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00:43 < finkfox_> wondering, is there a way to disable root password reseting as described here: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#LostPW
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00:45 < finkfox_> isn't this a big time security risk? anyone with physical access to machine could boot, reset password and gain access.
00:45 < finkfox_> the only protection I can think of is full harddisk encryption. but how good is that?
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00:53 < finkfox_> is this a possible answer? https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=101038332027274&w=2
00:54 < coyote> That could work, yes
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07:54 < Voyager_MP> lately, my X1 Gen10 freezes while working, no message at all, I would think it might be HW, right ? Is there a way to debug this. It runs on current 
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16:12 < Release6890> I see that Rust 1.72.1 is available as a package for OpenBSD 7.4. However rust-nightly is not available in the OpenBSD packages or from the Rust organization via rustup. What is the best way to track rust nightly on OpenBSD?
16:14 < IcePic> packages for releases mainly stick to the version that was current then, if you run snapshots you get rust 1.76.0
16:17 < Release6890> Thanks. Would switching to OpenBSD -current (per https://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html) then provide rust-nightly? Or, are snapshots as close as I could get for a pre-packaged Rust?
16:18 < IcePic> you would get the latest version of rust for which someone has taken the effort to package it for obsd
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16:19 < Voyager_MP> @pk189 yes
16:19 < Release6890> Got it. I still need to learn more about the packaging process. For rust-nightly, I presume only a fully automated packaging would be feasible.
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16:20 < IcePic> seems like building on openbsd requires a bag of patches ( https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/lang/rust/patches/ ) so it seems to need some care and attention in order to get built
16:21 < Release6890> Thanks for the confirmation. Given that, it feels like manually compiling rust-nightly once in a while might be a better approach. That will allow me to stick with OpenBSD releases.
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16:31 < pk189> Voyager_MP: have you grepped around anything in /var/log to see what might be going on?
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18:01 < Voyager_MP> @pk189 sure, but nothing 
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18:44 < pk189> Voyager_MP: have you made any recent hardware or software changes?
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19:04 < Lucas6023> Voyager_MP: does it only freeze the display? stuff like network keeps working?
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19:05 < Lucas6023> if it really freezes, as in network also stops replying, then you're probably running into a kernel panic. Make sure you have the right /etc/sysctl.conf knob turned on to be dropped into ddb.
19:06 < Lucas6023> you'll be able to get better information there to report back to bugs@
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20:39 < Release6890> I have a OpenBSD 7.4 installation and my user account is receiving mail with subject "Nvi saved the file man.<random string>" from "Nvi recovery program." I am an Emacs/mg user, so I don't know where these messages are coming from. Any suggestions on how to debug this?
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20:41 < Bradipo> Seems odd.
20:41 < Bradipo> Did you type 'v' while in a man page?
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20:41 < thrig> nothing LESSSECURE=1 can't fix
20:41 < Release6890> @Bradipo - not that I am aware of.
20:42 < Bradipo> e.g. "man something" and then you typed 'v', got frustrated because you didn't know how to operate vi, and then killed the terminal or something.
20:42 < Bradipo> That then left behind a man page in the process of being edited.
20:43 < Release6890> Well, I can try that to see if it triggers the email. Testing ...
20:44 < Bradipo> Well, "testing" isn't likely going to be very fruitful unless you can faithfully recognize the problem.  I'm just guessing since but my hypothesis fits the facts.
20:46 < Release6890> It is a reasonably hypothesis. But when I use man and type "v" to edit, the behavior itsn't something that looks familiar. I know enough vi to :q, :q!, ESC, etc., my way through man.
20:46 < Release6890> And this is a multipe times per day thing.
20:46 < mischief> when i press v in man i get command not available
20:46 < Bradipo> mischief: Are you using LESSSECURE?
20:46 < mischief> oh. yes, i am :-)
20:47 < mischief> apparently i forgot that was in my dotfiles
20:48 < Release6890> I am be lazily shutting down by hitting the power button. It seems to kill processes and sync disks. Maybe doing that rather than running "doas shutdown" is causing my this and other problems.
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20:48 < Bradipo> Yeah, that could cause this.
20:49 < Release6890> Thanks. I will blame that then.
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20:52 < Release6890> What is the best practice for shutdown of OpenBSD? - I am running X11 with TVWM. Do I need to exit TVWM? Is xenodm still running ok, or do I need to exist that as well?
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20:55 < Bradipo> I sometimes just call "shutdown -h -p now" but I do make sure I've closed some things first.
20:55 < Bradipo> e.g. I don't leave Firefox running or any vi sessions.
20:55 < Bradipo> So it's not strictly necessary to logout of X first.
20:55 < Bradipo> Usually I will logout of X and then press the power button.
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20:56 < Bradipo> The default WM is fvwm, so I just logout of that, then press power.
20:56 < Release6890> Closing apps is my habit as well. Maybe not logging out of X/FVWM first is my problem. At least one other person is reporting the power button should be fine (https://i-bsd.com/openbsd-shutdown/).
20:56 < Bradipo> No need to disable services (of which xenodm is one).
20:57 < Bradipo> If you don't have any man pages open in vi mode, then I see no problem just pressing the power button whenever you want.
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20:58 < Release6890> It feels like my hypothesis is weaker than yours. I am certain I didn't have terminals with man pages or anything else open.
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20:59 < Release6890> I do use man a bit, and perhaps I really am just mindlessly slamming buttons without realizing it.
20:59 < thrig> pgrep vi  is a thing
20:59 < Bradipo> It's also possible you just have done it once or twice and have not yet recovered them so it continues to notify you that they are there.
21:00 < Bradipo> But I'm not sure recovery files persist across a reboot anymore, unfortunately.
21:00 < thrig> and so is cat /tmp/vi.recover/rec*
21:00 < Release6890> There is a /tmp/vi.recover/rec* ..., but the confusing thing is that is not the filename listed in the emails.
21:00 < Bradipo> So if you've rebooted, and you still get the emails, then it's unlikely that they are stale recovery files.
21:01 < Bradipo> What's the timestamp on the recovery files?
21:01 < Release6890> Doh! Just deleted it. Sorry.
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21:01 < Bradipo> Oh interesting, it looks like recovery files *do* remain on reboot!
21:02 < Bradipo> I have a few recovery files from Feb 13, 14, 16, and 19.
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21:03 < Release6890> But you aren't getting emails about them periodically are you?
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21:03 < Bradipo> No, but I may have misconfigured email or something.
21:03 < thrig> or if you don't boot often
21:03 < Bradipo> The system that I look at reboots once a day.
21:04 < Release6890> Well this is enlighting. Thanks for insight. I am going with the working assumption that the vi recovery files were being reporting by the email, but oddly using different tmp filenames.
21:04 < Bradipo> Well, the names of the file are different from the recovery file names, certainly.
21:05 < thrig> they wouldn't be very good recovery files if they got deleted on bot
21:05 < Bradipo> e.g. if you type: "man less", then press 'v', you'll notice that it edits a file named /tmp/man.randomfilename
21:06 < Bradipo> thrig: I just assumed that when /var/tmp was purged from OpenBSD that the recovery functionality also got nunked.
21:06 < Release6890> Right, but the email content does not make reference to /tmp/vi.recover/... as the location of the recovery file.
21:06 < Bradipo> That's because the recovery file isn't something you are intended to manage.
21:06 < Release6890> Ah, got it.
21:06 < Bradipo> If you type: vi filename, would you recognize an email that said, "You have a recovery file named /tmp/vi.recover/vi.randomname"?
21:06 < Release6890> I prefer to litter my directories with "~" files. :)
21:07 < Bradipo> So instead you are informed of the *real* name of the file.
21:07 < Bradipo> In this case, the *real* name is a temporary man page.
21:07 < Release6890> That makes sense.
21:08 < Bradipo> e.g. if I type: vi myspecialfile.txt and then my system crashes, when I get sent an email about recovery it will tell me to recover myspecialfile.txt, not some random recovery file.
21:09 < Release6890> I can see that being the more useful approach.
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21:59 < joe9> I recently upgraded the firefox browser on my OpenBSD machine. The new firefox build has dropped the --class command line parameter.
21:59 < joe9> Just want to check if there is a reason for it and if there is a different way to set the WM_CLASS?
21:59 < joe9> I recently upgraded the firefox browser on my OpenBSD machine. The new firefox build has dropped the --class command line parameter.
22:00 < joe9> Mozilla Firefox 122.0.1 # is what I have now.
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23:26 < seninha> Hi. Does anyone here uses net/tdesktop (telegram-desktop)? I spawn it, it writes nothing to std{err,out}, open no window, and makes CPU usage to 100%.
23:27 < seninha> I kept it running for ~3min then ^C-d it.
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23:37 < Bradipo> Never heard of net/tdesktop
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23:39 < thrig> lots of libraries and compilers and make systems that could bitrot, from looking at the Makefile
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23:47 < seninha> oof
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23:52 < kn> seninha: works fine here, first time hearing about such a report
23:52 < seninha> kn, are you running -current?
23:52 < kn> yes
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