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00:33 < seninha> Hi, after last package update telegram-desktop (net/tdesktop port) ceased working issuing the "Cannot add multiple registrations for QtQuick" message. I do not know how to debug qt applications, and duckduckgoing that message yields nothing useful. Is anyone here with that package installed having the same issue?
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00:34 < seninha> I also deleted anything qt/telegram related on ~/.{config,cache,local/share}.
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00:35 < seninha> That is also the only text output to stderr. I have bad experiences in the past with qt applications breaking without any message on terminal.
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01:09 < seninha> nvm; lib issue
01:10 < thrig> damn libs
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01:10 < seninha> just pkg_delete'd tdesktop and pkg_add'd it again
01:10 < thrig> O_o
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01:11 < seninha> weird, I thought it should be updated when qt6 stuff were updated
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01:58 < seninha> HAH! https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171188496710749
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03:06 < vortexx> looks like 7.5 release has moved from the 4th to the 5th of April, so Friday.
03:06 < vortexx> (according to root.mail)
03:07  * seninha checks calendar
03:08 < seninha> >Mon Apr  1 00:08:00 -03 2024
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04:03 < [0x1eef]> vortexx: Nice. Good to know.
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06:42 < LordRishav> Tried installing OpenBSD, ended up bricking my disk's partition table
06:44 < LordRishav> It is an old computer, using legacy BIOS and MBR partition table. I wanted to multi-boot OpenBSD with my already existing Windows 7 and Mint partitions to try it out.
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06:45 < LordRishav> I don't remember what I did, but probably I chose use whole disk for OpenBSD and it wrote my partition table without asking.
06:46 < LordRishav> I couldn't figure out what to do, so I just rebooted my machine and it has not been able to find an OS on the disk till yet.
06:47 < LordRishav> But I am able to browse files on the disk with testdisk I installed on another Debian live USB I had lying around just fine.
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06:52 < LordRishav> Is this the right place to ask for help regarding my issue?
06:53 < vortexx> yes it is
06:54 < vortexx> Whole Disk is exactly as it says, it wipes the MBR (but the partitions are still there unless you went on to the disklabel stage, creating partitions in the OpenBSD slice)
06:54 < vortexx> multiboot isn't for the faint of heart
06:55 < vortexx> I'd recommend trying to rescue your partitions, then using gparted add a specific (A6 type) partition for OpenBSD and point the installer at that when it asks what to do with the disk
06:55 < vortexx> were you planning on using grub for the bootloader menu?
06:56 < vortexx> (get to gparted by booting the mint partition or a usb rescue image)
06:57 < LordRishav> I was planning on figuring out how to do the bootloader later, after I have set up OpenBSD to a working state. I would have been fine if OpenBSD became the only bootable OS too, as long as other partitions are left intact.
06:58 < vortexx> you can always create an OpenBSD partition using the OpenBSD installer but it's not the friendliest tool
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07:00 < LordRishav> vortexx: I can't boot any partition on the disk. testdisk on a Debian live image I had is able to see through the original partitions, but so far I've been unable to recover any of them.
07:01 < vortexx> you'll need to recreate them
07:01 < vortexx> if you want to keep them
07:01 < vortexx> just recreate but don't format, and they'll appear again
07:01 < vortexx> the bootloader is gone too, whether it was the win7 one or the linux one
07:01 < vortexx> you need to restore all this
07:02 < vortexx> do you have a precise idea of the disk layout? precise partition sizes, and offsets?
07:02 < LordRishav> How does one recreate a partition without formatting
07:02 < vortexx> there's plenty of tools that will do this from a linux rescue disk
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07:03 < vortexx> just use gparted, or fdisk
07:03 < vortexx> formatting is a separate step
07:04 < vortexx> you might want to watch a youtube video before trying yourself, or do it in a VM
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07:07 < LordRishav> testdisk is able to see the original disk layout along with all information, but is unable to recover them. And gparted initially refused to even recognise what kind of a partition table the disk had, displaying the disk as a single partition with 'Unknown' filesystem type. After I fiddled with testdisk a bit, it shows me only four partitions (I had eight) and the rest is unallocated space. Trying
07:08 < LordRishav> to make a new partition on that unallocated space says it can't form more than 4 primary partitions, which sounds ridiculous considering I had 8 before.
07:09 < caze> Do you know what an extended partition is/
07:10 < LordRishav> Yes, they must've been extended partitions indeed but gparted refuses to make me form any kind of partition on that unallocated space
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11:32 < nerap> Hi I just installed OpenBSD on my Laptop with a GPT partitioned drive with encryption. When booting, It says "cannot open hd0a:/etc/random.seed: Input/output error
11:33 < nerap> booting hd0a:/7.4/amd/64.bsd.rd: open hd0a:/7.4/amd64/bsd.rd: Input/output error
11:33 < nerap> :/
11:33 < nerap> and  my cpu fan is raping my ears at the same time
11:35 < nerap> I followed the guide here up to minute 4: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1w3FEb_DhyU
11:35 < vortexx> input/output error usually means the drive is dying
11:36 < nerap> ...
11:36 < nerap> It was bought used by someone else.
11:36 < vortexx> try booting off your installation media and run fsck from there (after recreating the drive devices in /dev with sh ./MAKEDEV sd0 sd1 sd2
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11:38 < vortexx> you'll need to decrypt the drive of course, so bioctl -c C -l /dev/sd0a softraid0
11:38 < vortexx> you might also want to boot some rescue media that has smartcl on it and check the drive status
11:38 < vortexx> s/smartcl/smartctl
11:39 < vortexx> the average linux install/rescue media has this, usually
11:39 < nerap> Is MAKEDEV an executable somewhere on the bootable usb drive?
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11:40 < oldlaptop> as with many things, https://man.openbsd.org/MAKEDEV
11:41 < nerap> <3
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11:49 < nerap> I've downloaded the SHA256 and SHA256.sig files and trieg gpg --verify SHA256.sig, but I get an error message that no OpenPGP data was found.
11:49 < nerap> where can I get the public key from?
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11:49 < nerap> or rather, what's the hash?
11:50 < sibiria> they are not for GPG. they are for signify
11:53 < sibiria> the public keys are in /etc/signify
11:53 < nerap> I'm on Linux
11:53 < sibiria> you can get them on the release page of each release as well
11:53 < sibiria> on openbsd.org
11:54 < sibiria> e.g. openbsd.org/74.html
11:55  * h3at on orion
11:56 < martian67> nerap: most linuxes have signify packages
12:01 < nerap> `signify -Cp openbsd-74-base.pub -x SHA256.sig install74.img ` gives me: `Signify: Unknown paramter '-Cp'. :O
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12:04  * nerap is downloading the signify package from OpenBSD mirrors to compile and install on linux.
12:04 < martian67> nerap: -C -p
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12:07 < aaronm04> Maybe the option parsing library on Linux doesn't like -Cp?
12:07 < nerap> I tried splitting the flags and it still complains
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12:08 < martian67> what distro nerap
12:08 < nerap> Linux Mint
12:09 < nerap> Linux Mint 21.1 x86_64
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12:10 < sibiria> someone with install74.img locally can just give their sha256 sum to reassure him
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12:12 < nerap> My installation medium during installation also mentioned that there are no checksums or hashes for the filesets. BTW. my machine is completely compromised. That's why I'm switching to openbsd, because my development is being hampered.
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12:12 < sibiria> that's normal. the signatures aren't included in the install image
12:12 < sibiria> you don't need them to proceed with the installation
12:12 < IcePic> nerap: if you download an ISO, you are supposed to check it before running it
12:12 < nerap> that's what I'm trying to do now.
12:13 < IcePic> afterwards it is quite meaningless to have the ISO tell you that its own contents is validated using a checksum file on the same ISO
12:13 < nerap> kinda true
12:13 < sibiria> b8d1f05bbec440e58f2874fb0e9fe8bcdd4a2d3aadc7250678aeaf23a5225dc1 install74.img
12:13 < sibiria> (amd64)
12:14 < nerap> alright, it's the same. thx
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12:26 < finkfox> is anyone running X11 apps with dedicated users, i.e. using XÃÃ SECURITY EXTENSION feature? 
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12:36 < nerap> Is there a GUIDE on how to make a UEFI install of OpenBSD? Because doing an install always ends up with me being thrown into the BIOS with No bootable devices found. I already checked the BIOS settings and it seems that only UEFI bootable media are supported for the internal disk.
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12:49 < vortexx> nerap: is there a preexistent ESP partition at the beginning of the drive?
12:49 < vortexx> is OpenBSD the only OS on this drive?
12:50 < vortexx> https://bsdlaptops.wordpress.com/2016/03/05/welcome-and-vaio-pro-11-part-1/ <-- I wrote this some 8 years ago, but the FAQ covers UEFI install pretty well
12:50 < nerap> It's the only one. I don't mess around with dual booting or anything.
12:52 < vortexx> when you got to the partitioning stage, did you choose the W for Whole or G for GPT layout?
12:52 < nerap> I chose G
12:52 < vortexx> ok good
12:53 < nerap> I managed to boot it once, but there it had issues finding /etc/seed and stuff. Maybe the drive is actually messed up.
12:53 < nerap> > . <
12:55 < vortexx> did you throw smartctl at the drive?
12:56 < vortexx> it's normal for it not to find that at boot as the / partition isn't mounted
12:56 < vortexx> but input/ouput errors is a sign of much worse problems
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12:59 < nerap> I'm trying the iso right now. Maybe It'll do some magic.
12:59 < nerap> actually the .iso file not recognized from the usb.
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13:00 < vortexx> use the .img if you're copying to a usb drive, .iso is for cdrom only
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13:01 < vortexx> are you trying 7.4 or a snapshot?
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13:04 < nerap> I'm trying 7.4. I just want a functional operating system with a posix compliant shell. xD
13:04 < nerap> and Emacs of course
13:04 < vortexx> try doing a regular non encrypted install first, then if that boots normally, give encrypted install a go
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13:07 < nerap> `/usr/sbin/MAKEDEV /dev/sdb` worked on mint. 
13:11 < vortexx> it's /dev/MAKEDEV on OpenBSD
13:11 < vortexx> and sdb would be sd1
13:11 < nerap> Yeah, I just read that. I should read every word carefully.
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13:21 < nerap> vortexx, I have sd0 rd0 and sd1(probably the USB stick). The MAKEDEV step. What exactly does that do? Because it seems to be applied to each drive except for the drive OpenBSD will be installed on.
13:23 < sibiria> it just creates the device so that the installer can access it, if necessary. it's not always the case
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13:25 < oldlaptop> Unlike most linuxes nowadays, OpenBSD doesn't have some fake ephemeral filesystem with all the device nodes on it, they're just (not regular) files on the / filesystem. In the installed system that normally means /dev contains all the device nodes you could possibly want (or at least all the device nodes you're remotely likely to want), but the installer's filesystem doesn't have enough inodes available for that, so it comes with almost no device nodes
13:26 < oldlaptop> the major practical consequence is that sometimes (if you're doing things with disk management outside the installer script, which normally will make nodes as it needs them) you need to create disk device nodes yourself
13:27 < nerap> I remember inodes as the thing that is the cause of email servers running out of space, before actually all the bytes of the hard drive are used up.
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13:28 < oldlaptop> tl;dr most unix filesystems are created with a maximum number of distinct files they can hold, the installer cannot hold enough distinct files to have all the device nodes
13:29 < sibiria> it could, if theo wanted it to
13:29 < oldlaptop> Perhaps SibiriaBSD should
13:29 < sibiria> he just doesn't know if he wants to move forward, backward or stay still
13:30 < vortexx> I have had to reformat /usr with double the number of inodes so I could expand ports.tar.gz in it (2Gb partition) but that's an edge cse
13:30 < vortexx> s/cse/case
13:30 < nerap> What device does rd1 usually correspond to?
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13:30 < vortexx> ramdisk, from bsd.rd
13:31 < oldlaptop> In most cases devices are named after their drivers, which have manual pages: https://man.openbsd.org/rd
13:31 < oldlaptop> (in this case rd(4) doesn't mention, directly, that its only real application is as the installer's root filesystem)
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13:32 < oldlaptop> or major real application
13:32 < sibiria> nerap: once you reach the right point in the installer, it will give you an option to enumerate the storage devices so you can find out what you're booting from and what your primary storage is
13:32 < oldlaptop> (Perhaps there's someone out there with a firewall-in-a-kernel system)
13:32 < nerap> I invoked fdisk -e sd0, but when specifying the offset of 1024bytes, I get "partition 3 can't start inside partition 0". Is my disk fuc..ahem broken?
13:33 < nerap> I see sd0, which is probably the nvme drive, rd0 the ram, sd1 the usb stick.
13:33 < sibiria> you don't need to do these things. the installer will handle everything for you, with the exception of readying additional device nodes in case they're not already in place
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13:44 < nerap> :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it's booting
13:44 < nerap> nvm, it's only the stick. RIP
13:45 < sibiria> suggestion: remove the bootable USB stick
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13:45  * nerap wanted to see whether it prioritized the interal drive. And already did that.
13:47 < nerap> "No bootable device found." ヽ(｀Д´)ﾉ
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13:49 < vortexx> try installing to a usb stick to see if that works?
13:49 < sibiria> nerap: you probably goofed up when running fdisk manually
13:49 < sibiria> again, you don't need to do this. installer handles everything for you
13:50 < nerap> I've used the installed. Now I'm trying no encryption.
13:51 < nerap> Encryption makes no differnce. I'll try the usb, which in theory should work, because the internal disk was treated special.
13:52 < nerap> It's a dell Precision5530
13:52 < sibiria> just identify your internal storage, and go with the "(w)hole disk" option. dells are notoriously shitty laptops, but it should work all the same
13:56 < vortexx> he's on UEFI, G not W is needed
13:56 < nerap> W didn't work either. I tried that like 12 times a few weeks ago, just to make sure.
13:57 < sibiria> you can do MBR on UEFI as well
13:57 < nerap> ༼ಠ益ಠ༽
13:57 < sibiria> but, you may be running into a CSM problem in the UEFI
13:57 < sibiria> try disabling the CSM and Secure Boot
13:58 < nerap> What's the purpose of UEFI anyway? Only to have fancy graphics in the BIOS? Sounds like a pretty bad trade.
13:58 < oldlaptop> (thinkpads had clicky-mouse BIOS menus 30 years ago)
13:58 < sibiria> it tries to solve a lot of the clumsy design choices of BIOS
13:59 < sibiria> archaic stuff that made sense in the 80s
13:59 < oldlaptop> (ironically thinkpads haven't had clicky-mouse BIOS menus for 20 years now, unless they changed back in the past ten years)
14:00 < sibiria> my T495 still has "classic" text-based UEFI/BIOS
14:00 < dqk> it used to be mouse-driven but if you really wanted to do something you needed to use a tool from your os
14:00 < sibiria> nerap: i'm curious... when you set uo the disklabels ("partitions"), do you clear the layout entirely and make your own labels?
14:00 < sibiria> set up*
14:01 < dqk> yes, there was even one working on linux-based distros
14:01 < dqk> don't think there was one for openbsd though
14:01 < sibiria> nerap: if you're on UEFI you will need to leave the "i" label in place, because openbsd uses it to install its EFI bootloader
14:01 < nerap> I didn't clear the labels. I just typed in the characters from the guide https://bsdlaptops.wordpress.com/2016/03/05/welcome-and-vaio-pro-11-part-1/ .
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14:02 < nerap> But I tried MBR, MBR+crypt, GPT, GPT+Crypt
14:02 < sibiria> just skimming that article shows a few cases of "what?". you should forget it and search for modern material
14:02 < nerap> I'm pretty sure secure boot was off. I again set that option in the boot menu.
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14:05 < sibiria> imo forget that article entirely. don't follow it. if anything you can do the part where you MAKEDEV sd1, and sd1 only
14:06 < sibiria> after that just follow the installer. ignore that article
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14:09 < vortexx> sibiria: I never updated it
14:10 < vortexx> but it does show how to multiboot
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14:12 < vortexx> funnily enough when I tried to boot 7.4 from grub, it didn't like the (hd0) syntax, I just had to do : chainloader /EFI/OpenBSD/BOOTX64.EFI
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14:13 < sibiria> multibooting is indeed tricky, especially with grub
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14:13 < sibiria> rEFInd is pretty useful when you have multiple EFI system labels you want to use
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14:14 < vortexx> indeed
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15:21 < nerap> I actually managed to boot somehow after tinkering with my bios for some while.
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15:22 < nerap> I'm happy
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15:24 < nerap> I tried `poweroff now` and I get a message `Enter pathname of shell or RETUN for sh:` What's that?
15:24 < nerap> How can I shutdown the machine, without being prompted with that?
15:25 < phy1729> shutdown -hp now
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15:59 < ssm_> I shutdown with halt -p
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16:56 < cat5> !
16:57 < thrig> five out of six ends can turn pointy if you yank a cat
17:01 < cat5> why did the cat use a pipe ? because he wanted to grep a mouse, but all it found was bits and bytes
17:01 < cat5> that's the best chatgpt could come up with
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17:10 < thrig> cat piped to grep is generally a useless use of cat
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23:49 < oldlaptop> in case anyone missed it: exciting news, modern compression tooling coming to base https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=171200100510963&w=2
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