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01:23 < ssm_> I've been refreshing my mail client for 5 hours now
01:25 < ssm_> c'mon announce@...
01:27 < pony> any day now, any day now
01:27 < pony> 7.5 shall be released
01:30 < thrig> patience, how long will that take
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02:06 < mischief> vm upgrade went ok, so i guess time for the house router :-)
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02:26 < gman999> 7.5 arrives...
02:26 < pony> !
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02:30 < ssm_> it's here!
02:31 < ssm_> cool art
02:31 < ssm_> finally, openbsd 75 has release, now openbsd is officially 75% complete
02:35 < phy1729> You know they didn't start at 0.1 right?
02:35 < lts> A really lucky timing. I literally just had a software complain about a data import from Debian being from a too new version :-)
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02:36 < cat5> the 7.5 banner is more than I could have hoped for
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02:44 < cat5> >Added IBM encoded version of the "Spleen 8x16" font, usable as console font.
02:44 < cat5> sweet
02:46 < mischief> upgraded home firewall to 7.5 successfully
02:47 < mischief> hack the planet
02:47 < pony> fun
02:48 < pony> any suggestions for suitable openbsd router/firewall hardware now that apu is discontinued?
02:48 < pony> I will probably install 7.5 on other pc tomorrow; too eepy today
02:49 < mischief> pony: using odroid-h2+ here with netcard. they make the odroid-h3 now.
02:49 < visl> 4
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02:49 < pony> ta
02:49 < mischief> probably any chinese intel box off aliexpress with some rge(4) nics would work (if you want 2.5Gbe)
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02:50 < mischief> pony: old photo before it moved to its current hole https://i.imgur.com/DiIdnHz.jpeg
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02:51 < pony> nice
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02:53 < pony> do you use it as a router or just a firewall?
02:53 < cat5> imgur holy javascript hellscape
02:53 < mischief> unfortunately on the h2+ cpu it can only rx 2Gbit/s on rge(4) but tx runs around the expected 2.35Gbit/s. though, i don't really care since i have a separate 10Gbe line from my desktop to fileserver
02:54 < pony> all right
02:54 < mischief> pony: boring router. you can look at https://github.com/mischief/ansible to see how i set it up
02:54 < pony> ty
02:55 < pardis> lts: the latest Debian release is older than 7.4, though
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03:02 < lts> That one used a repo by the upstream vendor
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03:11 < cat5> smooth upgrade on the desktop
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03:42 < miah>  #netbsd
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03:43 < thrig> gasp!
03:43 < miah> lol
03:43 < miah> i just updated and was rejoining channels :P
03:44 < thrig> well enjoy your warp(6)
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03:46 < miah> i run netbsd on my old rpi's
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04:01 < aaronm04> What does Linux have to do with "Updated drm(4) to Linux 6.6.19."?
04:04 < bruflu> afaik the drm code is ported from Linux to the OpenBSD kernel
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04:07 < visl> yes. and it is useful to know which version has been ported so you can figure out if whatever video card is supported
04:12 < aaronm04> How does GPLv2 code get ported?
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04:16 < visl> i believe it's dual licensed. gpl or mit 
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04:18 < aaronm04> Ahh ok. Thanks
04:21 < visl> for example: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_encoder.c#L4-L12
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04:42 < SiFuh> Is there an explanation about the meaning of the artwork? https://www.openbsd.org/images/King_of_Kings.jpg  Will their be a 7.5 song release as well?
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04:42 < SiFuh> their/there*
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04:51 < echelon> SiFuh: the pillars are boaz and jachin
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04:53 < SiFuh> echelon: Thanks
04:58 < jtbx> o.O
04:59 < jtbx> sad, there wasn't a song for 7.4 either
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05:01 < cat5> there's always a song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXYVfk7agqU
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05:07 < visl> at least it wasn't rick astley
05:09 < jtbx> goodness, I haven't heard that one in years
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05:52 < IcePic> SiFuh: looks a bit like a "planet of the apes" reference? but the font looks more like a horror flick
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06:43 < zwr> Cool, NetBSD 10 and OpenBSD 7.5
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06:45 < mybalzitch> is netbsd on the moon yet?
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06:50 < SiFuh> Hehe, OpenBSD 7.5 on the MSI Delta 15 A5EFK! https://s3.amazonaws.com/i.snag.gy/D6iMpC.jpg  this happens when xenodm launches, startx is fine. Not to worry.
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06:58 < remiliascarlet> SiFuh: Didn't know somebody even used xenodm.
07:00 < SiFuh> remiliascarlet: I think zorz does(?) and he has the same model laptop as me.
07:00 < jtbx> dude, xenodm is awesome! much more flexible than other display managers, can work with as many users as you like, and it can look very pleasing once you've set it up
07:00 < remiliascarlet> I mean, it's pointless. You simply put "exec startx" in your ~/.xinitrc file, put your username and password in, and you basically got the exact same thing.
07:00 < jtbx> suppose you're right :\
07:01 < SiFuh> I like the auto login in feature 
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07:13 < ludovicus> startx does not work, you should use xenodm for security reasons
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07:13 < ludovicus> at least last time I tried it.. years ago
07:13 < ssm_> cat5: actual openbsd 7.5 song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID0oezJ-5ms
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07:24 < finkfox> after system upgrade to 7.5 firefox/thunderbird start very very slowly. anyone else having similar issues?
07:25 < zelest> I don't remember how it ran on 7.4, but it starts fairly slowly on my machine (-current)
07:25 < zelest> Does setting MOZ_ACCELERATED=1 or not change anything?
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07:31 < finkfox> sorry. false alarm. it works now at its normal speed. maybe I had a network/routing issue?
07:31 < finkfox> the following link returns a 404 for me: https://www.openbsd.org/plus75.html
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07:35 < remiliascarlet> ludovicus: startx always works perfectly for me. XenoDM is basically just a graphical shell around it.
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07:36 < remiliascarlet> Just like all other DM's anyway.
07:36 < ludovicus> ah time to test it again I guess
07:36 < ludovicus> basically yeah, but I can vaguely remember reading about security issues. I'll look this up again
07:37 < finkfox> ludovicus: security issues?
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07:38 < ludovicus> I think just X permissions but I may have worded it wrong
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07:58 < ssm_> another extremely uninteresting openbsd upgrade
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07:59 < IcePic> ssm_: ENOTENOUGHDRAMA
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08:01 < zelest> ssm_, What?! upgrade75.html states there will be PostgreSQL 16.1... yet, my machine has 16.2! *panicattacks*
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08:07 < pardis> remiliascarlet: that's not at all accurate
08:07 < pardis> xenodm and startx work completely differently, one does not wrap the other
08:08 < pardis> and startx is not guaranteed to work on OpenBSD, only if you happen to have hardware which does not require root privileges to configure
08:08 < pardis> if you do, great, but that doesn't make xenodm pointless for people who have different hardware
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08:10 < pardis> and even then, you lose privsep in the X server by using startx, so the result is less secure
08:10 < pardis> (though perhaps not quite as insecure as it used to be in the pledge era)
08:21 < Posterdati> hi
08:21 < Posterdati> even now another release 7.5! A thanks to Theo De Raadt and his coworkers! Thank you people!!!
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08:24 < sibiria> even now, in these dark times
08:24 < mischief> quite a few hang out here.. indeed thanks to them :)
08:26 < renaud> It's still a good channel to hang out :)
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08:29 < mischief> https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/
08:29 < mischief> i did donate just now
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08:32 < Posterdati> I'd like to use OpenBSD as base for my company project, as we will sell the first unit I wil surely donate to the foundention!!
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08:33 < Posterdati> we were biased towards Linux, but after those recent accident, we change our mind... I hope OpenBSD will evolve with unix in mind and not with any corporation need!
08:34 < mischief> making a device as a product based on openbsd seems questionable but i wish you luck
08:35 < Posterdati> mischief: the software part will be distributed free of charge
08:36 < mischief> sure.. our 'clients' receive our 'software' free of charge too. the devil is in the details
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08:37 < Posterdati> mischief: no the devil is in the service lend to them, since this will be not a final user product
08:37 < Posterdati> mischief: they are free to install whatever they wnat on that machine
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08:41 < Posterdati> mischief: the product should be consider as a laptop or a computer for the final user, but the application is tailored for the particular hardware and OS...
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08:48 < finkfox> pkg_add -uUv ... minor is too small ... what exactly does that mean?
08:48 < IcePic> finkfox: usually "I haven't updated my OS"
08:48 < IcePic> at least if it is a system library that has too small version number
08:49 < finkfox> IcePic: I just did a sysupgrade
08:50 < lts> Mirror not up to date?
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08:52 < IcePic> so.. details?
08:52 < IcePic> upgraded from what to what, which lib has too small minor, which package did fail, which mirror is used?
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08:57 < finkfox> from 7.4 -stable to 7.5 -stable ... testing another mirror now.
08:57 < finkfox> ... looks good. thank you.
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09:16 < huy> Hello, just did a sysupgrade too, had this at reboot : /usr: write failed, file system is full
09:16 < huy> coredump of ar(31437) failed, filesystem full
09:16 < huy> How bad is it ?
09:17 < IcePic> huy: you are missing out on some of the kernel or library/sshd relinking
09:17 < IcePic> but you should probably fix the issue at some point
09:18 < huy> Indeed, (SHA256) /bsd: FAILED
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09:19 < ssm_> pax now supports pax in 7.5
09:20 < SiFuh> ludovicus: Unfortunately startx is all that I can get to work for now on that machine. I am not bothered for now, I will look into it at a later date.
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09:28 < IcePic> huy: as for "how bad", it is not super bad that relinking failed, you will just not get the bonus from it, but having /usr filled to 100% in tiself may cause other issues later on
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09:31 < ssm_> check the new xeyes manpage for something interesting :)
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09:35 < pony> lol
09:35 < pony> :)
09:37 < pony> but why does Springsteen care how I use my computer?
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09:52 < dennis> Hmm. Kitty did not like the new terminfo for tmux-256color. I'm getting extra characters all over the place.
09:53 < dennis> Copying the old /usr/share/terminfo/t/tmux-256color to ~/.terminfo/t/tmux-256color seems to solve it
09:53 < huy> Thanks IcePic 
09:54 < moviuro> sysupgrade(8) was uneventful, congrats to the dev team! (sysupgrade(8), 3 min 4 sec downtime, pkg upgrades, then reboot again, so that nothing weird happens re: dhcpcd)
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10:03 < zwr> Ooh, mpv in 7.5 has the gpu-next vo again, that one works a lot better on my 10yo toaster
10:06 < SiFuh> Hehe
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10:28 < Posterdati> hi
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10:29 < Posterdati> I just update to 7.5 an old HP ML110G5 (Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3210 @ 2.13GHz, 2128.02 MHz, 06-0f-0b, patch 000000ba)
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10:30 < Posterdati> the funny thing is that on kernel load on the keyboard all leds turned on :)
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10:39 < SiFuh> Posterdati: Cool
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11:21 < huy> Rebooted to : Segmentation fault (core dumped)  ld.sold: error: cannot find version script Symbols.mapchmod: test-ld.so: No such file or directory/etc/rc[486]: ./test-ld.so: not foundinstall: ld.so.test: No such file or directory sshd(failed).
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11:31 < aesthetics> Hello. Congrats for this new release! New user here, still setting up the desktop env, but hey, everything went really smooth so far. I'm *so* pleased to see stuff like virt-manager, ansible and other - yeah sorry, I might have a bad view of openbsd, but ... damn i'm excited.
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11:32 < RobbieAB> aesthetics: I'm in the same boat... I am not convinced viewing openbsd as a solid, stable, almost boring platform to build great things on is bad.
11:34 < RobbieAB> Not got an openbsd desktop going yet, sadly. Due to a requirement that my current desktop systems have to run nxplayer
11:35 < huy> I was missing a few bytes in ./usr/share/relink/usr/libexec/ld.so.a
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11:36 < remiliascarlet> A friend of mine has problems with MatterBridge on 7.5, but not on 7.4.
11:36 < remiliascarlet> $ ./matterbridge
11:36 < remiliascarlet> matterbridge:./matterbridge: undefined symbol 'syscall'
11:36 < remiliascarlet> ld.so: matterbridge: lazy binding failed!
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11:38 < uwharrie> direct access to syscalls has been removed
11:38 < renaud> https://man.openbsd.org/pinsyscalls.2
11:39 < renaud> wrong copy/paste :)
11:39 < renaud> Removed support for syscall(2), the "indirection system call," a dangerous alternative entry point for all system calls.
11:39 < remiliascarlet> Yeah, I suspected that, thanks for confirming that.
11:39 < Posterdati> please help, which are the correct ownership and flags for files under /etc/mail/dkim/ ?
11:40 < Posterdati> dkimsign cannot open files under /etc/mail/dkim
11:40 < aesthetics> RobbieAB: i was going to suggest using a VM but iirc virtualization isn't as "developped" as on other bsd flavours (but hey, i don't know)
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11:40 < renaud> drwxrwx---   2 _dkimsign  _dkimsign    512 Sep 30  2021 dkim
11:41 < Posterdati> tx
11:42 < extrowerk> Can sombody tell me, why my script doesn't gets started by cron? https://pastebin.com/raw/gFT8ZD3B
11:44 < sibiria> aesthetics: virtualizing openbsd, or virtualizing *on* openbsd?
11:44 < Posterdati> renaud: mmm still compaints about permissions: dkimsign: Can't open key file (/etc/mail/dkim/xxx.key): Permission denied
11:44 < aesthetics> sibiria: *on* openbsd
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11:44 < sibiria> extrowerk: did you edit and install with "crontab -e"?
11:45 < zelest> Posterdati, Look in your smtpd.conf to see what it runs as.
11:45 < sibiria> extrowerk: you can't just drop a file in the directory
11:45 < Posterdati> zelest: under filter ?
11:45 < zelest> Mhm, I have: filter "dkimsign" proc-exec "filter-dkimsign -d domain.tld -s dkim -k /etc/mail/dkim/private.key" user _dkimsign group _dkimsign
11:46 < uwharrie> extrowerk: also cron isn't going to have the same PATH or DISPLAY
11:46 < sibiria> aesthetics: depends on what you intend to do with the guest. there's no virtual graphics device, so anything desktop is off the table. but as far as running most linuces in console/terminal mode it's stable
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11:46 < sibiria> i've run devuan (debian) for years with it
11:46 < Posterdati> renaud, zelest: fixed! Nice, thank you
11:47 < zelest> :)
11:47 < aesthetics> oh, good to know
11:48 < uwharrie> groundwork is getting set for MP support
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11:51 < renaud> not sure that xmessage can access your X server from a cron either
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11:56 < extrowerk> sibiria: i have created it using crontab -e, correct
11:57 < extrowerk> uwharrie: OH, it is then probably the DISPLAY=0:0, right?
11:57 < uwharrie> could use some shellcheck too
11:57 < uwharrie> probably
12:00 < lts> Damn, looks like Gitea does not like 7.5 either, and dies with "function not implemented" error
12:01 < remiliascarlet> Time for these projects (MatterBridge and Gitea) to update. They probably won't care, because both projects seem to be much more Linux-centric.
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12:04 < MiniontobyPI> Lucas6023: I shared the initiator config as well, in a later message. So can you please help me out getting it to work? Since the IP isn't pingable and also the original IP not pingable...
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12:04 < MiniontobyPI> It should have been https://termbin.com/p7kv
12:04 < uwharrie> gitea is at least ported, guess no one is using it on snaps
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12:09 < bountyht> I love that there is an OPenBSD patch with a date set in the future
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12:12 < RobbieAB> aesthetics: One of my openbsd systems is a VM (it's actually my tmux/irssi system), the other is bare metal without VMs. (I could probably squeeze some VMs in there, but it's an old and smallish box
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12:14 < sibiria> vmm isn't blazing, but it has pretty low overhead on both RAM and CPU
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12:18 < RobbieAB> sibiria: Yeah, but the only thing I would be looking for VMs on that box for would be isolation.
12:18 < RobbieAB> Because it is pretending to be a bastion host.
12:20 < renaud> RobbieAB: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119318909016582
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12:45 < RobbieAB> renaud: To be clear, I didn't say I thought VMs would be worth much there. In fact, I was trying to imply the opposite
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12:45 < RobbieAB> I'm pretty sure if I can't get isolation working correctly on openbsd, a virtualisation layer isn't going to offer much improvement.
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12:51 < Lucas6023> MiniontobyPI: the way you are using the variables is very weird: if you're actually using like that, I don't believe anything should work. If it's for hiding your real IPs, then please use any of the reserved IP ranges for documentation (2001:db8::/32 for IPv6, 192.0.2.0/24, 198.51.100.0/24 and 203.0.113.0/24 for IPv4)
12:51 < Lucas6023> I truly have issues understanding what you want to convey in that config
12:53 < Lucas6023> also, you're using `iface lo`; it should be an specific interface and not a group. In the particular case of lo(4), it's common to skip it in pf.conf. Please, before further requesting for help, double check that 1. the flows are set up (ipsecctl -sf) and 2. wether it works with pf disabled
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13:11 < Posterdati> hi
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13:12 < Posterdati> please help, is the dovecot entry in /etc/login.conf necessary?
13:12 < obcecado> hi
13:12 < obcecado> congratulations on the 7.5 release
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13:14 < uwharrie> Posterdati: I recall some users hitting the open files limit without it
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13:17 < Posterdati> uwharrie: so it is better to leave it
13:17 < uwharrie> is it causing you issues?
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13:23 < Posterdati> uwharrie: no, but the sysmerge removes the lines with dovecot from /etc/login.conf
13:23 < tux0r> ah that's new: after sysupgrade 7.4->7.5, unbound lost access to its configuration directory. /var/unbound/* was reset to root:wheel. easy fix, but still curious.
13:24 < uwharrie> they've moved to adding individual files in /etc/login.conf.d/ so that sysmerge on /etc/login.conf isn't so brittle
13:24 < Posterdati> uwharrie: ok
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13:26 < Posterdati> uwharrie: even for other configs like pf.conf?
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13:28 < uwharrie> no, just login.conf(5)
13:28 < phy1729> Order of lines in pf.conf matters quite a bit. Ordering of login classes doesn't
13:29 < uwharrie> but sysmerge doesn't really mess with pf.conf and you can add a /etc/pf.conf.d on your own if you like
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13:31 < Posterdati> uwharrie: well sysmerge wants to remove a lot of lines from my pf.conf
13:32 < martin_> tux0r: it's root:wheel for me as well, but I didn't need to change anything. Unbound still started
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13:32 < tux0r> started: yes. kept running: no.
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13:33 < tux0r> unbound -dd said that it can't create root.key.something - had to reset it to _unbound:_unbound.
13:33  * tux0r shrugs
13:33 < tux0r> makes sense to have it tied to the unbound user anyway
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13:34 < martin_> right, my simple config probably doesn't write anything
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13:36 < martin_> /var/unbound/db is root:_unbound though, with mode 775
13:37 < cat5> remiliascarlet: i don't even have an .xinitrc 
13:37 < cat5> ssm_: good frog
13:38 < sibiria> db/ needs to be root:_unbound (writable by group)
13:38 < sibiria> ls -l dbohdan 
13:38 < sibiria> oops; ls -l to check the file inside if you already have it
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13:39 < sibiria> if there's a root:wheel-owned root.key just delete it and start unbound again with right ownership for the db/ dir
13:39 < remiliascarlet> cat5: Then you create one. Unless you use something like Gayland.
13:39 < sibiria> log/, too, needs to be group-owned/writable by _unbound, even if you have logging disabled
13:39 < sibiria> because it will try spitting out its startup message there all the same
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13:40 < MiniontobyPI> Lucas6023: it is supposed to be a router for a public DDOS protected subenet
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13:41 < MiniontobyPI> about the `iface lo` -> lo is the ONLY lo interface
13:41 < Lucas6023> no, probably lo0 is
13:41 < tux0r> ah, root:_unbound would probably work too, yes
13:41 < Lucas6023> there is no such lo interface
13:41 < tux0r> but it was writable by _unbound before the upgrade and it was root:wheel after the upgrade
13:41 < tux0r> i hate surprises
13:41 < MiniontobyPI> lo0 is not existing
13:42 < MiniontobyPI> lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING>  mtu 65536
13:42 < MiniontobyPI>         inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
13:42 < MiniontobyPI>         inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10<host>
13:42 < Lucas6023> are you running OpenBSD on both ends?
13:42 < MiniontobyPI> Uhmmmmmmm, not on all of the initiators...
13:42 < Lucas6023> then I can't help you. I only run iked in OpenBSD.
13:43 < MiniontobyPI> Me too
13:43 < seninha> >Fixed Linux NFS clients freezing after five minutes of inactivity.
13:43 < MiniontobyPI> But one of the inititaors is ubuntu, but the rest are openbsd
13:43 < seninha> Thank everyone involved, that was pissing me off everytime I used my linux vm
13:43 < MiniontobyPI> and all initiators are problematic atm
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13:43 < Lucas6023> in all the OpenBSD ones, you don't have a lo interface
13:43 < Lucas6023> you have a lo0 interface
13:44 < Lucas6023> I gave you pointer on what to check (IPSec flows, pf)
13:44 < MiniontobyPI> Yes, I was still in the wrong mahcine
13:44 < MiniontobyPI> Yeah the proglem is that when I use the iprange it gives a random ipv6, but it WORK
13:44 < MiniontobyPI> *works
13:44 < cat5> remiliascarlet: i have no need for an ~/.xinitrc
13:44 < MiniontobyPI> but when using one static ip, then it doesn't (static from server/responder)
13:45 < dennis> seninha: ditto! I'm really excited about that fix.
13:45 < MiniontobyPI> Lucas6023: ^^
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13:46 < Lucas6023> as I said earlier, use an subnet in the responder, *USE A FIXED IP IN THE INITIATOR*. The initiator config you shared has "request address any". I told you to use an fixed IP in place of that any.
13:46 < Lucas6023> not the any from the responder
13:47 < oldlaptop> seninha: one nightmare down, +Inf to go
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13:49 < seninha> oldlaptop, the nightmare in question is having to use the linux vm for dayjob
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13:49 < seninha> unfortunately obsd devs cannot fix that
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13:50 < MiniontobyPI> Yeah, I had that as well, but I thought it didn't matter, so for the ease of use I just used any again
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13:51 < seninha> but not needing to umount the nfs client (if everything well) or vmctl stop it (if vm frozen) every hour is a relief
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13:56 < dennis> seninha: should have used to "* * * * * touch /mnt/nfs"-trick
13:56 < dennis> I don't like workarounds like that, but sometimes you just have to
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14:00 < zwr> bc[41479]: pledge "wpath", syscall 5 hmm
14:00 < zwr> managed to make it violate wpath while copypasting a bc script into a bc session 
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14:05 < oldlaptop> seninha: (nor can they fix the Nightmare FileSystem)
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14:13 < IcePic> zwr: interesting, wonder what it was trying to write to the fs just due to a paste
14:15 < MiniontobyPI> oke, Lucas6023, it is now "        request address $gateway:2 \"
14:16 < zwr> I made it happen 2 more times but I'm not sure what causes it. I think it's something to do with line editing 
14:16 < MiniontobyPI> and yes, I did set the "reqeuest address my.ip" when I was using the subnet, but I moved to static ip on responder, tho
14:17 < MiniontobyPI> because then I would be able to remotely update assigned ip
14:17 < MiniontobyPI> But now it doesn't be pinged...
14:17 < zwr> also, these 2 other times didn't involve copypasting
14:18 < MiniontobyPI> Btw, when using subnet and "reqeuest address my.ip", then it still gets a random ip assigned
14:19 < MiniontobyPI> basicly with the subnet on the responder, it gives me an ipv6 ending with "::1da:2ac"
14:19 < MiniontobyPI> instead of "::2"
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15:13 < uuaaeeii> https://www.openbsd.org/75.html nice
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15:25 < tux0r> uuaaeeii: you're the last today, i guess. :p
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15:30 < renaud> depends on your timezone :)
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15:32 < tux0r> well.. 5:32 PM here, 6.5 hours to go before the last one today finds openbsd 7.5 :p
15:32 < tux0r> but it's been out for HOURS!!11!
15:33 < renaud> well, it was there yesterday already, just not official
15:33 < tux0r> some of it was there yesterday
15:34 < tux0r> amazingly, the release was posted hours before my mirror got the images
15:34 < tux0r> ("my" = the one i use, not technically mine)
15:34 < tux0r> good reason to move to cdn.openbsd.org anyway
15:39 < renaud> I now mostly use cdn
15:40 < renaud> I used to use ftp.fr and ft.eu
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15:41 < uuaaeeii> I keep an eye out for site art to change ;_; I am a simple man
15:41 < tux0r> i had some german mirror, but cdn is fast enough
15:41 < tux0r> uuaaeeii: rss feeds exist :p
15:41 < tux0r> simpler than artwork!
15:42 < uuaaeeii> someone worked hard on openbsd.org and a good website is hard to come by.
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15:42 < uuaaeeii> I do appreciate a good feed. 
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15:42 < tux0r> i assume that they update their website with a small shell script that runs sed&awk a few times and replaces the logo image
15:43 < tux0r> doesn't sound like hard work once done
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15:44 < uuaaeeii> that would be pretty cool tux0r. 
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15:47 < tux0r> turns out that only part of it is sed&awk: https://github.com/openbsd/www/commits/master/
15:47 < tux0r> but still.
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16:03 < bountyht> So, why is the reason why there is a patch with a date set in the future listed on the website?
16:04 < sonya> the release is great, imho.. here all works, except bluetooth, even audio (on Intel Alder Lake) goes out of the box, which is not true (here) with win10 fresh install :)  Thanks a Lot! .. and yes, btw, time machine is also invented (patch date) :)
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16:06 < zwr> seems 7.5 can manage lower audio latency than previous releases, I was having issues even at the default 160ms audio latency, now in 7.5 I tried 60ms and it just works
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16:52 < uuaaeeii> that is really neat zwr. great news.
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17:12 < uwharrie> bountyht: because the release had already been built when the errata was created and they gave it the tentative release date. things came in early but no one bothered to move the date back
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17:22 < vortexx> don't forget to run pkg_delete -a and sysclean once you've upgraded sets & packages
17:22 < vortexx> Happy 7.5 day!
17:22 < ssm_> grr put sysclean in base grr
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17:34 < cjs> cheers, folks -- i wonder if someone might direct me to an explanation as to the symbolism behind the new artwork for 7.5 -- thanks :)
17:35 < Bradipo> Titanic?
17:35 < Bradipo> Atlantic?
17:35 < Bradipo> A sunken city?
17:36 < Bradipo> Looks more like Planet of the Apes I suppose.
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17:37 < jmcunx> I heard it is based on a poem called Ozymandias
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17:39 < uwharrie> the file is named King of Kings, so possibly something related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persepolis
17:39 < amnesiac> Hi. why sound via sndiod could play only single right channel ?
17:39 < Bradipo> Ozymandias is a good guess.
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17:40 < amnesiac> sndioctl shows only one control, no other channels to change volume
17:40 < amnesiac> like [1], [2]
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17:40 < uwharrie> or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apadana
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17:43 < mason> Hey, is there a story for the release image for 7.5? https://www.openbsd.org/images/King_of_Kings.jpg
17:44 < uwharrie> mason: current guesses are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persepolis
17:44 < mason> uwharrie: I'd guessed Ozymandias. Reading the other one.
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17:47 < pardis> it's probably better that sysclean remain a package
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17:48 < pardis> following its advice blindly can break things, so having that extra pkg_add step as a "yes, I understand that this is not official advice and I want to use this tool" check for clueless users is worthwhile
17:48 < bountyht> uwharrie: Thanks for the explanation
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17:50 < markand> o/
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17:51 < markand> I have a really strange issue on my thinkpad running OpenBSD 7.5
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17:51 < markand> any keypress in GNOME takes almost ten seconds to appear... no issue on console 
17:51 < thrig> r-em minus ar eff all the things
17:52 < vortexx> markand: you need to boost the entries in /etc/login.conf for staff, that cleared it for me
17:52 < vortexx> as well as cranking some sysctls
17:52 < markand> for staff? 
17:52 < markand> okay lemme have a look
17:53 < vortexx> as in https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/openbsd-on-a-laptop#initial-configuration
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17:55 < thrig> enabling softupdates, huh
17:56 < oZZ> root
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18:02 < ssm_> vortexx: that blog is out of date and has some incorrect configuration (shm sysctl stuff)
18:02 < uwharrie> 2018/6.4 so some/most of that is out of date
18:03 < vortexx> ssm_: out of date but the general gist of it is correct. I'm aware of that but it solved my issue for gnome.
18:03 < vortexx> I wouldn't bring it up otherwise
18:04 < thrig> pledge failed: function not implemented  effing golang...
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18:24 < ssm_> gonna try kde plasma on another user just to see how it works
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18:29 < avemestr> A 4 year old comment on how one should be wary of using the configs shown in that c0ffee.net article: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/exm01m/how_to_calculate_shared_memory_limits_and/fgadtxw/ 
18:30 < avemestr> Some of the setup is probably still fine, but hard to discern what is good and what is bad if one is new to OpenBSD.
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18:44 < MiniontobyPI> Lucas6023: what do you need now? I really need to get this working!
18:45 < MiniontobyPI> I am using "request address $gateway:2" on initiator
18:48 < gnucode> so here's an idea...OPNsense is a GUI based of FreeBSD's pf right?  Does there exist a web based gui based on OpenBSD's pf  ?
18:50 < brynet> no
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18:55 < gnucode> bummer.  
18:55 < metavoid> those guis are far more complex than simply keeping tab of pf.conf, dhcpd.conf and unbound conf
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18:56 < thrig> yeah I toss some gui for iptables, it was generating noise configs and who knew what the rules did
18:56 < echelon> when sysmerge asks what you want to do with the temp file, is the temp file the new one from the upgrade?
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19:13 < echelon> why does it take so long to run rm -rf /usr/ports ?
19:14 < phy1729> Because there's a lot of files? Probably faster to just newfs the partition
19:15 < echelon> i mean it wouldn't take so long if i did this on linux, i was curious what openbsd did differently on the fs layer.. secure deletion of all files?
19:15 < cat5> lol
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19:16 < echelon> what's funny
19:16 < metavoid> maybe its just more honest about deleting stuff than linux
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19:16 < echelon> ok
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19:17 < babz> no, it's just slow
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19:20 < fro> you can also just use linux you know
19:21 < fro> instead of asking disingenuous questions
19:21 < echelon> it wasn't intended to be disingenuous
19:21 < ssm_> well I tested the kde plasma port for about 1 minute, launched a single graphical application and it froze; had to restart xenodm to fix it
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19:22 < fro> well when you include comments like "it wouldn't be this slow on linux" that's how it comes off
19:22 < ssm_> I don't actually care because I'm not a kde user, I was just testing the port
19:23 < echelon> well i'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but i was just comparing my experiences
19:23 < fro> yeah uh
19:23 < fro> you didn't hurt my feelings bud
19:23 < echelon> ok guy
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19:29 < PyR3X> I'm currently running on a snapshot before the 7.5 release (but is already "7.5") at this point I just want to run release but 'sysupgrade -r' will try to get 7.6. Is there a way I can force an "upgrade" and be on release
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19:33 < thrig> ... updating vi ... NOT including the O_SHOWFILENAME thing ...
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19:35 < uwharrie> the advice I've seen is to boot the ramdisk from the release and install from that. sysupgrade doesn't support going from snapshots to a release once the version has moved forward as it's too complicated to tell where your snap is at in the release process
19:37 < visl> PyR3X: openbsdhandbook.com -> Upgrading -> Manual Upgrade
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19:44 < uwharrie> which is the same as https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade75.html#InteractiveUpgrade only from a less reputable source
19:46 < echelon> i did cd /usr && cvs -qd anoncvs@anoncvs.example.org:/cvs checkout -rOPENBSD_7_5 -P src .. the directory tree doesn't match
19:46 < echelon> the ports tarball
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19:50 < echelon> i'm just going to grab the tarball, does /usr/src come with the system?
19:50 < Bradipo> No, the src is a separte tarball.
19:51 < Bradipo> separate.
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20:00 < uwharrie> also, src and ports are separate
20:02 < extrowerk> iwm feels slow on 7.5
20:02 < thrig> and there's a funny sys thing and also some xeno alien something
20:03 < echelon> xenocara?
20:03 < echelon> was about to ask what that was
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20:04 < PyR3X> so the 7.5 bsd.rd and my current /bsd.rd are the same. I should be able to boot to bsd.rd and do an upgrade which will keep my system intact and move me to release from my current snapshot correct?
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20:05 < sonya> PyR3X: yes, bsd.rd will pull current release from http if you're not going to download tgz to disk and point to'em later
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20:06 < PyR3X> I'm sort of terrified of messing my system up it's doing a lot but I'm tired of updating snapshots and just want to move to release now
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20:07  * sonya this time had fun with upgrade, forgot that /var and /tmp are symlinks.. :)
20:08 < sonya> PyR3X: you can anytime use bsd.rd from release for upgrade to release or you can download all *.tgz to disk and just tell bsd.rd use'em in upgrade
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20:28  * pardis wonders if the channel can auto-filter any messages containing the string "openbsdhandbook.com" somehow
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20:29  * sonya think that irssi can do it.. though not sure.. but filter messages should work..
20:29 < pardis> no, I don't mean for me, I mean on the IRC server so that new users don't get bad advice
20:30 < sonya> may be point that to the topic?
20:30 < ssm_>  /var/syspatch/75-002_cringe/*.sig: [...] openbsdhandbook.com now resolves to 0.0.0.0 by default. [...]
20:31 < sonya> hehehe..
20:31 < echelon> good grief, why does gopass need all these python dependencies, i sure hope they don't get installed to the system
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20:32 < pardis> PyR3X: bear in mind that an upgrade to a release is only possible if your snapshot is older than the release you are upgrading to
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20:32 < Lucas6023> echelon: Python is a dep of GnuPG, which is a dep of gopass
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20:33 < pardis> if you have upgraded to a new snapshot after 7.5 was tagged, then you are on a newer snapshot and it is really a downgrade, which may break things
20:33 < Lucas6023> oh, and it also has Git as a dep, which means some Perl scripts
20:33 < pardis> generally installing anything non-trivial with pkg_add can be expected to fill up /usr/local with junk
20:33 < pardis> it's a fact of life when using open-source software these days
20:33 < echelon> Lucas6023: thanks
20:34 < echelon> it's from ports
20:34 < pardis> ports is just a convoluted way of running pkg_add
20:34 < thrig> redshift has a billion deps so I replaced it with a one line shell script
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20:34 < pardis> except using ports pulls in even more dependencies since now you need build dependencies as well
20:35 < Bradipo> What does redshift do?
20:35 < pardis> makes your screen redder at night
20:35 < pardis> or during the day, if you're a vampire
20:35 < echelon> data warehouse thing
20:35 < Bradipo> Interesting.  Something that xrandr can do?
20:36 < pardis> it would be weird to install Amazon Redshift on OpenBSD, so context dictates that is an unlikely intended meaning
20:36 < echelon> :}
20:36  * Bradipo doesn't know what Amazon Redshift is either.
20:36 < thrig> the one line shell script involves xrandr, yes
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20:36 < pardis> Amazon Redshift is the "data warehouse thing"
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20:36 < Ltning> Another happy sysupgrade on my 1997 machine..
20:36 < Bradipo> Oh, I thought he was claiming that adjusting gamme for more red at night was a data warehouse thing.
20:37 < sibiria> sounds painful
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20:38 < ssm_> amazon redshift? a data warehouse? were you planning to bomb it or something?
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21:05 < cjs> test
21:06 < thrig> didn't work
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21:07 < ssm_> cjs: tough talk coming into here running linux
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21:19 < Ltning> pkg_add -u taking a *lot* longer than sysupgrade on this old junk... 
21:21 < miah> install fewer packages ;)
21:22 < Maras> I've just gone from 7.1 to 7.4
21:22 < Maras> smooth like butter
21:25 < pardis> pkg_add is generally slow
21:25 < pardis> less slow than it used to be, but still slow
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21:47 < vortexx> for those of you operating mirrors for personal or public use, here's a "fetch the latest syspatch for mirroring" script I wrote today: https://clbin.com/SRgNS
21:47 < thrig> cd ... || exit 1
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21:49 < thrig> -e "$f" ftp ... amd64/"$f"
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22:15 < Ltning> It's not pkg_add...it's perl. Slow as molasses on old iron
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22:16 < aesthetics> hey, noob question: xterm is yelling stuff like "Action not found: exec-formatted, ..." ; is it because i'm missing some packages, or xterm doesn't have that compiled in or something ?
22:17 < zelest> I've used xterm for years and I've never seen that?
22:17 < zelest> What do you do to have it trigger that?
22:18 < aesthetics> i've a xterm*translation setting in .Xresources to open a browser when I shift click a selected text
22:19 < aesthetics> https://0x0.st/XiTO.txt
22:19 < aesthetics> (if that helps)
22:19 < thrig> OpenBSD's xterm has a bunch of stuff disabled
22:20 < aesthetics> oh, ok! that might be it then
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22:21 < zelest> Ah, that explains it, I've never had bothered with that :)
22:23 < thrig> man xterm | col -b | grep exec-
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22:23 < cjs> ssm_: ? I did not say anything about GNU/Linux... 
22:23 < cjs> Anyway, re: 7.5 - release artwork: It *is* Ozymandias. See, e.g.: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-urmQ5q0-Weo/U68AD0uaIEI/AAAAAAAABY4/P8A6d4P4HLA/s1600/Ozymandias.jpg
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22:24 < cjs> I suspect that the choice has to do with communicating that OpenBSD is king now but that it, like all human endeavours, is ultimately ephemeral.
22:24 < cjs> If somebody more 'in the know' could expand further on this, I am sure that we all would appreciate it :)
22:25 < aesthetics> oh, indeed. I really need to take the habit checking the mans... too used to web searchs (which didn't return much on that topic). Thanks thrig
22:28 < aesthetics> wait, so it's supposed to be working ?
22:29 < cjs> Bradipo: jmcunx: uwharrie: ^
22:29 < Bradipo> Yeah, well, I know little about it other than speculation.
22:29 < uwharrie> cjs: good find
22:34 < avemestr> cjs: Nice find on that image!
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22:36 < jmcunx> interesting pic!
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22:46  * sonya for some reasons thought about "Dark Souls" while starring at 75 pic..
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23:11 < thrig> ... I wonder if the fluidsynth noise got cleaned up
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23:50 < thrig> and lilypond is fastar, yay
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