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07:25 < __gilles> hello
07:27 < quinq> o/
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08:28 < danielcamiel> hi which install ISO do I download if I want to burn to DVD and boot from a USB DVD drive?
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08:30 < danielcamiel> I've tried install74.iso and it doesn't show up as an option in the boot menu, and I've tried install74.img and it doesn't even go to the boot menu
08:31 < mischief> what hardware is this?
08:31 < kfv> danielcamiel: ISO should be fine if you're writing for CD-ROMs, but for memsticks the disk image is what you want to go with. But if it's failing, what's your environment?
08:32 < kfv> hardware/hypervisor/etc.
08:32 < danielcamiel> umm, it's a lenovo ideapad duet 3
08:32 < kfv> How are you making a bootable media? `dd`-ing to the USB thumb?
08:33 < danielcamiel> infrarecorder on windows
08:33 < danielcamiel> burning a DVD
08:33 < kfv> Well, I don't know what that is, but OK, if you're burning a DVD, the ISO file's what you need, but... well, let me see what that infrarecorder is.
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08:35 < kfv> Followed this link?
08:35 < kfv> http://dai-videotutes.blogspot.com/2007/07/ifrarecorder-burning-iso.html
08:36 < danielcamiel> umm I haven't seen it
08:36 < kfv> Or this one, maybe: http://opensourceweekly.com/2008/09/learn-how-to-burn-cds-for-free-using-infrarecorder/
08:37 < danielcamiel> basically I just selected write image and set it to the lowest speed setting then wrote the ISO to a blank DVD
08:38 < kfv> BTW, are you picking the right architecture?
08:38 < danielcamiel> amd64
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08:38 < danielcamiel> I think that's the right one
08:39 < kfv> I thought IdeaPad 3 devices are using snapdragon which is Aarch64 IIRC
08:40 < kfv> If 'tis AArch64, that's why it ain't showing anything for ya.
08:40 < danielcamiel> oh
08:40 < kfv> Double check the arch.
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08:40 < danielcamiel> it says x64-based PC in system information
08:41 < kfv> Alright...
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08:42 < kfv> Well, I have no idea then :-)
08:42 < IcePic> perhaps try setting up pxe-boot of bsd.rd and do network install?
08:44 < danielcamiel> intel x64 is amd64 right?
08:45 < danielcamiel> I might try booting from a usb drive if this doesn't work heh
08:46 < danielcamiel> use the IMG for that yeah?
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08:54 < kfv> AFAIK x64 is a backward-compatible extension of x86 supporting both 64-bit mode and 32-bit mode, so it's not different from either Intel 64 or AMD64, and is also referred to as x86_64.
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08:54 < kfv> I'm not familiar enough with CISC architectures, though, so I might be wrong.
08:55 < kfv> But yeah, I guess you should use amd64 files.
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08:56 < danielcamiel> ok, thanks :D
08:58 < mischief> oh, what's your favorite architecture to run openbsd on, kfv ? :-D
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08:59 < a2800276> old thinkpad, raspberry (but I'm purely hobbyist)
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09:03 < kfv> mischief: arm64 and riscv64.
09:04 < kfv> My servers are all amd64 ATM, though.
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09:23 < rnkn> doas relayd need to be reloaded if the the webserver executable gets renamed?
09:28 < IcePic> no. relayd doesn't start webservers, it just redirects traffic to its tcp ports
09:29 < IcePic> (unless I have missed something fundamental)
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09:32 < rnkn> my webserver was serving on :8080 but not resolving on :443, which relayd redirects to :8080; is there any reason why reloading relayd fixed this issue?
09:32 < rnkn> I mean, I'm glad it's fixed but I'd like to know why
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09:41 < pardis> "not resolving"?
09:42 < Roedy> I am trying to get my pf to forward traffic to a transparant proxy. but i keep seing errors like Fetching original destination failed. Closing. any idea what i am doind wrong?
09:42 < pardis> "resolving" typically refers to DNS resolution, which has nothing to do with ports (unless you're using a SRV record but nobody uses SRV records)
09:46 < natmeo> Roedy: your proxy is configured as http proxy and not as transparent proxy
09:47 < Roedy> natmeo: It shouldn't be, but ill test
09:47 < natmeo> Roedy: iirc in squid this is the 'intercept' flag
09:47 < Roedy> natmeo. its actually a tor client with transport set
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09:48 < natmeo> i remember this error shows up when the proxy expects a connect protocol and you're trying to feed it http
09:49 < natmeo> how this works w/tor i have no idea
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09:49 < Roedy> the tor client has both a socks port and a trans port
09:49 < Roedy> If i configure the socks port and configure firefox for. it works
09:51 < rnkn> pardis: it was not working on :443, I was just using "resolving" colloquially
09:51 < rnkn> reloading relayd fixed it, but I don't know why
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09:53 < rnkn> the difficulty started when I renamed the webserver script , so I was wondering if this would necessitate reloading relayd
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10:06 < pardis> "not working" is still not a very precise problem description
10:06 < pardis> it's generally a good idea to be specific if you want specific answers
10:09 < rIMpossible>  /21
10:10 < rIMpossible> Sry
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10:12 < rnkn> pardis: do you know why renaming a webserver script woudl necessitate reloading relayd?
10:15 < pardis> N/A
10:15 < rnkn> pardis: if you don't know that's fine
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10:47 < pardis> I neither know nor don't know
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10:47 < pardis> because the question has an invalid premise so it cannot be known
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11:39 < remiliascarlet> When statically compiling a program using the OpenGL and GLU libraries, I get errors like `error: ld.lld: undefined symbol: glTranslatef` and 85 others, whereas if I compile dynamically, no such errors show up. Inspecting the libraries with readelf, I notices that `glTranslatef` only exists in the dynamic library, but not in the right library (there only is an __indirect_glTranslatef though).
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12:19 < rnkn> pardis: so you don't know then, that's all
12:20 < rnkn> I would like to know, so it seems you cannot be of help
12:23 < pardis> you can't know the reason for something that isn't the case
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12:33 < __gilles> who was it tht asked about guitar plugging to OpenBSD ?
12:34 < __gilles> I plugged the Positive Grid RIFF audio interface, it attached immediately as uaudio and umidi
12:34 < __gilles> <3
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12:58 < tercaL> Is there a way in OpenBSD to see what extra rc.conf.local switches a package has? For instance, under FreeBSD, for Redis, there is redis_enable="YES"
12:58 < tercaL> redis_profiles="redis bayes fuzzy"
12:58 < tercaL> ups sorry for two lines..
12:59 < tercaL> *but also redis_profiles="redis bayes fuzzy", any way to check if the redis in OpenBSD's package has similar flags?
12:59 < tercaL> (trying to set multiple instances of Redis under OpenBSD)
13:01 < sibiria> afaik there's onlt "rcctl get <service name> flags"
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13:01 < sibiria> not sure but i don't think rcctl supports supplemental environment variables like such
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13:04 < sibiria> that is, you can't control the stuff inside the rc service file
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13:13 < tercaL> sibiria: so it seems the matter is having multiple .conf files in /etc/redis/, like redis.conf (one instance) and bayes.conf (second instance), and calling them via; redis_flags in rc.conf.local. In order to call the main server; redis_flags=/etc/redis/redis.conf, and for the second instance, I wonder one more "redis_flags" would work in rc.conf.local file, like; redis_flags=/etc/redis/bayes.conf
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13:14 < sibiria> tercaL: no that doesn't work. you'll need to recreate separate services with distinct names
13:14 < sibiria> redis, redis2 etc.
13:14 < tercaL> or perhaps there might be some FreeBSD-like, "+redis_flags" in rc.conf.local?
13:15 < tercaL> sibiria: I see..hmm.
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13:15 < sibiria> in this case i think i'd leave the default service, "redis", disabled and untouched
13:16 < sibiria> and just duplicate my own such, e.g. redis_a, _b, _c etc.
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13:24 < pardis> making symlinks to the original should also work instead of duplicates
13:24 < pardis> that way you pick up updates to the packaged script
13:26 < sibiria> yeah just symlink them, enable and set their "flags" to point to each distinct config
13:28 < tercaL> Are we talking about /etc/rc.d scripts? symlinking to where, any example please?
13:30 < sibiria> yes. those service file scripts are what defines the presence of a service
13:31 < tercaL> The /etc/rc.d/redis script has; daemon_flags="/etc/redis/redis.conf" this should be set and running as it is. And additionally, one more daemon_flags="/etc/redis/2NDinstance.conf" should be set.
13:33 < tercaL> I do understand creating /etc/rc.d/redis2 and redis2_flags would work fine -I think-, as a second solution, symlinking seems better but how to proceed? I duplicate /etc/rc.d/redis in my home folder, modify it, create a symlink out of it, located in /etc/rc.d?
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13:45 < Lucas6023> tercaL: no, I would `ln -s /etc/rc.d/redis /etc/rc.d/redis_bayes` (order might be wrong--I never remember it) and then `rcctl set redis_bayes flags /etc/redis/bayes.conf`
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13:57 < tercaL> Lots of hair left.
13:57 < tercaL> dmesg -s shows; "starting package daemons: mysqld clamd redis redis_bayes (failed)", gave it up and added "/usr/local/bin/redis-server /etc/redis/bayes.conf" in /etc/rc.local, rebooted, both instances are running now. Details here in case of any care; 
13:57 < tercaL> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/jPZ1TCRw
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13:58 < tercaL> Lucas6023: Very good suggestion, though, no idea how it did not work..
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14:10 < Lucas6023> try running `rcctl -d start redis_bayes`, which might give some additional clues about why it didn't start. Same for checking the logs. Both are using the same `/var/run/redis` directory, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are issues regarding use of files in there (control sockets and stuff like that)
14:11 < Lucas6023> you'll probably also want a different pexp: the current one will probably kill one that shouldn't
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14:14 < tercaL> Lucas6023: in bayes.conf, I already set a different socket name and different log name.. I see your point.
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14:52 < basiic>  sorry for my level of understanding, could someone tell the location of dwm package (installed executing pkg_add)?
14:54 < op2> basiic: you mean the executable?  /usr/local/bin/dwm
14:54 < op2> (see also pkg_info -L $package_name)
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15:00 < basiic> Thank you, op2. I assume that was not a good idea to install via package, because how on earth to configure?
15:00 < op2> the package ships with (more or less) the default configuration
15:01 < op2> i think you can either use the port infrastructure to build it (with your own set of patches on top), or just compile it locally
15:02 < op2> to be fair, for dwm i think the second option is the easier.  just build it and drop it in ~/bin
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15:08 < basiic> oh, i removed by executing pkg_delete dwm, then removed ¨exec dwm¨ from .xsession, then logged out and now cant log in back
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15:10 < basiic> how to set the default windows manager again?
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15:12 < basiic> oh, i can access TTY, from where i can add f.ex. exec cwm
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16:16 < jmcunx> edit ~/.xsession
16:17 < jmcunx> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html
16:18 < sibiria> __gilles: in opensmtpd i use virtual tables to map specific addresses (and catch-alls) across multiple domains to local users, but whenever there's no match for "virtual <table>" opensmtpd will bounce with a sort of misleading message that confuse senders
16:19 < sibiria> along the lines of "error in expansion of mailing list recipient", kinda
16:19 < sibiria> i wonder if there's a way to achieve a designated error response as for a regular alias table, to explicitly state "recipient doesn't exist"
16:20 < sibiria> in a lot of cases when people "mis-mail" me they don't understand the default bounce error and just keep trying, sometimes over and over
16:22 < IcePic> "I AM THE FORMER MINISTER OF EMAIL IN NIGERIA AND I AM TRYING TO MAIL SIBIRIA"
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16:22 < sibiria> 450 SIBIRIA ALREADY A BILLIONNAIRE
16:23 < sibiria> 452 BANK ACCOUNT TOO FULL
16:23 < sibiria> etc.
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16:38 < Tekk> Does anyone know if mpd is patched to pledge on openbsd?
16:38 < Tekk> Err, unveil in this case.
16:38 < Tekk> I just installed it and it's able to read the music directory but when I try to add them it says the files don't exist
16:39 < Tekk> It's running as my user, so that ain't it.
16:39 < thrig> man ps | grep unveil
16:39 < Tekk> Oh neat
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16:40 < Tekk> That doesn't seem to be it. Thanks thrig 
16:41 < thrig> ktrace is also a thing, to see what NAMI are involved with what files
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16:48 < Tekk> thrig: mpd just has nonsense error messages on files it doesn't understand. No issue at all :)
16:49 < Tekk> "I don't understand what a .m3u file is" apparently translates to "No such file" or "permission denied" depending on what you're trying to do
16:50 < thrig> error reporting is teh hard?
16:50 < Tekk> Seems so
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17:00  * sonya is ok with mpd and read-only music_directory.. Tekk , could it be related to "follow_[in|out]side_symlinks" options?
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19:08 < harpia> I have a Raspberry Pi 4 with a case fan plugged into a GPIO port, and I'm using gpio(4) to control it. So far I can turn the fan ON and OFF, but I couldn't yet find a way to use Pulse-Width Modulation (PWM) to change the fans' speed. There's this pwmfan(4) driver, but it seems to be unrelated to GPIO.
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19:32 < avemestr> basiic: I always keep my root login unaltered, so it is always able to login to fvwm2. From there I can fix my user .xsession if something goes wrong and I cannot login as user. Just a tip.
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19:41 < thrig> others like to install a custom shell for root and then forget to recompile that binary
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19:43 < pardis> OpenBSD provides so many ways to fix things up that you'll almost never be short of one
19:44 < pardis> other than fixing things with a root login, there is also single-user mode and booting into bsd.rd
19:45 < pardis> if all of those are unusable then you probably need to reinstall anyway (or you deselected bsd.rd in the installer because you enjoy pain later)
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20:19 < psy32nd> Hi
20:21  * ssm_ thinks disabling root account is a linux antipattern
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20:21 < ssm_> especially when the alternative is authenticating to root with your user password using doas/sudo
20:23 < thrig> disable root account and then use a glibc vuln to elevate
20:24 < quinq> Disable root login and then ssh into root@localhost
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20:27 < ssm_> create an openbsd vm on vmm(4) and only use the vm instead of your real host
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20:33 < Lucas6023> ssm_: what you consider "bad" of disabling the (password login of) root account? I disable it on all my systems
20:33 < ssm_> Lucas6023: how do you auth to root?
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20:38 < Lucas6023> I do doas when I need to. I don't use root shells.
20:38 < ssm_> so you're allowing your user, using their unprivileged password to auth to root?
20:41 < fettuccine> im interested. I never disabled root but I almost always use doas and rarely go su for when i wanna be root for longer
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20:42 < Lucas6023> yes, I'm using my password. I don't understand the privileged part of the password tho.
20:43 < ssm_> it means that if someone obtains your user's password, they now also have root access
20:43 < fettuccine> true
20:43 < ssm_> if you use a separate root password that's not an issue
20:43 < Lucas6023> it's an issue if someone gets my root password
20:43 < Lucas6023> I don't get how one of the passwords is more secure than the other
20:44 < fettuccine> nah it reduces damage done
20:44 < sibiria> Lucas6023: you have two passwords and two separate "logins"
20:44 < sibiria> e.g. privkey you ssh with might be compromised
20:44 < sibiria> now your convenient doas-everything bonus privs means they also have root
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20:44 < fettuccine> but i dont think doas does that? like it asks for my user's login instead of root's login
20:45 < sibiria> that depends on how you configure it
20:45 < fettuccine> oh interesting. i'll give it a look
20:45 < Lucas6023> sibiria: that example doesn't make sense. And now both my private key and my user password are compromised? o.O
20:45 < sibiria> don't give your regular users superuser doas bonus privs unless they absolutely need it. substitute for root instead, with a unique password, then get out
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20:47 < ssm_> I use doas purely to auth to _pbuild and _pfetch as my source user for ports
20:48 < Lucas6023> that's a really bad suggestion from a security point of view, as it goes against the principle of least priviledged. Now if someone steals your root password (hey, both normal user and root passwords are stored in the same place, so lets not discard only the user password being compromised), that someone gets *full control over root*.
20:48 < ssm_> unfortunately I need to give perl root shell access for the update-plist target
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20:49 < Lucas6023> if you want to propose something of the likes, then have N users, one for each priviledges set, with their own unique password, with a doas restricted to only do the thing they need to do.
20:49 < sibiria> root always needs, and always should have a password. it should always be invoked when you need superuser privs. you should separate root from everyone else, not let regular users tread onto superuser territory for free
20:50 < sibiria> it's counterpoint to security to hand out superuser privs without root's password standing in the way
20:51 < tercaL> I create a user, add it to wheel group, set the user as the only allowed user under sshd's "AllowUser" directive, and then login using it, "su -" whenever I want to turn into a root.
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21:11 < avemestr> The only thing more painful than a discussion about root priviledges is a root canal!
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21:12 < fettuccine> sibiria: not sure we on the same page https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/679867/using-doas-with-root-password-instead-of-user-password
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21:13 < eea> i do wheel membership, and good ol 'doas su -`
21:13 < mystic> fettuccine: are u italian ?
21:13 < fettuccine> mystic: lmao nah i just love pasta
21:13 < uwharrie> you should really install sudo if you want to use that pattern
21:13 < mystic> fettuccine: lol :-D
21:14 < fettuccine> :)
21:15 < eea> not a fan of sudo... even install doas on my linux host
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21:16 < ssm_> `doas su -` belongs firmly in `cat file | command_that_reads_stdin` territory
21:16 < Bradipo> I disagree on that point.
21:16 < uwharrie> come on, at least do `doas sudo su -` so it looks correct
21:16 < ssm_> I guess it gives you clean env
21:16 < Bradipo> doas su is particularly egregious.
21:17 < fettuccine> eea yea it tries to do a lot
21:17 < fettuccine> ssm_ lol yea just `su -`
21:17 < fettuccine> true tho su - is kinda messy unless i do an -l flag
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21:19 < Bradipo> Isn't su - equivalent to su -l ?
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21:20 < fettuccine> o thats true my bad
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21:20 < eea> sudo -I?
21:20 < fettuccine> ig i meant plain su
21:20 < Bradipo> There are reasons to run su without -l, but I typically always want -l.
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21:21 < fettuccine> oh im curious
21:22 < eea>  admittedly, i only use doas su - in extreme fits of laziness
21:22 < eea> generally it is just plain old doas $command
21:22 < Bradipo> Seems like you're not really that lazy then, because su - is much less to type than doas su -.
21:23 < ssm_> muscle memory can be more lazy even if it's more typing
21:23 < eea> but my root pass is like 62 characters
21:24 < eea>  nopass and keepenv in doas.conf
21:24 < eea> heh
21:25 < Bradipo> fettuccine: If you're curious, read the su(1) man page, with particular attention to the second paragraph of DESCRIPTION and the -l description.
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21:27 < fettuccine> Bradipo: o sure thx
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21:52 < fettuccine> Bradipo: i read it but idk i still dont know a usecase for it. looks like it might complicate stuff more cause polluted env
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21:54 < fettuccine> might be useful as other users like maybe _postgres but sounds dangerous to do as root
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22:01 < fettuccine> im thinking now. is `su -lf root -c $COMMAND` literally doas?
22:02 < fettuccine> s/$COMMAND/"$COMMAND"/
22:03 < ssm_> no, because $COMMAND needs to be run in quotes or only the first field will be run, and su uses the root password, not the user password
22:03 < fettuccine> ssm_ yea i wanted to use root passwd. i think the former can be remedied with a script
22:04 < fettuccine> one less package lmao
22:04 < ssm_> doas is in the base system
22:04 < fettuccine> oh damn nvm
22:05 < fettuccine> too much linux fricked my mind up
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22:07 < thrig> also doas picks the first duplicated env (with keepenv) while su picks the last duplicated env
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22:09 < fettuccine> interesting thx
22:10 < vortexx> many hours late but... __gilles ninjin asked about plugging a guitar into OpenBSD
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22:10 < thrig> sudo at some point started screening for duplicate env variables
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