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04:20 < ssm_> I'm trying to configure smtpd to sort my openbsd mailing list mail into specific maildir paths, currently my action line looks like `action "openbsd_mail" maildir "~/Maildir/.INBOX.%{sender.user}" alias <aliases>`, but mail is either not being put in Maildir at all, or it's just getting dumped into Inbox (can't figure out which)
04:20 < ssm_> match line is `match from src "openbsd.org" for domain "example.com" tag INBOUND action "openbsd_mail"`
04:22 < ssm_> maybe I need to create the path whatever %{sender.user} expands to, but I don't know what that looks like specifically
04:22 < ssm_> openbsd.org.owner-* maybe?
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06:25 < vdamewood> Is there some way to build an ISO file of OpenBSD for arm64?
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06:40 < IcePic> vdamewood: "man release" if followed should produce ISO-files at step #7
06:40 < IcePic> but its far easier to just download the ISOs from one of the mirrors
06:41 < vdamewood> Last I checked, there were no ISOs for ARM64.
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06:41 < IcePic> snapshots have them
06:41 < IcePic> https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/arm64/
06:43 < vdamewood> IcePic: Oh, thanks.
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08:50 < Voyager_MP> Hi, what happend to cwm ? I can'f find it anymore in pkg_add 
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08:58 < Voyager_MP> Sorry, stupid of me :D 
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09:24 < remiliascarlet> It's included with the system.
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09:34 < nmingotti> Hi guys, I can't find "git" packge in stable. "pkg_info -Q git" . Do you know something about it ?
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10:17 < op2> nmingotti: try pkg_info -Qa git
10:18 < op2> on -stable -Q alone won't find packages which received backports
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10:57 < pardis> -aQ, not -Qa (the latter searches for packages with "a" in the name)
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10:58 < op2> ooops, yeah :)
10:58 < pardis> and you have that backwards, on -stable the default is to stop searching at the first repository with results
10:58 < pardis> so it will *only* find packages with updates, if there are any that match
11:00 < op2> ah yeah, i don't use -stable enough ;)
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12:14 < Posterdati> hi
12:14 < Posterdati> please help, is atheros ar542x working with openbsd7.4? Thanks!
12:17 < remiliascarlet> I have no idea what their business plans are right now.
12:17 < Posterdati> remiliascarlet: aha funny...
12:19 < remiliascarlet> OK, a more serious answer now.
12:19 < remiliascarlet> https://man.openbsd.org/?query=wireless&apropos=1
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12:19 < remiliascarlet> Not here? Then it's not supported.
12:22 < remiliascarlet> The closest would be `athn`, but it seems like it does support AR541x, but not AR542.
12:22 < remiliascarlet> s/AR542/AR542x
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12:27 < IcePic> ath(4) seems to work for AR5424 at least
12:27 < IcePic> https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=6951 has
12:27 < IcePic> ath0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Atheros AR5424" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 16
12:27 < IcePic> ath0: AR5424 14.2 phy 7.0 rf 10.2 eeprom 5.3, WOR4W, address xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
12:28 < Posterdati> ath0: ar5k_ar5212_nic_wakeup: invalid radio frequency mode
12:29 < Posterdati> ath0: unable to reset hardware; hal status 0
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12:29 < sibiria> wifi support in openbsd is pretty spotty. intel stuff has least problems
12:29 < IcePic> unable to reset is listed in the manpage as "this should not happen". 8-/
12:32 < Posterdati> nice...
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12:33 < remiliascarlet> This is generally the case with all BSD's. In my experience, FreeBSD is worse than OpenBSD when it comes to supporting network cards.
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12:58 < shiranaihito_> hey i'm trying to boot an OBSD installer from a USB stick, but it says stuff like "hd0a:/etc/boot.conf: invalid argument"
12:58 < shiranaihito_> and then there's a boot> prompt
12:58 < shiranaihito_> what am i doing wrong?
12:59 < shiranaihito_> it's an Intel NUC and i chose the "amd64" image, and wrote that to the USB stick with "dd"
12:59 < IcePic> perhaps the stick is hd1a and you just need to go "boot hd1a:bsd.rd" to start the installer
12:59 < shiranaihito_> hmm
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13:00 < shiranaihito_> it says "hd1a:/etc/random.seed: invalid argument" (i tried with hd1, and hd2 too)
13:01 < shiranaihito_> it lists hd0, hd1 and hd2 and i have two internal drives and the USB stick connected
13:01 < IcePic> you should be able to do something like "ls hd0a:" and if that is an ffs then you should see bsd files on it
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13:02 < wheelsmeo> speaking of wifi, I noticed that openbsd doesn't like to switch between APs, it'd rather stick to an AP with a much weaker signal than roam to a closer one, is there a knob I can twist for this
13:02 < IcePic> from boot> that is
13:02 < IcePic> it has some kind of ls support
13:02 < shiranaihito_> they all say something about "stat" and invalid argument
13:03 < shiranaihito_> why is every error an "invalid argument"? :P
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13:03 < IcePic> shiranaihito_: did you dd the .img or the .iso file to the stick?
13:04 < shiranaihito_> at first i dd'd the .iso file, and then realized it should have been .img :P
13:04 < shiranaihito_> so now it's the img.. the iso thing didn't even register as a bootable device in the BIOS
13:04 < langley> dears im new to openbsd, i'v installed nnn tho when trying to create new file with 'n' then 'f' then type filename, it says "Invalid Argument" how can i troubleshoot such thing?
13:06 < shiranaihito_> this is weird though.. i've used an OBSD USB installer before, and everything went fine then
13:07 < shiranaihito_> could this be related to how i format the disk in macOS Disk Utility? i chose "DOS / FAT" and Master Boot Record
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13:09 < shiranaihito_> though i guess that stuff gets overwritten by "dd"
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13:13 < shiranaihito_> could this be related to "secure boot keys"? it complains about some "random seed" missing
13:15 < sibiria> that should only happen on first boot
13:15 < sibiria> after that the seed file should be replenished and present
13:17 < sibiria> try disabling CSM and secure boot, so that you're running an "open" form of UFEI
13:17 < sibiria> UEFI*
13:18 < shiranaihito_> "CSM"? i just changed "secure boot mode" from "custom" to "standard"
13:18 < shiranaihito_> "OS Type" = "Other OS"
13:18 < sibiria> CSM is the BIOS backwards compatiblity mode. disable it in order to run the system as a modern UEFI thing
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13:19 < sibiria> and disable secure boot
13:20 < shiranaihito_> i don't think i've seen anything like "CSM" in the BIOS
13:21 < shiranaihito_> should "OS Type" be "Windows UEFI Mode" or "Other OS"?
13:21 < sibiria> other
13:21 < shiranaihito_> "Secure Boot Mode" should be "Standard" or "Custom"?  it was Custom before when nothing was happening
13:21 < tercaL> What's httpd equivalent of Apache's "Options FollowSymLinks"?
13:21 < sibiria> try standard, i guess
13:22 < shiranaihito_> ohh hmm.. well "Custom" mode enables the Clear/Install "Secure Boot Keys" stuff that i was looking for - i had "cleared" them before because i thought it was some Windows crap
13:23 < shiranaihito_> any idea about "Audit Mode" or "Deployed Mode"? i have no clue wtf those mean
13:23 < sibiria> no idea. i'd guess the latter
13:24 < shiranaihito_> ok :)
13:24 < shiranaihito_> looks like i'm back in the "boot" menu with nothing happening
13:24 < shiranaihito_> weird how everything went smoothly with my older Ryzen computer
13:25 < shiranaihito_> maybe the image was somehow broken
13:25 < sibiria> i presume you're booting a plain install.img DDd onto the USB memory
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13:26 < sibiria> if on macOS, "of" argument should be /dev/rdiskX
13:26 < shiranaihito_> right, but /dev/rdisk4 didn't work, it said "device busy" or something
13:27 < sibiria> you will need to unmount the device first
13:27 < shiranaihito_> dd did something only when i chose /dev/rdisk4s1 .. but maybe that's wrong somehow
13:27 < sibiria> diskutil unmountDisk disk4
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13:27 < shiranaihito_> but after unmounting, the "disk4" was gone from "dev"
13:27 < sibiria> diskutil list <- to see what's connected first, to get the correct device number
13:27 < sibiria> unmount, not eject
13:27 < shiranaihito_> ok maybe that's the problem
13:28 < sibiria> if you "unmount" it via Finder or the desktop, you will be ejecting it
13:28 < sibiria> so do it from the terminal as i suggested above
13:28 < shiranaihito_> alright, nice catch :)
13:28 < shiranaihito_> i did "unmount" from Finder
13:28 < sibiria> plug device in; diskutil list; diskutil unmountDisk diskN; dd ... of=/dev/rdiskN
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13:29 < sibiria> not the "r" prefix of the disk. R D I S K
13:29 < sibiria> note*
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13:30 < shiranaihito_> ok, now it's working on "/dev/rdisk4"
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13:30 < shiranaihito_> shit.. i don't remember doing this before, but maybe i did
13:31 < shiranaihito_> alright, looks good.. now i got a popup about a weird disk after dd completed, but last time i didn't
13:31 < sibiria> the problem is likely not this, but rather some setting in the UEFI. but at least now you know you have a proper USB medium for the install
13:32 < shiranaihito_> omg it's alive! :D
13:32 < shiranaihito_> hey thanks for the help :) it's good that *some* people know what the hell they're doing :p
13:32 < sibiria> so it finds devices and boots into the kernel now?
13:32 < shiranaihito_> yes it started doing stuff :p
13:32 < sibiria> great. enjoy openbsd
13:32 < shiranaihito_> thanks, i will.. mostly :P
13:33 < shiranaihito_> i appreciate openbsd's straightforwardness and general non-goofiness, but i've had some mixed experiences :)
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13:35 < sibiria> the installer comes off as quite rudimentary, but it's simple and to the point
13:35 < sibiria> same goes for pretty much the rest of the system
13:36 < shiranaihito_> yeah.. now my challenge is getting this to connect to my wifi
13:36 < sibiria> it also helps if one doesn't approach it as if it were linux
13:36 < shiranaihito_> presumably it's "iwx0" but for example trying to "list" networks didn't seem to do anything
13:36 < shiranaihito_> right, luckily i don't have much experience with linux either
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13:37 < shiranaihito_> why does the installer ask for a WPA passphrase before a WiFi network is even chosen?
13:38 < sibiria> no idea. i have not used wifi on openbsd in quite a while
13:38 < sibiria> technically it shouldn't matter
13:38 < shiranaihito_> the installer said something about "could not load firmware iwx-slkjslkjdsd"
13:38 < sibiria> yes the firmware is not distributed with the installer, due to licensing issues
13:39 < sibiria> you will have to install the firmware afterwards, then update the system following that
13:39 < sibiria> (unless you have wired connectivity during install)
13:39 < shiranaihito_> alright, so i can't just install with WiFi
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13:39 < sibiria> no if the interface requires firmware to start
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13:40 < sibiria> not*
13:40 < shiranaihito_> why doesn't "list" or "list#" for Access Points actually list anything?
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13:40 < shiranaihito_> it just goes straight to asking for a passphrase
13:40 < sibiria> i *think* it's possible to preload firmware separately from the shell if you interrupt the install procedure, then resume it
13:41 < sibiria> well, if your device needs firmware to get up and running, and you haven't loaded that firmware...
13:41 < shiranaihito_> ok, but why does the installer pretend it supports WiFi if it can't even use the device because no firmware :)
13:42 < sibiria> it can, because not all wireless interfaces require firmware 
13:42 < sibiria> require *external* firmware, rather
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13:42 < sibiria> some wifi interfaces function right off the bat
13:42 < shiranaihito_> ok, so i'm just unlucky in that the Intel NUC's wifi device is so exotic that it requires some special firmware?
13:42 < sibiria> yes
13:42 < shiranaihito_> :P
13:43 < shiranaihito_> and i thought the NUC would have fairly straightforward hardware, since it's not a gaming computer and all
13:43 < shiranaihito_> but alright .. better luck after another shopping trip (for a cable) tomorrow
13:44 < sibiria> you can finish your installation all the same
13:44 < shiranaihito_> thanks again for solving the USB installer mystery though :)
13:44 < sibiria> then you can load the firmware onto a USB flashdrive and install from there
13:44 < shiranaihito_> oh, hmm
13:46 < shiranaihito_> so i could load the firmware from somewhere with my macbook, put the file on the USB disk and connect it back to the NUC? i wonder if that's another 1h+ adventure though
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13:46 < sibiria> i guess that depends on you :p
13:47 < shiranaihito_> it also depends on how particular everything involved is :p
13:47 < sibiria> format the USB drive as FAT32, put the firmware file (from http://firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/) on there, connect to NUC, mount, copy into place, reboot
13:47 < shiranaihito_> and/or user-unfriendly
13:47 < sibiria> this is a manual contortion
13:47 < sibiria> files go onto storage, files come off the storage
13:48 < shiranaihito_> ok, so which firmware file contains WiFi stuff? :P
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13:49 < shiranaihito_> ipw iwi iwm iwn wpi 
13:49 < shiranaihito_> guessing based on "w" :)
13:50 < sibiria> all of them. but in your case it sounded like iwx?
13:50 < sibiria> the kernel and/or installer probably made a comment about it
13:50 < shiranaihito_> ohh right the error message starts with "iwx"
13:51 < shiranaihito_> and how do i install the firmware file once it's copied over?
13:51 < sibiria> save it for afterwards, when you're booting your completed installation
13:51 < shiranaihito_> so it's automatically found from.. where?
13:52 < sibiria> no. you mount the device, then run the firmware update/install thingy pointed at the file. i can guide you through that when you have an actual openbsd installation running
13:52 < sibiria> for now you can just skip past the network setup part for the installation
13:52 < shiranaihito_> ok
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13:59 < shiranaihito_> i just realized none of the firmware files start with "iwx"
13:59 < sibiria> should definitely be an iwx-fw tarball in there
14:00 < sibiria> in firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/7.4/
14:00 < shiranaihito_> oh nervmind.. it was just listed at a weird offset so i didn't notice
14:01 < shiranaihito_> should i add "intel-firmware" too just in case it's useful? :P
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14:01 < sibiria> sure. it will be pulled-in by the firmware updater otherwise once you have network
14:01 < sibiria> but no harm installing it manually in advance
14:02 < langley> i'v installed nnn tho when trying to create new file with 'n' then 'f' then type filename, it says "Invalid Argument" how can i troubleshoot such thing?
14:03 < shiranaihito_> what's "nnn"? is this guy trolling?
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14:04 < shiranaihito_> ok, the USB with the firmware files is connected now
14:05 < sibiria> have you booted into your completed openbsd installation?
14:05 < langley> shiranaihito_:  https://github.com/jarun/nnn
14:05 < shiranaihito_> i guess now i'd need to "mount" the USB sd2
14:05 < shiranaihito_> sibiria yes i did one reboot after installing
14:05 < sibiria> ok; mount /dev/sd2i /mnt
14:05 < sibiria> if no error pops up: ls /mnt
14:05 < sibiria> are your files present?
14:06 < shiranaihito_> why "sd2i" and not "a" for example? isn't "a" like "root"/everything?
14:07 < sibiria> it's because of old standards. the "partition" created for an MBR type storage like this will be "i"
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14:07 < shiranaihito_> and nothing else but "sd2i" would work? :D
14:07 < sibiria> technically you can prepare the storage to use "a" as well, or the entire disk
14:07 < sibiria> but this is how windows/macOS/blah will set it up
14:07 < shiranaihito_> ok yes, i see the files under /mnt
14:08 < sibiria> ok. then try this:  fw_update -a -p /mnt
14:08 < shiranaihito_> oh.. it wants a "SHA256.sig" file too?
14:08 < sibiria> right, sorry
14:09 < sibiria> you'll hve that file in the same dir you took the firmware files from
14:09 < sibiria> unmount and put that file on there as well
14:09 < shiranaihito_> ok, np
14:09 < sibiria> you *might* need the index.txt file as well. i honestly don't know what fw_update wants or does
14:10 < sibiria> i always forget if it wants the whole deal or if it's fine just being pointed at singles
14:11 < sibiria> in *nix, you unmount with "umount" (u, not un). so "umount /mnt" in your case
14:11 < shiranaihito_> ok.. now fw_update wants more firmware files :P
14:11 < sibiria> try being specific then
14:11 < shiranaihito_> right, i actually remembered "umount" :)
14:12 < sibiria> fw_update -p /mnt/somefile
14:12 < shiranaihito_> oh? then it wouldn't want other files?
14:12 < sibiria> or:  fw_update /mnt/iwx-something.tgz
14:12 < shiranaihito_> so it was going by some listing in the SHA file or something?
14:13 < sibiria> i honestly don't know what it does :) i just know it's possible to install things piecemeal
14:13 < shiranaihito_> "keep iwx" "keep intel"
14:13 < shiranaihito_> maybe it installed them before complaining about other files
14:14 < sibiria> that sounds like it already did install the first few things it did find
14:14 < sibiria> verify: ls /etc/firwmare
14:14 < sibiria> firmware*
14:14 < sibiria> if you see intel/ and some other thing in there, you're good
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14:14 < shiranaihito_> shit.. where's my pipe character
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14:16 < shiranaihito_> ok, looks like they're there
14:16 < shiranaihito_> rebooting
14:16 < sibiria> great. reboot and fw should be loaded and your wifi interface sohuld be enabled
14:17 < shiranaihito_> soo how do i actually connect to wifi then? :P
14:17 < shiranaihito_> and make it do that automatically on boot
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14:18 < sibiria> "man iwx" should provide a basic example
14:18 < shiranaihito_> btw what do the numbers in parenthesis mean in "man" pages?
14:18 < sibiria> category
14:19 < sibiria> this may get you going:
14:19 < sibiria> cat > /etc/hostname.iwx0
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14:19 < sibiria> join YOURAP wpakey YOURPW
14:19 < sibiria> inet autoconf
14:19 < sibiria> <press ctrl d>
14:20 < sibiria> then:  sh /etc/netstart iwx0
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14:20 < sibiria> ping google.com
14:20 < sibiria> etc.
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14:21 < shiranaihito_> or.. reboot and no need for "netstart iwx0"?
14:21 < sibiria> no need to reboot
14:21 < shiranaihito_> i'm in trouble without being able to type pipe chars though
14:21 < shiranaihito_> i'm using a mac keyboard
14:22 < sibiria> alt-7
14:22 < shiranaihito_> keyboard layout "sv" which is.. Sweden i guess? (closest thing to Finnish)
14:22 < sibiria> shift-7 /   alt-7 |   shift-alt-7 \
14:22 < sibiria> for swedish apple keyboard layout
14:23 < shiranaihito_> that sounds vaguely familiar but the apple keyboard is a bit different
14:23 < shiranaihito_> it mostly does the same things but not this one, it seems
14:23 < sibiria> you should first solve your network. then you can fiddle around with learning that keyboard
14:23 < shiranaihito_> the "Alt" equivalent is "Option" but Option + 7 doesn't give me a pipe
14:24 < shiranaihito_> right, but i can't see my network in all the "scan" output without piping it to "less" or something
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14:24 < shiranaihito_> but yeah.. 
14:24 < shiranaihito_> i know the name
14:24 < shiranaihito_> i was just side-tracked
14:26 < shiranaihito_> nice, the wifi is alive now
14:26 < sibiria> great. now you will want to: syspatch; fw_update
14:26 < sibiria> and reboot
14:26 < shiranaihito_> next i guess i'll just "pkg_install gnome" and hope it arranges itself into a useable state
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14:27 < sibiria> and then you're ready to fight with the keyboard and whatever else you want. this sohuld be the base setup done and up-to-date
14:27 < shiranaihito_> "ocsp verify failed" response not current
14:27 < shiranaihito_> .. wtf? :p
14:27 < shiranaihito_> TLS handshake failure
14:27 < shiranaihito_> when trying "syspatch"
14:28 < sibiria> do:   echo 'https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD' > /etc/installurl
14:28 < sibiria> then retry
14:28 < sibiria> you've been connected to a broken mirror
14:28 < shiranaihito_> oh, ok
14:29 < shiranaihito_> well some "Fastly" etc CDN URL should work? probably much faster than using an EU mirror from Bangkok
14:29 < sibiria> the default url for updates etc. comprise tonnes of garbage CDNs/mirrors
14:29 < sibiria> it's an EU mirror in sweden
14:29 < renaud> or you can also have a wrong time
14:30 < sibiria> yeah time/date might be wrong, too. though ntpd sohuld've updated it already since you now have network
14:30 < sibiria> but you can ensure it:  rdate ntp.kth.se
14:30 < shiranaihito_> i don't know if it was the date thing, but that would be a super sneaky problem
14:31 < shiranaihito_> looks like syspatch is doing something now, silently
14:31 < shiranaihito_> well fuck
14:31 < shiranaihito_> now i don't know how slow it's loading things
14:31 < shiranaihito_> i set the EU mirror first
14:32 < sibiria> just let it do its thing
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14:32 < shiranaihito_> ok, files are loading now
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14:50 < tercaL> Is there any way to define fastcgi socket "/var/www/run/slowcgi.sock" for all the locations, in one go, in OpenBSD httpd? I couldn't find an option and I have to define it under almost each "location" directive, like; https://pastebin.mozilla.org/UfAbDoif/raw (which looks pretty ugly actually)
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14:55 < sibiria> can't you define it as a variable? aka "macro"
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14:56 < sibiria> e.g. hotdogs="123" -> $hotdogs
14:57 < op2> tercaL: the fastcgi settings is 'inherited' by the locations, so if you enable it globally in the server context, then you don't have to repeat in for the locations.  Then, add `no fastcgi' to the location where you don't want fastcgi
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15:33 < jakzale> Hi, is it normal for OpenBSD installer program/shell to be very slow (more than 10+ seconds between questions)?
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15:33 < phy1729> No
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15:41 < Bradipo> There seems to be a bit of a disconnected between FastCGI handling and httpd.
15:42 < Bradipo> I have a script that can take a long time to run.  The default timeout for "timeout" is 600 seconds.
15:42 < Bradipo> "for example the maximum time to wait for I/O from the FastCGI backend."
15:43 < Bradipo> But then there is also the "request timeout" which defaults to just 60 seconds.
15:43 < Bradipo> Which means that if the FastCGI binary is taking a long time to generate data, the httpd closes the connection after 60 seconds.
15:43 < Bradipo> Or even worse, if the data is already generated but the client is taking a long time to download it...
15:44 < Bradipo> Once a client begins downloading, it isn't going to send any more "request".
15:44 < Bradipo> Maybe the script is faulty and should be using "chunks"?
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15:45 < dfdx> jakzale: no joke the entire OpenBSD installation should be done in less than 30 minutes. 
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15:46 < dfdx> and if you keep speed-hitting the Enter button to just accept the defaults perhaps even less than 15 minutes.
15:46 < Bradipo> dfdx: Depends on the media to which it's being installed.  On some USB drives it can take a long time.
15:46 < dfdx> Maybe i'm just blessed with good hardware then.
15:47 < phy1729> I've done it in under 5 from initial power on to passing traffic (though I did have a siteXX.tgz). That's before autoinstall took the fun out of it.
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15:47 < jakzale> dfdx: I haven't reached the disk questions yet.  For some reason it is very slow... ^T shows 3% util, but there is couple of seconds of latency per each key press.
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15:51 < op2> Bradipo: not sure what you mean with "chunks"; but the `request timeout' should apply only to the time it takes for the client->server interaction, while `timeout' for fastcgi replies
15:52 < op2> however, if you run your scripts with slowcgi, pay attention to the -t flag (hint: it's another timeout!)
15:52 < Bradipo> Yes, the -t flag for slowcgi isn't the culprit here.
15:52 < Bradipo> It's the httpd.conf connection request timeout.
15:53 < Bradipo> For some reason when a client starts downloading the response, httpd times out the connection.
15:53 < Bradipo> Which is odd because clearly when the client is downloading content it won't be "sending" any response.
15:53 < Bradipo> Or rather, it won't be sending any new "requests".
15:54 < jakzale> hmm... disabling power management (Intel SpeedStep) seems to fix responsiveness.
15:54 < Bradipo> At the same time it doesn't seem right to increase the "connection request timeout" to 900.
15:56 < Bradipo> Which is why I wondered if perhaps the CGI script should be sending the data in chunks, rather than just dumping the entire output...
15:56 < Bradipo> Though maybe it's really httpd that should be chunking the response?
15:56 < op2> i don't think; it's httpd that does the chunking.  the cgi script can't do it
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15:56 < Bradipo> Yeah, that's what I was beginning to think as well.
15:57 < tercaL> op2: Thanks a lot
15:57 < op2> Bradipo: maybe httpd is just forgetting to cancel the timer after the replies has been sent
15:58 < Bradipo> Maybe httpd doesn't do chunked HTTP transfers...
15:58 < op2> tercaL: you're welcome :)
15:59 < op2> httpd does chunking when it can
15:59 < Bradipo> I do see this header coming out from httpd: Transfer-Encoding: chunked
15:59 < Bradipo> So why is it timing out the client...
15:59 < op2> if your client is speaking HTTP/1.1 it will do the chunking
15:59 < Bradipo> At the same time, I don't see any size for the chunks.
15:59 < Bradipo> Rather, I see no chunks in the output.
16:00 < op2> what does it makes you think so?
16:00 < Bradipo> Because normally in an HTTP resposne, the first line is the size of the chunk.
16:00 < Bradipo> I see no such thing.
16:01 < jakzale> I just got a kernel message about malloc and dump and the kernel crashed...
16:01 < jakzale> I dom
16:02 < jakzale> I don't suppose the kernel dump got persisted during installation?
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16:03 < Bradipo> In chunked encoding, HTTP sends the number of octets in the chunk (in hexadecimal) followed by options, then CRLF, then follows the chunk and another CRLF, etc.
16:04 < Bradipo> But I'm not seeing any chunks in the output (preserved with curl -i).
16:05 < Bradipo> Though, to be fair, it may be that curl is handling the chunking for me...
16:05 < op2> Bradipo: in server.c:993 the request timeout is added both for reading and for writing
16:06 < Bradipo> Perhaps there should be 2 settings, one for reading and one for writing.
16:07 < op2> curl -i is to "include response headers in the output", so i'd expect it to not preserve the chunking
16:07 < op2> i think these things are just easier to test with nc(1)
16:07 < Bradipo> Yes, I was just getting that that too.
16:07 < op2> however, not sure what httpd should do but apparently the manpage is lying (:
16:08 < op2> hum, actually not, adding the timer for both operations is correct (to catch clients which purpusefully read slow)
16:09 < Bradipo> Yes, but should the "read from client" timeout be the same as the "write to client" timeout?
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16:09 < op2> well, that's detabable.  i think it's fine to provide only one timer.  i think httpd should just reset this timer while is waiting for fastcgi to reply however
16:10 < Bradipo> Reset it to what?
16:10 < Bradipo> The CGI script has already sent the response and has actually exited.
16:10 < Bradipo> It's just that the client is on a slow connection and takes a while to pull it down.
16:10 < op2> cancel it until fastcgi has sent data, then re-establish the timer to prevent slow clients
16:11 < op2> ah, i understood that it was your cgi script to take ages
16:11 < Bradipo> You mean, as long as the httpd is able to continue pushing data, reset the timer?
16:11 < Bradipo> Sorry, I misspoke.  I thought it was the CGI, in debugging I found it was *not* the script, but the client.
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16:11 < op2> ah, gotcha
16:11 < Bradipo> A slow client gets timed out while reading.  So the data shows up as truncated.
16:12 < Bradipo> I tested using ftp(1) and it saw: ftp: Invalid chunked encoding: short read
16:12 < Bradipo> short read, because httpd gave up after the default of 60 seconds.
16:12 < Bradipo> I increased the timeout to 900, but now that means rogue httpd clients can just connect and camp for 900 seconds sending nothing.
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16:18 < Bradipo> Seems like httpd should set an alarm() and then start writing, if the alarm fires while the process is blocked on writing that means that the client has stopped reading data and can be timed out.  Or something like that.
16:18 < op2> i see.  well, i think that the request timeout is working as intended, i'm not sure you can distinguish between slow clients and purposefully slow clients
16:19 < Bradipo> Well, sure, cannot the httpd monitor progress.  If 0 progress is made during the timeout period, timeout the connection.
16:20 < op2> yeah but then i guess 'bad clients' will just read 1 byte every time interval?
16:21 < op2> i see your point; having two different timers: one for inactivity and one for slow clients, but then bad bots can still just send one X-something header every N seconds
16:21 < Bradipo> Write, two different timers.
16:21 < Bradipo> Perhaps a bit contrived.
16:21 < Bradipo> Honestly, 1 timer is sufficient.
16:22 < Bradipo> As long as "progress" is one of the factors, and not just a hard timer.
16:22 < op2> for the majority of the cases, yes :D
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16:22 < Bradipo> e.g. I don't mind having an "inactivity timeout".  SSH has ClientAliveInterval, for example.
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16:23 < op2> take this example: what if I request a big file (an image or a video) on your server and read just one byte at the time?  i'm making progress, but will take days to complete the transaction
16:23 < Bradipo> But having a fixed timeout that doesn't adjust isn't very useful.
16:23 < Bradipo> Because now I have to predict what the slowed client will be and adjust accordingly.
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16:23 < Bradipo> Rather, the slowest client.
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16:24 < Bradipo> Ignoring the rogue client scenario for the moment, since it's a bit less likely...
16:25 < op2> it's a good way to cause a denial of service though :)
16:25 < Bradipo> Given that I cannot really know what the slowest legitimate client will be, I'm constrainted to set the timeout extremely large to prevent someone being unable to download.
16:26 < op2> maybe httpd could use a different logic: check the downloaded data per unit of time and kill the connections that are not 'fast enough'
16:26 < Bradipo> Haha.
16:27 < Bradipo> I suppose I could set a threshold... e.g. if you are not downloading at least at 56kbps, then timeout.
16:27 < Bradipo> Well, for now I've just set the timeout to 900... but it seems that httpd could be a bit smarter about it.  Maybe not worth it.
16:28 < op2> it's an interesting however to think what it could do to safely accomodate for slow clients
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16:29 < Bradipo> Or even slow servers...
16:29 < Bradipo> maybe httpd is on a slow link.
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16:31 < op2> yeah of course
16:31 < Bradipo> That's why I was wondering if perhaps there were something I could do in the CGI to make it reset the timer.
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16:37 < babz> if average transfer speed during the las 10 minutes < 1 B/s then timeout
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17:01 < jakzale> How to check how much RAM the kernel has detected?  I tried installing OpenBSD 7.4 and 7.3, but the kernel keeps crashing due to malloc issues.
17:01 < Bradipo> Should be in dmesg output.
17:01 < Bradipo> Or even sysctl
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17:02 < Bradipo> sysctl hw.physmem
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17:05 < jakzale> I only see sysctl for kern.osrelease, and hw.{machine, model, product, disknames, ncpufound}...
17:05 < Bradipo> This is during installation?
17:07 < Bradipo> What does your hw.machine show?
17:07 < sibiria> dmesg | grep -E '^real|avail mem'
17:07 < sibiria> real is what kernel sees. avail is what it leaves you with after it has taken its share
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17:08 < jakzale> Brandipo: yes, still during install
17:08 < Bradipo> Looks like you'll have to use dmesg. I didn't realize the installer kernel had so little information in sysctl.
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17:09 < sibiria> if you're quick enough you can catch those lines right at the start of init 
17:09 < Bradipo> Or perhaps it's userland sysctl that doesn't have much.
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17:10 < jakzale> I have around 16GiB, which is as expected...
17:11 < mischief> ram going bad? maybe try memtest
17:12 < mischief> if you find any bad memory ranges you can try to exclude them from the kernel
17:12 < mischief> see boot(8)
17:13 < jakzale> mischief: OK, will do.  Doing a memory test will take a while...
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17:21 < mischief> jakzale: depending on how bad it is, sometimes memtest can find bad blocks in just 1 pass
17:21 < jakzale> out of curiosity, what is minimal amount of ram needed for the installer?  1GiB?  Less?
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17:22 < sibiria> i'd say 1 gb is right at the pain threshold these days. with 1 gb of RAM the relinker will eat into a little bit of swap
17:22 < sibiria> but openbsd will run on 512 mb
17:24 < sibiria> kernel/lib relinking is the hungry thing in the base system. if you discount that, it'll run even on 256 mb
17:27 < Posterdati> solved!
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17:51 < pardis> OpenBSD supports some platforms with a maximum of 64 MB of RAM, so it must be usable with that
17:52 < pardis> but the relinker is probably memory-hungrier on amd64 since there are quite a few amd64-specific components these days
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17:58 < dqk> on a thinkpad 380ed (pentium mmx 166, 80mb of ram) you run out of ram if you keep the lib relinking (or was it kernel?) but it's still start after complaining
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19:59 < tercaL> op2: Moving fastcgi socket "/var/www/run/slowcgi.sock" right under "server" directive leads HTTP 500 error. How to set it global?
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21:51 < jakzale> What does `panic: "malloc: out of space in kmem_map"` mean?  I keep getting it when trying to install OpenBSD.  malloc(9) mentions that it a memory corruption in the kernel.  I seem to hit it on 7.3, 7.4, and 7.5 (snapshot).  Memtest did not report any RAM failures after 4 passes, so I am not entirely sure what is causing it.
21:58 < quinq> On what platform?
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21:58 < jakzale> quinq: amd64, ThinkPad x1c6 to be precise.
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22:00 < mischief> jakzale: https://www.openbsd.org/ddb.html
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22:01 < jakzale> mischief: how do I enable it?  I tried via sysctl ddb.panic=1, but the system will still reboot on hitting the panic.
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22:02 < mischief> perhaps the installer kernel won't let you do ddb? i'm not sure.
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22:03 < mischief> probably something worth asking the mailing list about
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22:09 < uwharrie> also see some of the previous discussions on the topic
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22:30 < jakzale> I think it was the ure0 driver.  I had an ethernet adapter connected via USB-C.  After rebooting with it unplugged, the system started behaving normally, no more pauses.
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23:17 < vortexx> 7. src has hit the cvs mirrors
23:17 < vortexx> 7.55
23:17 < vortexx> 7.5
23:17 < vortexx> damn key that half works
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23:43 < dumbguy78> Hello. I set up a simple website with httpd. I used acme-client for TLS. If I navigate to https://www.site.net, browsers show a good certificate. If I nav to just site.net, it redirected to https. However, if I nav to www.site.net, browser does not get https. Would someone please have a look at my config? Everything is in this paste (httpd.conf, acme-client.conf, and A records). Thank you
23:43 < dumbguy78> https://termbin.com/yyvx
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23:45 < mischief> in your 'block return ..' you may use $HTTP_HOST instead of writing the actual host.
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23:52 < dumbguy78> mischief: I see, so changing these lines to `block return 301 "$HTTP_HOST"` might fix this
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23:53 < mischief> i don't know, just pointing out you don't need to hard-code it.
23:55 < dumbguy78> mischief: thanks for this, I will use that because it is cleaner. I did test after change and clearing cache etc, seems that www.site.net still does not reach https
23:56 < dumbguy78> wait I may have lied
23:58 < dumbguy78> chromium finds https when navigating to www.site.net, but firefox and safari do not. strange
23:58 < dumbguy78> this is new behavior after the change. before, chrome did not find https when going to www.site.net either.
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