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00:12 < remiliascarlet> Yesterday I reported a broken sndiod, but apparently it's really an AMD-specific problem as it turns out: https://libreddit.northboot.xyz/r/openbsd/comments/mybklx/keep_losing_audio_with_azalia_on_current/
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01:00 < seninha> Hi! xterm(1) has those -report-fonts and -report-xres command-line options to report font/glyph and X resources information into standard output. When using them, XTerm does the report and then proceeds opening a terminal window. How can I just print the info and exit.
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01:00 < seninha> [kinda offtopic... There is a #xterm channel but without activity or users]
01:01 < seninha> btw `xterm -report-xres -version` just prints the version and exits. -version and -help ignores any other command-line option.
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01:43 < ssm_> hexchat is dead :( guess I need a new client
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01:44 < ssm_> "hexchat isn't dead, hexchat is feature-complete ;)"
01:49 < tux0r> there are two not-too-bad options
01:49 < tux0r> 1) GNU (i'll wait for the audience to stop booing... ... ... ok) GNU Emacs with ERC
01:49 < tux0r> 2) weechat
01:49 < tux0r> that's it, basically.
01:50 < tux0r> that said, hexchat is NOT feature-complete. AFAIK irc is at version 3.2 now.
01:50 < tux0r> hexchat stopped pre-3
01:52 < ssm_> not supporting irc 3 is a feature
01:52 < tux0r> depends. some of irc 3 is inviting for discord users.
01:53 < tux0r> and it's a good thing to attract discord users back to actual chat networks.
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01:55 < ssm_> I'd rather matrix' protocol take the trash personally
01:55 < ssm_> then bridge to matrix
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01:55 < tux0r> matrix is not too great. i mean, matrix is like thunderbird: it's all great until you try encryption
01:55 < tux0r> which is when hell breaks loose.
01:57 < vortexx> heh, under 7.4 my openbsd.amsterdam vm would have non stop bgp renewals over wireguard, but in 7.5 that's no longer an issue (and the other boxes connected over wg never had this issue)
01:57 < vortexx> the wonders of upgrades
01:58 < tux0r> sometimes, sysupgrade improves things.
01:58 < tux0r> (sometimes, it makes one of my two openbsd servers lose all internet connection. it's always fun to find out which one it is!)
02:03 < ssm_> irc client I WANT to use is epic5, but I think it's bugged (*** INFO -- inet_ntostr: Getnameinfo(sockaddr->p_addr) failed: system error)
02:03 < tux0r> irc client I WANT to use is jj, but i'm too lazy to keep thirty tail -f windows open.
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02:04 < ssm_> jj? you mean ii?
02:04 < tux0r> i mean jj. https://github.com/aaronNGi/jj/
02:04 < tux0r> solaris support was added by me :p
02:05 < ssm_> interesting
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02:05 < seninha> tux0r, i'm sure there is a curses frontend for ii/jj
02:05 < tux0r> probably.
02:05 < binrc> I use irssi in tmux on my server. My modem crashes too often and bouncers are a pain. 
02:06 < ssm_> is jjc not a curses client?
02:06 < seninha> also, hexchat is just feature-complete as long as gtk 2 dont break
02:06 < seninha> (using hexchat rn btw)
02:06 < tux0r> jjc is awk, not curses
02:06 < tux0r> seninha: i thought gtk2 is broken by design
02:07 < ssm_> better than gtk{3,4,5}
02:07 < binrc> hexchat is not dead. It is complete. 
02:07 < seninha> GTK is broken by design
02:07 < seninha> binrc, an application cannot be complete/future-proof when its dependencies/libraries are not.
02:08 < binrc> seninha: what is static linking
02:08  * seninha thinks
02:08 < tux0r> statically linked binaries work until the ABI breaks
02:08 < tux0r> which it does.
02:08 < oldlaptop> generally something for /bin and /sbin and nothing else, around here
02:08 < ssm_> openbsd breaks abi every release lol
02:10 < seninha> [bumping my question] xterm(1) has those -report-fonts and -report-xres command-line options to report font/glyph and X resources information into standard output. When using them, XTerm does the report and then proceeds opening a terminal window. How can I just print the info and exit.
02:10 < binrc> that is true. I was morso thinking static linking a la plan 9 where the abi doesn't break but the libraries do
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02:11 < ssm_> seninha: `xterm -report-xres -e exit` works for me
02:13 < seninha> ssm_, that flashes a window; and fricks up a tiling wm by creating a short-lived window
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02:14 < seninha> And feels I am running a cracked software on MS Windows with those flashing cmd.
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02:28 < ssm_> seninha: I think that's the best you can do (unless you want to use appres(1)); as far as I know xterm doesn't have a dry run command
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03:10 < vortexx> tux0r: yeah 7.4 broke my nginx reverse proxy config, but it automagically fixed itself... I'm doing multipath and I think that's where the problem is (I only started using nginx as a reverse proxy in 7.3). So far so good in 7.5
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03:31 < remiliascarlet> tux0r: Matrix is buggy bloatware that deserves not to be used.
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06:52 < pardis> ssm_: quassel works well, although it's not available as a package
06:52 < pardis> easy to build, though
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07:22 < xFCFFDFFFFEFFFAF> is there any malloc vulns arrived? i am still waiting
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07:39 < byteskeptical> just you bro
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10:57 < jfsimon1981_c> Good day,  could someone please help with a simple cronjob, the mutt command doesn't apparently work, i don't see why :
10:57 < jfsimon1981_c> https://pastebin.com/raw/CJHmGgT8
10:57 < jfsimon1981_c> Thanks
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11:08 < dennis> jfsimon: does the mutt-command work if you run it manually?
11:10 < jfsimon> yes actually it's working from console
11:10 < dennis> Ok. What kind of error are you getting from cron?
11:10 < jfsimon> let me see
11:11 < jfsimon> I don't see any
11:11 < jfsimon> Which log is it
11:12 < dennis> Well, there should be some output in /var/cron/log at least. But also, when there is output in a cronjob, or something fails in a cronjob, it generally generates an email to the user
11:13 < dennis> so try to execute just `mail`, unless you've cutomized your mailsetup. (I'm guessing your mutt is connected to gmail or something, not the local system)
11:14 < jfsimon> Yep i fixed a couple things in the email (path for mutt), and the log's pretty usual
11:14 < jfsimon> https://pastebin.com/raw/EgWDVKKN
11:14 < jfsimon> i fixed the logs seen mail earlier this morning, there's not any now, so far as i see
11:15 < dennis> looks like root is executing send.daily? is mutt set up for root?
11:15 < jfsimon> i tries both, it's sending through crontab from both user and root
11:15 < jfsimon> ideally only user, but at the omment neither do work.
11:16 < dennis> well, right now only root executes send.daily, and jeanfrancois is executing send.monthly
11:16 < dennis> is send.monthly the same as send.daily?
11:17 < jfsimon> Yes to differentiate, both do work from console, but neither send mail ...
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11:20 < jfsimon> Theyre slightly different, the mutt command is the same though, and i send a different file as a body.
11:21 < dennis> are you getting emails from cron at all, jfsimon ?
11:22 < dennis> you you throw in a line like "* * * * * /usr/bin/env" in your crontab, are you receiving the output from that?
11:22 < jfsimon> The local mails do work, the mutt uses external mail (startmail account).
11:23 < jfsimon> mutt command also work. And i can do an "at -t..." with the same saily/weekly/monthly scripts, it works too.
11:23 < jfsimon> Only cron i can't figure out it seems.
11:24 < dennis> if local mail works, what is cron telling you? It should be sending you an email every minute.
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11:25 < jfsimon> It doesn't, did only when there were issues to fix
11:25 < jfsimon> That's a bit odd indeed.
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11:27 < jfsimon> i feel cront doesn't properly run these script, i don't see why
11:28 < dennis> Alright. I suggest you start by fixing your script :) Right now it's an executable textfile. Throw in a shebang at the top, i.e. "#!/usr/bin/env sh". And then you delete two of the three crontab-lines, i.e. the ones calling sh and ksh
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11:29 < dennis> Then, you throw in the line "date >> /home/jeanfrancois/test" in the script. And check if you get todays date in /home/jeanfrancois/test every minute.
11:29 < jfsimon> Thanks for the trick, i'll check it
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11:31 < dennis> If you're *NOT* getting anything in /home/jeanfrancois/test, that should mean cron isn't running your stuff. Double-check by removing the script completely, and adding something like "* * * * * /bin/date > /home/jeanfrancois/test" to the crontab.
11:32 < jfsimon> ok, i'm quite sure cron for user/root properly work, i have done small script earlier, i'll check and fix it
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11:35 < dennis> once you're sure cron is actually running your scripts in your crontab, you can try adding the mutt-command directly to cron with some test-text to see if you're getting anything
11:36 < jfsimon> Right that's the correct steps i believe
11:38 < jfsimon> Thanks for the time
11:39 < dennis> when trooubleshooting you want to verify your assumptions/dependencies as early as possible. If a script isn't running in cron, is cron running? Does the script work outside cron? Does the lines in the script work outside the script? Does the stuff in the script work in cron, without the script? etc.
11:40 < dennis> good luck :)
11:40 < jfsimon> that's true i expected i made an obvious mistake, as can happen, all right thx
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11:42 < dennis> It might still be obvious! Just not to me :p
11:42 < dennis> np
11:42 < jfsimon> ok
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12:39 < Voyager_MP> how do I trigger a relink ?
12:39 < Voyager_MP> reorder_kernel 
12:40 < vortexx>  /usr/libexec/reorder_kernel
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12:54 < jfsimon> denis
12:54 < Voyager_MP> how do I uninstall xserver 
12:54 < jfsimon> Fixed it, it was related to mutt using .muttrc under console, not under cront
12:55 < jfsimon> contrab. Added mutt -F /home/jeanfrancois/.muttrc fixed it.
12:55 < Voyager_MP> since 7.5 I have no space left unter /usr anymore 
12:55 < renaud> xserver is under /usr/X11R6 by default
12:55 < renaud> so that won't solve your /usr full issue
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12:56 < renaud> If you don't have a dedicated partition because you did not do default partitionning, then you should be able to remove /usr/X11R6
12:57 < renaud> It will only free up 300Mb though
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13:04 < Voyager_MP> Ok, done, did the job
13:04 < Voyager_MP> thx
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13:07 < vortexx> Voyager_MP: be aware that /usr/X11R6 contaings fontconfig, which is required for many web related stuff
13:07 < vortexx> might be worth repartitioning your system if you can
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13:10 < sibiria> you don't need /usr/X11R6 as separate file system. it just simplifies a few things if you build the system/xenocara
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13:16 < jfsimon> dennis, found the fix, i needed "mutt -F /home/jeanfrancois/.muttrc ..."
13:17 < jfsimon> The user environment and cron env. differ.
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13:19 < dennis> jfsimon: sure. But $HOME is set, so I would have thought mutt was able to fine ~/.muttrc
13:19 < dennis> But I can see others have had the same problem
13:20 < dennis> great that you solved it :)
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13:22 < jfsimon> Yep i don't know exactly, i didn't investigate what's missing, but i noticed mutt ran, it did timeout. To the .muttrc explicitely passed fixes.
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13:23 < jfsimon> (temporary fix which will probably stick ;)
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13:25 < dennis> They often do! :)
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13:55 < seninha> Hi, is there a man page on the specification of escape sequence for OpenBSD consoles like Linux's console_codes(4)? I tried apropos and grep'ed around /usr/share/man but could not find anything like that.
13:55 < seninha> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man4/console_codes.4.html
13:58 < IcePic> seninha: I don't think all arches for obsd implement the same vt<number> console codes, so it depends on what terminal you are actually using. PCs on vga used pcvt25 or something, others have more vt100-like terminals I guess
14:01 < IcePic> man terminfo might be a start, though there probably isn't a single manpage which just says Esc31m; makes text be this color, or whatever that code does
14:01 < phy1729> (red; 1 2 4 is red, green, blue and adding the numbers gets the mixed color)
14:02 < IcePic> phy1729: thanks
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14:03 < IcePic> I think programs should probably not just echo escape codes, but rather use (n)curses in order to change how output looks
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14:08 < phy1729> ah right at least some of the escape handling is in sys/dev/wscons/wsemul_vt100_subr.c
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14:19 < oldlaptop> if nothing else, curses/terminfo/etc enables you to point the finger back at the user for setting TERM incorrectly, if something doesn't work right
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14:21 < fishwaffle> hey so i just installed and ive run into a snag. i've tried setting sndioctl server.device=1 and rcctl reload sndiod but i have no audio from my external dac
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14:23 < Bradipo> What kind of audio is it?  Does it show up in dmesg?
14:23 < fishwaffle> one sec ill paste
14:23 < fishwaffle> uaudio1 at uhub3 port 3 configuration 1 interface 1 "Schiit Audio Schiit Unison Modius" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 7
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14:24 < Bradipo> Is that it?
14:24 < fishwaffle> thats all from dmesg yeah
14:24 < Bradipo> Usually there's at least one more line...
14:24 < fishwaffle> uaudio1: class v2, high-speed, async, channels: 2 play, 0 rec, 1 ctls
14:24 < fishwaffle> audio2 at uaudio1
14:25 < Bradipo> Did you try server.device=1 ?
14:25 < Bradipo> Sorry, server.device=2
14:25 < fishwaffle> yeah
14:27 < seninha> [back from answering door] IcePic, thanks. Yeah, terminfo(5) describes superficially, but has many more information.
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14:28 < seninha> that's the closest we can get to a specification in the manuals.
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14:31 < fishwaffle> i wonder what would happen if i used an optical cable instead of usb
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14:32 < Bradipo> fishwaffle: What happens when you try server.device=2?
14:33 < fishwaffle> nothing
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14:34 < Bradipo> So, sndioctl server.device=2 returns successfully?
14:34 < fishwaffle> yeah
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14:35 < fishwaffle> one moment i need to reboot
14:35 < avemestr> fishwaffle: Try doing "rcctl set sndiod flags -f rsnd/0 -F rsnd/1", reboot and see if it works.
14:35 < fishwaffle> alright ive added that be back in a sec
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14:38 < fishwaffle> Alright was testing to see if I have sound output on Linux, I do
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14:39 < fishwaffle> I did get an error on reboot audio1 sync xfer error=6
14:40 < Bradipo> What's on audio1?
14:40 < Bradipo> I thought dmesg showed audio2...
14:40 < fishwaffle> Idk that's just the error I got
14:40 < Bradipo> Can you pastebin the full dmesg somewhere?
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14:42 < fishwaffle> Yeah 1 sec
14:42 < fishwaffle> https://hastebin.com/share/uhotahatux.yaml
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14:43 < Bradipo> So you have an "eEver Live Streaming USB" on audio1.
14:44 < fishwaffle> Oh yeah that's my capture card
14:44 < Bradipo> I thought you wanted to use your "Schiit Audio Schiit Unison Modius"?
14:44 < fishwaffle> Right
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14:44 < Bradipo> Can you pastebin: sndioctl -v ?
14:45 < fishwaffle> Nothing comes up
14:45 < Bradipo> No output whatsoever?
14:45 < fishwaffle> No
14:46 < Bradipo> That's odd, I've never seen that happen.
14:46 < Bradipo> Is sndiod running?
14:46 < fishwaffle> I ran sndiod and then sndioctl -v cannot open control device
14:47 < Bradipo> What does "I ran sndiod" entail?
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14:47 < fishwaffle> Like I typed sndiod into the command line
14:47 < Bradipo> That's not how one typically starts the service...
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14:47 < Bradipo> rcctl check sndiod
14:48 < fishwaffle> Sndiod(ok)
14:49 < Bradipo> Maybe try restarting: rcctl restart sndiod
14:50 < fishwaffle> Done
14:50 < Bradipo> Does sndioctl -v still report an error?
14:51 < fishwaffle> No I'm getting a list of devices now want me to paste it?
14:51 < Bradipo> In a pastebin, yeah.
14:52 < fishwaffle> https://hastebin.com/share/udegokokuc.lua
14:53 < Bradipo> Haha, I wonder what's with the random extension on those...
14:53 < Bradipo> First was .yaml, now it's .lua
14:53 < fishwaffle> Yeah they just give you a random extension
14:53 < Bradipo> Ok, so server.device=0... can you try setting it to 2 and then rerun/repaste sndioctl -v?
14:54 < fishwaffle> 2[-1]Invalid value
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14:55 < Bradipo> Hmm, well, I guess you can try server.device=1, but I'm not sure if that's correct.
14:56 < Bradipo> Seems like since it's connected as audio2, that you should use server.device=2...
14:56 < fishwaffle> Yeah that's what I thought it'd be too
14:56 < riceandbeans> What's the story with the 7.5 artwork?
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15:01 < thrig> Shelby-ville
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15:02 < fishwaffle> Alrigit so I've switched my dac over to my internal sound cards optical port
15:05 < avemestr> riceandbeans: Ozymandias / Ramesses II.
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15:09 < avemestr> riceandbeans: https://wallpaperim.net/picture/161349-ramses_ii_statue_in_a_natural_state_egypt
15:11 < Bradipo> But what's the relationship with OpenBSD?
15:12 < Bradipo> Why was it chosen as the artwork?
15:12 < avemestr> King of Kings!
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15:16 < fishwaffles> Sry if I dced there for a bit
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15:17 < fishwaffles> Yeah I don't really know what the issue is :/
15:18 < Bradipo> Do you get any audio output from any of the audio devices?
15:18 < fishwaffles> No
15:18 < Bradipo> Hopefully someone else here has more experience with audio/multimedia beyond what the FAQ mentions.
15:18 < Bradipo> Make sure things are muted.
15:19 < fishwaffles> Yeah I was hoping I could get some bsd working I've had best luck hardware wise with openbsd
15:19 < fishwaffles> FreeBSD doesn't recognize my keyboard for some reason
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15:20 < Bradipo> I haven't really had problems with audio when it shows up in dmesg, so I'm surprised.
15:21 < fishwaffles> Ya this error with server.device=2 is throwing me off a bit
15:21 < Bradipo> the -1 invalid?
15:21 < fishwaffles> Yeah
15:21 < Bradipo> What happens if you reconfigure sndiod with -F rsnd/2 ?
15:22 < Bradipo> rcctl set sndiod flags -f rsnd/0 -F rsnd/2 
15:22 < Bradipo> Then restart...
15:23 < Bradipo> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#usbaudio
15:23 < fishwaffles> Rebooting
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15:25 < fishwaffles> Alright so I passed that flag restarted and sndioctl -v says server.device=1
15:25 < Bradipo> Hmm.
15:26 < Bradipo> Might be something you need to post to misc@
15:27 < fishwaffles> Alright I'll sit on it for a bit see if anything comes to mind thanks for the help so far
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18:46 < sibiria> i guess not really needed other than for parallel setups, or very high influx of mails
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18:54 < tux0r> and some modules AFAICS
18:55 < sibiria> iirc everything can interface with the regular "fuzzy storage", unless they started moving away from that recently
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19:32 < ssm_> is there a way to figure out what resolver name autoconf uses so I can configure unwind to resolve it with the force command (eg: attlocal.net)
19:32 < ssm_> tried traceroute with various flags, but no luck
19:35 < sibiria> doesn't it output the info in the lease file?
19:36 < sibiria> e.g. var-db-dhcpleased-re0
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20:26 < ssm_> sibiria: `domain-name:` is just empty
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20:27 < ssm_> though when I enable unwind I can no longer ping domains on my local network, even if I have forwarder just set to { autoconf }
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20:27 < ssm_> s/forwarder/preference
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20:28 < sibiria> ssm_: perhaps you have "ignore dns" set. i do, and mine is empty as well
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20:29 < ssm_> nope. my full config is just `block list "/var/db/unwind_blocklist"	forwarder { 9.9.9.9 port 853 DoT 149.112.112.112 port 853 DoT }	preference { DoT autoconf }`
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20:39 < avemestr> Woop! Woop! 7.5 introduces bwx(4). A port of a linux driver for Qualcomm QCNFA765 wifi chips used in e.g. Thinkpad T14s Gen 3 AMD-edition. Woop woop!
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21:08 < [0x1eef]> Nice :)
21:09 < ssm_> avemestr: no bwx manpage on my end; is it not on amd64 or something?
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21:10 < avemestr> Sorry, bad typo: https://man.openbsd.org/qwx.4
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21:15 < ssm_> avemestr: would you say this is preferrable to iwx(4)? I notice the manpage says nothing about ifconfig powersave (which means maybe it works?)
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21:17 < avemestr> I think the Intel wifi chips in general have better support. Problem is, that on e.g. Thinkpad T14s laptops (and probably others) you'll only get the intel wifi if you buy with intel cpu. 
21:18 < avemestr> But qwx(4) at least makes it possible to buy with AMD cpu and get a wifi connection without using a dongle.
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21:18 < avemestr> On Thinkpads slightly older it wasn't that big a problem: One could swap the wifi-card to an Intel one. But on the newer shiny toys, it is all soldered from the factory.
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21:21 < byteskeptical> avemestr: how else can they make it thinner than your favorite Waifu
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21:27 < avemestr> Funny to think how we could have a week worth of battery and replaceable parts, if they went back to the form factor of e.g. the 2013-era X230 today.
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21:28 < byteskeptical> avemestr: that's too much good, can't have it
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21:31 < avemestr> The X230 had a height of 1" (25mm or so) compared to the T14s with a height of 0.665" (16.9mm). They could even fit a prober keyboard in there!
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21:32 < avemestr> Anyways, it's great to see such a driver from stsp! I think it also applies to the wifi cards used in the even more recent (current gen) T14s Gen 4 AMD machines.
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22:46 < echelon> howdy, i got synergy working as a client but i can't connect to over ssl, has anyone had experience with it?
22:47 < echelon> to the server*
22:47 < echelon> isn't there supposed to be a gui utility accompanying it?
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22:50 < Bradipo> I usually use synergy over SSH.
22:50 < Bradipo> Have synergy only listen on localhost to prevent unwanted access.
22:51 < Bradipo> As for a synergy GUI... never used it.
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22:51 < Bradipo> It's not as if the configuration is terribly difficult.
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22:55 < fro> maybe there's a synergy channel
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22:58 < echelon> Bradipo: well, i recall the gui provides the option for setting up the ssl portion
22:58 < echelon> there doesn't seem to be any command line arguments for synergyc to use ssl
22:59 < Bradipo> Why bother with SSL when you can just use SSH?
22:59 < echelon> i'm using it with ssh already, just figured it would be good to have it as well
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23:02 < Bradipo> So you want to encrypt the traffic with both SSL and SSH?
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23:02 < echelon> yeash
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23:05 < sibiria> butt y doe
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23:08 < oldlaptop> unless the purpose is to disguise the fact that there's ssh traffic there, that probably isn't worth your time
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23:09 < pardis> it's not secure unless you also use tcp forwarding over ssh so you can put tls in your ssh-in-tls
23:09 < Bradipo> If SSL is used to disguise then I'm sure there is a SSL tunnelling technology out there that could be utilized... oh right, stunnel.
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23:10 < oldlaptop> (tls over port 443 will look like HTTPS traffic to application-layer firewalls on particularly fascist networks - I have seen random residential connections kill ssh handshakes, and set up ssh over stunnel accordingly. Might be worth it just to collect all the amusing "Invalid protocol version GET /wordpress/admin.php" stuff in logs.)
23:11 < echelon> yes, i'm on a fascist network
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23:18 < Bradipo> echelon: Are you running synergy on anything other than a local LAN?
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23:19 < echelon> it's not public Internet-facing if that's what you mean
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23:21 < Bradipo> No. I meant is there any L3?
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23:22 < Bradipo> I've only ever used synergy between devices sitting right next to one another.  I suppose it could be used with a "local" system and a "remote" VM...
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23:22 < Bradipo> synergy and SSH don't care where the traffic comes from.
23:22 < thrig> latency might matter
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23:23 < Bradipo> Would be nice if SSH had UDP mode. :-)
23:24 < thrig> SSH/3 now with 9000% more Protocol Buffers, free!
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23:28 < riceandbeans> if you want ssh and udp use mosh
23:33 < thrig> meh
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