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03:22 < lockywolf> Does openbsd run /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb periodically by default?
03:25 < thrig> apropos updatedb  ->  man 8 locate.updatedb  ->  mentions a script
03:26 < rueda> see weekly(8)
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05:16 < skdnn> why is package system in any bsd such a poor c*p (with capital C)?
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05:37 < byteskeptical> skdnn: nothing but time and opportunity between you and your ideal package manager
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05:43 < mqlnv> Maybe a stupid question, but sometimes packages are setup in ports tree but no binary package built yet? 
05:43 < mqlnv> I'm trying to get foot terminal on openbsd-current
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05:45 < phy1729> The Makefile has  UNLINKED defined
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05:50 < mqlnv> phy1729: Where can I read about that? Guessing it means it's probably not ready yet. 
05:50 < phy1729> man bsd.port.mk
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05:55 < skdnn> wdym byteskeptical
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06:03 < mqlnv> phy1729: Thanks, I couldn't find anything specifically on UNLINKED in there, but that did help me to build it. 
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06:04 < byteskeptical> skdnn: I'm mean as far as the BSD's are concerned you the the source available to these package managers. If you feel strongly enough about it you could write your own or send a patch to one of the existing ones.
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06:05 < skdnn> there is 100500 bsd locales crammed into a single file of proprietary format -- can something be done with that?
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06:06 < byteskeptical> wdym skdnn?
06:07 < IcePic> I guess that sentence means "there is one port with a cumbersome packaging choice made"
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06:11 < IcePic> I don't think ports people nor obsd mirror admins would have wanted to create and maintain 100500 separate packages that all differ in very slight ways
06:11 < byteskeptical> as appealing as that sounds...
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06:18 < skdnn> there is no reason to package samba in a single package named 'samba'
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07:18 < IcePic> skdnn: well, one of the reasons would presumably be because the current samba maintainer finds it practical to do it that way
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10:29 < rnkn> I swear every question chatGPT gets about OpenBSD it's like "oh goodie, time to tell some lies"
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10:51 < IcePic> rnkn: why do you think that would be particular for the openbsd topic?
10:52 < IcePic> If you read branch magazines and find them missing details and so on, you figure that it is probably the same for papers about model trains, horse-riding or whatever special topics there is.
10:52 < IcePic> when some person or engine gets "paid" to produce letters and not facts, you will get a lot of letters back and less facts
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11:42 < rnkn> IcePic: I've found chatGPT to be helpful on most topics except for openBSD
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11:48 < tercaL> rnkn: 4.0?
11:49 < tercaL> tried it too?
11:49 < rnkn> just 3.5
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11:51 < rnkn> given the .key created by acme-client is root 600, how do I get my webserver to read it?
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11:51 < rnkn> or should I be running acme-client with the www user?
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11:52 < IcePic> webservers start as root, rea the secrey key, then do other things, and lastly setuid to www
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11:52 < IcePic> read*
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12:09 < rnkn> okay cool, Mojolicious has a plugin for dropping privileges
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12:13 < IcePic> rnkn: you want the running parts not being able to be tricked into serving the key
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12:13 < IcePic> hence you read it before getting into the chroot
12:14 < rnkn> IcePic: ah I still haven't figured out the DBD::Pg shared lib problem with the chroot so for the time being I'm living dangerously
12:14 < rnkn> I plan to ask the mailing list
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16:59 < GnarledHorn> Hello friends. I'm using git repositories on a VPS to sync text documents between the different computers I use regularly. This is not the intended case for git, but when you've got a hammer... Does anyone have a package recommendation for syncronizing documents between computers? Durability is a key feature. I don't want to "sync" an empty directory up to the server and nuke my files... something I've definitely done with another 
16:59 < avemestr> rsync?
17:00 < phy1729> I think people use nextcloud for things like that. I've never messed with it.
17:00 < GnarledHorn> my old pal rsync. That may be the answer. I abandoned it years back after getting gunshy from the "sync empty to the server" behavior I described before. That's obviuously user error, but once bitten twice shy
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17:01 < GnarledHorn> I'll look at rsync again. I like that it has minimal dependencies
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17:04 < Bradipo> GnarledHorn: Well, using Git to manage documents isn't such a bad idea... especially if you want revision control on said documents.
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17:04 < Bradipo> However, I prefer Fossil.  But if all I want is a mirror copy of things, a DVCS isn't ideal, as you point out.
17:04 < Bradipo> Better to use rsync or something like it.
17:05 < Bradipo> Also, rsync won't nuke anything unless you tell it to.
17:05 < GnarledHorn> Bradipo: Nice to chat with you again. As per my disclaimer, my rsync problem was absolutely user error. 
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17:06 < Bradipo> Right, definitely good to be careful about rsync options because one of it's modes of operation is to "mirror", which will definitely delete things.
17:06 < GnarledHorn> I like the durability aspect of versioning that git offers, but in practice I never need to roll bak changes. It's just me editing the content. 
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17:08 < Bradipo> Well, there are a lot of backup tools out there that could do what you want.
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17:09 < eea> i sorta like duplicity
17:09 < eea> no frills, fancy tar/rsync 
17:09 < Bradipo> One that I've seen discussed in ports lately is net/syncthing
17:09 < GnarledHorn> rsync only has two "wantlib" statements, so that makes me happy :)
17:09 < eea> syncthing looks attractive
17:10 < Bradipo> I've never used syncthing, I tend to prefer the simplicity of rsync.
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17:10 < Bradipo> Also, syncthing is written in go...
17:10 < Bradipo> So who knows what dependencies that will bring in.
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17:13 < betabug> I had a strange experience with syncthing
17:13 < betabug> it seemed to saturate my adsl uplink, even though I was syncing a laptop and phone on my local network
17:13 < betabug> dunno if it's trying to route traffic through the internet even though it's local, of something malicious was going on
17:13 < betabug> removed it
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17:14 < coyote> what about git-annex? ( https://git-annex.branchable.com/ )
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17:16 < GnarledHorn> coyote: never heard of it. Reading the use case entries is interesting. It's built atop rsync, coincidentally
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17:18 < GnarledHorn> written in Haskell! How exotic 
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17:25 < solene> GnarledHorn: git-annex is powerful but not easy to grasp, maybe this could help you https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-05-12-potw-git-annex.html
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17:27 < jrmu> Is there an easy way to see if a daemon is hitting resource limits in /etc/login.conf? I'm suspecting prosody is hitting some sort of limit, but not sure which
17:27 < GnarledHorn> Hi Solene, nice to chat with you again as well. I will take a look at your post!
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17:38 < Bradipo> jrmu: What makes you suspect that?
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17:39 < Bradipo> betabug: It might be using some kind of STUN to try to figure out how to get traffic between your devices.
17:40 < Bradipo> Which, if true, I agree is a bit concerning.
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17:52 < jrmu> Bradipo: prosody works at first, then after about 48 hrs, it sporadically disconnects my xmpp client, until about 7 days later when it becomes impossible to connect
17:52 < jrmu> I suspect this is due to a large number of users on the server
17:53 < thrig> ISP injecting rst or whatnot is alas not unknown
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17:55 < Bradipo> jrmu: Is it perhaps a resource leak bug?
17:55 < Bradipo> Also, are there any logs suggesting problems?
17:55 < jrmu> I don't think it's due to the ISP. I'll try re-checking logs
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17:58 < thrig> is traffic not too bad that you could tcpdump the whole thing?
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18:47 < GnarledHorn> rsync push/pull scripts created. I'll report back in a month or so with how the new setup fits into my life
18:47 < thrig> unison can do two-way transfers, but I'm lazy and use one computer as primary
18:48 < GnarledHorn> My model has one computer as primary. All my different workstations pull from the VPS. A hub and spoke, if you will
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18:49 < thrig> (I also do a lot with git push)
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19:14 < ClaudioM> 
19:14 < ClaudioM> Woops, sorry.
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20:20 < cation> I've installed OpenBSD with FDE on a machine but keep getting "incorrect passphrase" when I enter the FDE passphrase at the prompt... I've done the install three times now, what might be going wrong?
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20:20 < avemestr> Capslock?
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20:21 < cation> I'm pasting the password
20:21 < cation> (I'm connected through a serial cable)
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20:21 < avemestr> Are you using an American keyboard layout?
20:21 < cation> yes
20:22 < mischief> bracketed paste mode? :)
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20:23 < avemestr> Okay. It was a random guess, since the characters entered during install are base on the keyboard selection, and I assume the FDE prompt use ANSI or similar layout.
20:25 < cation> hmm... so I kept pressing enter until it dropped me into the boot> prompt and pasted there
20:25 < cation> it is pasting the partial password prefixed with [0~
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20:25 < sibiria> password length is far more important than "tricky" characters, which practically don't matter at all
20:26 < thrig> passwords should end with 2 and begin with Hunter
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20:26 < sibiria> it's the most widely supported and compatible password these days
20:26 < avemestr> Only way to ensure it is encrypted on IRC automatically: *******
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20:27 < cation> hunh.
20:28 < cation> I tried setting the console settings (stty com0 115200, set tty com0), and it pasted fine after that
20:28 < cation> I thought those would have been saved as part of the installation, since the installer asked about it
20:29 < IcePic> wonder if those settings end up in /etc/boot.conf on the inside of the FDE?
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20:31 < cation> let me check
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20:35 < cation> yes they're in there
20:35 < cation> hmm
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20:51 < donnodk> Hi guys
20:52 < donnodk> So, with a newer nvidia-card, its possible to install OpenBSD, I'll just get poor performance? 
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21:00 < avemestr> "poor" might not be the right word. Properly more like "painful".
21:01 < thrig> "He Chose Poorly"
21:01 < donnodk> painful performance? I guess why not
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21:34 < a2800276> possibly stupid newbie question: why does pkg_info -Q python return not results, yet pkg_add python works fine? (arm64 btw)
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21:38 < fro> pkg_info -Q python returns results for me
21:38 < mischief> try with `-a`
21:38 < a2800276> I thought it has to do wi
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21:39 < a2800276> th the package path being called aarch64 instead of arm64, but most other packages query just fine.
21:40 < a2800276> @fro aarch64 or 386/amd64?
21:40 < fro> arm64 and amd64
21:40 < fro> works fine
21:41 < fro> must be something off there
21:42 < gilles> hellow
21:43 < a2800276> Not working on two distinct fresh 7.4 installs on raspbi 4's, setting PKG_PATH to cdn.openbsd....7.4/packages fixes querying, but it should not be necessary because `installurl` takes it's place ... (but install url does not contain the arch subdirectory)
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21:45 < fro> i don't have PKG_PATH set
21:46 < a2800276> very strange. Thanks anyway, good at least to know it's supposed to work, and something is wonky on my end :)
21:46 < fro> does it work with -a tho?
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21:54 < a2800276> pkg_info -Qa python basically spits out every single package, whether it includes python in the name or not along with full description :/
21:55 < a2800276> as does -Q -a ... this doesnt seem to be the intended behavior from what I can tell form the man pages 
21:55 < djjdiw> not here
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23:00 < djjdiw> how can I make su command work fatser?
23:01 < serious> alias su to just s
23:01 < thrig> 50% savings!
23:03 < Bradipo> work faster than what?
23:04 < djjdiw> su takes about 5 seconds of waiting, it's infuriating
23:04 < fro> oh no a whole 5 seconds
23:04 < Bradipo> Do you have an "approve" program in your /etc/login.conf that's slowing it down?
23:05 < thrig> or if you turn up the bcrypt rounds up too high
23:05 < djjdiw> there is no string approve in login.conf
23:07 < Bradipo> As far as I'm aware, I'm one of the few who uses su APPROVAL.
23:07 < Bradipo> So I'm not surprised you don't have approve in /etc/login.conf.
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23:10 < fro> yeah but is your su too slow
23:10 < Bradipo> It may have been.  I use it mostly to control X logins.
23:10 < djjdiw> what should I set # of rounds to? ight now it's on 'auto' 
23:10 < Bradipo> What kind of hardware are you running?
23:11 < fro> whatever the default is
23:11 < serious> i have no su lag and i've changed nothing related to this from a default install
23:11 < Bradipo> Are you running OpenBSD on a USB stick?
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23:11 < fro> yeah i don't have su lag either
23:12 < djjdiw> no
23:12 < fro> but also that's not a real concern
23:13 < serious> djjdiw: does doas -s also lag?
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23:13 < Bradipo> djjdiw: How are you calling su?
23:13 < djjdiw> it's disabled right now
23:14 < djjdiw> just 'su' 
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23:15 < Bradipo> And how are you measuring "lag"?
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23:16 < fro> just download more ram
23:16 < fro> then it'll be faster
23:16 < djjdiw> I checked the password file, it uses 2^16 rounds
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23:17 < Bradipo> Password looks like: $2b$10$ZYfAFXxv5ReUrBWoAAOuUOpIDC94FqzndKCJZtmbnL9lC9Tu5zcSm
23:18 < djjdiw> yes
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23:18 < Bradipo> So you have $2b$ then?
23:18 < djjdiw> 2b means twofish
23:19 < thrig> red fish, blue fish
23:20 < thrig> also sharing the hash probably isn't a good idea
23:20 < Bradipo> Sure, but that's a bogus hash that I generated using encrypt(1)
23:21 < Bradipo> Though, I suppose it does "leak" the rounds.
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23:21 < Bradipo> But if you have my password file, then you know that already.
23:22 < thrig> years ago I set the rounds too high and it took almost nine minutes to login
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23:22 < djjdiw> cool I've set it to 256 and now its instant
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