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16:02 < zorz> .4
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16:30 < ssm_> zorz: does this awaken the sleeper-agent that compromises the entire openbsd codebase?
16:31 < dkeav> pledge will save us
16:33 < ssm_> zorz has implemented a malicious test script that hooks into pledge disabling it at compile time
16:33 < zorz> ?
16:34 < zorz> ssm_: https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song68.ogg
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16:48 < Miniontoby> Lucas6023: Yeah, that seems to work, but would it also be possible to give (or request) an static address?
16:50 < Lucas6023> yes, replacing "request address any" (or whatever it was) with an specific address in the same prefix
16:50 < Miniontoby> The whole "request address any" ?
16:51 < Miniontoby> or just the "any"
16:53 < Miniontoby> Btw also, I know with the road warrior setup, that works like a vpn, all the internet requests are routed through the vpn. Would this also be possible with this kind of site-to-site setup? Right now I am only able to assign it to the iface lo...
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16:55 < Miniontoby> Lucas6023: ^^ (*two questions above*)
16:57 < Lucas6023> only the any
16:57 < Lucas6023> as for site-to-site, it depends on the workflow config
16:58 < Lucas6023> and wether you want the address assigned to an interface or not
16:59 < Lucas6023> one option is creating a vether(4) interface and assigning the address to that interface, via "iface vether0" in the config
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17:07 < Miniontoby> I kind of just want to route all internet traffic over the OpenIKED server
17:08 < Miniontoby> about only the "any", I tried that, but it still gave the initiator a random ipv6 (and still a different one every single time I restart iked on the initiator)
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17:10 < Lucas6023> did you use a prefix? the manpage says that if you're using only an address it should configure that one
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17:22 < Miniontoby> ohh right, yeah the ending is rn in /64 on the serverside
17:22 < Miniontoby> But if I remove the /64 and then just add 2, then do I still need the "request address ...::2"?
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17:23 < Lucas6023> I think so
17:23 < Lucas6023> otherwise you won't be requesting the address
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17:28 < Miniontoby> Oke, I have set it to be config address ...::2
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17:30 < Miniontoby> without the "request address any" or whatever, it doesn't get the IP assigned, so I added it back
17:30 < Miniontoby> And ifconfig shows the IP, but I cannot ping the ip
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17:30 < Miniontoby> or does the ip needs to be with two more 'levels'
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17:31 < Miniontoby> instead of dead:bread:1234:5678::2 ?
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17:33 < sibiria> 0x0r
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17:41 < Miniontoby> Also once the connection is made, the original ip's don't seem to be pingable from the iked server to client or from client to iked server
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17:42 < Miniontoby> And the assigned ip is not reachable
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17:52 < Miniontoby> https://termbin.com/5v2t
17:53 < Miniontoby> here is my iked config ^^ 
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18:05 < Miniontoby> Can someone help me get it to work and it to be pingable?
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18:09 < markmcb> is there an openbsd package for anything similar to authelia?
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18:40 < echelon> hi, how do i set a system-wide proxy so that i can run fw_update from an airgapped setup?
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18:42 < thrig> fw_update also takes a "file" argument, which argues for sneakernet
18:43 < phy1729> Same as pkg_add iirc
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18:45 < thrig> what or how to setup a "system-wide" proxy might take more figuring out
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18:46 < echelon> i guess it would just be exporting a http_proxy env variable
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18:46 < echelon> next question, how do i add a custom root ca to the trust bundle btw?
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18:47 < thrig> cat(1)
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18:47 < phy1729> fw_update uses ftp and ftp(1) documents recognizing http_proxy
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18:56 < echelon> thrig: how do i autogenerate the metadata associated with the cert that i want to add? or is it not necessary?
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18:58 < thrig> the what?
18:59 < echelon> in /etc/ssl/cert.pem, all the certs have like metadata/header info above them
18:59 < echelon> ie, Certificate:\ Data:\ Version: 3 (0x2)\ Serial Number:\ ..etc
19:00 < echelon> oh, and the fingerprints
19:00 < thrig> noise for humans, openssl x509 -text or something like that
19:00 < echelon> yeah, i tried that, but it doesn't appear to be the same formatting
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19:01 < echelon> just wondering how openbsd generated theirs
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19:04 < echelon> awesome, fw_update worked
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19:07 < echelon> what other things did i potentially miss by not having internet during install?
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19:17 < uwharrie> syspatch
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19:21 < a1fa> o/
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19:21 < echelon> uwharrie: thanks
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19:26 < echelon> ok, i just copied over /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsession ~/.xsession and replaced ${exec_prefix}/bin/fvwm with ${exec_prefix}/bin/cwm
19:26 < fro> ok
19:26 < echelon> after i tried logging in, i didn't get anything on the screen, and i couldn't even ssh in, i guess it caused some fork bomb?
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19:27 < martian67> openbsd has ulimits by default that prevent forkbombs
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19:28 < Bradipo> Does it?  I didn't think it was immune, but then, I haven't tried it lately.
19:28 < fro> maybe it was a spoonbomb
19:28 < echelon> well while i was trying to enter my password at the ssh prompt, i kept saying: shell request failed on channel 0
19:29 < fro> change the channel then
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19:31 < echelon> can someone try it and see if they get the same behavior? this is on a vanilla install
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19:33 < echelon> trying to launch any kind of process from an existing shell causes this.. ksh: cannot fork - try again
19:36 < echelon> after a while it kicks me back to the login window
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19:38 < echelon> is it perhaps going into an infinite loop because "$startup" calls $HOME/.xsession?
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19:42 < thrig> outlook hazy
19:42 < Bradipo> You should not copy Xsession to ~/.xsession
19:42 < Bradipo> ~/.xsession should be just the minimum of what you need to run.
19:43 < echelon> thanks
19:43 < echelon> ugh, is there browser that doesn't need glib? :/
19:44 < echelon> oh, gnome lib, i was thinking glibc
19:44 < cat5> bowser isnt real
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19:44 < cat5> oh browser, i was thinking bowser
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19:47 < aaronm04> echelon: lynx
19:48 < thrig> or w3m, but both probably need some pledge and unveil action
19:49 < uwharrie> lynx is at least pledged
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19:50 < thrig> my w3m is pledged and unveiled and had a bunch of code ripped out of it so it canna exec anything
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20:46 < jrmu> Is there a way to view openbsd's website (eg man pages) using a mirror such as https://mirrors.mit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/ ? I heard this was possible but can't quite figure out the URL
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20:49 < dennis> there is https://man.openbsd.org/man.cgi.8 that you could host yourself.
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20:50 < dennis> There's probably several mirrors out there. I think at least one popped up on the misc@-list when the official one was down around christmas
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20:50 < uwharrie> or you could perform a cvs/git checkout locally and view it there
20:54 < jrmu> alright thanks. I guess nothing immediately point and click ready, but cvs checkout could work
20:54 < jrmu> Yeah somehow I recall during the Christmas blackout, there was a mirror somewhere
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20:57 < orwell> silly question, but how do I get ipv6 working with umb? any hints?
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21:07 < SNAX_74> Does anyone know how I can get this website into a PDF file - > https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/
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21:07 < ssm_> SNAX_74: chromium and firefox ports will let you print to pdf, unsure about better/minimal browsers
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21:09 < ssm_> just tested badwolf, www/badwolf can print to pdf too
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21:10 < ssm_> netsurf can too it seems
21:10 < fro> why would you want that in a pdf
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21:11 < fro> you shouldn't be using that in the first place
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21:12 < SNAX_74> fro, its good resource of information
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21:14 < fro> well
21:14 < fro> you could contact whoever runs the website
21:15 < fro> or use some web page to pdf thing
21:15 < fro> but i assume you'd have to do that a page at a time
21:15 < fro> sounds annoying
21:16 < ssm_> you could write a script to ftp all the pages and pipe them through a converter
21:16 < fro> heh i just noticed their pkg_add example is pkg_add xv
21:17 < ssm_> topical
21:17 < ssm_> actually, off-topical
21:17 < SNAX_74> fro, lol
21:17 < fro> yep
21:17 < thrig> pkg_add xvemacs
21:17 < orwell> umb seems to support ipv6 since 6.7. But I really don't get how the interface should get an address
21:17 < ssm_> oh I thought you said xz, not xv
21:17 < fro> yeah
21:18 < fro> it was still meant as an xz joke tho
21:18 < fro> kinda
21:18 < fro> anyway i don't care for this site
21:18 < fro> just use the FAQ
21:18 < SNAX_74> I make portal OpenBSD on USB sticks that website helped me fix a filesystem
21:19 < SNAX_74> I used BalenaEtcher to clone an OpenBSD-7.4 that I created on a USB stick and when I cloned the USB system to a regular SSD the USB stick would not boot
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21:22 < SNAX_74> I used the command fdisk -iy sd0 to fix the system from the OpenBSD hand book
21:22 < echelon> i installed st-0.90-scrollback, every time i use my mouse wheel, it just says "nothing to yank" is there supposed to be a keyboard key instead?
21:22 < SNAX_74> It was in this section Disk Operations - > https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/disk_operations/
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21:35 < SNAX_74> fro, What do you see wrong with this website -> https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/
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21:36 < SNAX_74> fro, Only think I can do is try and copy and paste the html website into LibreOffice then convert it into a PDF file
21:37 < fro> i don't see the point of that website
21:37 < fro> i'm not telling you not to use it
21:37 < thrig> there's worse SEO spam out there... or will be
21:38 < fro> i'd be concerned that it won't stay up to date and/or that it will provide some misinformation
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21:38 < fro> then again
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21:39 < fro> other places do that too :)
21:39 < fro> like this channel for instance
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21:39 < Bradipo> That's why we have Nanny Google to make sure we don't spread misinformation.
21:39 < fro> but that kinda goes back to why i don't like this website
21:40 < fro> there's too much of this "i read" or "i heard" nonsense
21:40 < fro> that does not go directly to the source
21:40 < Bradipo> Well, this website doesn't seem like it's much better than the official FAQ.
21:40 < fro> yeah that's the point
21:41 < thrig> it is told by the elder tribes that a fugu once did pass by
21:41 < fro> use the FAQ and man pages
21:41 < fro> if you can't find something there obviously you need to look elsewhere i guess
21:42 < fro> but uh maybe look at the dates and version of openbsd the information is for at least?
21:42 < fro> i dunno
21:43 < fro> it's not like i've never used someone's blog post to do something related to openbsd
21:46 < fro> tl;dr i can't even take my own advice
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21:51 < SNAX_74> I wonder is this was a real quote by Theo DaRaadt - >     “Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix."
21:51 < SNAX_74>     – Theo de Raadt
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21:52 < vortexx> it's a very 90s quote
21:52 < thrig> especially given how much microsoft is all over linux
21:54 < echelon> if i have static ip setup, why are dhcpleased and slaac running?
21:54 < sibiria> because they're enabled by default
21:54 < echelon> do i just use rcctl to disable them?
21:54 < sibiria> rcctl stop blah; rcctl disable blah
21:54 < echelon> thanks
21:55 < SNAX_74> This section helped me understand the PF section - > https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/pf/
21:56 < SNAX_74> Its like Packet Filter for Dummies
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22:09 < pardis> openbsdhandbook.com already provides misinformation and has for years
22:10 < pardis> some of the information is accurate, some isn't
22:10 < pardis> worse, there is no information whatsoever on who wrote or maintains it, so the problems cannot be reported
22:11 < pardis> and most of the information is duplicated from the official FAQ anyway, so might as well read that instead
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22:16 < echelon> would bhyve be recommended in a production environment, along the lines of folks using proxmox to replace their vmware infrastructure?
22:17 < echelon> oops, not bhyve, i meant vmm
22:18 < sibiria> vmm works well, but it's a baby hypervisor
22:18 < echelon> as in age, or functionality?
22:18 < sibiria> both
22:19 < sibiria> single-core guests only. no CPU provisioning capability. no virtual display interface etc.
22:19 < ssm_> I find it funny vmm virtualizes linux better than freebsd or netbsd
22:19 < ssm_> some day vmm will have gpu passthrough and finally openbsd will be the ultimate gaming OS
22:20 < echelon> limiting to guest vm to single core probably makes things simple
22:20 < echelon> -to
22:20 < sibiria> works OK for running "small linux terminal stuff"
22:20 < ssm_> vmm works good with alpine
22:21 < ssm_> usual problem you run into with linux virt is you have to enable the serial console (ttyS0) in grub
22:21 < sibiria> runs devuan great, too
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22:21 < sibiria> (non-systemd debian)
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22:22 < sibiria> may come as a shocker: it also runs openbsd great
22:23 < echelon> hyper-v runs openbsd great as well
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22:29 < fro> <ssm_> I find it funny vmm virtualizes linux better than freebsd or netbsd
22:29 < fro> does it tho
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22:31 < sibiria> better than it virtualizes fbsd/netbsd, or better than bhyve virtualizes linux?
22:31 < sibiria> iirc bhyve is pretty competent
22:32 < sibiria> mature thingy
22:33 < ssm_> freebsd and netbsd don't work at all in vmm last I checked
22:33 < ssm_> by "working better" I meant "working at all"
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22:35 < sibiria> oh
22:35 < fro> that's an odd way of putting it
22:35 < SNAX_74> Who really runs NetBSD anyway ?
22:35 < fro> if they don't work at all
22:35 < fro> the same could be asked about openbsd
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22:37 < SNAX_74> NomadBSD is pretty innovative -> https://nomadbsd.org/
22:37 < fro> that's just freebsd tho
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22:37 < SNAX_74> FreeBSD laced with python scripts
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22:39 < SNAX_74> I used NomadBSD because I wanted a portable USB FreeBSD it worked ok except it had problems upgrading so I dumped it
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22:41 < SNAX_74> a portable USB OpenBSD is next
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22:43 < fro> you mean like fuguita
22:44 < SNAX_74> fro, Yes but much better
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23:46 < thrig> whoops patch wednesday
23:46 < ssm_> saw mail in announce@, got excited for 7.5... just a patch
23:46 < ssm_> that being said, that patch is for 7.5 too for some reason
23:47 < ssm_> `Subject: OpenBSD Errata: April 8, 2024 (xserver)` but it's april 3rd
23:47 < ssm_> did we get spoilers that 7.5 is april 8th?
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23:48 < thrig> gaaaa and another firefox update chugga chugga chugga
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