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01:22 < harpia> Problem here. I edit the disklabel (disklabel -E sd0), create a new RAID partition on 'a' (a a), write it to disk (w), then quit the interactive mode (q). I get no errors - it seems to work, but when printing the new disklabel, none of the changes persisted.
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01:23 < harpia> Of course, before using disklabel I initialized it with fdisk (fdisk -iy sd0).
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01:43 < vortexx> harpia: and editing againt and using p to print out the partition list doesn't show RAID ?
01:43 < vortexx> at least you checked, most people just edit and then move onto bioctl stuff
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01:44 < harpia> it shows the partition only during the interactive edit (-E)
01:44 < harpia> quit (and write to disk), and the changes are gone!
01:44 < harpia> also, the device shows no DUID
01:44 < harpia> it's just a bunch of zeroes
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01:55 < Bradipo> Sometimes you have to edit the DUID to have it generate a new one.
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01:55 < Bradipo> Type i to edit the DUID.  As per the man page: http://man.openbsd.org/disklabel#i
01:57 < harpia> I did that just now, chose some random 16-digit code, but it doesn't persist. Nothing I do persists.
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02:12 < PyR3X> can anyone recommend a zigbee dongle known to work with OpenBSD?
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02:18 < vortexx> harpia: but does bioctl work?
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02:37 < pardis> harpia: a duid of all zeroes means you don't have a real disklabel
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02:37 < pardis> it's a virtual disklabel autogenerated by the kernel to read foreign disks (those with no on-disk label)
02:38 < pardis> it's strange for that to happen after an fdisk -i, though
02:38 < pardis> resetting the disklabel to default (using the 'D' command) *might* help
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02:42 < harpia> I took the affected SD card out, reformatted it on Linux (MBR, fat32), copied some files to it... and it works normally there. Doesn't look like a hardware problem.
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02:43 < harpia> I'm using a Raspberry Pi 4B, by the way
02:48 < harpia> Will try another SD card here. If it persists, I'll send a bug report.
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02:55 < vortexx> harpia: purpose of this raid disk? encrypted SD card or raid array?
02:55 < harpia> it's a keydisk: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#softraidFDE
02:56 < harpia> but it doesn't matter what partition type I assign, it just doesn't pick it. I also tried the automatic assignment -A option.
02:57 < harpia> Now I suspect the RPi SD card reader is broken. The other SD card wasn't even detected by OpenBSD.
02:58 < vortexx> does it work with a usb drive?
02:58 < harpia> Or not, it was working on Linux just yesterday.
02:58 < harpia> the root is on USB. It seems ok
02:59 < harpia> It's an encrypted install. Used the installer guided FDE.
02:59 < vortexx> no I mean have you tried a USB drive / flash drive to do the keydisk
02:59 < harpia> will try
02:59 < vortexx> just to rule things out
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03:05 < harpia> Actually, the other SD card just worked. *facepalm*
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03:07 < harpia> They're both Sandisk, but the working device is class-10, while the broken device is older and slower.
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03:11 < harpia> I also noticed a significant performance improvement after I replaced the card. Commands like fdisk and disklabel were taking several seconds to return. Now it's instant.
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03:27 < cjs_> Does sndio allow multiple I/Os, e.g. 1 x USB headphones as output and 1 x USB microphone as input (2 USB devices)?
03:29 < cjs_> sndio(7), sndioctl(1), and related show no obvious way of achieving this, unless I am missing something right in front of me ^
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03:34 < SNAX_74> Can you tell me how to get Google Earth to work on FireFox with OpenBSD ?
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03:38 < cjs_> SNAX_74: Try a user-agent switching extension, setting Firefox to appear as Chromium on Linux instead of Firefox on OpenBSD. MMV. ungoogled-chromium is well supported on OpenBSD, too.
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03:40 < cjs_> Anyone for sndio(7) multiple I/O? :) (above)
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03:43 < phy1729> The single threaded wasm version loads fine for me
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03:44 < vortexx> heh we have ungoogled-chromium now? Nice
03:44 < vortexx> (It's my main browser on linux)
03:44 < Bradipo> I've used a  user-agent switcher with Firefox to make it look like Chrome with some success.
03:46 < vortexx> harpia: well at least it's working, and it's not the SD-card reader
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03:53 < harpia> vortexx, yes, that's a relief. But I still think there's something wrong with the SD card reader, because it's having trouble detecting a card when I insert it. I'll end up using USB...
03:53 < harpia> thanks for the help
03:54 < Bradipo> I've had trouble with SD card readers...
03:54 < Bradipo> I notice that if I plug in the SD card it doesn't see it, but if I plug in the card and then plug in the reader, it does see it.
03:54 < vortexx> harpia: yeah you're probably going to end up needing a usb hub
03:55 < Bradipo> If this is a built-in SD card reader, then there's no way to plug in the reader *after* inserting the card.
03:55 < Bradipo> My SD reader is USB.
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03:56 < vortexx> I bought a USB to just about every flash format out there, still going strong
03:56 < vortexx> 20 years ago
03:56 < Bradipo> Yeah, I have one of those... Kingston.
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12:10 < rnkn> how much do people care if a website works without javascript?
12:11 < sibiria> fundamentalists will care infinitely about it. for most people javascipt is simply there, in the background, and makes no obvious difference
12:13 < rnkn> sibiria: I think this is probably the correct answer
12:14  * lts never gives javascript to sites by default
12:15 < rnkn> lts: what browser do you use?
12:15 < lts> Firefox
12:16 < sibiria> in 99.9% of the time, javascript is used because it serves an actual integral part of the site's function and behavior. having it disabled by default just creates the hassle of having to turn it on all the damned time :)
12:17 < lts> uMatrix helps with saving the permission
12:17 < sibiria> JS is like CSS to me. one more feature of the web that is used everywhere. de facto situation
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12:19 < lts> Imho it's akin to "Do I need to include a plaintext version with the HTML email I send?"
12:20 < sibiria> it's a shame people don't do better web development, but that's out of anyone's control. to me the choice is between making my web experience work, or not work
12:21 < rnkn> I'm building a website that caters to the indieweb crowd, so thinking js-free might be more of a selling point
12:21 < uwharrie> my experience blocking it is the opposite, the bulk of it is from third parties and used for tracking and not at all related to the functionality of the site
12:21 < sibiria> rnkn: imo aim to make it as slim and simple as possible
12:22 < sibiria> no need to look for contrived reasons to throw vue/jquery/blah into the soup
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12:32 < rnkn> it seems dillo does not like flexbox
12:34 < cjs_> rnkn: sibiria: The lion's share of websites only need to communicate text. There is no reason for heaps of Javascript to be used to communicate text.
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12:43 < sibiria> there are few actual needs for it, but a billion use-cases
12:44 < lts> At least show some content, and preferably also enable menus and links, instead of just saying "To use the rnkn web application, please enable JavaScript"
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14:41 < Red> one partition with / mounted should work on openbsd 7.4 right?
14:42 < Red> installed the oceton port on an edgerouter lite w/ a small usb thumb drive and I hit some interesting permission errors on first boot
14:43 < metavoid> for small disks, thats the default behaviour
14:44 < Red> erm. the auto partition split my thumb drive into 8 or so partitions
14:44 < Red> I deleted them all and re-made one partition -- alright, so bad thumb drive then
14:45 < Posterdati> hi
14:45 < Posterdati> please help, how can I link a c++ program using egcc compiler suite? Thanks!
14:45 < metavoid> why would it be bad?
14:45 < Red> I saw a whole bunch of chmod failures, permission related
14:45 < Posterdati> I tried using libestdc++ but it segfaults: xxxx:/usr/local/bin/libestdc++.so.20.0: /usr/lib/libc++abi.so.6.0: WARNING ... size mismatch, relink your program
14:45 < metavoid> autopartition creates a bunch of partitions,unless the disk is very small
14:45 < Red> sshd failure, something about / being read-only
14:47 < metavoid> would suprise me if the stick was bad, but you followed https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.4/octeon/INSTALL.octeon right?
14:47 < metavoid> wouldn't*
14:47 < Red> correct.
14:48 < Red> under unpacking of base I got some - stalled - lines appearing a few times too
14:48 < metavoid> I often have problems with certan thumbdrives with rpi etc, they are often very picky about which brand you use
14:49 < metavoid> so maybe you need to try out a few
14:51 < Red> caseless w/ extension cable it is hehe.
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14:54 < Red> but good to know that one partition is supported
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15:39 < Posterdati> please help, how can I link a c++ program using gcc 11 compiler suite? Thanks!
15:39 < Posterdati> I tried using libestdc++ but it segfaults: xxxx:/usr/local/bin/libestdc++.so.20.0: /usr/lib/libc++abi.so.6.0: WARNING ... size mismatch, relink your program
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15:44 < jca> Posterdati: you need to install g++-11.X and gcc-libs-11.X, even though those conflict with gcc-8 and gcc-libs-8.  and you need to build and link the program and all its c++ deps using the same g++-11/libestdc++.
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15:45 < jca> tl;dr: you can't
15:45 < jca> better fix the program so that it builds with clang++
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15:46 < jca> obviously I'm assuming you're using a base-clang arch
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16:15 < Red> metavoid, re-doing it with a CF card in a multicard reader and I am not getting any - stalled - messages
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17:17 < eea> 8
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17:27 < visl> i use pkg_info -Q to search for packages. when i run pkg_search -Q enchant i don't see textproc/enchant (it only finds php-enchant) i can however pkg_add enchant to install it. why doesn't pkg_info -Q show textproc/enchant? 
17:28 < phy1729> are you on stable?
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17:29 < visl> yes
17:29 < phy1729> -aQ (documented under -Q)
17:29 < visl> ah. i see. thank you
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17:42 < avemestr> I'm looking at an LSI Raid 9750-8i card. It is not mentioned under mfi(4), though a bunch of similar cards are. I (wrongly) assumed that the specific devices would be listed in /sys/dev/pci/mfi_pci.c but that doesn't seem to be the case. Is there a place to check if this card will be recognized/configured?
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17:45 < avemestr> Searching for e.g. "9265-8i" (one of the cards mentioned in mfi(4) doesn't yield any results either, so I assume there's something else that is used to "match" these cards?
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17:48 < uwharrie> it's typically done based on the PCI ID, not the model the vendor puts on the package
17:49 < Bradipo> If I have 2 NICs and 2 subnets defined in /etc/dhcpd.conf, how does dhcpd decide which subnet to use in the response?
17:50 < uwharrie> I believe it inspects the IP address of the interface and matches that to the subnet in the conf
17:50 < Posterdati> jca: fixed
17:51 < Bradipo> That's what I thought as well, but I'm having a hard time finding any supporting documentation in dhcpd.conf(5).  Or even dhcpd(8).
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17:53 < Bradipo> In dhcpd_flags I have 2 NICs defined.
17:53 < Bradipo> Do I actually have to create a separate dhcpd service and use only one NIC in each?
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17:54 < avemestr> No. Once dhcpd. Assign fixed IP-addresses to the NIC in hostname.if and it should just work.
17:54 < jca> not as far as I know
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17:55 < Bradipo> That's what I assumed, but where is it documented?
17:55 < Posterdati> jca: removed references to GL libraries and pthread
17:56 < jca> Posterdati: hmm, that sounds like a workaround, not a fix ;)
17:57 < Posterdati> jca: for now I do not need GL libraries
17:58 < avemestr> Bradipo: "When dhcpd starts up, it identifies all network interfaces in all routing domains, eliminating non-broadcast interfaces if possible, and listens for DHCP broadcasts on each interface.  The names of the network interfaces on which dhcpd should listen for broadcasts may also be specified on the command line on systems where dhcpd is unable to identify non-broadcast interfaces."
17:59 < avemestr> It seems obvious that when dhcpd listen on a specific interface, it'll assign IP-addresses to whoever asks that is suitable for that interface?
18:00 < Bradipo> Well, maybe.
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18:25 < avemestr> uwharrie: A quick follow up: The card specs says the IO Processor/SAS Controller is an "LSI SAS2108". It is listed in pcidevs. It seems likely that it's supported.
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18:32 < Bradipo> Which are typically better supported, axen or ure USB NICs?
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19:25 < amnesiac> Hi
19:26 < amnesiac> at vmd vm starts first bound to tap0, how force it to bound to tap2 for example ?
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19:29 < op2> amnesiac: never done, but looking at vm.conf(5) "local interface tap2" on the vm block?
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19:30 < amnesiac> op2, just found this too. Thank you! 
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19:36 < amnesiac> op2, it works, and created tap2 connected to this vm, and assigned even address to this. However i need just a switch with vether device and tap2 connected to this vm within bridge. 
19:36 < amnesiac> cause i use dhcpd to assign addresses for them and building 2-nd k8s cluster for test.
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19:56 < amnesiac> op2, i mean in vm already set interface as switch, and by number this switch not first and assigned for example to bridge3, and vether3 on which dhcpd listens also assigned to bridge3, however when vm starts it gets tap0 which not in bridge3 =\
19:57 < amnesiac> one options to add all tap0 tap1 tap2 to all bridges however this brrokes configuration 
20:03 < amnesiac> i mean is there a chance to set tap device within switch attached to vm
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20:10 < op2> not sure i'm following.  shouldn't this problem be fixed outside of vmd by adding the vether to the bridge?
20:10 < op2> i never did it with bridges, but i have a vm connected to a veb0 which is attached to a vport
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20:48 < PyR3X> is there a way to identify all files changed/added from a base install? I typically move a file to a .orig but that only tells me files i've changed versus added...looking to make a backup 
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20:49 < pardis> download base74.tgz and compare checksums?
20:49 < pardis> and any other applicable sets
20:49 < pardis> you could also check ctimes
20:50 < pardis> if you know when your system was installed, that is
20:50 < PyR3X> pardis: that was my initial thought but I didn't know if there was a handy tool or something in ports that already did it
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20:51 < hussein1> any suggestions on how i might troubleshoot openntpd running on an alpine libvirtd guest?
20:52 < hussein1> it has been running for a long time and the skew is completely random, and also really high, in excess of 800000ms right now
20:52 < hussein1> clearly something is going wrong
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20:53 < avemestr> Fix the local time with rdate.
20:53 < avemestr> If the difference is too big, ntpd will not correct time.
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20:55 < avemestr> See also: https://support.ntp.org/Support/KnownOsIssues#Xen_44_VMware_44_and_Other_Virtual_Machine_Implementations
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20:55 < avemestr> "NTP server was not designed to run inside of a virtual machine. It requires a high resolution system clock, with response times to clock interrupts that are serviced with a high level of accuracy. NTP client is ok to run in some virtualization solutions. "
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23:31 < consus> hi guys, anyone tried recent rust's ring with openbsd? trying to run shadowsocks, keep hitting coredumps in ring and gdb (lol)
23:31 < consus> maybe someone was already hit
23:31 < ssm_> I don't use rust, explain in idiot's terms?
23:32 < consus> ring is a crypto lib, has some C/asm, something goes caboom in gcm and aead code
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23:32 < consus> happens only on openbsd
23:32 < consus> trying to extract some debug data -- gdb goes kaboom
23:33 < consus> with segmentation fault, yes
23:33 < thrig> ports or tech has mentioned stuff you may need to do to make rust less bad
23:33 < ssm_> if you have some good logs, send them to ports@openbsd.org, and CC semarie@kapouay.eu.org
23:33 < ssm_> or just let them know about the issue
23:33 < consus> it's not a port, I'm building it locally, but I'll try, yeah
23:33 < consus> maybe they be interested
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23:46 < phy1729> What version of ring?
23:46 < consus> sec
23:46 < phy1729> iirc pre 0.17 needed patches that have since been upstreamed
23:47 < consus> 0.16.20
23:47 < consus> aha
23:47 < consus> thanks, I'll check the git log
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23:49 < phy1729> Ideally you just depend on 0.17 and it just works
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23:50 < consus> it's somewhere deep down the stack, i'll see what can be done
23:51 < phy1729> maybe winapi and web-sys need a bump?
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23:53 < consus> ah, nice, master already has the necessary bumps
23:53 < phy1729> ah cargo tree
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23:55 < consus> now if i'm lucky no transient dependencies will bite me
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