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00:27 < brass> Is anyone here running weechat inside of tmux? The divider between the nicks and the messages is a question mark instead of a pipe on my system
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00:29 < thrig> the -u flag to tmux may be relevant
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00:31 < brass> It looks like it behaves like that even outside of tmux, or if I set LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
00:31 < brass> thrig: I just tried that, still the same 
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00:45 < brass> I figured it out, it's because I opened weechat once before setting the locale and it saved the `weechat.look.prefix_suffix` character to a question mark. Usetting it fixed the issue
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00:55 < Bradipo> I have a max-src-conn-rate rule that doesn't seem to work consistently, it's very strange.  Some hosts it blocks just fine.
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00:55 < Bradipo> Others, that seem to spam TCP connections at a high rate don't match.
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01:03 < Bradipo> Here's the rule: http://sprunge.us/BD8j9c
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01:03 < Bradipo> It seems like 3/300 should be extremely aggressive in blocking inbound SSH connections that are abusive.
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01:05 < thrig> ssh is easier to block by default, and only allow from where you need it, given pervasive scanning
01:06 < Bradipo> Yes, I'm not really concerned about the scanning.
01:06 < Bradipo> But I do wonder why the pf rule doesn't seem to work all the time.
01:06 < Bradipo> For example, why wasn't this host blocked: http://sprunge.us/zLHTVu
01:07 < Bradipo> That's clearly more than 3 connections in 300 seconds.
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01:08 < Bradipo> Is it possible that I misunderstand what max-src-conn-rate can actually accomplish?
01:08 < Bradipo> The <sshspam> table does have some entries, but this IP was definitely not one of them.
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01:09 < Bradipo> I'm not worried about SSH scanning necessarily because password logins are not allowed given that I have a Match User * that sets "AuthenticationMethods publickey"
01:11 < sibiria> i'd think it's more that the pf "moving average" algo isn't really up to snuff
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01:11 < Bradipo> That's kind of what I was wondering...
01:12 < Bradipo> I read the description of the "moving average" and I'm not convinced it is doing it correctly.
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01:14 < Bradipo> What I really need is just a simple mechanism for triggering a hole in the firewall to open up port 22 to whatever IP I may be coming from.
01:14 < Bradipo> Some kind of port knocking.
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01:15 < sibiria> why not just move your sshd off from port 22 to save yourself all the noise, and feel comfortable in the fact that it's one of the most vetted pieces of software out there and it's fine that it's listening to everything
01:16 < Bradipo> Well, I'm fairly comfortable already, but I like tarpitting bad actors.
01:16 < caze> ARP already firewalls ssh. I have no idea what their rule is.
01:17 < sibiria> you could run honeypot facsimile on port 22 just for that. real sshd elsewhere
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01:18 < Bradipo> Yeah.
01:19 < Bradipo> Actually, what I really want is to redirect bad actors to a spamd like thing.  Maybe honeypot fascimile will do this...
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01:29 < Intrepid> Hi all, I'm keen to get some suggestions on how I can most easily create a libre office document with file attributes (creation/modified dates) that are different to the system current date...
01:30 < Bradipo> OpenBSD doesn't store creation date of a file.
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01:31 < Bradipo> Or if it does, it doesn't expose it.
01:31 < mischief> there's no ctime in ufs?
01:31 < Intrepid> If I were to modify my system time/date setting temporarily to say a date from 2 years ago before creating/saving the document and then change the system date/time back afterward before shutting down, would I create any issues for my OS?
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01:32 < Bradipo> Create your file, then use "touch" to change the date.
01:32 < Bradipo> Does ctime represent the creation time?
01:33 < Intrepid> sounds good Bradipo , and is touch a standard program within OpenBSD or a package I'll need to dload?
01:33 < Bradipo> Or does it represent the change time?
01:33 < Bradipo> When I run "stat -x file" it doesn't display any "creation" date.
01:33 < mischief> ctime is creation time in traditional unix lingo IIRC
01:33 < mischief> mtime is modification time
01:34 < Bradipo> Hmm.
01:34 < Intrepid> PS: It needs to cover all relevant file attributes so that there's no inconsistencies between either the creation or modification date, and whatever other attribute I've not thought of :/
01:35 < thrig> change time. "creation" is added in some extended structs on some filesystems
01:36 < sibiria> you're possibly best off temporarily changing system time, because the document format might contain internal timestamps, too
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01:37 < Bradipo> Yeah, best bet is to set the clock.
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01:37 < Bradipo> But touch will alter the modification time and access time.
01:37 < Bradipo> Doesn't appear to modify the change time.
01:37 < thrig> openbsd don't like large clock changes?
01:37 < mischief> thrig: 'change time' is mtime, no?
01:37 < sibiria> i'm sure openbsd can cope
01:38 < thrig> no, mtime is mtime. ctime is change time. there is no creation time in the traditional fs
01:38 < mischief> ?? what is the difference between mtime and ctime then
01:38 < thrig> struct timespec st_ctim;    /* time of last file status change */
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01:38 < thrig> struct timespec st_mtim;    /* time of last data modification */
01:39 < Intrepid> Thanks sibiria helpful as always :)
01:39 < thrig> (and atime is sometimes turned off for speeds reasons)
01:40 < Bradipo> mischief: If you touch the file, or alter its contents, that updates the change time and modification time.  If you just chmod the file, it alters only the change time.
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01:44 < Bradipo> sibiria: I wonder if the moving average calculation somehow is losing data if the connection state disappears quicker than it can measure it?
01:45 < sibiria> Bradipo: it's entirely possible, depending on their approach to the algorithm. i don't think it's a proper moving average because those require sampling every interaction from every IP address to track. it's a bit costly
01:45 < thrig> you could also use a log scanner to track slow trickle abuse
01:45 < Bradipo> e.g. if the attack complets the 3-way handshake and then closes the connection faster than pf/kernel can make an observation.
01:45 < sibiria> likely a approximation of "moving avg."
01:46 < sibiria> an*
01:46 < Bradipo> Yeah, ok, sounds like scanning the log for abuse may be a more reliable mechanism than pf.
01:47 < thrig> pf is more a first line defense that will spare some more expensive log scanning
01:48 < thrig> (or it will detect the web guy who hasn't learned about connection bonding yet)
01:48 < Bradipo> I originally had 3/60 as the rate, and that caught some.  I changed it to 3/300 and that caught *more*, but clearly some are slipping through.
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01:49 < Intrepid> ok bbl once I've tried this temporary system clock change using the date command
01:49 < Intrepid> thanks again all
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01:49 < Bradipo> I wonder if LD_LIBRARY_PATH could be used to provide a fake set of date functions...
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01:52 < Bradipo> Well, I suppose that wouldn't help the filesystem... that would only make it so Libre Office calling date functions would be tricked.
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10:49 < solene> IcePic: I'm not really using gemini to be honest, but I publish there :D (and on gopher too of course)
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13:23 < amnesiac> hi
13:23 < amnesiac> how to operate on multilun disk devices with openbsd ? 
13:24 < amnesiac> i have message like "sd5 at scsibus6 targ 1 lun 0: <, , > serial." in dmesg. How i could access this device or convert it to standard device ?
13:25 < amnesiac> accessing it with disklabel says DIOCGDINFO: Input/output error
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13:48 < byteskeptical> amnesiac: looks like there is some support missing either for the multilun format in general for the specific hardware you have 
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13:49 < amnesiac> its usual 1tb sata disk drive via jmicron usb -sata converter
13:50 < amnesiac> previously was attached via agestar case which too with jmicrom coontroller could build raid 0/1/lun
13:50 < amnesiac> and it was 0 in raid 1
13:51 < byteskeptical> amnesiac: well whatever headers that process is outputing is not being recognized.
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13:51 < amnesiac> so now it connected via sata - usb bridge to same machine and could not be detected
13:51 < amnesiac> kernel says it sd device
13:51 < amnesiac> byteskeptical, thank you.
13:52 < byteskeptical> no worries
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19:16 < harpia> What CLI torrent client would you suggest? I'm using Transmission, but would prefer something lighter and more CLI-oriented.
19:18 < harpia> It's running on a headless OpenBSD system...
19:18 < harpia> just for seeding torrents I like
19:19 < ivdsangen> maybe rtorrent is the right choice
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19:19 < sibiria> rtorrent is not the right choice. it's bugged since over a decade. will eat up all your RAM
19:21 < sibiria> transmission really is light. there's also a cli version
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19:22 < sibiria> libtorrent also has a cli client, but not sure how evolved it is. in the past it was considered "example software"
19:22  * oldlaptop would rather get those linux ISOs mailed in on plastic circles these days, if the http mirrors aren't good enough
19:23 < ludo> transmission-cli , btpd (I think you have to build it yourself)
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19:28 < harpia> Do you know if transmission uses its own torrent library? couldn't find the answer on their project site, and libtorrent doesn't list it.
19:28 < harpia> sorry, that's offtopic
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19:30 < sibiria> it does
19:31 < sibiria> libtorrent, too, is a project of its own
19:41 < avemestr> harpia: rtorrent works fine, though the README mentions slow hashing on BSD systems.
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19:47 < sibiria> i highly recommend against rtorrent. it will evict pages from memory slowly until your client starts eating into swap memory
19:47 < sibiria> part of its bugged hashing method
19:47 < sibiria> the bug has been left unresolved since late 2000s
19:47 < sibiria> "because it works OK on linux"
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20:02 < avemestr> Yet, I've been running it for years on both amd64 and more recently on arm64 without experiencing that.
20:03 < sibiria> works ok if you download a torrent quickly and then delete it
20:03 < sibiria> if you keep torrents running, it'll spaz out
20:04 < sibiria> and the larger the number of pieces in each torrent, the more villainry it commits to
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20:15 < ludo> oh so it encourages leeching...
20:16 < tommyrot> hit and run!
20:16 < ludo> I tried it out on linux once and the interface was so strange. It processed and processed before letting me interact with it. At 100 torrents I never got any chance to do anything
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21:05 < sibiria> rtorrent interface is indeed a trainwreck. i really like transmission and its web interface. simple and to the point
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21:44 < Lucas6023> harpia: Transmission, in transmission-daemon + transmission-remote pair. There was also tremc for a nice TUI in the past, but I dropped it on Transmission 4 bc it didn't work with it, and idk if it ever got fixed. I run it headless, but I do run transmission-remote-gtk every now and then.
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21:44 < Lucas6023> transmission-daemon and transmission-remote are part of transmission package. transmission-remote-gtk is its own package. tremc isn't ported.
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