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00:28 < dfdx> op2: i can't believe it.
00:28 < dfdx> within 30 minutes I have installed gitea and have my own personal git repo and Obsidian syncs with it flawlessly.
00:29 < dfdx> so, for anyone wondering, I am using the Obsidian note-taking app on my iphone and ipad, and those notes are synced on a git repo hosted on OpenBSD, with the help of gitea.
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00:47 < Bradipo> sibiria: Sounds like I have some learning to do.  So if I understand correctly, httpd can do "fastcgi" but really all it does is speak fastcgi over a socket (unix or TCP)?
00:48 < Bradipo> Which means that I would still have to have a fastcgi program that uses that socket.
00:49 < Bradipo> slowcgi is one way because it opens the socket and then runs a "script" (e.g. in old CGI fashion).
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08:29 < op2> dfdx: yay!  happy that you got it working :)
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09:50 < jalfresi> Apologies for what may seem like a basic question, but I've not been able to get a definitive answer after a couple of days of reading and experimenting. What I'm trying to do is write a simple Golang programm that sits and reads from the /var/run/vmd.sock and simply echos the received data. I think my understanding around Unix Domain Sockets may
09:50 < jalfresi> be faulty. So my questions are: given the correct user/group/file permissions, other processes should be able to read from the domain socket and see messages and responses made by vmctl (for example)? I was able to use socat to "monitor" the socket file, so when I made vmctl calls as another user I could see the messages, but I'm unsure if socat is
09:50 < jalfresi> doing something "magic" that allows it to see all messages in the domain socket. The problem I have is that I have a simple golang program that connects to the domain socket without issues and just sits blocked reading from the domain socket and no matter what operations I call with vmctl, it recieves nothing. Can someone please correct me and my
09:50 < jalfresi> understanding if I've totally go this wrong? (basically, I dont want to poll vmd using "vmctl status" and would like to hook into the domain sockat and read all messages that way)
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09:55 < jalfresi> (apologies for the wall of text or if this isnt the correct channel for questions like the above)
09:55 < IcePic> jalfresi: perhaps vmd is already "eating" all the messages that vmctl is writing to it.
09:55 < IcePic> jalfresi: And I think it was ok
09:55 < IcePic> to post here, I mean
09:56 < __gilles> jalfresi: yes you should be able to read from the socket but the question is really what happens if you don't talk imsg in that socket
09:57 < jalfresi> IcePic: Thanks! Interesting - I hadnt considered the fact that the vmctl process might have consumed the message (again, not really used UDS before) and thus my little program would miss the message.
09:57 < IcePic> and listen to gilles, he has done tons more imsg-over-sockets than me
09:58 < __gilles> I'm 100% unfamiliar with vmd though :p
09:58 < jalfresi> __gilles: The semantics of the messaging protocol is a problem I'll tackle another day - at this point I just wanted to capture something, any bytes at all.
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09:59 < __gilles> yeah but if you're not communicating in imsg, you might not get informations at all
10:00 < __gilles> I need to read the control.c code of vmd to understand how it works, it was just a suggestion
10:00 < jalfresi> But I hadnt realised that vmctl would "take the response message off the queue" (thats how I've kinda got it modelled in my head. I was hopiong that the USD could be read so I could capture all "broadcast" messages to it. I now realise that socat was doing something a bit more clever when you "mv /var/run/vmd.sock /var/run/vmd.original" and is
10:00 < jalfresi> filtering/piping the socket messages
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10:01 < jalfresi> __gilles: thanks for the tip - didnt consider that there might be possibility that I might not get anything back due o the messaging protocol used over USD - I'll go read up some more
10:02 < IcePic> man -k imsg should give you the manpage 
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10:02 < jalfresi> ooo nice one, thanks
10:02 < __gilles> well, with imsg you are in a ping/pong protocol usually, a request triggers one/many responses, and the to be able to trigger them, the requests needs to be properly crafted, proper header and size and whatnot
10:03 < __gilles> in the example you mentionned, you had socat get the response from a propr imsg sent though vmctl
10:04 < __gilles> which is what bothers me because it implies that only one client was allowed and you stole vmctl's response
10:04 < __gilles> which also implies you should be able to reproduce with Go
10:05 < jalfresi> so just to confirm: when using unix domain sockets, if a process makes a request through a UDS, and consumes the response, other processes listening in on the UDS may not see the response. Which suggests that if process A sens a request over UDS, process B might be able to consume the response before process A? Is that correct?
10:05 < __gilles> this is purely dependant of the server code that bound the socket
10:05 < jalfresi> Ah, so implementation specific, not something intrinsic to UDS themseleves
10:05 < __gilles> yes
10:05 < jalfresi> AWESOME
10:06 < jalfresi> That answer is something I just could not confirm for that last 3 days lol
10:07 < __gilles> the socket can be considered as an AF_INET socket basically (with some unix specific features like ability to fd pass or get user informations)
10:07 < __gilles> so the server that bound the socket can do whatever it would do with an AF_INET socket
10:07 < __gilles> it can handle a single connection or accept multiple clients, it can handle connections as different sessions or broadcast
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10:18 < extrowerk> The f is this SecBSD? https://secbsd.org It seems a they forked OBSD, but on the first glance they haven't did any significant changes.
10:18 < jalfresi> __gilles: Makes perfect sense now, thank you. In that case, if I want to monitor all messages and repsonses sent (much like I was using socat before) then I need to change my program to do something similar
10:18 < IcePic> extrowerk: just one in a long list of useless forks
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10:19 < IcePic> extrowerk: but they did have lots of programmer bios and webpage design going for them if not any code. 8^D
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10:21 < __gilles> jalfresi: what I'd do is implement the monitor command in Go
10:21 < __gilles> so a go program that connects to the unix socket, sends a IMSG_MONITOR or whatever its called in imsg protocol
10:21 < __gilles> then read all answers in imsg protocol
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10:22 < __gilles> which basically means implementing a trimmed down vmctl in Go
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10:23 < extrowerk> IcePic: do not forget the inclusive coc
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10:29 < IcePic> extrowerk: shame if only code they come up with is CoC...
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10:49 < Guestmodinfo> hi
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10:51 < jalfresi> __gilles: Apologies, was away from kb - IMSG_MONITOR in IMSG protocol - fantastic - this is EXACTLY what I'm after, and yes, I had considered that I might have to implement a vmctl go library (which would be very handy for some future project ideas)
10:51 < jalfresi> Thanks again everyone, got answers to all my questions! You guys rock
10:51 < IcePic> jalfresi++
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11:12 < Guestmodinfo> How to install menuet OS using qemu. i did using what they had mentioned on their website qemu-system-x86_64 -m 2048 -fda M6415000.IMG
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11:14 < Guestmodinfo> but error message says WARNING: image format was not specified for M6415000.IMG and probing guessed raw. specify the raw format explicitly to remove the restrictions
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11:50 < Guestmodinfo> ok i could install using their .iso
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12:44 < anexit> Hey all, upgrading an old server where can I find older versions?
12:44 < anexit> sysupgrade: Error retrieving https://ftp3.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.0/amd64/SHA256.sig: 404 Not Found
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12:45 < sibiria> try a different mirror
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12:46 < anexit> artfiles has it
12:46 < anexit> thanks
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13:15 < renaud> ftp.eu.openbsd.org has all releases from 2.0
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16:51 < loganaden> brynet: hey man :-)
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16:55 < dayid> I broke myself today I think - snapshot (just updated ~30 ago); my nagios cgi's now segmentation fault. Packaged nagios-4.4.13 - running any cgi just immediately segmentation faults. a ktrace shows execve JUSTRETURN \n RET   #0 (unimplemented syscall) -1 errno 78 Function not implemented --- I'm completely baffled on debugging it further though.
16:55 < dayid> I thought maybe the nagios pkg_update broke, but the particular cgis on disk are still from Jul 2022 so they aren't recently updated. This naturally gives me 500s in browser - but AFAICT my slowcgi/httpd are still working fine it's just they can't return the cgis since they coredump.
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17:09 < op2> dayid: if the executable is from jul 2022 you can't expect to run it on -current, even if statically linked
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17:10 < Bradipo> Unless the CGIs are scripts.
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17:11 < op2> true, but scripts don't usually segfaults ;)
17:12 < op2> given the time, it could be either the syscall(2) removal, or CET/BTI
17:12 < Bradipo> Not usually, no.
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17:12 < Bradipo> I'm unfamiliar with CET/BTI...
17:12 < Bradipo> CET is a timezone in Europe...
17:13 < op2> unfortunately 3 letters acronym are sometimes colliding :p
17:13 < op2> i meant Intel control flow enforcement technology
17:14 < op2> in any case, dayid: does they still segfaults if you recompile them?
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17:30 < dayid> op2: Yeah, that's where I was a bit confused - I've been a bit blind to the "inners" of this since it's always "just worked".
17:30 < dayid> The cgis are: "ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1"
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17:31 < dayid> I've never compiled these myself, always just used pkg_add; this may just be that the packages aren't yet rebuilt in with the update (and yes, they were done with `-D snap`)
17:31 < anexit> possible to have xfce4 notify me when someone logs into ssh?
17:32 < dayid> Though if they did need a rebuild for each update/snapshot I go to then I'd be surprised regarding their dates since I follow snaps and update every few weeks/months - it's not like I just jumped from 2 summers ago to current
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17:33 < dayid> My (perhaps unwarranted) expectation is that this is because some improvement being done and that things like "JUSTRETURN" *has* been there all this time but is now removed as some update/security-fix, etc.
17:33 < dayid> I follow the mailing lists but short of seeing that exact call mentioned I wouldn't know the warrants one way or another regarding it.
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17:35 < Bradipo> anexit: Looking for sshbiff? :-)
17:35 < anexit> sshbiff?
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17:35 < Bradipo> I assume you're not familiar with biff(1)/
17:35 < Bradipo> biff(1)?
17:36 < Bradipo> http://man.openbsd.org/biff
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17:42 < anexit> hmm
17:42 < anexit> Bradipo: how can I pass ssh to it?  
17:42 < op2> dayid: ah, well, packages should just work then; the comment about the executable being from 2022 made me think was locally bulit
17:42 < anexit> biff y -f /var/log/authlog
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17:43 < Bradipo> anexit: Well, it was mostly tongue-in-cheek.
17:43 < dayid> op2: Yeah, may just be package-syncing and normal "sometimes snapshots break" - just haven't had Nagios have such an issue in a long time -- but usually I'm "good enough" to figure out my problem and this one is just above my skillset to identif.
17:43 < Bradipo> A sort of geeky old school unix joke.
17:43 < anexit> I see
17:43 < anexit> ha
17:43 < Bradipo> Clearly you're not that old since you didn't know what biff(1) was. :-)
17:44 < anexit> a dead dog
17:44 < anexit> 38
17:44 < anexit> I feel old
17:44 < anexit> :P
17:44 < Bradipo> There may be a sshbiff out there.
17:45 < Bradipo> I suppose it would really be comsat(8) that you might want to look into.
17:45 < Bradipo> biff(1) is just a way to instruct your terminal whether or not you want to be notified by comsat(8).
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17:46 < anexit> yeah, I think fail2ban can do it as well
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17:47 < anexit> I just have this guy that is in IT department keeps trying to ssh into my personal pinebook
17:48 < anexit> So I blocked him but since his friggin copiers/printers do dhcp it makes things break for me.
17:48 < mischief> tail -f /var/log/authlog | xargs -I{} notify-send SSH '{}'
17:48 < op2> dayid: wild guess: double check your mirror?
17:49 < anexit> mischief that will work
17:50 < mischief> by the power of dbus
17:50 < anexit> dabus
17:50 < anexit> bofh meet dbus
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18:40 < dayid> op2: ah, good point - can't hurt to try another.
18:43 < dayid> Same packages, no changes when doing 3 different ones, so hopefully not the problem - but a good check.
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18:52 < dayid> Oh eww... a PEBKAC for sure.
18:53 < dayid> I somehow muddled up and was looking in /var/www/htdocs/nagios/cgi-bin/ vs /var/www/cgi-bin/nagios/
18:53 < dayid> The former being the segfaulting ones and what I was looking at, the latter being the correct ones.
18:53 < dayid> All ironed out now. Thanks.
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20:21 < ssm_> bad news https://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/03/05/adding-systemd/, maybe this can be my first dive into kernel dev for openbsd
20:21 < ssm_> there's been some effort into porting the pinephone, but it never got very far I thin
20:21 < ssm_> k
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20:53 < sibiria> Bradipo: that's correct, a fastcgi request is just plain-text over network (or unix socket) with some headers/values explaining what to run and what environment variables to send along to the "what"
20:54 < sibiria> and the "what" needs to be able to receive and act on fastcgi to function
20:56 < sibiria> the point with it is that the "what" is resident, always listening on network (or socket) to act immediately, as opposed to old CGI which launches an executable on-demand
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21:20 < Bradipo> sibiria: Does httpd maintain a persistent connection (in the case of TCP fastcgi) to the server?
21:24 < jrmu> I'm trying to set up a road warrior ipsec vpn like in the openbsd faq https://wiki.ircnow.org/index.php?n=Iked.Configure , but I notice that NAT somehow isn't working properly. I can ping the VPS IP but no address outside. What tool that can help with debugging this?
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21:26 < sibiria> Bradipo: yes and no. both methods are used
21:27 < jrmu> my sysctls are properly set so that's not the cause
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21:32 < Bradipo> jrmu: tcpdump is going to be your first tool for this.
21:33 < jrmu> Yeah, going to give it a try. I tried tcpdump -n 'host 10.0.5.4' but it's not showing anything there, I may need some other expression
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23:07 < amnesiac> Hi. Which file runs kde from .xsession ?
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23:08 < Bradipo> Well, .xsession is the file that runs kde...
23:08 < amnesiac> yes, buth there should be a command
23:08 < amnesiac> *but
23:09 < Bradipo> Oh, so you mean, "what is the name of the command?" not "which file"? :-)
23:09 < Bradipo> It used to be startkde...
23:09 < Bradipo> I haven't used kde in a long time though.
23:10 < amnesiac> Bradipo, same. about 8-9 years
23:10 < amnesiac> making setup for a wife. and stuck on this
23:11 < Bradipo> I've been recommending xfce4, but lately it seems to be struggling with resources.
23:11 < Bradipo> So I'm looking for an alternative.
23:11 < Bradipo> It seems to open up thousands of file descriptors for no good reason.
23:11 < amnesiac> yes. i too remember about startkde
23:12 < Bradipo> I won't be going back to KDE though.  Too bloated.
23:12 < amnesiac> however it does not exist
23:12 < amnesiac> awesome is all i need
23:13 < amnesiac> write config once. and forget about mouse.
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