it installed, but my openbsd virt is 500M memory
21:15 < echelon> sibiria: any idea where i can find the documentation for that?
21:16 < sibiria> echelon: unfortunately not. there might even be a chance that openbsd simply throws e.g. the mozilla ca bundle straight into the base
21:16 < sibiria> you should be fine just appending to the pem-file though
21:17 < echelon> alright, thanks!
21:17 < uwharrie> will just need to remember to re-add post-upgrade or toss something into upgrade.site
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21:21 < echelon> it looks like cert.pem also contains SHA1/SHA256 fingerprints of the certs as well
21:22 < uwharrie> pretty sure those are just comments and the stuff between the BEGIN/END markers is all that's used by libressl
21:23 < echelon> ok
21:23 < Bradipo> Specifically, it's probably the output of: openssl -noout -text -in <somecert>
21:24 < Bradipo> Which is just human readable stuff.
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22:15 < gilles> hellow
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22:56 < echelon> i've been troubleshooting this ssl issue for the last couple of hours, turns out my date was off by 5 days
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23:03 < coyote> i'm having a problem with using `divert(4)` for packet logging; whenever i use iperf3 to test my program with TCP, `sendto` fails to reinject packets larger than 32768 bytes.. any idea what could be happening?
23:03 < coyote> if needed i can psot the code i'm using (in Go)
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