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13:21 < mynam> Happy Saturday
13:22 < mesaoptimizer> happy BSD hacking
13:28 < aelita> happy saturday!
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14:05 < amnesiac> Hi. Moved from 7.3 -> 7.4 binary and after build a release on this machine. Now trying to play video on youtube for example and soun sounds like from the can or with some robot filter applied.
14:05 < amnesiac> what it could be ?
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14:09 < sibiria> have you scanned the computer for chinese androids
14:09 < amnesiac> sibiria, haha
14:09 < amnesiac> yeah shoule be
14:10 < amnesiac> *should
14:10 < sibiria> maybe just have a look in the sndiod config or so?
14:10 < sibiria> in case sysupgrade transmogrified something in there
14:13 < mynam> That's interesting amnesiac. My desktop, tho not BSD--Linux, has suffered from a very similar issue with audio. Everything is robotic until I launch pavucontrol then it's clean again.
14:14 < sibiria> though that may just be a mystery never to be solved. pulse audio (and alsa) are horrific monstrosities
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14:18 < mynam> hahaha isn't that the truth
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15:10 < PyR3X> is it possible to start nsd before pf to resolve lan hostnames for pf.conf?
15:11 < PyR3X> dhcpd currently uses hostnames from nsd it would be nice to manage everything from a single zone file
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15:13 < sibiria> you can only reorder startup order of package scripts. if you want to reorder for stuff in base you need to manually shuffle /etc/rc around
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15:16 < thrig> or build pf via a script
15:16 < PyR3X> thrig: what does that mean?
15:17 < PyR3X> is it easy enough to just put 'start_daemon nsd unbound' a few lines up before pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf in /etc/rc?
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15:19 < sibiria> PyR3X: that's what i'd try first. remove them from the "main" start so avoid trying to fire them up twice
15:19 < PyR3X> yeah
15:19 < sibiria> remember that syspatches and sysupgrades that contain changes for /etc/rc may fail once this file is edited
15:19 < PyR3X> I think thrig is suggesting setting pf=NO and then starting it later via rc.local?
15:20 < PyR3X> I'd prefer not to muck with /etc/rc 
15:21 < thrig> you write a script that creates pf.conf with all the DNS resolved
15:21 < sibiria> that's a working solution as well. keep in mind that the rc setting for PF does a bit more than just "pfctl -ef /etc/pf.conf"
15:21 < sibiria> pfsync device and such also involved
15:22 < sibiria> might be that pflogd needs to be defered as well, if you run that. not sure since i don't
15:22 < mynam> It'd be kinda jank, but what about disabling pf at boot then calling start from cron?
15:22 < PyR3X> what is the point of pf resolving hostnames in pf.conf if it can't handle it at boot?
15:23 < PyR3X> mynam: that was the rc.local idea above
15:23 < oldlaptop> "I need my hostnames to come from nsd" is not necessarily the common case
15:23 < PyR3X> oldlaptop: agreed but this is the case for any hostname
15:25 < PyR3X> the real question is why isn't the ability to resolve hostnames started before pf?
15:25 < sibiria> pf starts with a temporary restrictive ruleset
15:25 < PyR3X> I see that in /etc/rc
15:25 < sibiria> then network comes alive
15:26 < oldlaptop> given that it *is* reasonably common to expect pf to act as access control for $network_service, it seems reasonable that it should load its ruleset before $network_service starts
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15:27 < sibiria> but i agree that more than just unwind should be up and running *before* pf loads the site rules
15:27 < sibiria> unbound seems like an obvious candidate to fire up next to unwind
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15:28 < mynam> What about pkg_scripts= in rc.conf?
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15:29 < PyR3X> oldlaptop: it just seems *some* early daemons make sense to be started before pf given pf's ability to resolve hostnames
15:30 < PyR3X> otherwise rip out that code in pf
15:30 < sibiria> well, rulesets and tables are evaluated and reloaded at more times than just boot, so... xD
15:30 < sibiria> but i agree with you
15:30 < sibiria> the current order is "unfortunate"
15:30 < oldlaptop> Perhaps you can convince someone of that ("rip out that code in pf") if you complain about not being able to resolve names on misc@
15:31 < sibiria> unbound belongs early together with unwind, before pf. nsd is probably a sane fit there, too
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15:31 < mynam> Removing the functionality from PF because it doesn't work in this use case will impact those who do not run name services on the same host.
15:33 < mynam> Look at the examples in man for rc.conf. Unless man is lying, pkg_scripts= is what you want.
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15:34 < oldlaptop> pf, nsd, and unbound have at least one thing in common: they are not packages
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15:35 < sibiria> pkg_scripts is really for packages, yeah. though it probably works fine to tuck those things in there, too
15:35 < sibiria> it will after all just run "rcctl start" on 'em, kinda
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15:38 < PyR3X> well I wonder the syscalls to lookup hostnames are the same for /etc/hosts where they would be statically defined and that was the original use-case in pf 
15:39 < PyR3X> it's the only reason I can think of that unbound/nsd would not be started before hand
15:40 < sibiria> should be same, roping resolv.conf in etc.
15:40 < sibiria> i think the order is just a case of oversight
15:41 < sibiria> imo you should go fight theo about it over at misc@
15:41 < sibiria> tell him sibiria sent you
15:42 < PyR3X> like most things I'm sure there is a reason I'm just having a hard time figuring out what it is
15:42 < PyR3X> or why I should *not* start nsd/unbound before pf
15:42 < sibiria> just shuffle the order around (fix it) and see how it goes :)
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15:43 < eea> i took the easy way out on my dns host... just put known entries in /etc/hosts so pf would just work(tm)
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15:44 < IcePic> perhaps one could read commit messages when the ordering has been shuffled around and figure out what the reasons were
15:45 < PyR3X> I know but it's double the work.. I have all 30 hosts on my network over 10 vlans all defined with forward/reverse dns in nsd.. dhcpd picks those up nicely and it would be great to not have a separate set of variables in pf.conf and just edit my zone file. Double the work 
15:46 < sibiria> if there's any deliberate choice involved i think it's simply in line with "start as few things as possible before proper network/firewall running"
15:46 < sibiria> unwind was deemed itty bitty and "good enough" so it got to cut ahead in line
15:46 < eea> none of the names in my pf.conf are dynamic, fwiw
15:46 < IcePic> unwind also has to adapt to ppp interfaces coming up, dhcp offering a resolver you don't actually want but need to use to win over captive portals and things like that
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15:55 < Maddie> If I do pkg_info -q p5-mail-spamassassin it tell me to look in /usr/local/share/doc/SpamAssassin/OpenBSD-SpamAssassin-mini-howto.html but that file doesn't exist?
15:56 < Maddie> In fact I conclude the package contains zero .html files (run pkg_info with -L)
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16:54 < PyR3X> well the solution is to leave the default /etc/pf.conf and then just pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf.local from /etc/rc.local... I see the reasoning now.. the default ruleset from /etc/rc will not allow any outbound so unless you change that then starting nsd/unbound (for anything other than your local zone) will fail
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16:56 < PyR3X> also learned that booting single user *does not* stop bsd.re-config(5) so remembering what I disabled for apcupsd to work (upd/uhidev) was fun to get my usb keyboard working again by enabling with boot -c
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17:31 < vortexx> as someone else pointed out a few days or weeks ago, using hostnames instead of IP adresses in pf slows it down considerably
17:32 < vortexx> oops I hadn't scrolled down
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17:44 < ke5c2fin> Does OpenBGP support BGP Multipath?
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17:58 < PyR3X> vortexx: how does it slow it does? it translate them to ip addresses
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18:29 < vortexx> PyR3X: dns lookups take some time, even if the resolver is local
18:29 < vortexx> compared to just running IPs
18:30 < PyR3X> vortexx: yeah but they are resolved once? They are not queried on each rule
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18:32 < IcePic> you would not want the fw to start sending udps for each incoming packets
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18:32 < PyR3X> what?
18:33 < IcePic> "not queried for every rule"
18:33 < IcePic> imagine if it was
18:33 < PyR3X> but its not
18:33 < IcePic> yes, and that is kind of reasonable
18:33 < PyR3X> which is why I don't know what vortexx is talking about
18:34 < IcePic> no, that seems like an odd comment up there
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18:50 < harpia> The default shell is "ksh", right? But I see there are "csh" config files in my home folder. It got me thinking.
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18:51 < sibiria> csh still in the base system
18:51 < sibiria> is why .cshrc is still in /etc/skel
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20:30 < megaTherion> Hi, Im looking for an working image for a BananaPi R2 Pro board... it seems to be supported (arm64), but how do I get a proper image?
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20:40 < vortexx> megaTherion: read INSTALL.arm64 and use the install74.img image in the arm64 directory 
20:40 < vortexx> https://mirror.ungleich.ch/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/arm64/ or https://mirror.ungleich.ch/pub/OpenBSD/7.4/arm64/ or find a mirror closer to you
20:40 < avemestr> Though arm is a lot of things: https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html
20:40 < megaTherion> wouldn't miniroot74 work as well?
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20:41 < vortexx> it would but that doesn't include the install files, you'll need network access for it
20:41 < megaTherion> yes indeed arm64, is a lot of things... it's based on a RK3568 and there are quite some models supported
20:41 < megaTherion> vortexx: my problem is that the image doesn't boot... :)
20:41 < amnesiac> Hi. moved from 7.4 to 7.4-current and vms inside vmd stopepd getting dhcpoffer 
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20:42 < amnesiac> nothing changed in configuration, just upgrade
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20:45 < vortexx> megaTherion: did you read the INSTALL.arm64 properly? It says to use miniroot plus the u-boot-rockchip.bin
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20:46 < avemestr> I've given up on those smallish devices. They might be cheap but always costs an ARM and a leg in time :D
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20:46 < thrig> alternative CPU are not without RISC
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20:47 < vortexx> tadoomda!
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20:48 < megaTherion> vortexx: where did you get u-boot-rockchip.bin now from? I was looking in /usr/local/share/u-boot which was proposed by the INSTALL.arm64
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20:48 < megaTherion> I guess Bananapro isn't the right one... (there are various bananapro's... mine isn't based on sunxi)
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20:50 < vortexx> megaTherion: your one is listed with instructions based on the chip
20:50 < vortexx> RKC356*
20:50 < vortexx> you're going to have to build your own boot image though
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20:51 < megaTherion> that's what I expected
20:51 < vortexx> so long as you have miniroot74.img and the u-boot-rockchip.bin you're good to go
20:51 < vortexx> megaTherion: as for where that comes from... maybe it's on install74.img
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20:57 < vortexx> megaTherion: you need to install the u-boot-aarch64 package to get the bootloader
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20:57 < vortexx> (on whichever OpenBSD system you're going to prep the image on)
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21:00 < megaTherion> vortexx: ok thanks, well Im seeing a lot of rk3399 u-boot's
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21:00 < megaTherion> but I guess this one wont work, there seems to be a difference regarding 
21:00 < megaTherion> https://wiki.t-firefly.com/en/ROC-RK3568-PC-SE/uboot_introduction.html
21:01 < vortexx> maybe you need a -current package
21:01 < vortexx> I'm not seeing in my ports directory on 74-stable
21:01 < megaTherion> I guess that u-boot must be fetchable elsewhere, it isn't really openbsd related
21:03 < vortexx> probably yeah
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21:06 < vortexx> I just checked the -current package, it seems to have the same content as the -stable one. Dated 2021 which doesn't help
21:06 < vortexx> strange that the instructions talk of the right chip but the package doesn't contain it
21:07 < vortexx> you might want to ask on misc@ or arm@
21:07 < vortexx> probably arm@
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21:22 < vortexx> apparently NetBSD have the u-boot image in pkgsrc
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21:33 < sibiria> you shouldn't need to *build* a new boot image. but you may need to overwrite parts of it with relevant DTB and so
21:34 < sibiria> though some rockchip devices don't need any of that 
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21:53 < vortexx> sibiria: that one doesn't require DTB apparently
21:54 < vortexx> according to INSTALL.arm64
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