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00:13 < avemestr> Seems to be a problem with OpenSSL changing behaviour and a different common software (postfix, php, and more) playing catch-up. Another proposed workaround is in main.cf to set tls_ssl_options to 0x80 in order to enable SSL_OP_IGNORE_UNEXPECTED_EOF.
00:14 < avemestr> I wonder if there's a reason some dudes decided to create alternatives to postfix and OpenSSL...
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00:20 < tercaL> avemestr: Oh I was just trying "tls_ssl_options = 0x80", the TLS warning that I posted above disappeared from the log file, but my test emails from Gmail still do not arrive. It just suppresses the warning.
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01:17 < vortexx> tercaL: just downgrade to the previous package then, it's still on the mirrors
01:17 < vortexx> mh then again it isn't
01:18 < vortexx> I guess they trim the old ones off
01:18 < vortexx> (or why I built my own packages)
01:18 < vortexx> s/built/build
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02:10 < jason123onirc> I have a laptop with an atheros wifi card and its telling me no dhcp address on interface ath0 in 30 seconds when I go to configure wifi   
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04:43 < rnkn> damn I love rcctl
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04:58 < uuidNuniq> i changed the cpu core from 2 to 8 for OpenBSD guest in QEMU, the cpu usage is very high... 
05:00 < uuidNuniq> i can't even ssh into it... login also very slow
05:00 < uuidNuniq> reorder_kernel is running ?
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05:04 < uuidNuniq> ok, after like 5mins, it's normal now. 
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05:12 < uuidNuniq> if i change cpu from 8 to 1, it boots much faster and there is no issue ssh into it
05:13 < uuidNuniq> i think i am already using : OpenBSD 7.4 (GENERIC.MP)
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09:07 < sonya> tercaL: how is rspamd?
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09:17 < tercaL> sonya: Oh it worked fine after full removal and re install.
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09:23 < sonya> tercaL: here's a simple script to be executed as 'root' and it require installed 'pkglocatedb' and 'bzip2':  https://clbin.com/6fyGz   . it checks any 'leftover' from previous obsd version left in /.* /b* /altroot /sbin /etc /var /root /usr , except /usr/local . it left the results as /tmp/orphans_filelist.bz2  as diff/patch file. very useful for check and removal of (old) libraries from /usr/lib  
09:23 < sonya> /usr/X11R6/lib and just for overall review.. imho..
09:23 < sonya> tercaL: ok, i just remembered one 'little thing' just incase
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09:27 < sonya> glad all is set
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09:30 < tercaL> sonya: Thanks for this, definitely give it a check. By the way, under FreeBSD, I usually execute; "pkg autoremove" whenever I remove a package, so that any little packages/dependencies remaining as leftover, could be cleaned as well, and I can say that it performs super fine. Is there any equivalent of this on OpenBSD?
09:31 < sonya> pkg_delete -as
09:31 < sonya> for review
09:33 < sonya> there's no direct equivalent, because after pkg removal the entry from /var/db is deleted and no relation could be established for current packages with the removed one
09:34 < sonya> before pkg_delete it makes sence, imho, to run smth like this: https://clbin.com/DXDkb
09:34 < sonya> very simple and gives overview of dependencies, which could be deleted if not needed
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09:37 < sonya> it's recommended somewhere, afair, to perform # pkg_delete -a after upgrade or as a cleanup on regular basis, but, imho, it's a bit dangerous and it's best to review before any action: # pkg_delete -as
09:40 < sonya> oh and btwi'm not good at FreeBSD.. it seems that "pkg autoremove" is identical to obsd'd "pkg_delete -a" .. it just wipes all automatically installed packages
09:43 < sonya> but, here we have an option: # pkg_add -a $foo and it marks $foo as autoinstalled (as dependency for smth).. so, imho, it's best to review first BEFORE any action..
09:44 < sonya> there's a lot of words and i'm sorry for that
09:51 < tercaL> sonya: not at all, very helpful opinions and ideas, thanks for them. "pkg_delete -as" seems promising, as it now lists ".libs-clamav-1.0.3: ok" for instance, I already don't have clamav anymore, safe to proceed I think.
09:52 < tercaL> And https://clbin.com/DXDkb did not return anything, except the echoed underlines.
09:55 < sonya> https://clbin.com/DXDkb  is to be run before you wish to delete $pkg .  in form of sh ./script pkgname1 [pkgname2... pkgnamen]
09:56 < sonya> tercaL: exactly things like ".libs-clamav-1.0.3: ok" are to be deleted
09:57 < sonya> test: $ pkg_delete -s ".libs-clamav-1.0.3"
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09:58 < sonya> or: $ pkg_info | grep -E ^\.
09:58 < tercaL> sonya: Returns .libs-clamav-1.0.3: ok /dev/sd0a on /: -11982528 bytes
09:58 < sonya> yes, it shows the estimated free space and tells that it's safe to delete
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09:59 < sonya> otherwise it'd show dependencies if any
10:00 < pardis> if 'pkg_delete -as' shows that it would delete it, it's already known that it has nothing depending on it
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10:01 < sonya> pardis: yes in short.. but i had some.. how to express.. example: there was a kind of ".ffmpeg-libs" or smth VERY strange
10:03 < sonya> and i looked into to get what's inside and how it could get to the point
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10:05 < sonya> or right now i have $ pkg_delete -as -> "yt-dlp-2023.11.16: ok"  "vorbis-tools-1.4.2: ok" and i know that this is useful 
10:05 < sonya> still
10:05 < sonya> they're installed as audodeps but i need'em still.. that's the point
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10:10 < pardis> then why do you have them marked as automatic installations?
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10:11 < sonya> it's not me :)).. they're installed as audodeps some time ago and i just keep'em that way
10:11 < pardis> that's not an answer to why
10:12 < sonya> may be cause i'm a lazy person ?
10:12 < pardis> is it lazier to keep writing your own scripts on top of the package system to work around the fact that you have incorrectly marked packages instead of running one pkg_add command to mark them as manual installations?
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10:19 < sonya> it is. because some autoinstalled pkgs are used for a 'manually' build ones here.. or another example: pip install (into ~/.local) checks system and local components.. and when i delete a system app (py related) i have an autoinstalled leftovers (and a recent one in ~/.local/bin).. so instead of check and reinstall required autoinstalled pkgs i prefer to review the picture..
10:20 < pardis> that still doesn't explain why you don't bother to fix the incorrectly marked packages when you do such a review
10:20 < pardis> that just means you have to keep reviewing the same packages every single time
10:21 < sonya> once after sysupgrade actually
10:22 < pardis> or when you pkg_delete something
10:23 < sonya> i think that i'd manage smth like 'checkinstall' to manage all my local builds in a proper way.. that's the core i guess.. i'm too lazy to dig with ports
10:23 < sonya> yes, before pkg_delete i run https://clbin.com/DXDkb $pkg_foo
10:24 < sonya> and then delete with deps
10:24 < sonya> if needed
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10:25 < sonya> all of this current/modern git with submodules are so boring and..
10:26 < pardis> there's no particular reason to advise other people to run this Rube Goldberg script
10:26  * pardis wonders what the point of 'unset a' is as the last line of a shell script
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10:27 < sonya> just a habit to free variables after the end
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10:30 < tercaL> Oh, so it's used as; https://clbin.com/DXDkb $package_name.. Named it "clean2.sh" and tried it with postfix, ./clean2.sh postfix, It gave list of packages, including; "mariadb-client-10.9.6v1", hoever it wouldn't be safe to remove that, as I have mariadb-server as well, and it's probably using mariadb-client as well, right? Is it possible to have an option in the script, so that the given dependency list will show any other packages using them as well?
10:31 < sonya> sec
10:31 < sonya> here
10:31 < sonya> $ pkg_info $pkg shows among other things a list of pkgs, which require a $pkg
10:32 < sonya> ./clean2.sh $pkg  shows pkgs, that are required dependencies for a $pkg
10:32 < pardis> or, if you want a less confusing path, just delete whatever packages you want and then use 'pkg_delete -as' to find out which ones have nothing depending on them
10:33 < tercaL> pardis: good one, too
10:33 < sonya> so ./clean2.sh postfix will show all prerequisites for postfix, which could be not safe to delete because they're serving as deps for others
10:33 < tercaL> sonya: Yes, and possible to have ./clean2.sh $pkg shows pkgs that are required dependencies for a $pkg *and any other $pkgs*?
10:34 < sonya> sure
10:34 < sonya> but it'd require some tweak
10:34 < pardis> good thing pkg_delete already has the functionality you actually need
10:35 < sonya> ^ ++ this
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10:35 < sonya> because $pkg_delete -s $pkg will show'em all
10:35 < tercaL> Oh, got it!
10:36 < sonya> so after $ pkg_delete -s "mariadb-client-10.9.6v1" you'll see all pkgs that depend on "mariadb-client-10.9.6v1"
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10:37 < tercaL> Tried it, yeah; "can't delete mariadb-client-10.9.6v1 without deleting dovecot-mysql-2.3.20v0 mariadb-server-10.9.6v1 p5-DBD-MariaDB-1.22 postfix-3.8.20221007p12-sasl2-mysql"
10:37 < tercaL> Good.
10:37 < sonya> i wrote https://clbin.com/DXDkb (./clean2.sh) just to get the all prerequisites
10:38 < sonya> all installed prerequisites
10:39 < sonya> or required dependencies for a $pkg in other words..
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10:41 < tercaL> I have clamav-1.1.2, not 1.0.3 anymore, but itseems I still have its orphan libraries and so on.. Very good way to keep the system clean, thank you both!
10:41 < tercaL> As it's clearly shown here; https://pastebin.mozilla.org/tWqNqsnY
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10:42 < tercaL> And the overall list; https://pastebin.mozilla.org/Xn86Ch6U
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10:45 < sonya> tercaL: yeah, all pkgs starting with ^\. (leading dot) are stubs (leftovers/orphans from previous system version).. safe (and advised) to delete.. just keep an eye on "regular" pkgs if any from $ pkg_delete -as ..
10:46 < sonya> or reinstall'em as manually picked/installed if needed or remove if not 
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10:50 < tercaL> yep
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10:55 < sonya> and maybe for less confusion it'd nice to $ mv ./clean2.sh ./pkg_required_by.sh   …  as it's exactly what script does
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10:59 < tcht> o/ everyone
11:00 < tcht> I think firefox keeps freezing up my entire system, only solution I came up with was a hard reboot
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11:01 < avemestr> Perhaps time to fire the fox!
11:01 < tcht> I checked /var/log/{messages,Xorg.0.log.old} but can't find any related error, can anyone give me any pointers on how to debug?
11:01 < tcht> thanks in advance :)
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11:02 < tcht> avemestr: I just switched to firefox from ungoogled-chromium just for kicks, didn't want to give up that easy haha
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11:04 < sonya> tcht: here's what i added to /etc/syslog.conf  .. 3 lines to trace emergency, errors and warnings:
11:04 < sonya> *.crit;kern,authpriv,auth.none                          /var/log/emergency
11:04 < tcht> I _suspect_ it's happening when I switch windows to something else but I'm not entirely sure, happened twice in two days since I made the switch
11:04 < sonya> *.err;kern,authpriv,auth.none                           /var/log/errors
11:04 < sonya> *.warning;kern,authpriv,auth.none                       /var/log/warnings
11:05 < tcht> thanks sonya I'll try adding those :)
11:05 < sonya> then # touch /var/log/{emergency,errors,warnings} and adjust /etc/newsyslog.conf
11:06 < sonya> now i have /var/log/emergency if fire burns the house, /var/log/errors with critical/emergency AND errors , plus /var/log/warnings for all the above and warnings
11:07 < sonya> just to simplify the error lookup
11:12 < tcht> done, thanks again sonya :)
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11:20 < sonya> tcht: # rcctl restart syslogd  .. to reload config
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13:07 < pardis> no, that is overkill and may cause logs to be lost
13:07 < pardis> use reload, not restart
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15:31 < luna> https://live.fosdem.org/watch/k4201 ntp on OpenBSD talk at FOSDEM 2024 now
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15:43 < jfsimon1981> Hello, sorry to bother for this, do you know where the C and C++ headers are for clang standard build system
15:44 < jfsimon1981> i need copy them over locally to help codeblocks iterate, but can't seem to get the right ones
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15:56 < IcePic> jfsimon: for the OS compilers, most OS headers should be under /usr/include, the actual compiler comes with /usr/lib/clang/16/include/ for instance
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15:59 < jfsimon> Ok thank you
16:01 < jfsimon> do you know what's this one /usr/include/c++/v1
16:04 < jca> those are headers for libc++
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16:05 < jca> copying them to your system doesn't sound like a good idea
16:05 < jca> better debug (with or without codeblocks) on a dedicated OpenBSD machine
16:06 < jfsimon> Except my mistake codeblocks can't go parse at the original location
16:07 < jfsimon> codeblocks runs on the machine locally, it will parse a copy on a user directory with user rights
16:07 < jfsimon> Something like this, but it can't parse at default directory (except my mistake)
16:08 < jca> well either there's a problem on your install, or codeblocks is being silly
16:08 < jca> hard to guess
16:09 < jca> my 2 cents.  afk
16:09 < jfsimon> I don't know but it doesn't like the c++ header in c++/v1 either.
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16:14 < jfsimon> Found it, it wants the directories (including the c++/v1) in the additional search path and will only work with relative path.
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18:23 < amnesiac> Hi. Why xscreensaver from openbsd 7.4 says "Update Available. This version is very old" ? :)
18:24 < amnesiac> it's 6.05 and says 2022
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18:41 < avemestr> amnesiac: The author of xscreensaver really hate it when OSes does not update to the latest version at his whim. Because "xscreensaver is security". Yet, from the release notes there doesn't seem to be any relevant security fixes / improvements between 6.05 and 6.08.
18:42 < avemestr> He has a wonderful blog and a big open source legacy, though, so there's that.
18:42 < amnesiac> avemestr, understood
18:42 < amnesiac> thank you
18:42 < avemestr> The Debian folks did the nasty thing and simply removed the nag. But I notice sthen has updated it to 6.08 yesterday in OpenBSD.
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18:43 < amnesiac> at first I decided that i missed something getting cvs :)
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18:44 < avemestr> A good bit of drama: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703
18:44 < thrig> removing nagware would be an obvious patch (I do this for various forth and lisp that have startup noise/license spam)
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18:48 < avemestr> The FreeBSD guys has also experienced it: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201254 (they updated it, didn't remove the nag itself)
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18:50 < avemestr> amnesiac: So, I think the short version is: Live with it until 7.5 is released or switch to current and get the latest version with pkg_add -u.
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18:54 < amnesiac> avemestr, I just curious about the cause
18:54 < amnesiac> you answered. Thank you.
18:54 < lts> That author is incredibly obnoxious in the debian bug ticket.
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19:36 < ssm_> honestly that's the point where I just fork the project and ignore everything the author says. it's not like something like xscreensaver would be that hard to maintain
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21:22 < Guest6210> Hi, I have installed a new 7.4 to be my new router/firewall. I plan to run it using carp. For most of my interfaces I have not configured any IP's. Only shares one on the carp interface.
21:23 < Guest6210> Now i run into pf blocking my traffic is it sees the traffic on the physical interface and not the carp interface. But I can use the physical interface in PF, because there is no ip
21:23 < Guest6210> Any ideas?
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21:31 < echelon> Guest7282: i don't understand, why do you have carp on your router? do you have a fallback router?
21:31 < echelon> oops.. Roedy *
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21:56 < Maximillion> Hi, is there anyone willing to help me understand a little bit of networking?
21:56 < thrig> so what you need is an old boy's club, and they help get you a nice job, and
21:57 < Maximillion> lol
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22:02 < SNAX_74> Maximillion, you need that OpenBSD book by Michael Lucas its a good read
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22:05 < Roedy> echelon: Yes i plan to have a fallback router
22:06 < SNAX_74> everytime I run syspatch I get this message - >  Unsupported release: 7.4-current
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22:08 < thrig> man syspatch | grep sole
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22:09 < artsi0m> Hello there. What should I do if my wifi firmware stopped working on snapshot ?
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22:10 < echelon> Roedy: i've only used ucarp, so i don't have firsthand knowledge of how openbsd's carp works, but from my understanding, you need a static ip in addition to the carp ip
22:10 < echelon> on the same subnet
22:11 < SNAX_74> man syspatch | grep sole
22:12 < artsi0m> I rebooted into another OS and fetched firmware from snapshot directory into shared partition, but still. 
22:12 < oldlaptop> artsi0m: What do you mean when you say the "firmware stopped working"?
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22:15 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: There was an error message on xconsole that said something about iwm driver and firmware. Sorry, I've should be copy it somewhere, but I haven't
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22:16 < oldlaptop> Did any other observable problems accompany this event?
22:17 < oldlaptop> (and probably most importantly, are there any observable problems with that network interface now?)
22:18 < oldlaptop> the iwm driver (like more or less all drivers on OpenBSD) has a manual page that lists all the messages (under DIAGNOSTICS) it should be able to emit in dmesg (which is generally what you'll see in xconsole): https://man.openbsd.org/iwm
22:18 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: Nope, now there are no problem. But that now takes places on another OS 
22:19 < oldlaptop> some of those ("firmware too short") could indicate some problem you can actually solve in principle by doing things like copying firmware files around; some are just bugs (in the driver, or in intel's firmware)
22:21 < oldlaptop> in particular, if the firmware crashes, and there's nothing new from fw_update... really you just let the driver reset the thing and go on with your day.
22:21 < artsi0m> Yeah, it was that error, or the one before, because I remember seening numbers in it.
22:22 < Roedy> echelon: Alright. That is exactly what I have just added. Then changed all my macros to the physical interfaces
22:22 < Roedy> echelon: And now it loads and works
22:22 < echelon> Roedy: awesome :)
22:22 < oldlaptop> If the file is corrupted somehow, you really should start by addressing the more general problem that there are random corrupted files on your disk
22:23 < oldlaptop> (is it failing? did you happen to do an unclean poweroff while fw_update was running? is there some other serious hardware problem?)
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22:25 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: Not an unclean poweroff, but  autohibernate by apmd.
22:25 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: I guess with unclean poweroff I would get clock reset
22:26 < oldlaptop> No, probably not, unless the machine doesn't have a working RTC (i.e. dead battery)
22:27 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: Anyway, when I booted into there was message about unhibernate
22:27 < oldlaptop> the main thing you'd get from an unclean poweroff is filesystem weirdness affecting write operations that happen to be in flight; normally I wouldn't expect anything to be touching /etc/firmware unless fw_update is actually running (which seems unlikely)
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22:28 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: Yeah, you probably right and this is firmware too short error
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22:39 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: What it means to reset firmware by driver? Try to reload file from disk? I also remember seeing that error message twice
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22:53 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: Thanks for the guidance. I think, I will report on bugs if it will get serious
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23:01 < oldlaptop> artsi0m: The driver "resets the hardware" all by itself.
23:01 < oldlaptop> (I believe that process would involve rereading the firmware from disk, offhand, but I haven't checked the source code.)
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23:04 < artsi0m> oldlaptop: Yep, I get that driver reset all by itself. Sorry for miscommunication, English is not my mother tongue
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23:21 < basiic> Hello dear community! I seek for help to set up obsdfreqd. On site https://git.sr.ht/~solene/obsdfreqd it states ¨Create /etc/rc.d/obsdfreqd with this content and make it executable:¨. My question is how to make it executable?
23:21 < sibiria> you can just add the package. it's included in the ports since 7.4 (or maybe even 7.3, i forgot)
23:22 < oldlaptop> in general you "make a file executable" by setting the +x permission bit with chmod(1)
23:22 < oldlaptop> (though in this specific case you probably want to let the package do that for you)
23:22 < sibiria> pkg_add obsdfreqd; rcctl enable obsdfreqd; rcctl set obsdfreqd flags -what -setting -you -want
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23:29 < basiic> Thank you a lot dear community
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