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07:47 < Voyager_MP>  7.5 haproxy dies on logrotage via newsyslog
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07:50 < Lucas6023> I think my haproxys are healthy. I'm running -current, but rn it should have the package as -stable
07:50 < Lucas6023> actually, I don't think. They're up and running.
07:50 < Lucas6023> I'm unsure if they got signaled tho
07:51 < IcePic> Voyager_MP: what signal did you send it?
07:51 < IcePic> via newsyslog, that is
07:51 < Lucas6023> iirc it sends HUP
07:52 < Lucas6023> yes, SIGHUP
07:52 < Lucas6023> that is, assuming the default config for both syslog and haproxy
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07:53 < Voyager_MP> yes, the default the line looks like /var/log/haproxy 640 7 250 * Z
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07:57 < Voyager_MP> it does not look like newsyslog causes the problem, haproxy died on an other system as well without newsyslog configured
07:57 < Lucas6023> indeed
07:57 < Lucas6023> I just SIGHUP'd one of my haproxys
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07:57 < Lucas6023> and it kept running
07:59 < Voyager_MP> yes I did that too, and it is still running
07:59 < Voyager_MP> did you updated to 7.5 ?
07:59 < Lucas6023> as said, I'm running -current
08:00 < Lucas6023> and I'm ahead of -stable; updated last Saturday
08:00 < Voyager_MP> ok
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09:21 < Voyager_MP> haproxy just crashed again, in debug you can see a segfault 
09:22 < Voyager_MP> can I donegrade to an older Version ?
09:22 < Voyager_MP> using pkg_add ?
09:23 < sibiria> only if there is an older version
09:24 < Voyager_MP> I guess then pkg_add would list it as option, right ?
09:24 < sibiria> yes, you would've seen it already when installing the first time
09:24 < sibiria> if in doubt: pkg_info -Q haproxy
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09:31 < Voyager_MP> copyed the haproxy binary from 7.4 to a 7.5 test system, ldd looks fine, haproxy works in Version 2.8.3 
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11:24 < Lucas6023> Voyager_MP: you can try running haproxy under ktrace so you get some valuable input as for why it crashes
11:25 < Lucas6023> also if it segfaults then it generated a core file
11:25 < Lucas6023> that can also contain valuable input
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11:27 < Voyager_MP> where would I find the core dump
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11:35 < byteskeptical> Voyager_MP: usually in the same cwd
11:35 < byteskeptical> Voyager_MP: doas find / -iname *.core
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11:41 < Voyager_MP> no, nore core dump
11:42 < Voyager_MP> I just ran ktrace -i haproxy -f ... 
11:42 < Voyager_MP> will see
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11:52 < Lucas6023> Voyager_MP: you might want to run `ktrace -di haproxy -f ...`
11:54 < Voyager_MP> @Lucas6023 thx
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12:21 < mischief> hm. no solene any more?
12:23 < IcePic> solene seems to come and go.
12:26 < mischief> i enjoyed their article on ipfs. i've been playing with it recently
12:28 < mischief> i pinned the amd64 7.5 sets on my node, and successfully installed a vm from it using the cloudflare public gateway. pretty neat.
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12:41 < sonya> could you please advice how to increase cursor size in firefox window? ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini seems to have no impact, and just failed to set it with 'gsettings'.. thanks
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12:43 < byteskeptical> sonya: have you tried XCursor.size: in .Xdefaults?
12:43 < sonya> sure
12:44 < sonya> in ~/.Xresource actually
12:44 < sonya> with xrdb -merge ~/.Xresource
12:47 < byteskeptical> you have to restart X while being logged out
12:47 < sonya> omg.. set the require cursor values in ~/.Xdefaults and it works! Thanks!
12:48 < byteskeptical> no worries
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12:49  * sonya is dumb and needs to learn the difference between ~/.X* files..
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12:50 < sonya> byteskeptical: all seems to be fine without restart.. just duplicated from ~/.Xres to ~/.Xdef and viola..
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12:51 < byteskeptical> yeah sorry forgot we due the resource manager property thing now
12:52 < byteskeptical> you can see your root window info with to make sure the properties you think are being loaded are: xprop -root
12:53 < sonya> Huge Thanks!
12:54 < byteskeptical> glad I could help
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13:01 < mischief> also, i think pftop is kind of broken. it seems it wasn't updated for the pf(4) ticketing change :-(
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13:41 < Voyager_MP> @Lucas6023 ok, haproxy crashed again, how do I make use of the ktrace dump ?
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13:42 < pardis> if only OpenBSD shipped with documentation
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13:43 < sibiria> documentation is on the roadmap for 2028
13:43 < zelest> right after everyone switch to IPv6
13:46 < Voyager_MP> too funny 
13:48 < Voyager_MP>  93296 haproxy-2.8.6 PSIG  SIGSEGV SIG_DFL code=SEGV_MAPERR addr=0xb722b816fd3 trapno=4
13:48 < Voyager_MP> human readable :D
13:49 < Lucas6023> the previous line is probably useful too
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13:50 < Voyager_MP>  93296 haproxy-2.8.6 RET   sendto 51/0x33
13:50 < Lucas6023> also, now that you ran it in foreground, you should have the core file too
13:50 < Voyager_MP>  93296 haproxy-2.8.6 GIO   fd 26 wrote 51 bytes
13:50 < Voyager_MP>        "\^T\^C\^C\0\^A\^A\^V\^C\^C\0(\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0v\M-G*\M^IO]\^Dv?\M^[\^O\M-'\M^KF\M-{O\M^?\M^\\M-gc\M-UV\M-nrFc_\M^Z\M^@2\M-`/"
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13:50 < Voyager_MP> no I don't 
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13:52 < Voyager_MP> to me, it does not help very mutch, can I improve this a little more _
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13:56 < pardis> haproxy does privdrop, it won't have permission to write a core dump normally
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14:00 < Voyager_MP> ok, is there anything I can do ?
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14:42 < op2> Voyager_MP: set sysctl kern.nosuidcoredump=2, make it crash and use the corefile at /var/crash/haproxy.core
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14:44 < op2> haven't followed the discussion, but make sure to also have debug symbols otherwise the core file alone won't be much useful (but could still give some pointers)
14:45 < kn> thinkpad nipples moving the cursor on their own due to recalibration is the most infuriating hard/firmware bug i have encountered so far
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14:50 < sibiria> good thing they can be disabled at hardware level, for the sake of sanity
14:50 < sibiria> trackpoint - not even once
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14:54 < jmcunx> kn: Odd I rarely see that on OpenBSD, once in a great while.  When I had linux on it, recalibration was a multi-day occurance.  But I disable the touchpad, maybe that is why (?)
14:54 < kn> see it daily on both openbsd and linux
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14:56 < kn> linux supposedly can tweak some calibration parameters, but docs, code and testing had barely anything to do with each other
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15:05 < Lucas6023> I see it daily on my X13
15:05 < Lucas6023> sibiria: trackpoint ftw actually! I do it the other way around and disable the trackpad
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15:08 < sibiria> after using apple's amazing trackpads for almost 20 years i can't ever get used to trackpoint, despite non-apple trackpads being so poor in comparison
15:09 < sibiria> i'll live by the trackpad; die by the trackpad. trackpad is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end
15:09 < miah> same. always a invisible hair on my finger touching that touchpad and moving the mouse around. trackpoint is always where i want it.
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15:10 < miah> my biggest complaint about some thinkpads is the bios being locked to specific m2 wifi cards
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15:11 < sibiria> yeah that's pretty hostile behavior
15:11 < sibiria> and bios/efi whitelist hacking only gets one so far
15:13 < miah> ya, i'd rather replace with some openbios kinda thing, but the thinkpad i own that has this issue isn't supported yet (and I have too many projects to dare take it on)
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15:13 < thrig> :> ~/todo
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15:14 < miah> thankfully openbsd is fine with that wifi. it was 100% flakey with linux though. every boot it was a random dice roll on if it would establish a link with my ap
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16:38 < Pirouel> Hello
16:38 < Pirouel> Do people use httpd with relayd please?
16:38 < Pirouel> On one of my vhosts since update 7.5 I no longer have Content-Length in my headers.
16:38 < Pirouel> Could someone help me please?
16:38 < Pirouel> Thanks
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16:56 < byteskeptical> Pirouel: we need config or can't help
16:57 < Pirouel> yes
16:57 < MiniontobyPI> Hey guys, I am working on iked router for ddos protected ips. I got it to link up and give out ip. However if I now try to go onto the internet on the remote machine, then for every <amount of assigned ips of responder> of the <amount + 1> it works, but 1 of the <amount> times then it takes 62 seconds to connect to a website
16:58 < Pirouel> byteskeptical this is a curl on img
16:58 < Pirouel> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
16:58 < Pirouel> Accept-Ranges: bytes
16:58 < Pirouel> Access-Control-Allow-Credentials: true
16:58 < IcePic> sounds like dns problems
16:58 < Pirouel> Access-Control-Allow-Headers: Authorization, Content-Type
16:58 < Pirouel> Access-Control-Allow-Methods: OPTIONS, GET, PUT
16:58 < Pirouel> Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *
16:58 < Pirouel> Access-Control-Max-Age: 7200
16:58 < Pirouel> Cache-Control: max-age=31556952, immutable
16:58 < Pirouel> Connection: Keep-Alive
16:58 < Pirouel> Connection: close
16:58 < Pirouel> Content-Disposition: inline; filename*=UTF-8''390341e9-fe48-4244-98c9-4df6e18077c6.jpg
16:58 < Pirouel> Content-Security-Policy: default-src https:; style-src 'self' 'unsafe-inline'; font-src 'self' data:; script-src 'self' 'unsafe-inline' 'unsafe-eval'
16:58 < Pirouel> Content-Type: image/jpeg
16:58 < Pirouel> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2024 16:57:43 GMT
16:58 < Pirouel> Last-Modified: Tue, 09 Apr 2024 11:41:57 GMT
16:58 < Pirouel> Permissions-Policy: interest-cohort=()
16:58 < avemestr> Woah!
16:58 < Pirouel> Referrer-Policy: strict-origin
16:58 < Pirouel> Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000; includeSubDomains
16:58 < thrig> argh
16:58 < Pirouel> X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
16:58 < IcePic> Pirouel: please...
16:58 < byteskeptical> Pirouel: bro paste site it
16:58 < IcePic> MiniontobyPI: 60 sec delay sounds like issues with resolving the name
16:59 < IcePic> MiniontobyPI: may or may not be related to ipsec/ike tunnels having slightly less mtu than normal packets and hence needing fragmentation to work correctly
17:01 < Pirouel> byteskeptical here is the curl output: https://pastebin.com/cDyJhQb5
17:01 < Pirouel> It's an image, but I don't understand why relayd doesn't return a header: Content-Length
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17:02 < Pirouel> I need this header
17:02 < Pirouel> With openbsd 7.4 it worked fine
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17:04 < byteskeptical> Pirouel: what is in your relayd.conf and httpd.conf?
17:05 < Pirouel> I only use relayd for this vhost which proxy to a prosody module (xmpp)
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17:06 < MiniontobyPI> 0 : :289c::
17:06 < MiniontobyPI> 1 :
17:06 < MiniontobyPI> 2 : :289c::
17:06 < MiniontobyPI> 3 :
17:06 < MiniontobyPI> 4 : :289c::
17:06 < MiniontobyPI> 5 :
17:06 < MiniontobyPI> when having only 1 ip on the responder
17:06 < MiniontobyPI> IcePic: it is really strange because yeah, I will show example, please give me a minute
17:08 < MiniontobyPI> 0 :
17:08 < MiniontobyPI> 1 : :289c::
17:09 < MiniontobyPI> 2 : :289c::1
17:09 < MiniontobyPI> 3 :
17:09 < MiniontobyPI> 4 : :289c::
17:09 < MiniontobyPI> 5 : :289c::1
17:09 < MiniontobyPI>  
17:09 < MiniontobyPI> This is why it is so strange
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17:09 < Pirouel> byteskeptical my relayd conf : https://pastebin.com/ZLvsPv8z
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17:11 < Pirouel> byteskeptical an https://pastebin.com/QMz2UBjm
17:12 < Pirouel> s/an/and/
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17:14 < MiniontobyPI> https://pastebin.com/1vFXQz5e
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17:14 < MiniontobyPI> IcePic: ^^
17:14 < MiniontobyPI> If you look at that, then you cannot say me that that looks random...
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17:15 < MiniontobyPI> Or that that has to do with the MTU
17:16 < MiniontobyPI> Like what is going on?
17:17 < MiniontobyPI> I am not going to add like 98 aliases (in total 99 ips pointing to machine) to make you wait every 1/100 internet connections..
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17:20 < MiniontobyPI> Can someone help?
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17:22 < sibiria> did you try asking on the openbsd reddit already?
17:22 < sibiria> and/or mailing list
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17:23 < MiniontobyPI> But I am not sure how to explain this issue
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17:35 < mischief> MiniontobyPI: do a packet capture and analyse it?
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18:53 < A1ice> https://paste.c-net.org/SchmuckHootie finally, upgrade my machine to 7.5
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19:00 < markand> converted my setup from gandi wildcard to OpenBSD's acme-client
19:00 < markand> saved 199€
19:01 < markand> 6 lines of code, what else?
19:01 < markand> and the same of configuration file
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19:15 < MiniontobyPI> mischief: can you help me get started. I don't exactly know what to capture and how to analyse it
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19:30 < avemestr> A1ice: What kind of Octeon machine is that?
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19:31 < A1ice> avemestr: octeon based mips64 processor https://www.openbsd.org/octeon.html
19:32 < A1ice> pity that openbsd/mips64 golang ports are broken
19:32 < A1ice> wish do not drop this pair
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19:42 < Red> if only it didn't stall on I/O over USB
19:42 < Red> :sigh:
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19:54 < mischief> Red: seems to be a common problem in crappy embedded ip and cheap flash.
19:54 < Red> no it's specifically an octeon usb driver issue
19:54 < mischief> MiniontobyPI: i dont know anything about iked. capture the packets and look at it. worst case, you have a capture somebody else can look at.
19:55 < Red> its too bad openbsd lacks support for mediatek mipsel:-)
19:55 < sibiria> openbsd wouldn't fare well on 32 mb flash and 8 mb ram anyway :p
19:56 < Red> got debian11 mipsel on a mt7621 board, 256 MB ram, 30 GB SSD disk connected via PCIe:-)
19:57 < sibiria> mt7621 devboard?
19:57 < Red> yeah.
19:57 < Red> it's no speed-demon but it's completely functional
19:57 < Red> "devboard"
19:57 < Red> the lines blur when it comes to devboards and routerboards, I guess...
19:57 < sibiria> yeah figures i guess. 99% of mediatek mipsel products in the wild are cheapo wifi appliances
19:59 < Red> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32819923460.html
19:59 < Red> one of these:-)
19:59 < Red> sadly lacks a FPU
20:00 < sibiria> i can't view the product unfortunately. not available in my location, so alix just "404"s the page
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20:00 < sibiria> can i ask your location?
20:00 < Bradipo> Does that mean it sinks?
20:00 < Red> norway:-)
20:00 < A1ice> some octeon device also without fpu
20:00 < sibiria> nope, they just don't want to show me the product
20:00 < sibiria> maybe i can search by name
20:01 < Red> "MTK MT7621 Enterprise Wireless Router Sata LTE 4G WIFI OpenWrt MT7603 MT7612 Gigabit MT7621A chipset Sim Card PCBA ODM OEM Board"
20:02 < Red> by "unielec" heh
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20:05 < Red> I believe they were pushing for official u-boot, so that would make them entirely blob-free too, excluding of course anything fused in the silicon
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20:08 < A1ice> lol, I'm curious if there are non-free blobs in octeon device's uboot, but I haven't checked it yet.
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20:10 < Red> I am not sure if the old ralink u-boot used on mt7621 actually has any blobs
20:10 < Red> but you'd have to do a deep dive into the arcane arts to even reproduce such a binary
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20:52 < ssm_> annoying that mount_mfs(8) abides by login.conf(5)
20:52 < ssm_> which class is used anyways? just whatever root belongs to?
20:52 < ssm_> so daemon
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20:54 < ssm_> guess I can bump daemon up to 10G datasize...
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20:55 < fro> ok
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20:57 < ssm_> was thinking about building ports in memory, which is why I'm doing this at all
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21:02 < ssm_> interestingly, setting mount_mfs with -s=10G and login.conf's datasize to 10G results in an alloc error; lazy solution would be to set login.conf limit 1G higher, which is probably what I'm going to do
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21:04 < metavoid> hmm I ran vmd's for port compilation on 40G mfs...was fun
21:04 < metavoid> with vmd's cpu limitation and all
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21:15 < vortexx> ssm_: just set datasize to infinity, that's what I've got it set to on my port building VM
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21:22 < ssm_> vortexx: I set to 11G since I want 10G; I'm not going to be building chromium
21:22 < ssm_> also it's not a vm, it's my laptop
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21:23 < ssm_> I got it all set up and it seems to be working, now I have /tmp/ports.{pobj,packages,distfiles,plist} on my mfs mount
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21:24 < ssm_> with symlinks from those dirs to the relevant locations in portsroot
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21:25 < vortexx> I prefer to use dpb to handle all that, but mounting in mfs the tmp dir it builds in seems fine
21:26 < ssm_> now my ports partition is way to big haha, only need to make it 1G with how I set it up
21:26 < ssm_> s/to/&o
21:27 < Bradipo> Nice use of &
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21:28 < ssm_> I love confusing users with more obscure ed commands
21:28 < ssm_> not that & is really that obscure
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21:28 < ssm_> maybe more obscure than \0
21:28 < Bradipo> No, I use & a lot.
21:28 < mischief> how big is pkg repo?
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21:39 < ssm_> at least 3 fishes
21:39 < ssm_> all with beer
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22:47 < jrmu> After configuring RAID5 with softraid, I get this error: cannot open sr0a:/etc/random.seed: can't read disk label https://paste.ircnow.org/gtujs9y7o16ngtmnsh6r
22:47 < jrmu> This is run in a virtual machine inside vmm for testing. RAID1 worked fine, but RAID5 seems to have issues with the disklabel
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22:59 < uwharrie> you're trying to boot a RAID5? See the table at https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#softraid
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23:02 < sibiria> jrmu: openbsd's bootloader doesn't have support for assembling softraid arrays with partial data
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23:02 < sibiria> can only be assembled once the kernel has booted
23:03 < jrmu> sibiria: hmm, it seems to boot ok with RAID1. So RAID5 will only work if the initial boot disk is not RAID5?
23:03 < sibiria> RAID1 isn't partial data
23:03 < sibiria> it can boot off on any single disk in the array
23:03 < sibiria> off of*
23:03 < jrmu> ahh, gotcha, makes sense now
23:03 < jrmu> ok thank you, that clarifies a lot
23:04 < sibiria> one wonky solution is to keep a separate boot medium just for /, and the rest of the filesystems on RAID0/5 disks
23:04 < sibiria> but keep in mind that openbsd's softraid is very barebones and slow
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23:04 < jrmu> yup, I'm thinking then RAID1 for root, and RAID5 for the rest
23:04 < sibiria> it does disk i/o in serial, not in parallel
23:04 < jrmu> oh, very slow? hmm
23:04 < jrmu> how about RAID1, is that done in parallel?
23:05 < sibiria> none of the raid levels are done in parallel
23:05 < jrmu> ouch
23:05 < sibiria> write speed drops almost linearly with each drive in the array
23:05 < jrmu> am I better off with a hardware RAID card then?
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23:06 < sibiria> in my opinion, yeah. i only use it for the crypto raid level
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23:06 < sibiria> it's the only one that makes real sense given the harsh caveats of serial writes
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23:07 < sibiria> hardware RAID controller, or at the very least eventual "fake" RAID if the motherboard supports it
23:07 < jrmu> one benefit of RAID1 at least is hopefully the data is mirrored and safer
23:08 < jrmu> but then RAID5 seems to have no benefit at all if it's done serially
23:08 < sibiria> RAID1 comes with entirely new risks because of the serial writes
23:09 < sibiria> practically any crash may give you a split view on the disks
23:10 < jrmu> hmm
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23:12 < jrmu> in that case, is a solution to rebuild the disks after each crash?
23:12 < jrmu> or would you recommend avoiding softraid altogether
23:13 < jrmu> that's really disappointing to hear
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23:13 < sibiria> if you crash in the middle of a write you will have to fsck and rebuild, since the disks are almost guaranteed to be desynced
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23:17 < thrig> I've also seen hardware raid do wacky things
23:18 < sibiria> sure. just way, way better than the half-baked softraid of openbsd...
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23:21 < jrmu> I seem to recall some of that need to constantly rebuild RAID1 arrays
23:21 < jrmu> does openbsd notify you if the array is degraded?
23:22 < sibiria> yes
23:22 < jrmu> I thought that need to constantly rebuild was my problem, but I guess it's an issue with softraid itself
23:23 < sibiria> i've not had many problems with linux' mdraid
23:23 < sibiria> but it's very mature
23:23 < sibiria> actively developed
23:24 < sibiria> if you're running on a normal PC motherboard you'll most likely have "fake" RAID on it. i can't imagine it'd be worse than openbsd's softraid
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23:27 < sibiria> you could fool around with softraid RAID1/5 in e.g. virtualbox as well. see how bad it is if you pull the plug on it during writes and such
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23:32 < jrmu> alright, thanks sibiria , thrig . I had wanted to do openbsd vmm hosting, so I'll keep experimenting
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23:33 < jrmu> probably I will just stick with RAID1 then, RAID5 seems to offer little advantages
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