--- Log opened Wed Feb 28 00:00:39 2024
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00:04 < Bradipo> I have a .midi file.  Can I just play it through the speakers attached to my workstation?
00:05 < Bradipo> I see there's midicat -i, but it doesn't produce any output to the speakers.
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00:07 < thrig> speakers usually don't support MIDI, maybe instead play it with timidity or fluidsynth?
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00:08 < Bradipo> Right, I'm kind of a miditard.
00:08 < sibiria> midicat only sends/receives data over a MIDI port. you need something to interpret and render sounds from it
00:08 < Bradipo> Don't know much about midi other than it has tracks of musical voices.
00:08 < Bradipo> Trying timidity.
00:08 < thrig> pkg_add fluidsynth generaluser-gs-soundfont
00:09 < Bradipo> Ultimately I suppose I'll need to convert it to mp3 for it to be useful without a MIDI port.
00:10 < thrig> fluidsynth -i /usr/local/share/generaluser-gs/GeneralUser_GS.sf2 your.midi
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01:04 < emmanuelux> too good OS, thx
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15:53 < highplainsdruid> i've got a working softraid1 array for my boot drive and i'm practicing data recovery scenarios
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15:54 < highplainsdruid> if i remove one drive, it will boot successfully from one, but not the other.  the non-booting drive loads openbsd's bootloader, i think, but says no OS
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15:54 < highplainsdruid> i've read the man pages for installboot but i can't seem to find quite the information i'm looking for
15:55 < highplainsdruid> any tips?
15:55 < remiliascarlet> Are you sure the bootloader is installed on the same drive as the rest of OpenBSD?
15:56 < highplainsdruid> i've run installboot on both of the drives separately if that's what you mean
15:56 < remiliascarlet> Sounds like you somehow installed on separate drives.
15:56 < remiliascarlet> Then yeah, of course you won't be able to boot OpenBSD if you remove that drive.
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15:56 < highplainsdruid> well it's installed on both drives
15:56 < highplainsdruid> it's a raid 1
15:57 < remiliascarlet> Oh, missed the note.
15:57 < Lucas6023> what do you mean with softraid1? did you use a device named softraid1, or is it just RAID1 on a softraid device?
15:57 < highplainsdruid> yes sorry, a raid 1 on softraid0 device
15:58 < Lucas6023> can you show a `disklabel sd0` and `disklabel sd1`, assuming that sd0 and sd1 are the backing devices for the softraid?
15:59 < highplainsdruid> sure, one moment
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16:00 < highplainsdruid> https://sundak.net/disklabels.txt
16:00 < highplainsdruid> thanks a lot for your help
16:01 < highplainsdruid> https://sundak.net/fdisks.txt also if that's relevant
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16:02 < highplainsdruid> wd0 is the one that successfully boots
16:02 < highplainsdruid> optiplex# bioctl -i softraid0
16:02 < highplainsdruid> Volume      Status               Size Device  
16:02 < highplainsdruid> softraid0 0 Online        64022953984 sd0     RAID1 0 Online        64022953984 0:0.0   noencl <wd1a> 1 Online        64022953984 0:1.0   noencl <wd0a>
16:03 < remiliascarlet> I don't know much about RAID configurations, but I notice that both your disks have different sizes.
16:03 < remiliascarlet> And not even by just a little bit.
16:03 < Lucas6023> yes, but the RAID partition is the same in both
16:03 < Lucas6023> I believe that should be ok
16:04 < highplainsdruid> i'm working on migrating this array from 2x64gb ssds to 2x256gb ssds
16:04 < highplainsdruid> i had the same issue with the original array
16:05 < highplainsdruid> the other 64gb drive doesn't boot either
16:05 < highplainsdruid> so now that i'm ready to swap the second 64gb drive out, i need this 256gb one to boot
16:06 < sibiria> openbsd's multi-disk softraid is prone to potential problems since it writes to the array of disks in serial. something to be aware of
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16:06 < sibiria> in sequence*
16:07 < highplainsdruid> mostly i have it so the machine doesn't crash if for whatever reason one of the drives goes down during operation
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18:49 < ssm_> Is there another way to handle dkim signature filtering through smtpd, since openbsd-filter-dkimsign seems to be bugged?
18:50 < ssm_> either bugged or someone's sending me malformed signatures of massive size and there's no bounds checking or something
18:50 < ssm_> keep crashing my mail server
18:50 < Lucas6023> rspamd does DKIM iirc
18:50 < ssm_> right, I'll try that
18:51 < Lucas6023> and there is https://openports.pl/path/mail/opensmtpd-filters/rspamd
18:52 < ssm_> actually my mail server hasn't crashed in a while now, guess whoever was attacking stopped
18:52 < sibiria> i used dkimproxy for many years
18:52 < sibiria> small and very easy to use
18:52 < Lucas6023> oh, that's true, there is dkimproxy too
18:52 < sibiria> it doesn't do ed25519, though. small caveat
18:52 < sibiria> other than that i found it to be good software
18:54 < sibiria> ssm_: are you sure it's filter-dkimverify bugging?
18:54 < ssm_> it's filter-dkimsign
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18:54 < sibiria> filter-dkimsign doesn't verify inbound content
18:54 < sibiria> it just signs *your* content before you send it
18:54 < Lucas6023> hey, maybe that's why it's bugging
18:55 < sibiria> filter-dkimsign signs your stuff. filter-dkimverify (not in ports yet, has to be built manually) verifies what others give you
18:55 < sibiria> https://imperialat.at/dev/filter-dkimverify/
18:55 < sibiria> i get the feeling that your setup is z0nked
18:55 < sibiria> feeding inbound stuff into the signing process
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18:57 < sibiria> you need two separate filters for this, applied at different points
18:57 < sibiria> i can show you an example of my setup, if you'd like
18:57 < ssm_> sure
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18:57 < ssm_> I'm not gonna pretend I'm very experienced at this stuff yet haha
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18:59 < Lucas6023> actually, can you share your config, ssm_?
19:00 < ssm_> https://0x0.st/HRVP.conf
19:02 < ssm_> I notice I never recieve system mails anymore to my mbox, which is definitely a misconfiguration
19:03 < sibiria> ssm_: https://dpaste.org/pR456   something like this. "match" directives etc. not included
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19:06 < sibiria> see link to filter-dkimverify above. builds and installs right off the bat
19:09 < sibiria> ssm_: regarding system mails - yes, you need a third "vector" so to speak, in your config
19:09 < sibiria> a LOCAL match/action
19:09 < sibiria> something that simply just omits all the filters and stuff
19:11 < sibiria> typically:  listen on socket tag LOCAL; action "local_mbox" mbox alias <aliases>; match tag LOCAL action "local_mbox"
19:11 < sibiria> you may need to add some criteria to that tag, if you intend to be able to address local mails to your hosted domains
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19:16 < ssm_> makes sense, thanks for the help
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19:36 < Lucas6023> ssm_: btw, how does filter-dkimsign fail? or what makes you believe the issue is filter-dkimsign?
19:37 < ssm_> Lucas6023: I think the issue was that I was putting inbound mail through the dkimsign filter
19:37 < ssm_> but I was monitoring the process and the process would bloat to over 200M in memory usage
19:38 < sibiria> i can definitely see how it may leak memory over confusing input that possibly won't be accepted by smtpd, since it's e-mail
19:38 < sibiria> since it's not outbound e-mail*
19:39 < ssm_> this is what I get for cargo-culting other people's configs instead of reading documentation
19:39 < Lucas6023> indeed, it isn't needed in the first listen line
19:40 < sibiria> well it's not entirely obvious that this one dkim filter included in the ports only really works one way
19:40 < sibiria> it had possibly been easier to spot if also filter-dkimverify was there
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19:45 < ssm_> wee managed to fix local mail as well, just had to add a listener on socket without filters
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20:09 < Bradipo> SPF, DKIM, DMARC, all are cargo-culting. :-)
20:10 < Bradipo> spamd(8) does more for spam than all 3 combined.
20:10 < Bradipo> But all spam "filtering" has its own set of headaches.
20:11 < ssm_> good luck sending anything to corpmail without getting instaspammed without those 3 though
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20:11 < Bradipo> Can you define "corpmail"?
20:11 < ssm_> aka 99% of people I have to send mail to that aren't on the bsd mailing lists
20:11 < Bradipo> The only place that really has made a nightmare out of email is Gmail.
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20:11 < ssm_> Bradipo: gmail, proton, etc
20:12 < Bradipo> Proton isn't too draconian I thought.  I suppose I should try.
20:12 < Bradipo> Gmail has gone full on censor mode.
20:12 < uwharrie> MS (hotmail, o365) has given me some issues as well
20:12 < ssm_> consequences of living in a world where corporate money and advertising decides standards instead of experts in any given field
20:13 < ssm_> offtopic though
20:13 < Bradipo> Gmail is out of touch with their "customers", and their "customers" don't care apparently.
20:14 < Bradipo> Are you running these checks inbound?
20:14 < ssm_> I don't even have a proper spam filter setup, haven't gotten any spam in years
20:14 < ssm_> spammers just don't care about my domain
20:14 < Bradipo> Makes me wonder why...
20:14 < Bradipo> I don't get spam either.
20:15 < Bradipo> Maybe the "spam" problem isn't as bad as the Gmail "spam" folder makes it out to be. :-)
20:15 < sibiria> protonmail is great. highly recommended as an option to self-hosting
20:15 < Bradipo> Oh yes, I've been recommending protonmail too for those who don't self-host.
20:15 < Bradipo> I won't ever recommend Gmail again.
20:15 < ssm_> "hosts their own mail server? too tech-savvy to scam"
20:15 < ssm_> that's what I figure anyways
20:17 < ssm_> protonmail sucks since you need to fork over cash if you want to be able to read mail from protonmail on a 3rd party client; don't think that's a restriction on gmail
20:17 < uwharrie> or "best return on time investment is to focus on the biggest providers, there's probably only one person on the other end of this SMTP connection"
20:17 < Bradipo> I don't have a problem with ProtonMail charging for that.
20:17 < Lucas6023> I get spam somewhat frequently. I don't believe the greytrapping part of spamd helps nowadays.
20:17 < Bradipo> If they do charge, they are at least in touch with their customerbase.
20:18 < ssm_> maybe the era of mail scams is starting to end, especially with deep fake llm stuff allowing scammers to emulator relative's voices and the like
20:18 < Bradipo> Lucas6023: You think spammers are finally having queues?
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20:21 < Bradipo> I don't actually have enough spam coming in to warrant using spamd(8).  Not sure if that's fortunate, or unfortunate. :-)
20:22 < byteskeptical> i got you fam
20:24 < byteskeptical> how's the warranty on you vehicle doing these days? asking for a friend
20:24 < byteskeptical> s/you/your
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20:26 < typicat> vim
20:26 < Bradipo> nvi
20:27 < typicat> default i3 keybindings made me do it :(
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20:31 < highplainsdruid> reverse dns filter, tls-require, cut out a lot of spam for me
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20:32 < highplainsdruid> spamd never did anything for me but cause problems
20:32 < Bradipo> Reverse DNS isn't really that useful for blocking spam, but you will block some legitimate emails.
20:32 < highplainsdruid> big mailer corps rarely send from the same mail filter twice
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20:32 < Bradipo> Well, you can whitelist the "big mailer corps".
20:32 < highplainsdruid> if any legitimate emails got blocked from rdns no one has reached out to me about it and i haven't noticed anything missing ;)
20:33 < highplainsdruid> er, send from the same mail server
20:33 < Bradipo> Yes, but have you actually noticed any actual spam being blocked by it?
20:33 < highplainsdruid> yes
20:33 < highplainsdruid> lots
20:35 < sibiria> i would say fcrdns is super basic and necessary
20:35 < Bradipo> I suppose everyone has their own "tools".
20:35 < sibiria> tonnes and tonnes of connection attempts blocked by it
20:35 < Bradipo> I don't enforce FCRDNS.
20:36 < Bradipo> Except, I do use FCRDNS to inform the mail system whether it should delay the banner.
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20:36 < Bradipo> If FCRDNS fails, then you get a greeting delay before the banner is finished.
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20:36 < Bradipo> This cuts out quite a bit of spam because spammers are not patient, and not RFC-compliant.
20:37 < thrig> patience, how long will that take
20:37 < sibiria> hm, i seriously doubt that these days :)
20:37 < sibiria> costs nothing to wait
20:37 < sibiria> capacity is infinite, at pennies
20:37 < Bradipo> http://www.armory.com/~spcecdt/spamware/
20:37 < Bradipo> And yet, it's effective.  Sure, the study is old.
20:37 < Bradipo> But I still have hundreds drop.
20:38 < sibiria> it was effective in late 90s and early 2000s
20:38 < Bradipo> It's still effective today.  I have logs to prove it. :-)
20:39 < sibiria> the problem with accepting non-fcrdns is that tonnes of that comes from infected PCs trying to use you as a relay
20:40 < sibiria> there's no end to that horde
20:40 < sibiria> no good reason to accept those connections, with or without patience. no legitimate e-mail comes from it
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20:41 < highplainsdruid> it cuts out everyone who can't get their ISP to configure it for them, which is a decent hurdle for lazy spammers
20:41 < Bradipo> The difference is that I get the benefit of permitting whatever good might exist in that "horde" without actually having to risk blocking them for "living in the horde".
20:42 < highplainsdruid> we can hate on big mailer corps till the cows come home but ultimately no one my clients email will accept mail without fcrdns
20:42 < sibiria> i don't bother with graylisting either. it, too, is one of those do-gooder antispam measures that are long past their ptime
20:42 < sibiria> it blocks no spam, but annoys everyone who needs to get an e-mail off quickly
20:42 < highplainsdruid> so many businesses running on outlook and gmail hosting
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20:43 < highplainsdruid> so at least in my industry i have to have it implemented for myself
20:43 < Bradipo> greylisting is actually still quite effective, but sure, there is an "annoyance" factor.
20:43 < Bradipo> Most techniques have some level of "annoyance" factor.
20:43 < thrig> and it's hilarious when ~1/2 are on gmail and ~1/2 are on outlook and gmail ain't talking to outlook
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20:43 < highplainsdruid> it may be effective but there are better ways imo
20:43 < sibiria> effective with who? i do wonder. practically any 421 will cause any spammer to just try again. it costs nothing
20:44 < highplainsdruid> my clients want to receive emails as soon as they arrive not wait for the graytrap to expire
20:44 < sibiria> i see it on the daily. spamming hosts who keep trying for hours on end when getting 421 from me
20:44 < highplainsdruid> i have a script to scrape their IPs from the logs and block them at the firewall
20:44 < Bradipo> Regarding the numbers from my mail logs.  Of the 19,202 SMTP connections that it serviced in a given time period, 16,317 were handed off directly to RBL handler.  Of the remaining 2,885 that made it past RBL, 845 of them dropped due to the greeting delay (from the spam study that is dated to the '90s).
20:45 < Bradipo> I'd say that's a pretty good block rate for "old" techniques.
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20:45 < highplainsdruid> if you get 3 421s in the 24 hour log rotation period you get automatically blocked on the firewall
20:45 < highplainsdruid> i just wrote that script like 2 weeks ago and i already have dozens of entries
20:45 < Bradipo> You're blocking SMTP clients that retry deliveries?
20:45 < sibiria> Bradipo: and how many of those (in the initial batch) failed fcrdns?
20:45 < highplainsdruid> and my logs are so much easier to read
20:46 < sibiria> i'm betting 99%
20:46 < sibiria> actually, i'd bet 100%
20:46 < sibiria> odds are good
20:46 < Bradipo> sibiria: That's a good question, I would have to check that.  All of the ones that dropped due to greeting delay presumably failed FCRDNS or they wouldn't be "stuttered".
20:46 < sibiria> and that's your optimization :)
20:46 < sibiria> just enforce fcrdns
20:47 < highplainsdruid> i block smtp clients that get 421 from my server
20:47 < Bradipo> But of the remaining 2,040 that successfully connected, I would have to check to see how many actually failed FCRDNS.
20:47 < highplainsdruid> they're sending malformed or blank commands
20:48 < highplainsdruid> or failing fcrdns
20:48 < highplainsdruid> Feb 28 04:07:04 optiplex smtpd[60343]: 4a6737b56b6a628f smtp connected address=41.216.183.25 host=<unknown>
20:48 < highplainsdruid> Feb 28 04:07:04 optiplex smtpd[60343]: 4a6737b56b6a628f smtp failed-command command="" result="421 Internal server error"
20:48 < highplainsdruid> Feb 28 04:07:04 optiplex smtpd[60343]: 4a6737b56b6a628f smtp disconnected reason=quit
20:48 < highplainsdruid> i get tons of empty commands idk what that's about
20:49 < Bradipo> Haha, interesting, I don't know that I've seen that before.
20:49 < highplainsdruid> i wrote this script specifically to deal with them lol
20:49 < highplainsdruid> they're half my log files if i don't block them
20:49 < highplainsdruid> i think maybe scanners
20:49 < babz> the problem is that 0.01% of ISPs don't allow you to configure your PTR, so imposing a fcrdns is equivalent to prohibiting self-hosting
20:49 < sibiria> scanners and botnet components wanting to relay via you
20:49 < sibiria> looking for open relays
20:49 < Bradipo> babz: Precisely my point.
20:50 < Bradipo> babz: That's why I don't block FCRDNS failures outright, but I do give them lower-class service.
20:50 < Bradipo> If they behave well, like an RFC-compliant SMTP client, then they will continue to be successful in sending email.
20:50 < sibiria> hosting at home demands a tunnel
20:50 < highplainsdruid> or a cool ISP
20:50 < highplainsdruid> or just pay extra for business internet
20:50 < highplainsdruid> get port 25 unblocked and rdns
20:51 < sibiria> i self-host. just not at home
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20:51 < highplainsdruid> i live in a rural area and have a cooperative isp so they were cool
20:51 < Bradipo> I do both tunnel and home.
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20:51 < highplainsdruid> but my clients just get business internet and the ISP is pretty easy to work with, i just send an email to support and they are happy to set rdns
20:52 < Bradipo> Yeah, most decent ISPs have no problem with it.  What's hard to find these days apparently is an ISP willing to actually delegate a 2317 style zone.
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22:14 < Posterdati> hi
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22:15 < Posterdati> please help, is anyone running openbsd 7.4 on a proliant gen8 (mga g200eh)? I cannot make X runs :( Thanks!
22:17 < ssm_> Posterdati: how are you trying to start X?
22:17 < ssm_> through xenodm or otherwise?
22:18 < Posterdati> xenodm
22:18 < Posterdati> but now I'm trying to configure X
22:18 < ssm_> what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
22:18 < Posterdati> via xorg.conf
22:18 < Posterdati> (EE) no screen dound
22:19 < Posterdati> when not specifying mga driver in xorg.conf
22:19 < Posterdati> if I configure for mga, I've got no error, but out of sync signal
22:19 < Posterdati> maybe I have to write a complete xorg.conf with modelines
22:20 < Posterdati> monitor worked with X on debian 12
22:22 < Posterdati> :(
22:22 < Posterdati> I installed openbsd 7,4 because I believe it will perform better on this machine
22:23 < Bradipo> "better" is a subjective thing.
22:23 < Posterdati> not at all
22:25 < Posterdati> for example, booting is faster
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22:26 < fettuccine> i mean ur using openbsd. its not "better" at performance but its still "better" cause everyone values different aspects. ig an older version is still "better" at supporting older hardware? but wont be worth it when 7.3 goes outta support methink
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22:31 < Posterdati> not using systemd is another good features 
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22:38  * fettuccine highfives Posterdati
22:38 < fettuccine> openrc is decent tho
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22:41 < fettuccine> talking abt that is running 7.3 after its year (i think?) of support dangerous?
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22:43 < sibiria> it might be, it might not be
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22:43 < sibiria> keep an eye on syspatches etc. to find out
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22:45 < fettuccine> oh alr
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