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05:39 < fettuccine> hi ppl. I get random freezes lately especially when I'm doing browser-heavy stuff / opening multiple instances of a browser (firefox and tor-browser). I never get to ctrl+alt to a tty and tried ssh-ing from another device to no avail. I just force poweroff and start over again. Is there a way to get insight into what happened post-mortem?
05:46 < fettuccine> s/especially/only/
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07:48 < topcat001> monitor top and dmesg while this happens (might be a good idea to check the memory)
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10:09 < lts> I also had that behaviour with a faulty UPS
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11:28 < fettuccine> topcat001 everything instantly frezes sadly
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11:28 < fettuccine> so I don't get to act
11:30 < fettuccine> lts hm might be it. this craptop's screen gets dead pixels every blackout lol
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11:31 < fettuccine> cant wait to get a t480 or somth
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19:33 < accelerat0r> mm
19:41 < ssm_> fettuccine: if you want hardware recommendations, I've had a good experience with the framework laptop. saw a few people here and on the lists also using one
19:41 < ssm_> modern thinkpads are kinda lame
19:42 < ssm_> locked bios with hardware restrictions, cheap parts
19:44 < ssm_> purism and system76 also make open x86 hardware but I don't know much about them
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19:45 < ssm_> (as open as x86 can be, anyways)
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19:47 < ssm_> only thing thinkpads really have going for them at this point is the price, and the trackpoint (which many people will die on the lenovo brand hill to have, for some reason)
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20:16 < tommyrot> thinkpads always had hardware restrictions so idk what you're on about
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20:28 < oldlaptop> tommyrot: "always" I don't know about
20:28 < oldlaptop> whitelists for wifi radios are IIRC almost, but not quite, as old as wifi radios
20:29 < oldlaptop> ssm_: I don't care which brand is on it, but I absolutely will not spend money on a laptop without a trackpoint.
20:30 < oldlaptop> I understand system76 is working on such a thing; framework have been resolutely dismissive
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20:39 < tommyrot> the practise certainly isn't new come lenovo
20:39 < tommyrot> sure i like myself a good (ibm) thinkpad, and i know the fanboyism is there in openbsd land, but let's not praise them for the wrong thing
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21:25 < oldlaptop> Yes, IIRC the whitelists started around T30 or so
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21:25 < oldlaptop> maybe as late as T4x?
21:25 < avemestr> Not sure what fanboism that is. That people prefer laptops from a brand that historically have made good laptops that have met the needs seems common sense. 
21:25 < oldlaptop> (which were in production at the time of the Great Sellout)
21:26 < avemestr> And of course whitelists are bad. But then again: Most people would probably prefer to live with that if it means they can get a laptop with their local keyboard.
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21:28 < oldlaptop> https://fosstodon.org/@carlrichell/110571781656976874 looks rather like the end product (if it amounts to anything) will take MX-cross-mount switches
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21:29 < oldlaptop> (which should accomodate a fair bit of layout customization, whether they bother providing it stock or not)
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21:47 < fettuccine> ssm_ definitely im looking into it too
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22:11 < ssm_> avemestr: yeah the problem is that the quality slowly declined over time after lenovo acquired thinkpad. clinging to "brand" after the lenovo buyout is as good as linux users clinging to redhat after the ibm buyout
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22:11 < ssm_> which is ironic since ibm used to own thinkpad
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22:13 < avemestr> Give it a REST please.
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22:51 < SNAX_74> what happens if you don't have a /etc/boot.conf file ?
22:51 < fettuccine> wth i dont...
22:51 < fettuccine> whats that for anyway
22:51 < ssm_> well I don't have an /etc/boot.conf file
22:52 < ssm_> fettuccine: boot(8)
22:52 < SNAX_74> I thought it was used to boot different kernels ?
22:52 < fettuccine> ssm_ o interesting thx
22:52 < ssm_> you can put commands to run in the bootloader by default
22:53 < ssm_> SNAX_74: nothing happens when you delete it, except reverting to the default behavior
22:53 < ssm_> it doesn't exist by default
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22:57 < SNAX_74> ssm_, Thanks
22:57 < SNAX_74> ssm_, Sorry for the delay in response I am dealing with some occasional lagging issues
22:58 < SNAX_74> ssm_, It's usually with keyboard input
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