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03:35 < emmanuelux> hello bridge does not "up" interfaces that are to be bridged except vether0 interface, so I need a cron job to auto "up" theses interfaces at boot, i have "up" in the hostname.xxx of these interfaces, any idea?
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03:36 < mischief> try veb/vport? my hostname.if ups all members and the veb and the vport.
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03:38 < emmanuelux> i have tested veb but bridge seems to work better
03:38 < mischief> can't recall why i swapped, but i've been using it for like 4 years now for my house
03:40 < emmanuelux> i have 2.5 gbps with bridge with 15% cpu, so i dont think i need veb for now
03:41 < dlg> can you be more specific about how bridge works better?
03:42 < emmanuelux> cpu behavior for me but I have not tested to much veb
03:43 < dlg> hmm
03:43 < dlg> every benchmark comparing bridge and veb i've seen shows veb is much faster
03:43 < mischief> i can hit >2.3Gbit with iperf3 --bidir thru veb. there's a bit of cpu load, but that's not the limiting factor for me
03:45 < mischief> though, i don't think rge(4) or celeron J4115 are the fastest things ever :-)
03:46 < emmanuelux> on a 5950x, bridge works very good
03:46 < mischief> that's quite a cpu for an openbsd bridge
03:47 < emmanuelux> it is virtualized
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06:28 < extrowerk> I have recently set up a vps with OpenBSD, i wrote about it here: https://extrowerk.com/2024-02-29/Tiny-OpenBSD-VPS.html Would you guys check it and give me hints, if it is sane setup, or  if there is anything else i should consider?
06:28 < extrowerk> Thanks.
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06:36 < dlg> does your vps use bios or efi booting?
06:37 < tercaL> extrowerk: Why enabling accounting? any use?
06:38 < extrowerk> dlg: it is bios based
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06:39 < extrowerk> tercaL: i have no previous experience with accounting, but according the name it seemed to be useful. I'll need to read more about it, thanks for the hint.
06:41 < dlg> extrowerk: pity. arm64 supports booting bsd.rd as a file from an efi system partition, which could be ported to other efi platforms
06:43 < extrowerk> dlg: yeah, but look, one have to do the install once, after that it is just sunshife and flowers. So it is ok.
06:43 < extrowerk> At least the vps was cheap.
06:43 < dlg> yep
06:44 < dlg> only thing that confused me on your post is you disabled smtpd and then configured it later
06:44 < dlg> did you enable it again?
06:44 < extrowerk> yes, i have enabled it.
06:44 < extrowerk> lemme rework the blogpost.
06:45 < extrowerk> done-
06:46 < extrowerk> i have no idea of it makes any sense to disable those device drivers, but at least it cleans up the clutter in the dmesg output.
06:51 < extrowerk> so if i understand correctly, accounting instructs the kernel to store collect and store info about the processes for traceability (who started it, how it became in existence, etc), so it could be useful to be able to trace back the processes, right?
06:53 < extrowerk> my vps is accessibly only to me, only via vps and only via key-based auth, and i think i have already disabled every unnecessary services, so it runs the bare minimum, what is needed, so traceability is not that hard even without accounting.
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07:27 < tercaL> extrowerk: Your VPS before OpenBSD, was UEFI or BIOS?
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07:28 < tercaL> Your VPS provider did not give OpenBSD choice, and I didn't know it could be simply solved with: dd if=install74.img of=/dev/vda - thinking some boot errors might occur.
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07:29 < tercaL> my experience: having "boot" in /etc/boot.conf skips the first 5 secs delay, causing unable to boot into single-user mode with "boot -s"
07:29 < tercaL> which sometimes I need
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10:06 < pardis> machdep.allowaperture=0 is the default
10:07 < pardis> and putting 'boot' into /etc/boot.conf may not do what you seem to expect
10:07 < pardis> boot(8) says "boot.conf processing can be skipped, and the automatic boot cancelled, by holding down either Control key as boot starts."
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11:00 < tercaL> I didn't know that, pardis thank you!
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11:23 < extrowerk> tercaL: the dd'ed installer booted just fine. it is definetely possible to do this.
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11:42 < pardis> it's not generally a great idea to dd stuff onto a disk that is in use as read-write
11:43 < pardis> part of your image can get corrupted by filesystem buffers that get flushed out to disk
11:43 < pardis> if your VPS provider offers a rescue system which doesn't make use of the disk, that would be a better approach
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19:24 < OwlWizard> does anyone here know wether openbsd made in just c? or does it use other languages
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19:25 < souji> OwlWizard: The kernel and most of the userland is writen in C
19:25 < phy1729> https://github.com/openbsd/src has a language breakdown
19:25 < OwlWizard> huh thanks
19:26 < phy1729> There's https://github.com/openbsd/xenocara for the x sets
19:26 < OwlWizard> was honestly just curious
19:26 < OwlWizard> like i have no preference for c, just wanted to know seeing as linux now allows rust
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19:38 < OwlWizard> btw does wine work on openbsd?
19:39 < ssm_> no
19:39 < OwlWizard> huh
19:39 < OwlWizard> is there a specific reason for that?
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19:41 < jca> noone was crazy enough to make it work until today.  there was an emulators/wine port in the old days.
19:42 < OwlWizard> interesting. im running linux but am looking into bsd's
19:42 < jca> there is no Linux compat layer left either, removed a few years ago
19:43 < souji> I bet there are some kernel level functions which needed and are not supported on OpenBSD
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19:43 < jca> short version: if it can't be built from source you can just forget about running it on OpenBSD
19:43 < jca> souji: most likely
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19:43 < lts> vmd(8) works fine for cli stuff
19:44 < souji> If you want to play (more current) games, I would not recommend any BSD at the moment
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19:45 < oldlaptop> ISTR one issue with wine was windows programs frequently wanting to map things at NULL
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19:45 < oldlaptop> (which deliberately does not work, for reasons of security and/or sanity)
19:45 < OwlWizard> not looking to switch completely to any bsd just think bsd is interesting and ill probably install one or two in vms
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20:27 < ssm_> what I do is I have a dedicated device for productivity that runs openbsd, and a dedicated device for video games that runs linux
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20:36 < avemestr> One might use a dedicated device for games running on FreeBSDish like Playstation 3, 4, or 5...
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20:38 < ssm_> never tried freebsd for mainstream games
20:38 < ssm_> was too annoying to set up compared to something like alpine or void linux
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20:39 < ssm_> I'm sure if I gave it a real try it'd be easier, but honestly I'm spoiled by openbsd docs
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20:49 < avemestr> I was just alluding to the fact that Playstation runs on FreeBSD forks... But for everything else, there's #openbsd-gaming.
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22:19 < coyote> is using out of tree ports a supported scenario? (i.e. personal ports at /home/user/ports/... and the actual ports tree where its supposed to be) 
22:21 < quinq> I'd say don't get your hopes up about that
22:21 < quinq> But somebody might contradict that
22:21 < jca> you can use /usr/ports/mystuff for wip/private ports
22:22 < coyote> jca: that was an option i was considering, i'll just go with that then
22:22 < coyote> thanks :-)
22:23 < Bradipo> I usually just put private ports in /usr/ports/category/whatever :-)
22:23 < Bradipo> As long as the name doesn't conflict with any *real* ports it works fine.
22:24 < Bradipo> But I also make sure to keep a copy outside of /usr/ports just in case.
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22:29 < phy1729> coyote: man bsd.port.mk  see PORTSDIR
22:29 < phy1729> I set PORTSDIR =      /home/phy1729/ports in /etc/mk.conf because git is a bit too large
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22:37 < ssm_> ported my favorite youtube client https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=170959086026109&w=2
22:38 < ssm_> youtube-viewer used to be my favorite, but it started requiring a google api key, so the dev made this fork that doesn't
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22:42 < ssm_> www/minitube is cool, but it has a few minor bugs and fails to fetch videos sometimes. it also won't spawn a native video player client and uses some weird embedded mpv client with bad controls
22:43 < ssm_> no comment support either
22:45 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd., I am still fairly new to git and openbsd's httpd, but is there a way to clone and commit/push to a self-hosted git repo via https? Is this possible on OpenBSD? I have spent a few hours Googling but I'm not turning up anything. Perhaps I am missing something obvious, though. I wanted to double check here just in case. Thanks.
22:46 < sibiria> yes it's possible. it's a git thing entirely, not an openbsd thing
22:47 < sibiria> you will use git on openbsd exactly the same as on linux
22:47 < dfdx> ah, okay. that's helpful in and of itself. thanks, I'll go bug the folks at #git. :)
22:47 < Bradipo> I've only ever used git with SSH.  Are you saying that it *just works* with httpd(8)?
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22:49 < sibiria> nginx, apache, httpd(8)...
22:49 < dfdx> with ssh, git works just fine for me (cloning, commiting, pushing, etc.). But I have not found any easy way to get it working with https. I have setup cgit so I can at the very least see, via a browser, the commits. but for some reason I can't clone, commit, or push via https. :(
22:49 < dfdx> that's why i thought maybe it was an httpd issue.
22:54 < kn> dfdx: git clone via https per se certainly works on openbsd, although i have no idea about httpd serving git repos
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22:55 < op2> dfdx: just serve the bare repo with httpd
22:56 < op2> ah, and don't forget to run `git update-server-info' every time you push something
22:56 < op2> (furthermore, also running `git repack -q -a -d' is not a bad idea, even if not strictly required)
22:58 < sibiria> bridging with fastcgi is a kinda common setup
22:59 < op2> yup; there's git-daemon that can provide better performances for medium/large repositories over just serving the bare repo over httpd
23:00 < op2> (but it's not chrooted -nor pledged- so personally i don't touch it :p)
23:00 < dfdx> when you say "just serve the bare repo with httpd" what does that mean? in httpd.conf just set the location to the /path/to/repo.git ?
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23:01 < op2> yup
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23:01 < op2> eventually make sure that httpd can read the files
23:01 < phy1729> Bit too close to release for "how hard could it be to pledge that"
23:02 < op2> and i can't stress enough `git update-server-info' in the remote bare-repo, otherwise your client won't be able to clone or see the recent commits
23:03 < sibiria> op2: does that happen automatically when using the git-http-backend?
23:03 < dfdx> when I run "git update-server-info" i get an error. fatal: detected dubious ownership  in repository...
23:03 < sibiria> or is it subject to the same caveat
23:03 < op2> dfdx: yup, git doesn't like when you run command as a user whose don't own the files
23:04 < dfdx> ahhhh duh.
23:04 < dfdx> thanks.
23:04 < op2> sibiria: git-http-backend is different, it speaks the 'smart' git http protocol
23:04 < op2> the 'dumb' is basically like the file:// one, it just replaces open(2) with an http request
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23:04 < Bradipo> Well, with httpd(8) isn't fastcgi via slowcgi the only way?
23:04 < sibiria> yeah but that's the usual invokation. https to httpd -> fastcgi -> git-http-backend
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23:06 < sibiria> Bradipo: openbsd httpd speaks regular fastcgi
23:06 < op2> or, y'now, you can serve git repos with anonssh with gotd (shameless plug :p)
23:06 < dfdx> I keep getting 500 errors :|
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23:07 < op2> dfdx: what are the file permissions?  maybe httpd can't read them?
23:07 < Bradipo> Oh, I didn't realize it did that.
23:07 < dfdx> i am so over my head here. If i can view all these files via my webbrowser with cgit, shouldn't that mean git via https should also work?
23:08 < dfdx> just checked ownership. its seems fine.
23:08 < Bradipo> So httpd(8) doesn't need slowcgi to be running to handle requests?
23:08 < op2> they should be fine then, can you show the httpd config?
23:09 < dfdx> sure. one sec.
23:09 < Bradipo> As far as I can tell, it only allows a socket or tcp handler.
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23:09 < op2> Bradipo: nope, httpd only serves static files or fastcgi
23:09 < sibiria> Bradipo: that's fastcgi. speaking over network (or unix socket) instead of launching an executable with arguments
23:10 < sibiria> openbsd's "slocgi" is a means of still using old CGI (aka "slow cgi")
23:11 < sibiria> it ingests fastcgi from httpd, then executes stuff as old-style CGI and passes results back
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23:13 < dfdx> op2: here is my httpd.conf: https://bpa.st/5B2A
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23:14 < dfdx> although, looking at it, i'm not sure why it works. all my git repos are housed in /var/www/htdocs/pub.xxxx.io/
23:15 < op2> dfdx: how did you end up with git-http-backend in the chroot?
23:15 < op2> afair it's just a dynamically linked executable installed in /usr/local
23:15 < op2>  /bin
23:16 < dfdx> i don't know. I don't know if that stuff is even relevant. all I have in /var/www/cgi-bin/ is bgplg and cgit.cgi.
23:16 < op2> also, the configuration seems a bit wrong to me, you either serve the bare-repo as-is (all the files, not just info/refs and /git-upload-pack), OR use git-http-backend
23:17 < dfdx> This was an httpd.conf that was shared online in various places to setup cgit on openbsd. that's where alot of this comes from.
23:17 < op2> for instance, in my setup i have just location "*.git/*" { root "/got/public" }
23:17 < op2> and clones via http/s works
23:18 < dfdx> so what you recommend, essentially, is to just remove the locations nad just put in location { "/var/www/htdocs/pub.xxxx.io/" } ?
23:18 < dfdx> wait.
23:18 < op2> you have your repos in /var/www/_git and serve them as example.com/_git/foo.git ?
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23:19 < op2> i think the error 500 comes from slowcgi that it's unable to run git-http-backend
23:19 < dfdx> i don't know what "serve them" means here. when i use git with ssh i have to do: ssh clone ssh://user@pub.xxxx.io:/var/www/htdocs/pub.xxxx.io/repos/foo.git
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23:21 < op2> OK, i had some confusion because i thought you were serving a bare repo and instead you have a config that uses git-http-backend (which i'm not sure can work in a chroot, but i may be wrong)
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23:22 < op2> i'd start with location "*.git/*" { root "/htdocs/pux.xxxx.io/repos" }
23:22 < op2> and then try to git clone https://pub.xxx.io/foo.git ; assuming you have foo.git in /var/www/htdocs/pub.xxx.io/repos/foo.git in the server
23:23 < op2> and, i forgot a 'no fastcgi' inside the location, otherwise it inherits the fastcgi setting
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23:25 < dfdx> omg!
23:25 < dfdx> that worked.
23:25 < op2> :)
23:25 < op2> and hopefully it hasn't break cgit
23:26 < dfdx> honestly i couldn't care less if i break cgit. its more important to clone and push.
23:26 < dfdx> okay, cloning worked, but pushing didn't. i'm assuming that's because I didn't run that git update-server-info?
23:26 < op2> pushing requires a service server-side to handle the upload
23:26 < dfdx> i get a return code 22. 
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23:27 < op2> honestly i don't know how to do it over http, just use ssh that's better anyway
23:27 < op2> remember to run `git update-server-info' "sometimes" on the server, otherwise clients won't see new commits when they do `git pull'
23:27 < dfdx> ugh. I need to be able to push. I'm trying to use this app called Obsidian and it can sync files with git but only via https.... :|
23:28 < op2> i have a cronjob that runs every hour to repack all the repos and update the server infos, maybe there are better ways
23:28 < op2> ah...
23:28 < dfdx> anyways, this is still a huge progress, thanks op2.
23:28 < op2> obsidian the note-taking app?  (know by fame, never used)
23:28 < op2> are you sure it only speaks http? :(
23:29 < dfdx> whenever I try ssh i get an error saying "unrecognized transport protocol: ssh"
23:29 < dfdx> the problem is all these apps are made with github in mind. and with github most people clone and push with https.
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23:31 < op2> dfdx: well, then i guess you'd have to use git-http-backend
23:31 < op2> the main problem is that by default httpd and slowcgi work in a chroot, and i'm not sure git-http-backend(1) can tolerate it
23:31 < op2> the version from packages surely not
23:33 < op2> a way to handle it could be to run a slowcgi instance without the chroot (-p /) and the use /usr/local/libexec/git/git-http-backend as CGI script to handle the requests
23:33 < coyote> phy1729: oh, nice. thanks
23:33 < op2> in theory at least, i never did it (:
23:33 < sibiria> or fcgiwrap
23:33 < sibiria> same same, kinda
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23:37 < op2> dfdx: but i'm also reading on r/ObsidianMD that "Obsidian Git is just running the native git commands", so maybe there's a way to have it via ssh
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23:38 < dfdx> I've searched all of r/ObsidianMD to see if anyone uses it with ssh and nobody does. nearly everyone uses github... :|
23:40 < dfdx> also, i don't know how I would do the whole ssh-keygen thing in the app.
23:40 < op2> assuming the app runs git(1), it's done automatically
23:41 < sibiria> running gitea in a linux vmm isn't too bad either
23:41 < sibiria> in fact gitea is a damned nice product
23:41 < op2> gitea runs natively on openbsd too afaik :P
23:42 < sibiria> no idea if anyone did a port
23:42 < op2> www/gitea ;)
23:42 < sibiria> *should* build fine, though
23:42 < dfdx> would gitea solve this problem, though?
23:43 < op2> dfdx: just for curiosity; if the obsidian app is using a git repository, you could also try changing .git/config to point it to your repo over ssh
23:43 < dfdx> op2: it doesn't run git(1), it runs https://isomorphic-git.org/en/
23:44 < op2> ah.  sorry for the noise then ^^"
23:44 < dfdx> i actually got Obsidian syncing with git .. using github. but it's such a pita if i want to now do my won self-hosted git repo.
23:45 < op2> gitea would handle the http push by itself, in that case it could be easier to setup than dealing with a separate instance of slowcgi + git-http-backend
23:45 < sibiria> dfdx: well, in a way. gitea is a complete integrated clone of github. with web interface, user/group management, pull requests etc.
23:45 < sibiria> very polished product
23:47  * dfdx goes to read the gitea docs...
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23:50 < op2> dfdx: there's a readme file in the package for how to do some initial configuration on openbsd: https://openports.pl/path/www/gitea
23:50 < op2> (which is in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/gitea once installed)
23:51 < dfdx> many thanks.
23:51 < op2> np; good luck :)
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