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00:05 < seninha> kn, hmm... Do you have dbus running?
00:05 < kn> yes
00:06 < seninha> i'm gonna try it again with dbus session running
00:06 < seninha> XP
00:06 < seninha> work
00:07 < seninha> a `fprintf(stderr, "no dbus session, bye\n"); exit(42);` could be handy...
00:08 < Bradipo> D-BUS seems pretty fragile.
00:08 < Bradipo> Not to mention slow.
00:08 < seninha> damn, minutes during halt initialization and CPU consuming just because no dbus session was running (and no error message)
00:09 < thrig> somehow dbus got a chmod -x on it on my system
00:10 < Bradipo> The sad thing is, so much breaks without it available.
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00:11 < seninha> Bradipo, that's the first time I had to run dbus in almost 4 years of openbsd
00:12 < thrig> nothing that I've noticed (but then I don't run much if any desktop-y stuff)
00:12 < seninha> (back when i used linux it was started by default by systemd)
00:13 < seninha> meh...
00:14 < seninha> now i need to figure out whether i should keep firefox or tdesktop installed just for chatting
00:15 < seninha> (the only tab ever open in firefox)
00:16 < seninha> thanks
00:16 < seninha> rubber duck debugging is often the most effective form of problem solving
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00:19 < pk189> I snagged a good deal on a used hp z440 workstation, 16 core xeon 2699 v3 + 128gb ECC ram. ships with an anemic R5-340 for graphics. I wonder if something slightly more capable like a Radeon PRO WX3200 with its "Polaris" architecture is well supported on OpenBSD. 
00:20 < pk189> or if some other radeon card in the $100-150 range it a safer bet
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00:27 < pk189> hmm looks like polaris rx 400 and rx500 is supported, not sure about 300
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00:56 < pk189> rx 550 w/ 4 hdmi out it is
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01:22 < seninha> i love xdg
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01:22 < seninha> tdesktop does not open files the way I configured xdg-open to do
01:22 < seninha> it seens it uses some qt library function rather than xdg-open(1)
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09:57 < betabug> just in time for the meeting, the wifi here starts to misbehave :-/
09:57 < betabug> ups, sorry, wrong channel
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12:46 < Voyager_MP> I like to hear your opinion on using a carrier grade nat network (100.64.0.0/10) as RFC 1918 net, for an internal network, (a Company with +500 Members) and some localtions with some public bgp peerings 
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12:47 < sibiria> it's pretty common
12:48 < sibiria> misuse, but common
12:48 < Voyager_MP> Really ? Are there any conzerns ? 
12:49 < sibiria> equipment (or software) using that net, or a subnet of it, in the way it's intended to be used
12:49 < Voyager_MP> misused but that solves some issuses with nat-to-nat peerings 
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12:49 < Voyager_MP> @sibiria do you know of any from the big players like cisco or aruba ? 
12:50 < sibiria> i think i'd first see if i could split one of the three rfc1918 private nets in order to get one more "private network", before resorting to using the cgn
12:50 < sibiria> Voyager_MP: i have no info on that
12:52 < sibiria> you have almost 18 million addresses in total from rfc1918 so you can create a practically endless number of subnets there to keep things compartmentalized, without having to look at cgn
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13:22 < renaud> I am (ab)using parts of the CGN range for my guest network which can only access internet.
13:24 < Voyager_MP> @renaud yes I've done something like this too. Whats your opinon ? 
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13:25 < Voyager_MP> the scale of a complete company network scares me a little 
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13:25 < renaud> That should not cause troubles as this is defined as a range for CGN which is private, but, technically, it should not be used for that.
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13:26 < renaud> So, if you use this as a company private network, that's not what it is for, although that will work
13:27 < renaud> I know people which were using 1/8 or 2/8 networks before they were assigned, and that one caused issues later, but the CGN network is already defined
13:28 < Voyager_MP> I totaly agree
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13:28 < renaud> I even know someone who had no clue, and used 1.0.0.0/8 for his first client, then 2/8 for the next one, etc
13:28 < renaud> At some point it cause issues :)
13:29 < renaud> A client asked me why they could not access apple servers and I told them that was because they were using 17/8 as their internal network :D
13:29 < renaud> that was the 17th client of the former guy
13:30 < sibiria> "IT janitor"
13:30 < Voyager_MP> :D, I know a gov company, they have the same issue, they used a 130.xxx net as private :D 
13:30 < renaud> I am wondering what would have happened after his 224th client :)
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21:10 < ssm_> why is wscons called wscons? I've used openbsd many years, and just assumed it's someone's initials or something
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21:11 < uwharrie> from wscons(4) "workstation console access"
21:11 < ssm_> cool
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21:12 < ssm_> my wscons(4) doesn't say anything about workstation, tried searching
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21:16 < uwharrie> it was added in Nov http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/share/man/man4/wscons.4
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21:17 < ssm_> I live on -stable so that explains that
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