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00:18 < pardis> what exactly are you expecting?
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02:44 < jrmu> I received a DMCA notice for a user who seems to be torrenting something copyrighetd. Would these two rules be sufficient to block torrenting?
02:44 < jrmu> block drop quick proto {tcp udp} from $IP to port {6969 6881:7000}      block drop quick proto {tcp udp} to $IP port {6969 6881:7000}
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03:13 < tommyrot> sure, if they stick with the default ports
03:13 < jrmu> sounds good. And if they don't, I'm going to just shut down the entire virtual machine :)
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15:17 < dostoyevsky2> I now have a script in place that checks whether the internet is gone and then runs a `route del default; route add default 172.31.1.1' -- somehow that's necessary on hetzner cloud like every two months
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15:20 < IcePic> perhaps they have a 2m leasetime on dhcp?
15:20 < IcePic> ..which acts up in some way
15:21 < dostoyevsky2> no idea, seems to only happen with OpenBSD... the linux instances seem fine
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16:13 < tommyrot> using dhcpleased?
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16:34 < izder456> i take MAINTAINER on several ports with no ONLY_FOR_ARCH set. looking through the ports@ list this morning i saw the some have failed on hardware i dont have access too. is there a special practive we do when this occurrs, or is the port just never built into binary at release for that arch?
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18:28 < ssm_> I'm looking to buy a new wireless card for my framework laptop (no hardware restrictions, other than it has to be the short (mini?) M.2 type), any suggestions
18:29 < ssm_> I tried looking on misc@ but haven't found anything, maybe I'll make a thread
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18:41 < byteskeptical> ssm_: iwx0 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX210" rev 0x1a, msix
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18:42 < byteskeptical> ssm_: the older ax201 works as well using the iwx driver
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18:56 < ssm_> byteskeptical: created a thread here https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171035571325577&w=2
18:56 < ssm_> don't know why my FROM line has "via misc"
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19:04 < Bradipo> ssm_: Yeah, that's odd...  You didn't set it that way in your MUA?
19:04 < ssm_> MUA?
19:05 < Bradipo> Mail User Agent.
19:05 < Bradipo> e.g. mutt, pine, nmh, Thunderbird, claws, sylpheed, pegasus, etc...
19:05 < ssm_> nope checking the source, it's just From: `Stefan Moran <ssm@howdoesmycode.work>`
19:05 < Bradipo> Oh, must not leave out Bat!
19:06 < ssm_> whoops put my ` in the wrong spot
19:06 < ssm_> a grave mistake
19:06 < Bradipo> That's not what I see on marc.info
19:06 < ssm_> yeah, it's different on marc (and my mail client)
19:07 < Bradipo> Oh, are you saying that in the source of the message, you have `` around the entire contents of the From header value?
19:07 < ssm_> oh someone's talking about it here https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171035369223400&w=2
19:07 < ssm_> Bradipo: nah, I was putting graves around it just to delimit it from the rest of the text
19:08 < Bradipo> Ahh, I see.
19:08 < Bradipo> Yes, I noticed some mailing lists no doing the "S via X".   Quite annoying.
19:09 < Bradipo> s/no /now /
19:17 < Bradipo> DMARC, SPF, and DKIM seem to cause more problems than they solve.
19:18 < sibiria> what problems are they causing?
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19:19 < ssm_> problem is servers have to comply if they want to send to corpomail
19:19 < ssm_> corpomail being yahoo, google, proton, tec
19:19 < ssm_> s/tec/etc
19:19 < sibiria> though it's not complicated to correctly set up DKIM, SPF and DMARC
19:19 < ssm_> yeah it's pretty easy
19:20 < sibiria> and they effectively solve the problem of forgery
19:20 < sibiria> i think the demand, "you have to prove you're not forging these envelopes", is perfectly acceptable
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19:21 < byteskeptical> sibiria: hmmm unless they are sent from the corpomail services which we all suffer
19:21 < Bradipo> Oh, I didn't say that the problems aren't real, I said that the solutions are more problematic than the actual problem they are puported to solve.
19:24 < sibiria> they solve the actual problems. they are not just purported to do so
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19:24 < sibiria> i think three DNS records and one software interaction is a pretty straight-forward solution. mail servers are tech realm stuff after all
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19:38 < Bradipo> It's not just one software interaction, unfortunately...
19:39 < Bradipo> Look at the girations that mailing list managers have to go through to make things "work".
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19:42 < vortexx> 7.5 ports have landed on CVS
19:42 < sibiria> signing an outbound mail with dkim is just one software interaction
19:42 < sibiria> the outbound mail has just one origin; one signature
19:46 < byteskeptical> one love
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20:09 < mischief> i seem to have made a horrible error while setting up miniupnpd
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20:09 < mischief> fugu# pfctl -a "miniupnpd" -s rules | wc -l
20:09 < mischief>     8636
20:10 < Bradipo> That's a lot of rules.
20:10 < oldlaptop> I wonder if it's enough rules.
20:10 < oldlaptop> It's probably enough rules.
20:11 < mischief> i'm not sure why either old rules aren't expiring or more rules are being made
20:14 < mischief> i just cleared them and there's already 30 rules. only one thing is even using upnp :-(
20:16 < mischief> some kind of horrible error
20:16 < mischief> Mar 13 13:09:14 fugu miniupnpd[86957]: ioctl(dev, DIOCGETRULES, ...): Device busy
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21:08 < prahou> Guys, a few years ago I read somewhere the story of OpenBSD devs 'smuggling' code from the US to Canada, because of american laws regarding cryptography exports. Does anybody know what I'm talking about? I can't find any mention of it anywhere.
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21:11 < thrig> PGP got printed into a book and then scanned elsewere to avoid munitions regulations
21:12 < Bradipo> Was it to avoid them, or to get out of jail?
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21:34 < oldlaptop> prahou: There used to be legal ramifications to the export of cryptographic software from the US; in practice that's been over for a long time, though most of the law involved is still nominally in place. (The combination of certain legal cases holding that there are First Amendment issues with restricting the distribution of software, and newer regulatory/executive policy, is such that open-source projects generally don't worry about it much anymore.)
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21:42 < ssm_> this "X from Y" email thing means I don't actually get directly notified when someone replies to me in an list email. which is problematic, to say the least
21:42 < ssm_> s/an/a
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21:44 < prahou> oldlaptop: so my idea of openbsd devs backpacking code across the border is not too far fetched?
21:45 < oldlaptop> It's at worst only mostly ludicrous.
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21:45 < prahou> hah, thank you
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21:56 < ssm_> does that mean if I move :src to my vps in luxembourg I'm breakin tha law?
21:56 < ssm_> (doesn't have enough room on it anyways)
21:57 < ssm_> Actually I have :src on my laptop and have travelled to europe with it, so I guess I'm a hardened experienced criminal
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22:06 < Bradipo> ssm_: More than just breaking the law, you're committing an act of war.
22:07 < Bradipo> e.g. crypto is a "munition".
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22:08 < ssm_> I hate this place (not talking about chat)
22:08 < Bradipo> Because everyone knows that only spies and criminals use cryptography!
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22:17 < ssm_> Bradipo: https://0x0.st/HF-v.txt
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22:21 < quinq> I hope this isn't cryptography, otherwise you just exported it to Europe
22:21 < Bradipo> Well, who would know...
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22:22 < Bradipo> There is a secret message that has been hidden with stegonography.
22:22 < Bradipo> You can tell because of this: " xenix"
22:23 < Bradipo> Notice the space following the " but before the word xenix.  Classic indication that steganography was used to hide a message in the text.
22:24 < Bradipo> That and the mutations of Linus Torvalds in the text.  Technically steganography isn't cryptography, but there could be a short encrypted message embedded in there that is cryptographically secure.
22:24 < quinq> So this message really is about space
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22:24 < quinq> Is it targetting NASA?
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22:25 < Bradipo> Only the person who knows the key can tell.
22:26 < ssm_> quinq: would someone cloning openbsd from a us-based anoncvs server get the anoncvs owner in trouble?
22:26 < ssm_> hmm, I'm curious, maybe I'll try fetching from usa4 on my luxembourg vps and see what happens
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22:28 < obcecado> are the cryptography export restrictions still in place? was it not related to rsa back in the day?
22:29 < Bradipo> It's entirely possible that they don't enforce the restrictions anymore because, well, they know how to decrypt the cipher text anyway.
22:30 < quinq> :)
22:30 < sibiria> there's something to take not of in how NSA, whose sole business is full insight into everyone's communications, is recommending the entire world to use e.g. AES
22:30 < sibiria> take note of*
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22:32 < ssm_> well, exporting the crypto from anoncvs in usa to my luxembourg vps worked without issue
22:32 < Bradipo> Of course it would succeed.
22:32 < sibiria> the black helicopters need at least an hour
22:33 < Bradipo> There's no "Great Firewall of China" in operation.
22:33 < Bradipo> They just log it and send in the suits later.
22:34 < ssm_> laws are meant to be broken, but some laws deserve to be broken
22:35 < Bradipo> Or, maybe the crypto included in OpenBSD isn't as strong as you think.
22:35 < ssm_> <_>
22:36 < ssm_> guess I have to give away my bootleg redbubble openbsd mug that says "strong crypto" on it now
22:37 < obcecado> that kind of bs results in tetra like incidents
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22:38 < Bradipo> Back in the day when you could buy OpenBSD CDs, the US DHS would sometimes break into the CDs and inspect them.
22:38 < obcecado> the roll your own secure crypto to be used in 3 letter govt agencies with different implementations for 'friendldy countries' or not so 'friendly countries'
22:39 < Bradipo> Probably because they came from Canada, or some other "not so friendly country".
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22:39 < ssm_> Also all the openbsd crypto is available on cvsweb, does openbsd.org have geoblocking? if not, openbsd might have triggered article 7 annihilation of humanity
22:39 < mischief> i restarted miniupnpd but.. fugu# pfctl -a "miniupnpd" -s rules | wc -l
22:39 < mischief>      747
22:39 < mischief> something seems fucky here
22:40 < Bradipo> UPnP?
22:47 < mischief> well yes, but it's probably a bug in miniupnpd's pf ticket handling
22:47 < Bradipo> That's not what I was implying...
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22:50 < mischief> Bradipo: what did you mean then
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22:58 < Bradipo> That perhaps UPnP is the problem.
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23:03 < mischief> Bradipo: well, i want to use it. :-)
23:03 < mischief> it seems that this was likely fixed but the 7.4 port/package never got updated
23:04 < Bradipo> Permitting something to dynamically poke holes in a firewall... raises the question of the need of a firewall.
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23:08 < mischief> Bradipo: it's nat, so you need something to tell it where the traffic needs to go
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23:12 < mischief> miniupnpd 2.3.5 fixed it, so i guess the answer is wait for 7.5
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