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11:23 < meena> so, is there a good reason why /var/run isn't ephemeral on OpenBSD?
11:28 < sibiria> good reason? probably not
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11:47 < pardis> what do you mean by "ephemeral"? it gets cleared out on boot
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11:48 < sibiria> the difference of it being on-disk instead of mfs/tmpfs
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12:26 < pardis> I'm aware that's one possible meaning
12:26 < pardis> I was asking what the person who asked the question meant
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12:46 < Voyager_MP> I got some issus with ssl, can I reset /etc/ssl ?
12:47 < Voyager_MP> I rsynced ssl from an other server, now pkg_add is broken 
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12:52 < sibiria> you can overwrite the cert bundle and configs in there, yes
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13:06 < oldlaptop> Voyager_MP: (a) don't "rsync ssl from an other server", probably; (b) "upgrading" the system to the same release, as described by faq4 for adding a set after installation, *should* either fix what you broke or present you with the opportunity (after reboot) to have sysmerge fix what you broke (don't recall offhand which)
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17:42 < pirateoverboard> I’m trying to route a vlan through wireguard client. The wireguard server has a dynamic IP. If I used ddns, is ifstated the best tool to see if the dns name has changed its IP address, and then reconfigure the wireguard interface route? Or is there an easier way I’m not seeing? Can’t use static IP
17:43 < Bradipo> Are you asking about what to do on the server or on the client?
17:44 < pirateoverboard> The client
17:45 < Bradipo> I suppose wireguard itself doesn't use DNS names for peers?  And has no facility to react to network changes (e.g. renegiation due to IP change)?
17:45 < Bradipo> I ask because I'm not currently using wireguard so I don't know.
17:45 < Bradipo> Otherwise, seems like ifstated could work.
17:45 < phy1729> I suppose you can't make the initiation go the other way if the other endpoint has a more static IP or add a third node with a static IP
17:46 < Bradipo> The server in this case appears to be dynamic and it updates a DNS record when it changes.
17:46 < phy1729> Right but either side can initiate the connection
17:46 < Bradipo> Oh I see what you mean.  Have the server locate the client.
17:47 < pirateoverboard> I know you can use dns names in the wireguard config but if I want to I want to route just one vlan through it on the interface I need to use its IP
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17:49 < Bradipo> When you say VLAN do you mean just a subnet?
17:49 < Bradipo> Or are you really doing L2 over wireguard?
17:50 < Bradipo> So you have a subnet that you want routed over wireguard and when the network changes you want the static route to be updated?
17:50 < pirateoverboard> I have it setup as a router on a stick. 3 separate vlans
17:50 < pirateoverboard> Yes
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17:54 < pirateoverboard> Bradipo: yes just a single subnet that needs to through wireguard
17:56 < pirateoverboard> And the route gets updated when changed
17:56 < Bradipo> Right.
17:56 < Bradipo> Is all wireguard config done in hostname.if?
17:56 < pirateoverboard> Yes. I was gonna use an rdonain with it
17:57 < Bradipo> Ok, so there isn't already a built-in mechanism for detecting network change.
17:58 < pirateoverboard> Gotcha. I’ll use ifstated. Thanks!
18:00 < Bradipo> There is another approach if you're interested...
18:00 < Bradipo> More homegrown. :-)
18:01 < pirateoverboard> Very interested 
18:01 < Bradipo> You could just configure ServerAliveInterval and ServerAliveCountMax.  Then have a "service" that maintains an open SSH connection (via SSH keys).  When the SSH connection drops, run your script to verify the status of the network and reestablish the SSH connection (loop until successful).
18:02 < Bradipo> Well, verify the status, make changes if necessary, then reestablish the SSH connection.
18:02 < Bradipo> ifstated might be more approriate.  Just depends on how you like to run things.
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18:03 < Bradipo> In effect, the SSH connection becomes your "state daemon".
18:04 < pirateoverboard> That’s clever
18:04 < phy1729> Or use wgpka and check if the last seen time goes too high
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18:06 < Bradipo> Interesting, I didn't know about wgpka; seems like it could server a similar purpose.
18:06 < Bradipo> I assume it is also cryptographically protected like ServerAlive packets going through the SSH tunnel.
18:07 < Bradipo> pirateoverboard: Keep in mind that the default behavior for wg is "connectionless".
18:07 < Bradipo> Meaning that packets only get sent when necessary.
18:08 < Bradipo> So using either mechanism, SSH+ServerAlive or wgpka, make that a more persistent thing.
18:09 < pirateoverboard> Makes sense. Thanks!
18:10 < phy1729> wgpka is really handy for when you want to ssh back to a "client" and forgetfully close out your IRC session so it's no longer generating traffic.
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18:14 < pirateoverboard> That is handy. Thanks!
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20:15 < Al-Khwarizmi> Hello, is there a way to setup my doas file to allow a user to use doas for everything except modifying some file?
20:15 < Al-Khwarizmi> I want /etc/hosts to be only modifiable by root
20:16 < Al-Khwarizmi> I guess anything except chattr would work too
20:16 < phy1729> Better not let them run any shells or editors or ...    that's mostly an exercise in whack-a-mole
20:17 < Al-Khwarizmi> No, the user is me. I just don't want to change the host file
20:17 < Al-Khwarizmi> hosts*
20:18 < phy1729> So don't do that?
20:18 < Al-Khwarizmi> Want to block social media and youtube and change the root password.
20:18 < Bradipo> I thought /etc/hosts was already locked down to root-only modifications...
20:19 < phy1729> You can chflags schg and then need to reboot to change the file
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20:19 < Al-Khwarizmi> Bradipo: doas.
20:19 < Bradipo> Well, doas gives you root.
20:19 < Bradipo> So by definition it is only alterable by root.
20:20 < Al-Khwarizmi> ...yes. Can I configure it in doas.conf to not give permission to change /etc/hosts
20:20 < Bradipo> I doubt it.
20:20 < phy1729> No
20:20 < Bradipo> Just don't use doas.  Use su(1).
20:20 < Bradipo> And only use su when you need it.
20:21 < Bradipo> Unless you want to write a mini-shell and have that shell be the only thing that your user can run through doas.
20:21 < phy1729> doas is fine, trying to say anything but X is ok is a game of whack-a-mole for exceptions
20:22 < Bradipo> I'm looking at fstat, trying to figure out if it will show me files that have exclusive locks on their fd.
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20:23 < Bradipo> I don't see anything obvious that suggests that a process has exclusive lock on a file.
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20:24 < Al-Khwarizmi> what about chattr?
20:24 < Al-Khwarizmi> set it to immutable and only root can chattr
20:24 < Bradipo> I think someone already mentioned chflags above...
20:25 < Bradipo> chflags schg /etc/hosts
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20:26 < Al-Khwarizmi> ok, how do I enable a user to doas anything except for that single command?
20:27 < thrig> flock is like totally optional and can be ignored
20:27 < Bradipo> Understood that flock is optional.
20:27 < Bradipo> But in a closed system works fine.
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20:28 < Bradipo> But it seems that fstat cannot show whether or not a process' fds have exclusive lock or not.
20:29 < op2> Al-Khwarizmi: not possible, you can only allow all commands or specify a few, not make a blocklist.  it wouldn't also make sense, since there would be way to circumnavigate it
20:29 < op2> *ways
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20:29 < Al-Khwarizmi> I guess, yeah. Damn. Parental controls are hard.
20:30 < Bradipo> What root-level commands does a child need?
20:30 < Bradipo> At most, I would put them in the _shutdown group.
20:30 < Al-Khwarizmi> all of them, not exactly a child
20:30 < Bradipo> If they are old enough to have root, they're old enough to make mistakes using root.
20:30 < Al-Khwarizmi> lol
20:31 < Bradipo> Just make sure you have good backups.
20:31 < phy1729> Al-Khwarizmi: fwiw I do this at the gateway and mitm all udp/tcp port 53 traffic
20:31 < phy1729> unbound zones are pretty great
20:33 < Al-Khwarizmi> hmmm, alright thanks. Back to the drawing board
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