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00:20 < dostoyevsky2> I am installing a new cloud server on hetzner (vps) with an openbsd iso but after the first boot is complete, I cannot use the ssh key I set for the installation in the hetzner cloud api... but not sure how the key is being transferred to the os... is that part of cloud init?  If I were to install that on openbsd, I might get the ssh key?
00:21 < dostoyevsky2> (it works if I setup the cloud server with linux instead of openbsd, I suppose they have activated cloud init by default)
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00:30 < thrig> ask your cloud vendor?
00:37 < sibiria> dostoyevsky2: hetzner doesn't do any interaction with anything besides regular cloud-init, and openbsd does not have cloud-init out of the box
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00:37 < sibiria> you will need to provide the key with openbsd's site install mechanism, or you can boot up hetzner's rescue mode and drop the key into place from there
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00:38 < sibiria> last resort is to prepare your own installation in e.g. qemu or virtualbox and migrate the VM disk image from there to your hetzner setup
00:39 < alka2> interesting, the message "error connecting to /tmp/tmux-1000/default (No such file or directory)" popped up in my xterm and I wasn't doing anything with tmux. what the
00:39 < sibiria> possibly The Hacker doing it, then
00:40 < alka2> time to nuke this drive and start over
00:40 < thrig> or /tmp got cleaned up
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00:40 < alka2> slightly paranoid because I was goofing with downloading some ports earlier
00:41 < phy1729> The setup in vmm and shove the image into the cloud provider isn't that bad. I've done it with packer for GCP and looks like packer has a hetzner plugin too.
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00:41 < sibiria> with hetzner you can just dd the .img directly onto storage from rescue mode, without involving packer
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00:43 < sibiria> their rescue mode is a custom debian installation with some pre-installed tools, network access, temp storage, and direct access to the host storage
00:43 < dostoyevsky2> sibiria: I know the key is at http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/public-keys
00:44 < sibiria> dostoyevsky2: that doesn't help openbsd out of the box
00:44 < sibiria> it doesn't *do* "cloud-init"
00:44 < dostoyevsky2> sibiria: I could put it into the rc file and write to root's authorized keys, no?
00:45 < sibiria> if you boot to rescue mode you can mount the disk from there and set-up your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file manually
00:48 < dostoyevsky2> sibiria: why couldn't I add a curl to the boot script in rescue mode that curls an authorized key from the mentioned url and adds it to root's authorized_keys file?  
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00:49 < sibiria> you can if you want to, from rc.local
00:50 < sibiria> don't forget to also "pkg_add curl"
00:50 < sibiria> (best use ftp(1))
00:50 < Bradipo> Definitely better to use ftp(1) for this, no dependency on packages.
00:51 < Bradipo> And make sure you maintain proper TLS trust.
00:53 < pardis> /etc/rc.firsttime is a better place for this
00:54 < pardis> and there is no TLS for an EC2-compatible metadata API, but it's served from a link-local address on a trusted network, so that doesn't matter much
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00:56 < dostoyevsky2> hmmm.. I am not sure if I can mount the openbsd hdd via hetzner's linux-based rescue system
00:56 < sibiria> it *should* be mountable as ufs
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00:56 < sibiria> to be honest, i don't know if debian 12 removed that from vanilla kernel... if so there might be a way for you to acquite support for it via fuse or some kernel module
00:57 < sibiria> the rescue system has network access and will allow you to install new stuff with apt
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00:58 < dostoyevsky2> oh, I needed to "modprobe ufs" first (debian 12)
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01:04 < dostoyevsky2> I can't write to the OpenBSD disk though: `mount -w -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 /dev/sda4 /mnt/ && touch /mnt/root/test || umount /mnt' -> touch: cannot touch '/mnt/root/test': Read-only file system
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02:25 < vortexx> dostoyevsky2: you have to recompile the ufs module with write enabled on linux, it's a pita that not a single distro will enable it by default just because someone marked it DANGEROUS 20 if not 25+ years ago
02:25  * oldlaptop vaguely recalls that someone switched it to enabled by default relatively recently, but not who
02:26 < oldlaptop> I would imagine (based on nothing much) that ffs2 is about the safest one to write to(?)
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02:26 < thrig> but they forgot to mark ext, reiserfs, btrfs, xfs as dangerous
02:26 < oldlaptop> as relatively narrowly defined (not so many random '80s vendors with their own five flavors)
02:28 < vortexx> does bsd.rd use ffs2 or is it still ffs1?
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02:39 < dostoyevsky2> vortexx: I reinstalled a fresh openbsd and then added a fetch for cloud-init's public key after that
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09:03 < mystic> hello guys, anyone has cache problem with browser chromium ? I mean it gives me not fresh pages.. so on facebook or other sites it gives me stale (and then fake) pages. Anyone has the same problem ?
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10:51 < pardis> you asked the same question nearly a year ago
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11:03 < IcePic> pardis: if your pages don't change for a year, then it is certainly a problem. ;)
11:04 < pardis> last year it turned out the "problem" had nothing to do with stale cache and sounded like some sort of transparent proxy on a corporate network was injecting nonsense or something
11:04 < pardis> but of course no real detail was provided
11:04 < pardis> probably just a troll
11:05 < sibiria> imo best to disable disk caches. practically no benefit in storing stuff > 24 hours. a small RAM cache faster, better, less grindier
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11:40 < dostoyevsky2> When I scp my installer to the server and then ssh to run `./installer' I get the message "Text file busy" .. so now I scp it to payload and then in the ssh I first do a `cp payload installer && chmod 700 installer' and then I don't get the busy message...
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11:43 < sibiria> dostoyevsky2: if it were me i'd just prepare my installation as a virtual machine locally, then dd that diskimage onto the host storage
11:44 < sibiria> gives you some peace and quiet to do basic setup and patching before the setup boots out in the wild
11:45 < dostoyevsky2> sibiria: my installations are too dynamic to use just a static diskimage
11:45 < sibiria> "too dynamic" how?
11:46 < sibiria> what part of the install cannot be configured once the install is complete?
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11:48 < dostoyevsky2> sibiria: the pkg_adds are different, based on the profile of the server, also what users are created and whether they are allowed to run "doas"
11:50 < dostoyevsky2> sibiria: But seems to me you are talking about the actual OpenBSD install... which I boot from a snapshot in hetzner which from after I setup cloud-init, I guess that's similar to dd'ing?
11:50 < sibiria> see "man install.site"
11:51 < sibiria> i suppose the snapshot from hetzner is similar. i never really checked their premade images out so i don't know what customization is in there
11:51 < sibiria> but openbsd's native solution is install.site since it doesn't have anything cloud-init so far
11:53 < dostoyevsky2> sibiria: My workflow is like: Create a new server with debian in the console (because OpenBSD cannot be selected there) and then attach the openbsd74 installer iso to the server after the first boot into debian, reboot -> install OpenBSD -> boot into OpenBSD -> setup cloud-init -> create snapshot ... now one can create new servers via the REST API specifying that OpenBSD snapshot... if there is an 
11:53 < dostoyevsky2> error I can just create another snapshot from that initial openbsd vm I created
11:54 < sibiria> so same as i would do but locally in qemu or virtualbox
11:54 < dostoyevsky2> the cloud-init helps a lot because the ssh keys involved are also dynamic
11:56 < sibiria> what do you mean with "cloud-init"? the inofficial openbsd port, or reyk's cloud-agent?
11:56 < dostoyevsky2> > /usr/local/bin/curl http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/public-keys | /usr/local/bin/jq -r '.[0] // empty' > /root/.ssh/authorized_keys__cloud_init
11:57 < sibiria> ok your own custom thing
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11:57 < sibiria> install.site is the openbsd method for that. for now
11:59 < dostoyevsky2> I wonder if hetzner also uses qemu to run those cloud servers
12:00 < dostoyevsky2> pcidump show me `Bochs VGA' ... I thought the disks are also tagged as qemu somewhere
12:00 < sibiria> it's probably qemu/kvm, like almost everywhere else
12:04 < dostoyevsky2> I think on aws/gcp they use Xen or the like
12:05 < sibiria> aws uses kvm, and some of their other custom ingredients in the mix
12:05 < sibiria> e.g. "Nitro"
12:05 < IcePic> I think aws used xen before, but moved to kvm later
12:05 < IcePic> but also, aws and google and such are large enough to be able to maintain and develop forks of their own
12:05 < sibiria> [    0.000000] Hypervisor detected: KVM   <-  from c6a generation 
12:07 < dostoyevsky2> aws has these devices tagged "Amazon" in the pcidump output... they have custom devices I think
12:08 < sibiria> loads of them
12:09 < dostoyevsky2> And GCP has some scsi devices tagged as Google
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12:11 < dostoyevsky2> I guess they emulate block devices on top of network storage that way
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12:36 < luna_> o: BSD Now on a Tuesday instead of a Thursday: https://www.bsdnow.tv/550
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13:03 < tercaL> Hi. Any idea on to install gnupg extension for PHP? I guess there is no such package under OpenBSD 7.4/amd64. Any clue would be much appreciated.
13:04 < tercaL> The FreeBSD does has the package, named; php81-pecl-gnupg-1.5.1
13:04 < tercaL> But couldn't find that on OpenBSD.
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13:10 < sibiria> can't imagine it'd be that hard to compile the shared lib
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14:26 < tercaL> sibiria: I was preparing to activate enigma plugin (PGP/GPG plugin) for Roundcube on OpenBSD, and I thought it would need that PHP package.. However, it seems gnupg-2.4.3p2 was enough for it to work. Without PHP module, feeling lucky.
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15:37 < NewtonTrendy> hi, I'm not overaly experienced with openbsd, but the security and updates side of it is a major plus. Would like to have a portal I can issue vouchers for that let people instance their own IPv6 VPS (any os), would also like it to use spare resources to mine cryptocurrency on CPU, I'm typically an ubuntu user so i've considered things like microcloud, but it needs several servers for high
15:37 < NewtonTrendy> availability.
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19:00 < miah> bitcoin is a waste of electricity
19:01 < thrig> and time spent purging the mail server of "brother, have you heard the good word of bitcoin?" spam
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19:04 < sibiria> and penny stocks are a waste of pennys. news at eleven
19:05 < sibiria> pennies*
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19:07 < ssm_> wasting pennies doesn't burn the planet
19:09 < sibiria> bitcoin mining's impact is greatly exaggerated. bitcoin (and crypto) transactions even more so
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19:09 < phy1729> It's also not topical here
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19:11 < byteskeptical> nice just in time for the bitcoin talk
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19:23 < NewtonTrendy> you saw the email dump? it said about how satoshi used the reason that the bitcoin blockchain uses less resources than having banking buildings and employing staff
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19:23 < phy1729> NewtonTrendy: still not topical here
19:23 < NewtonTrendy> phy1729: i didnt notice you warn the first time sorry
19:23 < NewtonTrendy> i've seen now
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22:35 < dostoyevsky2> htop shows me `Mem: 722M/1.87G' with `top -b -d 1 1 | grep Mem ; sysctl hw.physmem hw.usermem hw.pagesize ' I get: `Memory: Real: 30M/1063M act/tot Free: 850M Cache: 342M Swap: 0K/935M\nhw.physmem=2080227328\nhw.usermem=2080210944\nhw.pagesize=4096" ... somehow I am never able to reproduce memory used/free numbers, also on other OSes
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23:18 < dostoyevsky2> When I do `# pkg_mklocatedb > a' I see a lot of garbled output in a... `.rrsstpyt..hmlhttxxtmatm.t.conim2.vikerb.pin.vere.tes.re.3leakONRES.0.thliEScm1.opilptt-_CeshoINn.co10E'
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23:22 < dostoyevsky2> If I omit the "> a" it just outputs it to stdout... like 100k of garbled output...
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