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08:11 < __gilles> hello
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08:17 < lil_lasagna> hello
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08:22 < lil_lasagna> I was wondering if OpenBSD had a semi-generic high-quality hash table that I could reuse for my projects. The linux kernel has rhashtable. I saw ohash for openbsd, but it seems to be barely used inside the codebase. Do most projects just reimplement their most common data structures each time?
08:23 < IcePic> man tree and man queue for some data structures to reuse
08:25 < lil_lasagna> IcePic, what about hash tables? is there a reason why they don't reuse them?
08:25 < IcePic> man hcreate seems to be some kind of hash thing
08:25 < lil_lasagna> IcePic, it is, that's the POSIX one, but it's pretty lackluster. It is also not really used in the openbsd tree
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08:26 < lil_lasagna> (for obvious reasons)
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08:30 < IcePic> some parts of the kernel uses (s)toeplitz to hash network states, but that one is probably not exported to userland as a friendly kit
08:32 < IcePic> my guess is that it would become a large library of many hashes to accomodate all kinds of inputs and expectations and where few would be actually used
08:34 < lil_lasagna> I mean, they already have ohash, so I'm guessing that's the one. It's just that no one really seems to use it, so I got curious
08:35 < IcePic> some of the code (like the _mkdb) uses berkeley db and offloads the hashing to it instead
08:36 < IcePic> hashing-indexing-sorting-handling
08:38 < lil_lasagna> actually I just saw that ohash has not been updated in over 10 years, so I don't think it's really maintained
08:43 < IcePic> or its not broken?
08:43 < IcePic> mandoc seems to use it a lot
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08:46 < lil_lasagna> yes, it could also be feature-complete, no idea
08:46 < IcePic> not saying it is/was optimal, just good enough to not tinker with it all the time
08:46 < IcePic> like /bin/ls might be untouched for a long while
08:47 < lil_lasagna> true true
08:47 < IcePic> using openssl/lhash.h might be worth testing? https://man.openbsd.org/lh_new.3
08:47 < lil_lasagna> uuuh, that one looks juicy. Will check it out later
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08:50 < IcePic> no idea what is underneath it, but openssl is usually available on many platforms, if you want portability
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10:08 < moviuro> Hi all, in crontab(5), I have a daily task `/usr/sbin/pkg_add -vunI|/usr/bin/grep 'Adding'|/usr/bin/grep -v 'Adding quirks-'` and PKG_CACHE=/var/cache/pkg ; this sends me an email if there are package updates. However, I just ran `pkg_add -u` in my shell where PKG_CACHE=/var/cache/pkg as well. stat(1) tells me that the curl package that needed updates was created just as I ran pkg_add -u: 1028
10:08 < moviuro> 855388 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3426760 4174188 "Feb  7 11:04:38 2024" "Feb  7 11:04:40 2024" "Feb  7 11:04:40 2024" 16384 8192 0 /var/cache/pkg/curl-8.6.0.tgz . I was expecting pkg_add to use the cached package, did I miss something?
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11:11 < sonya> moviuro: pkg updates are monitored with email notification dayly by root's crontab (/bin/sh /etc/daily).. PKG_CACHE (for pkg_add) is used to copy pkgs from remote (install_url) to "$PKG_CACHE" if applicable (i.e. dir exist, perms are ok and so on).. there's no mention, that $PKG_CACHE is used for other than to store copies of remotely retrieved packages.. imho..
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11:15 < sonya> ^:%s/dayly/daily
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11:20 < moviuro> sonya: nothing about pkg in daily: grep pkg /etc/daily # empty
11:20 < sonya> moviuro: it's under security
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11:22 < moviuro> # Backup the list of installed packages and produce diffs when it changes. <- I don't really care about that. I want an alert when an update is available (/usr/sbin/pkg_add -vunI|/usr/bin/grep 'Adding'|/usr/bin/grep -v 'Adding quirks-')
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11:23 < IcePic> I would just run "pkg_add -u" and be done with it. In no way am I ever going to figure out why not install a curl update before I've tried it and see that it failed for some obscure reason
11:23 < moviuro> and while checking for updates, my understanding is that remote files are copied locally to the cache, and that this cache should be used when I really update (not -n)
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18:35 < flaxarn> djhankb: Man have you consider maybe irccloud.com
18:36 < flaxarn> You connect and instant disconnect 20 times per hour all day
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18:39 < flaxarn> Anyone have a suggestion how to make a VMD VM get less cpu? Like a limit to 50% maybe
18:41 < rynnxor> Does anyone know if the gophnericus package in ports is currently stable? Getting some warnings for it when calling pkg_check for it.
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19:47 < avemestr> rynnxor: What warnings?
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20:04 < rynnxor> avemestr: Saw a warning about a missing package-list when I looked at it, not sure if that was relevant or not.
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20:34 < armin> flaxarn: I hate to be the one, but I simply filter joins/parts/quits inside here, of course that won't fix djhankb's connection issues, but maybe you want to do that, too. :)
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20:36 < Bradipo> Unfortunately, I find normal joins/parts/quits to be useful in detecting when someone with whom one is chatting has disappeared.
20:37 < armin> Bradipo: Yes absolutely, there are scripts/plugins for the usual terminal clients though that add that functionality, and if you use tab-complete you will notice when that user goes away.
20:38 < armin> Bradipo: But yea I feel the same, and it happens sometimes that I try to respond to someone who's long gone.
20:38 < Bradipo> Not in all channels... some channels that I use have bots that bridge in other "networks", and tab complete doesn't work there.
20:38 < armin> Bradipo: Yea that's the normal pain bridges have in general.
20:38 < Bradipo> If something gets too much of an annoyance, might be worth asking an OP to deal with it temporarily.
20:39 < armin> Bradipo: Sure, by all means, doing a temp-ban and a kick with reason "plz fix your connection" is appropriate in such case, but all I'm saying is that ignoring these things works well, too.
20:40 < thumbs> Also, djhankb has been a runaway client for a very long time.
20:40 < armin> Yea ok that's another very valuable point then, I agree.
20:41 < thumbs> Pretty much since they registered, two years ago.
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20:42 < armin> I just have this tiny VM here I pay 7€ a month for that runs OpenBSD, it works quite nicely.
20:43 < armin> Also got access to the hypervisor so I think it's at least halfway trustworthy.
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20:44 < armin> But that might simply not work for everyone, and I think we need to support users who can not do that (for whatever reasons), too.
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20:46 < armin> In fact, OpenBSD always had great great great accessibility even for visually disabled people like me, I hope it will stay that way, I was *always* able to just use OpenBSD even when I could not find my glasses.
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20:47 < armin> Of course I understand if that's not some kind of primary focus, too, but hey, OpenBSD was actually awesome in that regard over the last 10 years.
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20:52 < armin> I've always loved OpenBSD on the desktop, hands down. I hope it will stay that way.
20:52 < Bradipo> OpenBSD qua OpenBSD is relatively stable.
20:53 < Bradipo> What's annoying is some of the WMs that used to be decent are going downhill.
20:53 < aaronm04> cwm is still great ;)
20:54 < armin> same for dwm ;)
20:55 < Bradipo> I'm starting to use fvwm more.
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20:55 < Bradipo> It's actually quite capable, just takes a lot of reading of the man page.
20:55 < armin> Ah yea fvwm, I even have a custom config!
20:55 < armin> https://codeberg.org/armin/dotfiles/raw/branch/main/fvwmrc
20:56 < armin> This here is my fvmwrc. I know there are many like these, but this one is mine!
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20:56 < Bradipo> The one thing that I really appreciate about fvwm is that it doesn't let windows steal your focus.
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20:56 < Bradipo> I can have it start Firefox on a separate Desktop from my "main" desktop, and it doesn't steal the focus.
20:57 < armin> Bradipo: that's called "focus prevention", that's a thing in other WMs, too.
20:57 < thrig> stay on target... stay on target...
20:57 < Bradipo> Well, I've only known it to work reliably with fvwm.
20:57 < armin> Bradipo: Sure I mean all our experiences are simply super subjective and probably ultra-biased, too. That's just human.
20:58 < Bradipo> Some of the directives in your fvmwrc don't look like they would work with fvwm in base.  I only use fvwm in base since I don't need more than that.
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20:59 < armin> Bradipo: I probably have hundreds of these little things where I'm simply locked to some tool for such a reason and the issue with that is that you might not recognize you have such a thing for 10 or even 15 years. I think my obsession with terminal emulators plays a large role, there are probably many things nowadays I should do with a mouse instead.
21:00 < Bradipo> Naw, mouse is for mice, not men. ;-)
21:00 < thrig> of mice and men
21:00 < armin> Well I feel the same, I'm a 100% keyboard user if I anyhow can.
21:00 < thrig> also I've been known to compile mouse support out of SDL games
21:00 < Bradipo> Haha, that's dedication.
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21:01 < thrig> mostly on account of brushing the trackpad and then something stupid happened in Brogue
21:01 < armin> It's also being disabled in various regards since birth, I guess, it's simply what works.
21:01 < armin> hehe
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21:04 < Bradipo> Would be nice if there were a toggle in X or OpenBSD somewhere that would just disable the "trackpad" or "mousepad" temporarily.
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21:06 < avemestr> Or just do it in BIOS. Thinkpad clit for life!
21:09 < sonya> thrig: yeah.. i have "Synaptics touchpad, firmware 4.6" and only mouse.tp.disable=1 does the trick of shutting it down.. very very good setting…
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21:59 < Quantafac> avemestr: Never heard it called that before lol.
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22:00 < avemestr> Quantafac: https://xkcd.com/243/
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22:00 < Quantafac> lol nice
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