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00:12 < thrig> does i3 not have means to exec fvwm?
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00:15 < oreb> sorry wasn't clear. not using i3 on this new machine. by default on 7.4 you launch into fvwm if selected use X during install, without an ~/.xsession. i just needed to append the ~/.xsession i created with exec fvwm. overlooked that
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00:16 < oreb> or rather, fvwm is started by default and no ~/.xsession is generated so.
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01:07 < mischief> oreb: could be instructive to read /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsession for xenodbm, or /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc for startx
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09:35 < avemestr> Would be quite early.
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14:28 < ecbrown> hi all, can anyone confirm whether i can mirror two nvme's and have that be encrypted?  i've tried to "layer" 1) softraid0 for mirror, 2) softraid0 for encryption on that mirror, but not bootable
14:29 < ecbrown> this is still a wip, but thought i'd ask
14:30 < ecbrown> i'm wondering if i need a boot disk or incantation to manually mount softraid's
14:31 < kn> ecbrown: layering softraid may work but is not supported, use the 1C discipline
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14:32 < ecbrown> kn: thanks for that information. i have to read up on what 1C is.  (whenever i see "C" i think "whole disk")
14:33 < kn> ecbrown: 1C = mirror + crypto, see softraid(4) and bioctl(8) 
14:33 < ecbrown> yeah, just was over there :-)  well there it is
14:34  * ecbrown chuckles, "over there"  first time using cwm
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14:44 < sdfgsdfg> random demotivational post from me 
14:44 < sdfgsdfg> motivational*
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14:54 < phy1729> sdfgsdfg: being told to stop spamming #libera isn't an invitation to spam other channels
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14:54 < sdfgsdfg> who the fuck are you, this is how I say goodbye to everyone in the channels that I frequent, before I go to sleep
14:55 < sdfgsdfg> #libera has nothing to do with my ongoing conversations
14:55  * oreb sighs
14:55 < sdfgsdfg> why do you have to be a cocksucker about it
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14:56 < ecbrown> kn: thanks, 1C worked like a charm.
14:59 < sibiria> but he wasn't spamming in here, was he?
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16:15 < brass> If I'm running OpenBSD current and I want to test a change I made, is it okay to comment out the cleandir line in the do-build action in the Makefile so I can reuse object files that weren't modified?
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16:15 < brass> It can take hours to compile the complete system and I'm trying to save some time 
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16:19 < mischief> what about SKIPDIR from mk.conf(5)?
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16:23 < brass> mischief: I would have to list every directory other than the one I'm building which seems overkill. Isn't that what make dependencies is supposed to solve?
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16:24 < mischief> make dependencies work fine here; running make build again for me skips pretty much everything that happened the first time.
16:24 < mischief> i think you can also just go make in whatever dir your changes are in instead of doing it at the top level..
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16:27 < brass> mischief: I'll try pulling the latest changes and running make build, I'm just worried about it compiling clang from scratch again
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16:27 < mischief> :-)
16:28 < mischief> took me like an hour just for clang yesterday, using 6 cores in a ryzen 4600G
16:28 < mischief> clang/llvm
16:29 < brass> I'm compiling on a 5 year old NUC so I just let it run overnight last time, it's not very fast lol
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16:30 < brass> I also have a PCENGINES box but I gave up trying to compile -current on it, takes way too long
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16:37 < oldlaptop> It'd have been semi-reasonable to do make build on apu2 or so before llvm went in
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16:43 < sibiria> brass: tuck 32gb of ram into it and mount the relevant /usr/ subpaths in a tmpfs/mfs
16:43 < sibiria> makes for a good difference even when pitted against an NVMe drive
16:47 < oldlaptop> actually reading scrollback: you are aware you can run `make` in the appropriate subdirectory you actually changed, right?
16:47 < oldlaptop> e.g. if you patch, oh, ls or something, you can just cd in there and rebuild ls
16:47 < sibiria> yeah you don't need to rebuild the entire system each time. that's the whole point of Makefile stanzas
16:48 < oldlaptop> the instructions for userland errata are generally examples
16:49 < brass> oldlaptop: Yeah that's what I've been doing, but I like to keep up to date with the latest changes in case something has changed elsewhere that might effect it.
16:49 < oldlaptop> I suppose if that's your goal, I don't see how you can escape rebuilding the whole system anyway
16:50 < oldlaptop> unless installing a newer snapshot counts! (it really probably should)
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16:54 < mischief> at least there's no rust yet
16:54  * mischief ducks
16:55 < brass> oldlaptop: Yeah, I'm just trying to avoid a situation where I pull the latest changes and there's modifications to say only mg and pfctl, but it decides to recompile every single program in the base system because it cleared out the old objects instead of reusing them
16:56 < brass> mischief: lol
16:56 < brass> mischief: zig seems more appropriate for OpenBSD than rust anyways imo
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17:13 < brass> I ran `make build' and now clang is recompiling :,)
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17:28 < mischief> haha, same. except now my VM only has 2 cores instead of the 6 it had before.
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18:27 < phy1729> huh base sets seem to be missing for amd64 currently (even on ftp.o.o not just the cdn)
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18:47 < amnesiac> Hi
18:48 < amnesiac> how access sd device which reported by kernel as targ 1 lun0 ?
18:48 < amnesiac> scsi could not see it
18:49 < amnesiac> or reinitialize it
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18:58 < vdamewood> phy1729: Where are you looking?
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19:01 < brass> amnesiac: reported where?
19:01 < amnesiac> in dmesg
19:02 < amnesiac> sdn at scsibusm targ lun0
19:03 < amnesiac> disklabel sd - shows DIOCGDINFO: Inpet/output error
19:03 < avemestr> vdamewood: /pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/ on some (all?) mirrors seems to miss base, comp, etc.
19:04 < brass> amnesiac: Can you upload your dmesg to a pastebin?
19:05 < vdamewood> They're there for me
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19:06 < vdamewood> Assuming the times I see are Mountain Time, looks like they've been there for less than an hours though.
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19:06 < vdamewood> base75.tgz                                         17-Feb-2024 11:18           429235208
19:07 < vdamewood> Maybe new snapshots were just uploaded.
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19:10 < avemestr> The view on a mirror: https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/
19:11 < vdamewood> I see it, Kernels, Check, X11 stuck check, actual base system... nope.
19:11 < vdamewood> s/stuck/stuff/
19:12 < vdamewood> Guess that FTP site will need to resync soon.
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19:35 < avemestr> The 74 vs 75 naming is interesting as well.
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19:38 < amnesiac> brass, nope
19:38 < amnesiac> line from it looks like: sd4 at scsibus5 targ 1 lun 0: <, , > serial.
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22:43 < nacelle> any idea why "read" changed?  it used to be like most shell boxes in 6.x, but now its not the same at all.
22:43 < nacelle> as in, read -p"press any key to continue" in a shell script
22:43 < nacelle> and read -t2 for a timeout, etc.
22:44 < nacelle> more importantly than why - where did the old one go? (can I still use it if I install a pkg? which pkg?)
22:47 < Roedy> I have a setup of two firewalls, using carp. I dont use it for my WAN ATM, as it's using DHCP. I do however have a static IP. Is there any software out there, that can request a DHCP lease, without actually doing anything else. - My goal is to use CARP on the WAN interace by configuring the static on the CARP interface
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22:51 < nacelle> ah ha, I figured it out - I was using bash's read, not ksh's.
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22:52 < nacelle> ksh read is primitive compared to what you can do in bash
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22:55 < dfdx> Hi everyone. I see in ports that there are two versions for gcc, gcc 8 and gcc 11. when I run "make" in /usr/ports/lang/gcc, it defaults to installing gcc-8. How can I install gcc-11? do I have to actually run make in /usr/ports/lang/gcc/11/ ? Sorry, still kinda new to using ports.
22:58 < dfdx> nvm... I think i figured it out. I can just use pkg_add and it'll help me select. sorry for the noise.
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23:06 < oldlaptop> you normally shouldn't be using ports for that anyway
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23:07 < oldlaptop> as a general rule (there are a few ports, gcc not among them, for which binary packages aren't distributed for legal reasons) the only function of ports is to build binary packages, so "using ports" ends up being a way to waste a lot of time to get the same thing anyway
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23:13 < dfdx> oldlaptop: i see, thanks. yeah, i know a little bit about GCC and the licensing reasons related to OpenBSD. But I still need to learn more about ports. Thanks again.
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23:13 < commodorian> Is there a way I could be able to tell what libraries a command needs? I'm working on getting ImageMagick's `convert` to work in a /var/www chroot, I've got `convert` in /bin/ (in the chroot), but it fails to execute unlike a simpler command like ls.
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23:14 < oldlaptop> By 'legal reasons', I mostly mean ports where it'd be illegal to redistribute the binaries. (Certainly the licenses would not be "open source".) GPL (of any version) is fine for binary packages.
23:14 < vortexx> dfdx: if you want to learn about ports, learn how to use dpb, the ports builder. It'll save you a heap of time.
23:17 < mischief> commodorian: try say, `LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 w`
23:17 < dfdx> vortexx: will do, thanks!
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23:20 < Lucas6023> commodorian: `ldd "$(command -v convert)"` is usually enough
23:21 < commodorian> cool. working on getting all the libraries copied over to the chroot
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23:27 < commodorian> okay, it looks like I've copied everything over but ld.so is complaining that it can't load the libraries. how can I make ld.so's output more verbose?
23:27 < mischief> did you try `man ld.so`
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23:31 < commodorian> that did the trick
23:31 < commodorian> thanks guys
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