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03:22 < caze> comic sans of course
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10:48 < tercaL> I once installed SoGo (for its webmail) successfully on my OpenBSD mail server, and later, I never managed to install it again.. 
10:48  * tercaL sighs
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11:07 < dansimon> does anyone know how to disable the auto ssh agent popup in OBSD X? I've tried monkying with ~/.xinitrc, but the ssh agent keeps poping up no matter what I do...
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11:09 < kn> dansimon: /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsession starts it, modify that or kill and start it yourself in ~/.xsession
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15:04 < Lucas6023> kn: I don't believe that killing it in ~/.xsession is possible, as ssh-agent interactions happen before execution of ~/.xsession
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15:05 < Lucas6023> dansimon: another option, the one I went with bc I don't like running ssh-agent in general, is moving the keys to a different location. In particular, I use ~/.ssh/keys/ .
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19:00 < Bradipo> Linux really has become a quagmire.
19:00 < fettuccine> whats a quagmire 0-0
19:00 < Bradipo> I'm looking for cron logs in /var/log and none of the files seem to have any meaningful logs.
19:00 < fettuccine> rip
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19:01 < fettuccine> my complaint is with how hard it is to have a minimal system without fucking around majorly
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19:02 < sibiria> Bradipo: but it's so much handier to have all of it hidden away from sight and accessible through journalctl. didn't you get the memo?
19:03 < Bradipo> A quagmire is a place where you don't want your meandering cattle to roam.
19:03 < phy1729> fettuccine: then try alpine or void, but linux isn't openbsd
19:04 < fettuccine> phy1729 i tried void and gentoo
19:04 < fettuccine> got frustrated with gen2 so here i am
19:04 < fettuccine> Bradipo o interesting
19:06 < mischief> i have gentoo *and* openbsd :-)
19:06 < fettuccine> based
19:06 < fettuccine> i would die for portage on obsd
19:06 < fettuccine> ports is weird. i mean i should learn it first before judging lol
19:08 < Bradipo> You really shouldn't be using ports on OpenBSD unless you have some very specific reason to want to build your own packages.
19:08 < Bradipo> Just install packages.
19:09 < sibiria> it's a build system. it's supposed to be "weird"
19:10 < fettuccine> yea i wanna learn it to have a deeper understanding and for some stuff i dont find on pkg_add
19:10 < fettuccine> sibiria tru
19:11 < socksinspace> i built a linux system that used less than 8M of ram a few days ago :P it's possible, and wasn't even all that hard :P but y'know, offtopic and all that jazz
19:11 < Bradipo> The ports build system certainly does tuck away a lot of "magic" in the .mk files.
19:11 < fettuccine> socksinspace o wow lfs?
19:11 < socksinspace> buildroot
19:12 < fettuccine> daym
19:12 < fettuccine> what are you using it for
19:12 < fettuccine> s/what are you using it for/are you doing embedded systems?/
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19:13 < socksinspace> reviving linux support for the hp jornada 680, so as far as power goes, basically embedded, but different usecase
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19:13 < socksinspace> someone else got the kernel booting again and i wanted to see if i can make a modern userland for it
19:13 < fettuccine> cool
19:14 < fettuccine> i wanna get into embedded but dont know where to start
19:14 < socksinspace> idk, that was my first rodeo too :DD
19:15 < fettuccine> haha nice :)
19:15 < socksinspace> besides a bit of postmarketOS
19:16 < fettuccine> o im looking into somth like that with lineageos 
19:16 < mischief> esp32s are fun, and cheap, if you mean actually embedded and not just 'linux with small storage/memory'
19:16 < socksinspace> i think the general advice would be "find something specific you want to do" 
19:16 < fettuccine> i think i need alpine on vmm to flash it tho?
19:16 < fettuccine> socksinspace tru
19:16 < socksinspace> flash what?
19:17 < fettuccine> lineageos
19:17 < socksinspace> idk if we have android tools, maybe someone else knows
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19:17 < fettuccine> i got adb 
19:18 < socksinspace> if you have adb and fastboot you should be okay i think, but i can't say i ever tried it from openbsd
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19:18 < fettuccine> hmm alr i'll check fastboot. thx
19:18 < socksinspace> depending on your device of course
19:18 < fettuccine> yea its not officially supported so im getting a custom build from xna
19:19 < fettuccine> xdadevelopers*
19:19 < fettuccine> lowkey thinking of building a rom but hell nah not on this craptop xD
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19:20 < socksinspace> lol, some of the instructions on there are weird, but the people that try to stay close to lineage mostly have their shit together
19:20 < socksinspace> you need hella storage and ram for that
19:20 < fettuccine> yea
19:20 < fettuccine> learned my lesson from running gentoo
19:21 < socksinspace> if you want to build something yourself, definitely posmarketOS, that's a breeze in comparison
19:21 < socksinspace> but of course more experimental
19:21 < fettuccine> o i'll give it a look
19:23 < thalos> Hi! I'm writing a program based on libpcap. When listening on the loopback device, it's identified as DLT_LOOP but the 4-byte DLT_LOOP header is 0 for ipv4 traffic. According to libpcap docs it's supposed to be 2 and some other source I found says it's supposed to map to a PF_ definition in sys/socket.h. Does anyone have any insight into this?
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20:57 < mischief> sheesh, clang/llvm take forever.
20:57 < thrig> all that bloat must be Wirth something
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21:01 < mischief> going on 20 minutes now, my poor 6 core vm ;-;
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21:04 < apotheon> thrig: nice
21:05 < apotheon> I remember when Clang was fast . . . ish . . . sorta.
21:06 < ssm_> Why doesn't openbsd use a more minimal c compiler? at least for base
21:06 < ssm_> or on architectures that support it
21:06 < sibiria> because then we might get even more different results on different archs
21:07 < apotheon> because well-licensed more minimal C compilers don't get sufficient support
21:07 < sibiria> llvm has massive backing, just like gcc
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21:30 < mischief> still going :-) https://xkcd.com/303/
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21:44 < mischief> ah cool. i got cproc to compile and build a working program on openbsd
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22:48 < runelind> is there a sysctl or similar setting to adjust ARP timeout? 
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22:50 < uwharrie> runelind: see sysctl(2)
22:51 < runelind> ah, yes, cheers 
22:53 < polarian> so OpenBSD uses the original ISC license, before the modification was made, but then how do you refer to OpenBSD ISC licensed code, as it is not identical to ISC... but it is still ISC... 
22:53 < polarian> do you just refer to it as ISC 
22:53 < polarian> or "original" ISC?
22:53 < avemestr> Does it matter?
22:55 < avemestr> Theo's old thoughts on the matter: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=120618313520730&w=2
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23:06 < polarian> I have read this post 
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23:55 < oreb> hi, have been using i3 for a long time, decided to try .fvwm on a fresh install machine. copied /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm/system.fvwm2rc-sample-2 to ~/.fvwmrc, looks good. but as soon as i create a .xsession on my user, cannot log in. from ~/.xsession-errors: X connection to :0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
23:56 < oreb> delete .xsession and can log back in. ideas on something here?
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