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00:27 < consus> nah, same :(
00:29 < consus> damn, wrong binary
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00:44 < consus> yay, works! Thank you guys :)
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12:46 < cjs> Does OpenBSD (sndio or sndio + pulse) allow multiple I/Os, e.g. 1 x USB headphones as output and 1 x USB microphone as input (2 USB devices)? sndio(7), sndioctl (1), mixerctl(1) show nothing to me about this -- only single sound card/server allowed. And the most recent in misc@ is from 2018 saying that OpenBSD does *not* have this functionality.
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12:47 < cjs> ...but that is 6 years ago
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13:17 < consus> bluetooth still not a thing?
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15:13 < pardis> cjs: there is a one-to-one mapping between sndiod virtual devices and hardware devices, but you can set AUDIOPLAYDEVICE and AUDIORECDEVICE to different devices if you want
15:13 < pardis> in other words, you can't do it in sndiod but you can do it in applications that use libsndio with environment variables
15:15 < kn> which is quite handy if you want "regular" sound (browser, notifications, whatever) on notebook quiet notebook speakers, but music on loud external ones
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15:17 < kn> downside is that AUDIO*DEVICE are fixed, so changes need program restarts. sndioctl server.device flips the default at runtime, but that obviously doesn't effect AUDIO*DEVICE overrides
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15:19 < kn> consus: no, usb adapters liks creative's bt-w* are still you best bet, i guess
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15:20 < consus> thx
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17:00 < thyssentishman> does anyone know if system ressources are limited for scripts run from the terminal? I'm trying to run a python script for a pretty computationally intensive task for university and the time estimate for the task is 200 hours even though we were told that it should take around a day or so on average
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17:01 < thyssentishman> this makes me wonder if the resources on openbad are limited for processes
17:01 < thyssentishman> any suggestions to increase performance?
17:02 < thyssentishman> for context, the task is to perform a correlation power analysis attack on AES encryption with 5000 power traces and 300k samples each
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17:05 < GnarledHorn> top (1) and vmstat (8) could provide some insight on the activity of your system. You can see if other processes are taking up resources or if your system is suffering from too many context switches or interrupts
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17:07 < thyssentishman> GnarledHorn: I'm literally only running the script on xterm on dwm
17:07 < thyssentishman> nothing else
17:07 < thyssentishman> I could try running it from a tty though
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17:09 < thyssentishman> the PC im using has a Core i5-6500T and 4gb of RAM
17:09 < vortexx> thyssentishman: man login.conf, you could tweak some resources in there for your user
17:10 < thyssentishman> vortexx: what resources would be relevant in this case?
17:10 < thyssentishman> can't I just give this task the highest priority somehow?
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17:10 < thyssentishman> like all possible system resources?
17:10 < op2> thyssentishman: could still be interesting to look at top(1) to understand how much load you have on the system and what the python script is doing
17:15 < visl> i'm trying to increase the number of open files my user can have. i have created a new class /etc/login.conf.d/visl with `visl:\  :openfiles-cur=8000:\  :openfiles-max=16000:\  :tc=staff:` (where double spaces are new lines+indents). i've executed usermod -L visl visl to update my user's login-class. then i run cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf, reboot, login, and check via ulimit -a. i still have the
17:15 < visl> default 512(cur)/1024(max) for the staff class.  how do i increase the limit of open files for my user? 
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17:18 < thyssentishman> op2: alright I'll check it out. Here's the Python script for more context: https://0x0.st/H0Fe.py
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17:20 < op2> oh, seeing that's numpy (which i know zero about), couldn't it be that on linux it uses some optimizations that are not available/not implemented on openbsd?
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17:25 < thyssentishman> op2: that I wouldn't know, but I'm thinking of trying on Linux too to see if that makes a difference
17:25 < thyssentishman> I'd like to make it work on openbsd though
17:26 < thrig> openbsd is generally not a speed champ
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17:59 < harpia> Hey, what CLI tool do you use to download files? On Linux I would use wget. It didn't come pre-installed on OpenBSD, so I wonder if there's another equivalent tool.
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17:59 < op2> harpia: most of the times, ftp(1) (despite the name, handles http/s too)
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18:01 < harpia> Ah! I googled "openbsd cli download file" and it the ftp manpage was the first result, but I didn't know it could do it. Thanks.
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18:34 < cjs> pardis: kn: Relevant man page(s) or other documentation for AUDIOPLAYDEVICE + AUDIORECDEVICE ? That sounds like it could be exactly what I need, esp. if either Firefox or (ungoogled-)chromium is packaged with libsndio and env variables, for video lecture recording, conference calls, etc.
18:35 < phy1729> man -k any=AUDIOPLAYDEVICE points to sndio(7)
18:35 < cjs> Or, ofc, blog post from solene or jcs or whatever -- this sounds like a very common 'i need to solve this problem' type thing for us professional desktop users
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18:48 < apotheon> I know I've seen ethernet cables with hinged, spring-loaded retention clips, some years back, but now I have no idea how to find them again.  Does anyone here have any idea how to find those?
18:48 < cjs> phy1729: Thanks. I will test setting env variables AUDIOPLAYDEVICE and AUDIORECDEVICE to use 2 separate audio devices concurrently in Firefox and Chromium when I get the chance in the next day and report back here -- for the curious :)
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18:49 < apotheon> For uses where I have to attach and detach network cables regularly, those flimsy bendy plastic retention clips on the RJ45 plugs just don't hold up for long.
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19:31 < Filystyn> guys
19:31 < Filystyn> do I need to fetch with pkg_add each linker or they are by defalt all on sys ?
19:32 < Filystyn> I know we have default clang
19:32 < Filystyn> but i would like to run check others 
19:32 < Filystyn> I had few times already situation all works fine on bsd and when i build on linux shit blows up on linking. 
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19:34 < phy1729> Presumably that's due to missing libs or headers, but also sounds like you should ask the channel of whatever OS it isn't working on (with a pastebin of the error)
19:34 < Filystyn> nah the libs are there it's my project
19:34 < Filystyn> all stuff is passed as it should
19:36 < Filystyn> seems bfd is there but not gold
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19:45 < Filystyn> phy1729 after changing on bfd linker problem appeared as on linux, seems the order of passed arguments  on linking can matter as I was told ;-)  moving file.o as first argument fixed all stuff
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21:28 < SNAX_74> Do Linux binaries work on OpenBSD 7.4 ?
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21:28 < thrig> what gave you that idea?
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21:31 < sibiria> SNAX_74: not anymore
21:31 < SNAX_74> sibiria, Thats what I thought
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21:32 < sibiria> you're some 12 years late for the funeral
21:32 < sibiria> linux compat was removed late 2000s or so
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21:32 < SNAX_74> sibiria, I came over from FreeBSD/NomadBSD
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21:33 < mischief> if you want linux you know where to find it
21:33 < sibiria> a shame, in my opinion. it was pretty darned useful at times
21:34 < metavoid> I think vmd solves this pretty well
21:34 < SNAX_74> mischief, I had to use Ubuntu Linux to build a portable USB OpenBSD pendrive
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21:37 < SNAX_74> mischief, using QEMU emulator
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21:38 < metavoid> couldn't you just dd the openbsd installer img to the usb stick, then plugin the stick and install OpenBSD on the same stick?
21:38 < oldlaptop> the issue as nearly as I can recall was that COMPAT_LINUX was pretty far along the way to all the way broken (instead of just sort of half-broken), and there wasn't anyone stepping up to do the very substantial amount of work that would be needed to avoid that eventuality
21:38 < metavoid> installer runs from memory anyway
21:39 < oldlaptop> (it'd also be even more prohibitive now that it was i386-only)
21:39 < sibiria> as far as i recall it, nobody felt like maintaining the compatibility libs. that is, updating libc and such to a newer base
21:39 < sibiria> by the time it was removed it had been sitting on an outdated RHEL thing for a long time
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21:42 < SNAX_74> metavoid, I used these directions to create a portable USB pen OPENBSD - > https://liveusb-openbsd.sourceforge.io/docs/creating-your-own/creating-your-own/
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21:43 < sibiria> SNAX_74: there already is such a thing. google FUGUITA
21:43 < SNAX_74> metavoid, Then I used Balena Etcher to CLONE the USB stick to other hard drives - >https://etcher.balena.io/
21:43 < SNAX_74> sibiria, I tried that it sucks so I had to create my own OPENBSD on a USB drive
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21:44 < SNAX_74> metavoid, So far it worled well
21:45 < metavoid> SNAX_74: what is your goal? if just running it on the stick, you shouldn't have to go through all those steps..
21:46 < SNAX_74> metavoid, it was a project I tried in my spare time and it worked well
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21:47 < metavoid> yeah...but the goal...
21:47 < SNAX_74> metavoid, It was my own personalized OpenBSD
21:47 < metavoid> depending on what you want to achieve...there are various ways todo things...some complex and some not
21:48 < metavoid> so not a live iso-thing?
21:48 < metavoid> just a regular install on a stick?
21:48 < SNAX_74> metavoid, Yes
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21:49 < metavoid> so you could had just performed the install on the stick it self from the installer running on the same stick
21:49 < metavoid> saving probably 30 steps and 2000 ads
21:49 < SNAX_74> metavoid, Well it worked great for me anyways
21:50 < sibiria> well, no wonder fuguita "sucked". it's a live version of openbsd. not just openbsd but installed on USB storage
21:50 < thrig> xkcd://763
21:51 < AmyMalik> It's 2024 and "xkcd" is now a URL scheme
21:51  * oldlaptop wonders how many things exist that actually handle it
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21:53 < thrig> all my relevant url handling tools
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21:54 < AmyMalik> thrig, ...¿
21:54 < sibiria> do the same tools also display images? :PppP::pP.pp
21:55 < quinq> like ytdl://
21:55 < quinq> All good renderers support it.
21:55 < oldlaptop> w3m running in xterm does, but if w3m handles xkcd:// that's news to me
21:55 < thrig> ow maps it to xkcd which knows what cache directory or URL to chat with
21:55 < AmyMalik> i bet thrig has written e.g. ~/.local/bin/begin-armadillo
21:56 < SNAX_74> sibiria, Fuguita OpenBSD is kind of a waste of time
21:56 < thrig> ow could also map it to w3m or chunky chortleware if need be
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21:58 < SNAX_74> sibiria, It crashs a lot
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