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00:03 < mbuhl> I learned that in certain fips environments you do ssh root@localhost instead of su to escalate privileges. maybe thats faster for you.
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00:07 < Bradipo> Probably just as slow because the rounds were high.
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00:08 < leah2> use a ssh key ;)
00:16 < djjdiw> how can I remove /usr/share/relink?
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00:33 < pardis> if only there were a tool for deleting files
00:33 < pardis> but also, why do you want to?
00:35 < sibiria> djjdiw: the right way is to set a fixed work factor in login.conf, then change your passwd to reinstate that new work factor
00:35 < sibiria> after that you can change it back if you need the added security
00:36 < djjdiw> that's what I did sibiria 
00:36 < djjdiw> pardis, if I delete it, it comes back
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00:38 < sibiria> you can disable kernel relinking by editing /etc/rc or by a few filesystem tricks
00:38 < pardis> so you want to delete something that is being used by something on your system, but you don't know what uses it?
00:38 < sibiria> but it can become a hassle down the road
00:38 < pardis> you could just delete /bin if you don't care if things are in use
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00:46 < eea> rm -rf /
00:47 < eea> ftw
00:47 < eea> ha
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00:51 < sibiria> djjdiw: the problem with removing the dir and not relinking more is that syspatches for the kernel won't be applicable
00:51 < Bradipo> Does syspatch silently ignore the situation or does it nag when it cannot relink?
00:52 < sibiria> last time i did this to try, it croaked and let you know
00:52 < sibiria> i actually don't know if syspatch these days will "explode" the kernel to recreate the object file base in order to proceed. it didn't back then
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00:52 < sibiria> it just failed that specific patch and then resumed with the next one
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03:08 < seninha> hi, sysupgrade -s is taking more time to download base74.tgz now than before
03:09 < seninha> ~12min (it hardly got longer than 2min before)
03:09 < seninha> am using cdn.openbsd.org
03:10 < phy1729> If I had to guess it didn't have it cached yet and you were the unlucky one it had to pull the file from the backing mirror
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03:11 < seninha> oof
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03:15 < mischief> i think there's a http header that can inform you about cache hit or misses.
03:16 < martian67> or just a slow mirror
03:18 < seninha> sysupgrade(8) auto-rebooting in 3... 2... 1...
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03:43 < rnkn> what is the simplest way to proxy https? relayd?
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03:45 < rnkn> I love when I ask chatGPT OpenBSD q's and its reply starts with sudo
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03:50 < rnkn> okay I see httpd can act as a reverse proxy too, is that advisable?
03:51 < rnkn> for a single-domain webserver 
03:52 < falsifian> rnkn: Really? How do you make httpd be a reverse proxy?
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03:56 < falsifian> I think relayd is good for that, but I've barely tried it.
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03:59 < byteskeptical> rnkn: relayd
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04:01 < rnkn> https://chat.openai.com/share/24e85674-dee9-4113-99f2-e29ac9ff9756
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04:01 < rnkn> second answer
04:02 < rnkn> if I can do this with just httpd I'll be quite happy
04:03 < rnkn> but chatGPT has been lying to me a bit about OpenBSD things
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04:05 < rnkn> okay I think chatGPT is lying again, damn
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04:07 < AmyMalik> it only ever lies rnkn 
04:07 < AmyMalik> never rely on chatgpt
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04:11 < rnkn> AmyMalik: the thing I can't understand is the disparity of accuracy, and it's not like it starts with "I'm not totally sure, but..."
04:12 < mqlnv> Is it possible to user match against root in pf?
04:12 < rnkn> certainty always, correct sometimes
04:12 < mqlnv> pass out proto {tcp udp} user root?
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04:15 < AmyMalik> rnkn, it slurps up random english from the internet and puts it in a special blender. you then read the pourings.
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04:15 < AmyMalik> mqlnv, try it
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04:16 < mqlnv> AmyMalik: I did. It's not working.
04:16 < mqlnv> https://pastebin.com/UGBRYwvX
04:16 < mqlnv> This setup I am going for is impossible?
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04:20 < AmyMalik> ... order may be wrong? try moving the first line to the end?
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04:21 < mqlnv> AmyMalik: Didn't fix. And the example in the manual has the block line before the pass. Manual seems to imply that it should be possible?
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04:22 < AmyMalik> Each time a packet processed by the packet filter comes in on or goes out through an interface, the filter rules are evaluated in sequential order, from first to last. For block and pass, the last matching rule decides what action is taken; if no rule matches the packet, the default action is to pass the packet without creating a state. For match, rules are evaluated every time they match; the
04:22 < AmyMalik> pass/block state of a packet remains unchanged.
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04:23 < AmyMalik> .. huh
04:24 < AmyMalik> nvm
04:24 < AmyMalik> ignore me
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04:26 < mqlnv> It's strange. I managed to get it to work with group/user matching of unprivileged users. But since it effectively blocks root from the network it makes it impossible to install packages.
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04:35 < mqlnv> Oh I have a theory. Now pkg_add is able to work if I look for UID <100 with my matching rule. So I'm guessing a daemon must be in use that fails to match against the UID. Still a bit confusing though since my matched group is able to run pkg_info just fine but matched against root it cannot.
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05:14 < Bradipo> Is there a minimal file picker that can run from command line, launch a minimal gui to select files, then dump the selected files on stdout?
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05:14 < Bradipo> I suppose it doesn't necessarily have to be an X UI.
05:14 < rnkn> can I use relayd to redirect http to https or do I need to spin up httpd?
05:14 < phy1729> Doesn't fzf do something like that?
05:14 < Bradipo> Is that a suckless tool?
05:15 < rnkn> yeah I recommend fzf for this purpose
05:15 < Bradipo> Nothing in base?
05:15 < rnkn> perl
05:15 < rnkn> some assembly required
05:15 < Bradipo> Well, not that low level.
05:15 < Bradipo> Yeah.
05:16 < Bradipo> xmessage allows a single choice... would be nice if it allowed multiple choice.
05:18 < phy1729> just run it in a loop (mostly /s)
05:21 < Bradipo> Yeah, well, I could easily just use find to generate a list of files, then have a script put numbers in front of the files and then choose by number, but that's a bit unwieldy.
05:22 < Bradipo> dmenu might work but I don't know if it does multiple choice.
05:23 < Bradipo> I'll look at fzf.
05:23 < Bradipo> Oh noes... requires bash...
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05:32 < rnkn> seems like I can't do a block return 302 to https with relayd, hmph
05:33 < phy1729> block return 307 "https://$HTTP_HOST$REQUEST_URI"
05:37 < rnkn> phy1729: afaict relayd block does not accept arguments
05:37 < phy1729> oh misread relayd as httpd; I should sleep
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05:52 < rnkn> okay I guess setting up httpd just for http->https wasn't so painful
05:52 < rnkn> doas cp /etc/examples/httpd.conf /etc/ and delete some lines
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08:09 < sonya> my fortune insisted to meet with System/3: 64Kb overall memory, up to 20K reserved for OS, optional 20Mb hard drive.. and here we are.. hello!
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08:16 < IcePic> sonya: you realize that things like "gzip looks at most 32kb forward for matches" is based on being useable on machines like this
08:17 < sonya> sure
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08:41 < AmyMalik> sonya, are you doing ok there?
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09:08 < sonya> AmyMalik, thanks, all fine :))
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09:14 < rIMpossible> Hello :)
09:15 < rIMpossible> Is there any way to add authenticity to wireguard?
09:16 < AmyMalik> ... are you looking for the wireguard genuine advantage program? (-: (sorry. I just had to. I don't actually have the anser to your question. Hope it was a laugh at least...
09:16 < AmyMalik> )
09:16 < rIMpossible> AmyMalik: Muhahaha
09:17 < rIMpossible> Here are smart people, could be, couldn't it? :p
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09:18 < AmyMalik> what are you really looking for though? authenticating the remote partner?
09:18 < rIMpossible> AmyMalik: yes, so I do in IKEv2 on OpenBSD (have only machines and VPS's with OpenBSD, anyway)
09:19 < AmyMalik> =/ 76
09:19 < AmyMalik> (oops)
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10:16 < IcePic> rIMpossible: you could easily add authpf (ie, ssh atuth) behind or in front of wireguard
10:16 < IcePic> ssh auth*
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14:05 < phy1729> I'm a bit confused on what wireguard is lacking. I replaced authpf with wireguard.
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14:10 < sibiria> i think he wants idm/certificates
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14:30 < rIMpossible> IcePic: Hi :) Thank you for the helpful comment!
14:31 < rIMpossible> sibiria: yes, you got it.
14:33 < phy1729> Maybe tailscale would help? I've never bothered with it because I manage most of the machines with ansible and the rest are phones that I just type the gateway pubkey and psk in manually.
14:33 < rIMpossible> AmyMalik: Seems, the community found the 'Wireshark Genuine Advantage Pack' within 5 hours. Now you run ... :p
14:34 < rIMpossible> phy1729: will look it up ...
14:35 < rIMpossible> phy1729: looks promising, I will heat it up
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14:43 < sibiria> ansible would make it possible to roll your own IDM and key management
14:44 < sibiria> you would have onboarding and offboarding in the same process. a bit ham-fisted for onboarding, but it would work
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14:50 < IcePic> phy1729: wg is somewhat .. stateless so anyone that has a working key gets to play
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14:51 < IcePic> phy1729: some places want to have protections against that, and other things like "no vpn on weekends" or "please leave a nose-print on your way in" and whatever hoops they like to invent
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14:51 < phy1729> I suppose, but in return there's no possibility of spoofing the IP and it can automagically work on login without me (or my kids) having to do anything
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14:52 < phy1729> Just login.conf.d shove the user into a separated rdomain that only has wg, so all traffic has to go through wg
14:52 < GnarledHorn> "nose-print" lol. Love it
14:53 < IcePic> phy1729: I'm not advocating for 2-3-4-5FA logins giving people improved life quality or whatever, just noting that places claim to need more than wg wants to provide
14:54 < IcePic> and I support the wg design decision to not start becoming a mix of authentication and authorization, with ldap/ad couplings and auto-reverse dns api support and whatever one can dream up on top of doing a vpn
14:54 < phy1729> Fair enough; if you're going to automagic your IdP based of IP then sure you should have 2FA or something too, but aiui tailscale can do some of that
14:54 < phy1729> wg is dirt simple (for users) and just works without the fiddling for authpf or ipsec
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14:55 < rIMpossible> phy1729: exactly.
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14:55 < rIMpossible> But if someone gets to the key, the network is compromised.
14:55 < rIMpossible> Having a CA and a signing key and certs, kinda more difficult ...
14:56 < phy1729> Not as much as a traditional network because they can't spoof any other IPs just the one they have the key for
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14:56 < phy1729> But if you're doing corporate things, yes my home network setup doesn't suffice
14:57 < IcePic> "Having a CA and a signing key and certs" , well, if your vpn depends on client certs and whatnot those are also stealable if you get root on the client, so unless half of the cert is on a yubikey and the user is not tricked into pressing the button, having client auth split into certs and so on isn't really adding security
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14:57 < IcePic> the attacker may steal the client certs as easily as the wg privkey
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14:59 < rIMpossible> IcePic: true from this perspective, but if an attacher has root access, one has anyway many other problems, too ;)
15:00 < rIMpossible> IcePic: The certs will anyway land on a secure key, the root problem is tooken in the decision process
15:03 < IcePic> still, if I had such needs, I would grab any simple captive portal I could find that works for my needs and put it behind a wg gateway.
15:03 < IcePic> so you have wg to allow you to see the portal, and the portal can have all the bells and whistles you might ever need, but it would only be visible for someone that wins over the wg first
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15:07 < rIMpossible> IcePic: Didn't go down THAT thinking process. Thank you for laying out ... 
15:10 < IcePic> should be simple to find this portal which checks your ldap or validates your certs or whatever, then lets you in. Should be something people use for hotel wifi and things like that
15:11 < IcePic> you also get a remote ip inside the wg range, so that can be used for later firewalling, like "only allow vpn clients reach this server network but not that other one"
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16:00 < rIMpossible> IcePic: Thank you. :)
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20:51 < thyssentishman> porters, any idea how to solve the following error?:
20:51 < thyssentishman> Error FULLPKGNAME <name> is a stem
20:52 < thyssentishman> I got it when I changed PKGNAME
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20:52 < thyssentishman> cause it defaults to DISTNAME and it is too long
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20:54 < pardis> don't set PKGNAME to a stem?
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22:08 < Filystyn> guys
22:08 < Filystyn> i think i need some kind of quath2 service
22:08 < Filystyn> any programs out there ?
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22:50 < ssm_> any xmpp clients on openbsd that work with calling? I tried dino, but it doesn't detect a microphone (mic works with aucat -o test.au)
22:51 < ssm_> gajim seems to be missing dependencies for calling
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22:54 < sibiria> pidgin?
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23:07 < ssm_> cool idea!
23:07 < ssm_> was also looking at profanity, but I don't think that has calling support
23:08 < ssm_> worst comes to worst I think a movim client inside firefox should work
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23:16 < kn> ssm_: any debug log hints as to why dino doesn't take audio input?
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23:17 < kn> openbsd lacks microphone drivers for my current notebook, so I can't easily test a mic with dino atm.
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23:21 < GnarledHorn> solene: congrats on being featured on the BSD now podcast again
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23:29 < ssm_> kn: I've uninstalled it, I can reinstall and check, though stdout warnings for gtk4 applications seem lack luster in my experience
23:29 < ssm_> as do their ability to comply with your window manager
23:30 < Bradipo> Yeah, I've wondered about all the gtk warnings as well.
23:30 < ssm_> -s/stdout/stderr
23:30 < Bradipo> But dino definitely has an otherworldly aspect to it.
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23:33 < ssm_> kn Bradipo: https://0x0.st/H0yV.log
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23:37 < Bradipo> Yes, gtk programs make all kinds of assumptions.
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23:38 < ssm_> No preferred device for {incoming,outgoing} audio seems relevant
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23:47 < Bradipo> Indeed seems relevant.  But "no" as an "address element"?
23:47 < Bradipo> When I started dino I didn't get those warnings, O got other warnings.
23:47 < Bradipo> (dino:42453): Gdk-WARNING **: 16:20:28.106: ../gtk-4.12.3/gdk/x11/gdkproperty-x11.c:183 invalid X atom: 572550511
23:47 < Bradipo> Along those lines.  A dozen of them.
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