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01:18 < darwin> some other OS/*BSD have a cache of all downloaded packages that never gets deleted until your storage drive fills, causing problems... does OpenBSD have such a cache I can clean periodically?
01:20 < brynet> no
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01:26 < darwin> on an OpenBSD 7.4 server I have, 'crontab -e' just says the crontab wasn't changed, doesn't open the editor
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01:27 < darwin> i will upgrade to 7.5 soon but maybe should find out what happened first?
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01:32 < phy1729> What are VISUAL and EDITOR set to?
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01:35 < darwin> $VISUAL isn't set and $EDITOR=nano
01:35 < darwin> which works fine on another OpenBSD 7.4 server I have
01:36 < darwin> nano is installed
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01:38 < darwin> i guess nano was corrupt; reinstalled; works now
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01:46 < darwin> can I remove sets after full upgrade?  On my servers I have no need for the X sets (and they're not webservers so won't even need random packages those unfortunately sometimes need that are part of X)
01:49 < tommyrot> sure go ahead, you have my permission
01:49 < darwin> how do you do it though?
01:49 < mischief> have you tried 'rm'?
01:50 < darwin> that's not how you remove a set
01:51 < mischief> oh, i'm sorry. i was under the impression 'rm' removed things.
01:51 < darwin> don't you ever use pkg_delete ?
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01:52 < darwin> you could seriously mess up your system if you don't use that when necessary
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01:53 < thrig> rm would be a solution for unwanted things in the base sets, which are not packages
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01:53 < darwin> i see
01:54 < phy1729> Or just don't bother
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01:58 < fro> i don't understand the obsession with removing sets
01:59 < darwin> do you know what space is?
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02:00 < pony> 2024 and worried about space
02:00 < fro> the final frontier
02:00 < fro> oh
02:00 < fro> he gone
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02:04 < pony> "I want my car to weigh less, so I'll just remove a few of the pieces."
02:04 < tommyrot> maybe he went on to remove /bin/sleep because the server is on 24/7
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02:08 < darwin> i want to manually merge the new /root/.profile but don't know where the new one is
02:09 < darwin> the update tool to merge is too difficult for me so I'll do it manually
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02:11 < fro> ok
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02:29 < byteskeptical> darwin: just get it from the src tree
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02:42 < darwin> but it's already downloaded--where is it?!
02:42 < fro> just run sysmerge again
02:42 < fro> jesus christ
02:44 < darwin> Goddamn
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02:55 < lockywolf> Does anyone use vxlan on non-standard port?
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02:56 < lockywolf> I am running ifconfig vxlan0 vnetid 101 tunnel 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1:8472 tunnelttl 10, and then use tcpdump on lo0
02:56 < lockywolf> And what I see is 04:56:18.533690 127.0.0.1.4789 > 127.0.0.1.4789: VXLAN vni 101: arp who-has 172.16.101.1 tell 172.16.101.2
02:57 < lockywolf> shouldn't the destination port be 8472?
02:57 < lockywolf> also ifconfig vxlan0 does not show target port
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03:12 < lockywolf> in any case this command only worked for 7.4, on 7.5 it complains ifconfig: SIOCSLIFPHYADDR: Invalid argument
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04:01 < lockywolf> dlg: are you David Gwynne ?
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05:38 < dlg> lockywolf: yes
05:38 < dlg> why do you have a vxlan with both ends on 127.0.0.1?
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06:14 < lockywolf> dlg: because I have an udp tunnel listening in userspace
06:17 < dlg> sounds like a job for tap(4)?
06:18 < dlg> add 127.0.0.2 as an ip alias and have it listen on that?
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06:54 < jrmu> can swapctl(8) use a file like ~/swapfile for swap space? I tried running # swapctl -a ~/swapfile and got swapctl: /home/jrmu/swapfile: Invalid argument. It works fine for swap partitions but I thought a swap file was also possible
06:56 < IcePic> jrmu: it can
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06:57 < IcePic> jrmu: the file needs to exist first, so dd dev/zero to it to the wanted size
06:57 < jrmu> oh nice, let me try that IcePic , one sec
06:57 < jrmu> all I did was touch the file, I guess maybe that was my mistake
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06:59 < jrmu> works thanks IcePic !
07:01 < IcePic> at least you don't have to run "mkswap" and things on the file, as other OSes..
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07:05 < lockywolf> dlg: using a different IP does work, thank you
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07:14 < stellar> Hello. I was reading some of the release notes for 7.5 and saw apldcp(4) and apldrm(4) on there. Are those dealing with gpu acceleration for apple silicon devices?
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07:16 < renaud> The apldcp driver controls the display coprocessor integrated on Apple SoCs.
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07:16 < renaud> The apldrm driver provides kernel mode setting (KMS) functionality for the graphics hardware integrated on Apple SoCs.
07:16 < renaud> Apple SoC means "Apple silicon"
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07:20 < stellar> renaud: I am not too knowledgeable on the topic. Is this the building blocks to graphics drivers or is that it? Sorry 
07:21 < lockywolf> dlg: is "ifconfig remote" working as expected? The changelog for 7.5 is saying that it should be possible to indicate the target peer manually, but I am not sure how.
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07:24 < dlg> lockywolf: i dont think remote is a valid thing for ifconfig
07:24 < dlg> are you talkign about endpoint?
07:25 < dlg> which vxlan mode are you using?
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07:35 < renaud> stellar: yes
07:36 < renaud> stellar: gfx should now work. but I haven't tested
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07:39 < stellar> renaud: that's awesome! I have an m1 pro macbook pro that I might try this with . I installed openbsd on apple silicon when it first got support about a year and a half ago on an m1 mac mini and it was pretty cool
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07:42 < Foxy_> puffybuf: for your sysupgrade question, see this modified script (with option to exclude some sets) => https://vincentdelft.com/post/post_20201021/
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07:50 < lockywolf> ah, yes, endpoint
07:50 < lockywolf> dlg: for this setup, I am already done. In the future I might have to use the endpoint machinery
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08:02 < lockywolf> dlg: I have sent you an email with the actual setup, for reference. Thank you again for helping to resolve the issue.
08:03 < lockywolf> are there any plans to implement some other kind of FS on OpenBSD? maybe a port of ZFS, or HAMMER? Or is it considered a useless thing to do?
08:06 < Lucas6023> it isn't considered useless. ZFS has little chances because of licensing. HAMMER2 has better chances. Nobody with the skills and time to actually implement it have showed up yet.
08:06 < Lucas6023> also search the mailing list for the countless time people have asked the same question.
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09:02 < vortexx> so we've had two people here upgrading to 7.5 via sysupgrade on bsd.mp systems who ended up with bsd.sp as their kernel, maybe there's a bug there?
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09:52 < Posterdati> hi
09:52 < Posterdati> please help, did anyone experience freezes under firefox-esr heavy usage on 7.5?
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10:06 < vortexx> Posterdati: you probably need to up some things in login.conf
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10:19 < zwr> firefox/chromium and its derivatifes are very slow and stuttery all the time for me on openbsd
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10:27 < lts> logit.conf increases, mfs for caches, on Firefox about:config -> gfx.webrender.all=true and layers.acceleration.force-enabled=true
10:27 < lts> s/logit/login/
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10:36 < zwr> Hmm, if mktemp has a -q flag that is documented "Fail silently if an error occcurs" in the man page, and it prints an error message unconditionally if pledge() errors, does that count as a bug? See line 42 in https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/mktemp/mktemp.c?annotate=1.26
10:42 < zwr> I guess the only solution would be to move pledge after the getopt() loop and that wouldn't be good either so it's stuck between a rock and a hard place and I'm ultimately obsessing over tiny details because that will only fail in the edge case of a process forking and execing mktemp with too little privileges of all things
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10:47 < pardis> seems like a pointless option anyway
10:47 < pardis> if a script doesn't want errors on stderr it can just 2>/dev/null
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10:50 < pardis> (but also, scripts that hide diagnostic information from the user are evil)
10:51 < zwr> yes, I've definitely spent lots of time figuring out what went wrong with a script that returned 1 but didn't say why
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15:00 < a1fa> wow
15:01 < a1fa> i just made my opebsd desktop explode
15:01 < a1fa> drm:pid43339:gmc_v9_0_process_interrupt *ERROR* [gfxhub0] no-retry page fault (src_id:0 ring:24 vmid:1 pasid:32769, for process Xorg pid 87021 thread Xorg pid 63652)
15:02 < a1fa> set chromium to gtk theme
15:02 < a1fa> set gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme=1 in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
15:02 < a1fa> reload i3wm - hard hang
15:03 < Bradipo> My favorite gtk setting is: gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = false
15:03 < Bradipo> That used to be the default.  Now it's annoying that I have to enable it all the time.
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15:03 < Bradipo> I want my middle button to "warp" the slider.
15:04 < Bradipo> Sounds like a good bug to report though if you can reproduce.
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15:05 < a1fa> yeah i can
15:05 < a1fa> i dare not get flamed by Theo
15:05 < a1fa> "you are doing it wrong"
15:05 < Bradipo> I don't know... if it crashes, it's hardly you that's doing it wrong.
15:06 < Bradipo> Besides, you need a flame that you can print out and put on your wall in a frame.
15:06 < Bradipo> I have at least one.
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15:10 < a1fa> anyone else with i3wm that wants to test this?
15:10 < a1fa> i3wm/chromium
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15:14 < vortexx> a1fa: try installing ungoogled-chromium to see if it does the same thing?
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15:15 < Bradipo> Google trying to install a backdoor and X is crashing?
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15:18 < a1fa> mm.. vortexx thanks for that.. everyone needs less google in their life
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15:22 < a1fa> locl i locked up again
15:23 < vortexx> worst luck
15:23 < a1fa> trying with firefox
15:23 < a1fa> no issues with firefox
15:23 < a1fa> something with chromium and it's gpu acceleration
15:24 < a1fa> tbd
15:26 < a1fa> haha. the funniest thing is getting used to not being able to search out of address bad
15:26 < a1fa> bar
15:26 < cat5> whoa I just woke up and remember I had a dream that somebody at work made a beautiful fvwm configuration and I was going to go home and copy it 
15:27 < a1fa> fvwm - glutton for punishment?
15:27 < cat5> i don't use it at the moment but it was a cool dream
15:28 < cat5> it sort of looked like CDE actually
15:28 < a1fa> i3wm+polybar here
15:29 < a1fa> now that gaps have been merged
15:29 < miah> there is a 'modern' cde have you seen it? nsCDE. https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE
15:30 < a1fa> new syspatch is out
15:30 < a1fa> Install media for alpha architecture was broken due to strip(1) bug.
15:31 < cat5> miah: looks like a labor of love
15:32 < miah> indeed
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15:36 < a1fa> is there a ENV variable I can use to force i3wm to open things with dark mode in default?
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15:37 < cat5> recommend something like lxappearance or configure ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
15:37 < cat5> for that
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15:42 < vortexx> I found CDE very unconfigurable when I was using it in uni, rapidly shifted over to afterstep 0.9
15:43 < vortexx> but some people are very nostalgic for it for some reason. The Indigo Magic desktop on SGI was a better CDE
15:44 < cat5> yeah real CDE is a nightmare to configure. I compiled it last year for fun
15:44 < cat5> but it looks nice!
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15:46 < miah> when i used to admin sun/sgi systems it was nice to have that common desktop. but ya. its very... unconfigurable. i think for a reason.
15:47 < vortexx> build by a consortium of companies and they seem to have all shoved their requirements in without anyone thinking of making it easy to configure
15:47 < vortexx> s/build/built
15:47 < Bradipo> Lately, I find I just prefer fvwm.
15:47 < Bradipo> Highly configurable if you're willing to spend some time reading the man pages.
15:48 < miah> the other sgi desktop was amazing, and i had a boss (who was a professor at harvard) who was _very into specific use cases_ on that sgi desktop (specifically the way you could zoom images in the file browser)
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15:49 < miah> i remember him being upset that the version of netscape that was available for sgi couldn't load the louis vouton website because of a flash depedency.
15:49 < miah> (our lab did imaging mass spectrometry stuff)
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15:52 < a1fa> lol netscape
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15:53 < a1fa> that thing went extinct in what.. 98?
15:53 < miah> like 2002? aol bought it out and released it for a while
15:53 < miah> then we got mozilla.org and firebird(iirc) which later became firefox
15:53 < a1fa> friggin aol is still around too
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15:55 < a1fa> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape
15:55 < cat5> when you apply to a job with an @aol.com email address 
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15:55 < a1fa> cat5: haha boomer
15:55 < a1fa> they know
15:56 < miah> or a yahoo.com address ;)
15:57 < miah> long long ago netscape used to sell all sorts of weird server software too, smtp, http, proxy
15:57 < miah> all web configurable via cool cgi magic
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15:57 < a1fa> they missed their mark
15:58 < miah> i can't remember the company that actually made that software; netscape basically rebranded it. was decent stuff, but expensive. used to sell it to clients who also ran SCO so, spending money wasn't unfamiliar to them
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16:02 < a1fa> i am digging this ungoogled-chrome
16:03 < a1fa> it must be a lot of work to stirp that shit out over time as new versions come out
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16:17 < oldlaptop> miah: https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/NaviServer
16:18 < a1fa> so now i need to figure out how to get the sound working again
16:18 < a1fa> sndioctl is wonky
16:19 < a1fa> server.device=1
16:19 < a1fa> output.level=1.000
16:19 < a1fa> yet i cant hear anything -_-
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16:20 < a1fa> sndioctl output[1].level=1 
16:20 < a1fa> output[1].level=1: invalid parameter
16:22 < cat5> sometimes a graphical sound thing like cmixer can be helpful
16:22 < miah> oldlaptop: ya thats it
16:22 < miah> ... a few decades since i thought mmuch about that stuff =)
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16:27 < a1fa> another gpu crash 
16:27 < a1fa> :(
16:27 < a1fa> ungoogled-chromium and i3wm 
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16:27 < a1fa> meta-shift-R to reload desktop caused it to go ape
16:28 < miah> this is chrome telling you that its builtin spyware is unstoppable
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16:36 < a1fa> ditched it
16:36 < a1fa> fall back to ff
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17:29 < stellarorbit> Hello, what is the proper way to use tear-free with intel xe driver. When I try doing it with the standard "intel" driver, xenodm doesn't load. 
17:31 < stellarorbit> From what I am reading, this might be an issue with 11th gen Intel cpu's. 
17:31 < stellarorbit> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1364
17:33 < ssm_> stellarorbit: the old intel driver doesn't work on modern gpus, what you want to use is modesetting
17:33 < ssm_> modesetting supports tearfree now, thankfully
17:33 < ssm_> man modesetting to see options
17:33 < uwharrie> and also https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=167575657023392&w=2
17:33 < stellarorbit> ssm_: Thanks. I am gonna look into it and come back. 
17:34 < ssm_> oh wait this is in #openbsd, our modesetting isn't new enough for tearfree yet unfortunately. still have to use picom
17:34 < Bradipo> What is "scroll tearing"?
17:34 < Bradipo> Maybe I just haven't experienced it...
17:35 < ssm_> scroll tearing is what angry zealots do to mages to disable their spellcasting
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17:35 < Bradipo> Seems like burning the scroll would be more certain.
17:38 < stellarorbit> ssm_:  I tried picom and it still has lots of tearing. The tearing mainly happens when I set scale in xfce4 to 0.7x0.7. Doesn't matter if it is picom or not, I can't get the tearing to go away
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17:43 < ssm_> stellarorbit: did you enable vsync in the config?
17:44 < ssm_> also are you using the glx or xrender backend? xrender works better for me on intel
17:45 < ssm_> if xfce has a compositor, you may have to disable it is well to get picom to work
17:45 < ssm_> s/it is/it as
17:48 < stellarorbit> I am trying the combo of vsync and xrender backend for picom now. Rebooting to try 
17:51 < stellarorbit> ssm_: I can't disable the compositor for whatever reason on xfce currently. clicking the radio button in window manager tweaks does nothing, however I think setting vsync in the modesetting xorg.conf.d file might have worked. I am not getting bad tearing anymore
17:51 < stellarorbit> nevermind. as soon as I launched another program the tearing came back
17:55 < stellarorbit> deleted my .config folder and was able to get changes to compositor back. I still get tearing when moving the firefox window around when running picom with the xrender backend
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18:02 < stellarorbit> This is so frustrating. Even video playback has screen tearing
18:05 < a1fa> hey, what's a popular microblog that runs well on openbsd?
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18:07 < a1fa> i'd prefer something that generates static content
18:08 < stellarorbit> ssm_:  weird. The window also tears with iridium, but the video playback is fine. 
18:09 < stellarorbit> is wayland a thing yet on OpenBSD? I may try sway if it is
18:11 < zwr> no
18:11 < stellarorbit> darn
18:11 < thrig> there is some random wayland stuff in ports
18:12 < thrig> maybe, in some year, it might actually be worthwhile to check out
18:12 < zwr> back when I was a Linux users I tried Wayland after major distros were picking it up and the first thing I noticed is that having caps lock on didn't make letters uppercase
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18:13 < thrig> by the time they get wayland sort of bug free they'll be off to the next great thing
18:14 < ssm_> stellarorbit: never too late to learn cwm :)
18:14 < miah> a1fa: i use hugo, but i admit, i generate my content on a linux host then upload the rendered files to my openbsd httpd
18:15 < stellarorbit> ssm_: I'm considering trying a wm on openbsd before I just end up nuking it and putting linux back on, but I don't wanna give up yet. I'll play more with it tomorrow. Fairwll
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19:26 < a1fa> miah: smart
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19:27 < a1fa> does it not run on openbsd natively?
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19:47 < miah> it might? i havent tried.
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19:52 < a1fa> worst case scenario vmm 
19:53 < fro> if only there was a way to find out for sure
19:53 < miah> right?
19:53 < a1fa> tldr
19:54 < thrig> may depend on whether hugo uses any naughty syscalls it hasn't been fixed for (on 7.5+)
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19:56 < uwharrie> https://openports.pl/search?file=&descr=static+site
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20:10 < mischief> i'm still getting SSL_ERROR_ILLEGAL_PARAMETER_ALERT from openports.pl
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20:12 < thrig> works in w3m?
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20:14 < mischief> i'm using firefox on linux. has happened on both ubuntu and gentoo.
20:15 < uwharrie> maybe hitting this? https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171253010229744&w=2
20:16 < mischief> it doesn't happen every time, only every few reloads
20:16 < mischief> i tried to repro with openssl s_client the other day when i first mentioned it, but couldn't get it to happen these
20:16 < mischief> there*
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21:58 < a1fa> uwharrie: thanks for the link
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23:16 < echelon> what package contains ktutil and other stuff needed for AD login?
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23:19 < thrig> pkglocatedb contains pkglocate
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23:26 < echelon> thrig: thanks, it was heimdal
23:26 < echelon> i'm trying to follow this https://serverfault.com/questions/20202/authenticating-openbsd-against-active-directory
23:27 < echelon> but in step 6, it says to copy the keytab to /etc/kerberoV, but the directory doesn't exist
23:28 < echelon> i'll just put it in /etc/krb5
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23:41 < echelon> in /etc/login.conf if i comment out :tc=auth-defaults:\ i will still be able to use local account if i add :auth=krb5-or-pwd:\
23:42 < echelon> nvm, read the line below it :P
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23:47 < echelon> lol, they're both failing
23:47 < echelon> fantastic
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23:50 < echelon> why are these named this way
23:50 < echelon> /usr/libexec/auth/login_-krb5-or-pwd
23:50 < echelon> /usr/local/libexec/auth/login_krb5-or-pwd
23:50 < echelon> top one is a typo?
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23:58 < echelon> well now that i installed login_krb5, i can at least login using a local account
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