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07:12 < tercaL> Morning all, does OpenBSD has fcgiwrap as package?
07:13 < zelest> Look at slowcgi :)
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07:20 < remiliascarlet> So no scgiwrap (secure cgi) fork by OpenBSD? (just kidding)
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07:25 < zelest> I'd say forking a process (cgi) for each request is more secure than using a pre-forked worker that handles thousands of requests.. :) then each request lives in it's own memory space
07:25 < zelest> The performance is shit though. :P
07:29 < remiliascarlet> Security usually comes at the sacrifice of performance, so it's understandable.
07:30 < remiliascarlet> And likewise, performance comes at the sacrifice of security.
07:30 < quinq> (or stableness)
07:30 < remiliascarlet> This is why OpenBSD is slow, and FreeBSD is insecure.
07:30 < remiliascarlet> Of course you can have both slow and insecure, just look at the state of the web nowadays.
07:32 < IcePic> remiliascarlet: and IBM will be happy to sell it to you, if you need to lose money fast
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07:40 < ssm_> openbsd isn't slow unless you're dead set on using hardware from pre-2010
07:40 < ssm_> and that's mostly due to cpu mitigations
07:44 < zelest> that's not what I said though :P
07:45 < zelest> and it's pretty slow on my laptop from x395.. compared to Linux that is
07:45 < mischief> once you actually have this performance problem you will probably be paying engineers to fix it
07:46 < IcePic> or buy a newer laptop for zelest
07:47 < zelest> or.. no, now I'm lying.. it's not slow.. but it's slowER than Linux :P
07:48 < mischief> ryzen gen 1/2 mobile cores are pretty anemic but obviously nobody would serve real web traffic on them
07:51 < zelest> nor would anyone serve real web traffic using CGI in 2024 :P
07:52 < mischief> CGI? probably no, unless you like to be hugged to death. fCGI is probably more reasonable.
07:54 < zelest> yeah, that's how the convo started :P
07:55  * IcePic tried to hug zelests cgi yesterday, but it was too slow for it. ;)
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08:01 < zelest> it was fastcgi!
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08:01 < zelest> but indeed slow enough.. not sure why though, yet
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08:03 < IcePic> zelest: prefork and add threads and communicate via sharedmemory and ..
08:04 < zelest> :D
08:04 < zelest> yeah, tried adding threads yesterday, but that didn't help me much sadly
08:04 < __gilles> hellow
08:04 < zelest> hey __gilles 
08:06 < __gilles> You know how everything from the 80s and 90s is coming back to trend ?
08:06 < mischief> like irc? :-)
08:06 < __gilles> I can't wait to see the return of sh CGI scripts
08:06 < remiliascarlet> ssm_: I mean in comparison.
08:06 < zelest> Username: zelest; whoami
08:06 < zelest> :D
08:07 < remiliascarlet> And yes, I run OpenBSD on a couple of pre-2010 hardware, and honestly it's really not that bad at all.
08:07 < mischief> nice to see real openbsd devs hanging out here.
08:07  * IcePic is an unreal obsd developer
08:08  * zelest is a real slacker
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08:08 < remiliascarlet> I even use OpenBSD on an IBM ThinkPad T43, it's slow, but still better than the Windows XP it came with at the time of purchase.
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08:12  * ssm_ owns exactly 2 ports, no more, no less
08:12 < zelest> owns?
08:12 < ssm_> s/owns/maintains
08:12 < zelest> Ah
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12:51 < harpia> On UEFI amd64, will the installer place the .efi loader file on the ESP? It didn't do that for me, so I manually copied /usr/mdec/bootx64.efi.
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12:52 < harpia> But then I didn't mount the ESP before install. I thought the installer would recognize it automatically.
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13:51 < vortexx> to answer harpia: yes the installer should place it, although that depends on if you let OpenBSD setup the disk or if you're reusing an ESP partition due to dual/multibooting. In the latter case it needs to be copied over manually and the multiboot loader pointed at it
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16:03 < DUMBGUY> when i run `mount -t ntfs /mnt /dev/rsd1j` i get no errors but also no files. Whats up?
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16:13 < brass> DUMBGUY: Have you checked the syslogs?
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16:17 < uwharrie> sure you get no errors? you're trying to mount a directory on a raw disk device instead of a block device onto a directory
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16:21 < pardis> I just tried and that does indeed give no errors
16:21 < pardis> it also doesn't mount anything
16:21 < pardis> probably a bug that it doesn't give an error
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16:38 < DUMBGUY> well the weird part is that when i do al revez like `mount -t ntfs /dev/rsd1j /mnt`, it tells me it needs a block device.
16:40 < uwharrie> because it does need a block device and you're providing it with a raw device instead
16:42 < DUMBGUY> can i make a usb into a block device?
16:43 < DUMBGUY> also how do i check syslog?
16:43 < uwharrie> there's no need to make anything into anything. disks have dev entries for the block device and the raw disk device. you're using the raw disk entry, not the block device entry
16:43 < DUMBGUY> would the blockdev entry be rsd1c?
16:43 < uwharrie> "For example, the identifier sd2a refers to the filesystem on the a partition of the third sd device. Its device files would be /dev/sd2a for the block device and /dev/rsd2a for the raw (character) device."
16:44 < DUMBGUY> oooh
16:44 < twosevenzero> beat me to it
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16:44 < uwharrie> from https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#intro
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18:14 < anexit> Hey all, I assume this will work with openbsd?
18:14 < anexit> https://actualbudget.org/docs/install/local
18:15 < miah> try it and see
18:15 < anexit> I don't see any issue but I wanted to run it by you all
18:15 < anexit> yeah
18:15 < anexit> firefly III was a breeze but to complicated
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19:10 < lts> npm project with access to bank details.. :-o
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19:13 < sibiria> sounds fantastic. sign me up
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19:15 < oldlaptop> What could possibly go wrong?
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19:41 < miah> (everything)
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20:41 < tercal> Since days, I'm trying to setup mailman3 on my OpenBSD 7.4 VPS. Following the tutorial: https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/mailman3-on-openbsd-71/
20:42 < tercal> Running: "pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty" gives error and I have no more any idea to continue. Cannot proceed to the next steps of the tutorial. The error is: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/sVRAev6O - Any little clue, idea would be much appreciated.
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20:46 < systemdsucks> looks like a rust error
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20:50 < phy1729> possibly just a random network blip
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22:29 < ssm_> linux user is telling me it's bad to source ~/.profile in ~/.xsession, and instead should put vars like EDITOR, VISUAL, IRCUSER and the like in my shellrc. Any opinions on this?
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22:34 < ludovicus> never heard of anyone sourcing .profile in .xsession
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22:35 < Bradipo> One OpenBSD, using ksh, I usually set ENV=${HOME}/.kshrc in .profile.  Then configure the environment that I want in ${HOME}/.kshrc.
22:36 < Bradipo> ssm_: Have a look at the man page for ksh.
22:36 < Bradipo> I've never had to source .profile from .xsession, but then, I also run xterms as login shells.
22:36 < Bradipo> XTerm*loginShell:true
22:37 < Bradipo> That's been recently added to .Xdefaults by default on OpenBSD.
22:37 < uwharrie> I've always put things that need to be run/set/done only once at login in ~/.profile and sourced it from .xsession so it works for both ssh and xenodm
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22:46 < ssm_> Bradipo: that's cool, and maybe correct, but it sounds like way more work than just putting . ~/.profile in ~/.xsession
22:46 < Bradipo> Suit yourself.
22:46 < Bradipo> I've never had the need for things in my ~/.profile to be present in my ~/.xsession.
22:47 < Bradipo> My .xsession is fairly minimal too.
22:55 < Bradipo> I suppose it depends on which things you expect to inherit the things set in the .profile.
22:55 < ssm_> I have EDITOR, VISUAL, PAGER, MANPAGER, IRCUSER, IRCREAL, and some dbus stuff set in my ~/.profile
22:56 < Bradipo> If all you care about are terminals, then any terminal that starts ksh as a login shell will already be getting the variables.
22:56 < Bradipo> There's a long thread about it here: https://marc.info/?t=142828532200001&r=1&w=2
22:56 < Bradipo> And another here: https://marc.info/?t=149214163000001&r=1&w=2
22:57 < Bradipo> So, let me ask this, how many non-shell non-terminal programs need to have EDITOR, VISUAL, PAGER, etc... ?
22:57 < Bradipo> You don't have to answer...
22:57 < Bradipo> Just food for thought.
22:58 < ssm_> in case they're configured to fork a terminal, like claws-mail, quite a few I'd think
22:58 < ssm_> unless the forked terminal and shell knows to source those, I guess
22:59 < Bradipo> But if it's forking a terminal, won't the terminal run ksh as a login shell?
22:59 < ssm_> guess so
22:59 < uwharrie> I never started my terminals with login shells
22:59 < Bradipo> I suppose at one point in time xterm didn't default to running as a login shell.
23:00 < Bradipo> That would have made things challenging.
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23:01 < Bradipo> Raises the question... why doesn't /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsession load ~/.profile?
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23:03 < uwharrie> ...or shouldn't xendom/*dm launch the session as a child of a login shell?
23:04 < Bradipo> If it did, then I suppose we couldn't argue about the best way to get variables exported in the proper places. :-)
23:06 < ssm_> hmm, IRC* vars are still tricky though, because I want those sourced by both shell and X, since hexchat isn't a shell
23:07 < ssm_> I could just make a ~/.globalrc or something
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23:07 < Bradipo> Well, what if you just put expor ENV=${HOME}/.kshrc in your .xsession?
23:07 < Bradipo> I haven't tried that, but it was one of the things suggested in the thread on the ML.
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23:07 < Bradipo> So both .profile and .xesssion "source" the same location.
23:08 < Bradipo> Sorry, export ENV=${HOME}/.kshrc in your .xsession
23:08 < Bradipo> Which is effectively what you just said by having a ~/.globalrc
23:09 < Bradipo> So export ENV=${HOME}/.globalrc
23:09 < Bradipo> If it doesn't work, then I suppose just source your ~/.profile in .xsession. lol
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