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01:24 < thrig> whoops breaking less makes paging a kdump tricky
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04:57 < lockywolf> Has anyone seen the following problem: Can't install quirks-6.160->7.14: can't resolve updatedb-0p0
04:58 < lockywolf> I have just updated to 7.5
04:59 < zelest> Try another mirror. :-)
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05:03 < lockywolf> zelest: same
05:03 < lockywolf> tried a few mirrors from here: https://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html
05:04 < lockywolf> both CDN and http
05:04 < zelest> Hmms, strange.. I saw that error on one of my machines (but all that it did was causing the `pkg_add -u` to take way longer) and it went away when I switched to cdn.
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05:06 < lockywolf> pkg_delete updatedb => Can't find updatedb
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05:06 < lockywolf> pkg_info updatedb works
05:07 < zelest> pkg_add updatedb ?
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05:08 < lockywolf> Can't install updatedb-0p0 because of conflicts (quirks-6.160)
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05:08 < zelest> o_O
05:08 < zelest> remove quirks then, it should fetch it again iirc
05:10 < lockywolf> Can't install quirks-6.160->7.14: can't resolve updatedb-0p0 \n Can't install updatedb-0p0 because of conflicts (quirks-6.160)
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05:11 < lockywolf> zelest: yes, seems to work, thank you
05:11 < zelest> :-)
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15:22 < thrig> eh, do whatever you like
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15:24 < Bradipo> What are the things about vim that would convince me to use it in favor of vi? :-)
15:25 < Bradipo> I don't like syntax highlighting.
15:25 < thrig> the features they keep adding that you have to turn off, the slow startup time, the sluggish cursor motions
15:25 < Bradipo> I prefer vi's method of undo.
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17:28 < ssm_> any way to enable wasm/evil in firefox? I hate having to have ungoogled-chromium installed just so I can use zoom (for school :/)
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17:29 < zelest> wasm is enabled by default in firefox iirc.
17:29 < ssm_> interesting, zoom doesn't want to work with firefox. maybe there's some rtc weirdness I have to enable that's disabled by default
17:30 < ssm_> `you will have to disable pledge for the main process` says readme :(
17:30 < ssm_> that's just for screen sharing though, which I don't need
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17:31 < ssm_> maybe zoom is anal about that (or it's just the useragent)
17:31 < zelest> Have you enabled kern.{audio,video}.record ?
17:31 < ssm_> yes
17:32 < zelest> MOZ_ACCELERATED=1 ?
17:32 < ssm_> yup
17:32 < zelest> fiddled in about:config to disable the WebRTC stuff?
17:32 < ssm_> MOZ_ACCELERATED=1, MOZ_WEBRENDER=1, and MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1
17:32 < ssm_> nope
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17:32 < zelest> Then I'm out of ideas sadly :/
17:33 < zelest> I disabled the WebRTC stuff in about:config and Discord complains about unsupported browser for audio/video.
17:33 < ssm_> oh, it just works now
17:33 < zelest> (I don't use it anyway)
17:33 < zelest> :D
17:33 < ssm_> last time I tested was in 7.4, maybe something was broken back then
17:33 < ssm_> bye bye chromium, won't be missed
17:34 < zelest> I threw out chromium the other day as well
17:34 < Bradipo> I never had much success with Zoom and FF on OpenBSD.
17:34 < zelest> Now I can run /usr/local without wxallowed :D
17:34 < Bradipo> What I find interesting is that other services work fine.  Google Meet for example seems to have no problems.
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17:36 < ssm_> Bradipo: zoom is annoying in that you have to select "launch in app" before it'll give you the prompt to open in browser
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17:36 < ssm_> 'cancer' is a good term, but it's too generic
17:37 < ssm_> enshittified
17:37 < ssm_> corporitized
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17:52 < miah> jitsi isn't bad
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17:55 < Bradipo> I haven't tried jitsi.  Matrix seems to work alright too.
17:56 < Bradipo> Well, I suppose technically it's Element.
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17:58 < miah> matrix requires accounts though
17:58 < Bradipo> Hmm, jitsi doesn't?
17:58 < miah> its just webrtc video meetings
17:59 < Bradipo> And how is access controlled?
17:59 < miah> you _can_ require users and passwords and all that, but its not required
17:59 < miah> coworker and i used to use it for meetings all the time, and then they started using it for seattle ruby meetups. if you got the meeting link, you can join
18:10 < ssm_> I don't have a problem using jitsi, problem is other people do. It's like trying to get people to install a whole other app for xmpp for texting and they get annoyed having to juggle two separate messaging programs
18:11 < Bradipo> Do you have to install anything for jitsi?
18:11 < Bradipo> Maybe "mobile" users do...
18:11 < ssm_> jitsi itself?
18:11 < ssm_> I guess it works in a web browser
18:12 < Bradipo> Well you said "other people" have a problem with jitsi.
18:12 < Bradipo> Presumably because they have to install something.
18:12 < ssm_> people I'd want to talk to with on jitsi would be using mobile, yes
18:12 < ssm_> bad phone signal in my area
18:12 < ssm_> have a pinephone, doesn't work with VoIP
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18:23 < miah> jitsi is more for a zoom replacement / meetings, than encrypted voice chat ala signal / matrix
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19:35 < sonya> dumb question: is there a way to restrict linker to use a (specific) lib without digging Makefiles and/or other stuff?  i just failed to build seamonkey-2.49.4 with gtk2 due to -lestdc++ and -lc++abi difference and wish to restrict -lc++abi along with -lc++ and use only gcc-related ones.. thanks
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19:36 < sonya> may be some LDFLAGS or some other magic with gmake.. dunno.. and mozilla build system is not my cup of tea
19:41 < fro> does that even support gtk2 still
19:42 < sonya> i'm building old ones which (suppose and hope) are capable with gtk2 (cairo-gtk2 toolkit) 
19:43 < sonya> now all went to trash with gtk3+ and it hurts (mostly)
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20:08 < ssm_> what permissions should rc.{local,securelevel,etc} have? should they have the exec bit set, or will init(8) invoke a shell against these files regardless of if they're set executable?
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20:11 < phy1729> See /etc/mtree/special
20:11 < byteskeptical> sonya: are you using the ports build system
20:11 < phy1729> (Still no clue why that file isn't world readable when it's in the repo)
20:11 < ssm_> phy1729: that's very handy, many thanks
20:11 < ssm_> I had rc.local set 0600 for some reason, don't know why
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20:18 < kn> ssm_: your question is one grep away from answering itself
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20:22 < sonya> byteskeptical: nope.. for old (gtk2) stuff the only way, imho, is to get sources and build from scratch (./configure --here's-funny-stuff)
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20:23 < sonya> ssm_: 644 root:wheet  /etc/rc.local (here)
20:23 < sonya> wheel^
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20:27 < cjs> The BSDCan 2024 schedule is live https://indico.bsdcan.org/event/1/timetable/?layout=room#20240531.detailed
20:28 < thrig> but watch out for special m4 includes?
20:29 < Bradipo> "The State of Email"... it sucks?
20:30 < Bradipo> And not because of spam.
20:31 < Bradipo> Haha, this is a laugh: "but it's still possible to run your own mail server provided you use modern protocols and maintain acceptable behaviors"
20:31 < Bradipo> "acceptable behaviors"?
20:31 < sonya> thrig: in my case - yes
20:31 < sibiria> i think they meant "expected behavior"
20:32 < sibiria> e.g. fcrdns, spf, dkim, dmarc
20:32 < ssm_> kn sonya: I looked at the file, I wasn't being snarky
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20:32 < ssm_> the mode was set wrong according to the file (600 instead of 644) so I set it correctly
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20:38 < kn> i meant grep rc.local /etc/rc to see that it is passed to sh(1), i.e. no x bit needed
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20:40 < sonya> isn't such stuff are reported daily by 'security' (email)? here i have symlinks for /var and /usr/local and they're all reported daily
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20:44 < Bradipo> If /etc/mtree has a definition for /etc/rc.local, yes, it will be reported.
20:45 < sonya> # grep rc.local /etc/mtree/*
20:45 < sonya> /etc/mtree/special:rc.local     type=file mode=0644 uname=root gname=wheel optional
20:46 < sonya> should be reported, yes
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20:46 < Bradipo> Maybe ssm_ just doesn't get notified because his email setup doesn't exhibit "acceptable behaviors".
20:47 < sonya> or may be crontab is not adjusted to work in 'working hours'.. anyway, it's a bit rude..
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21:19 < ssm_> my mail config is default on this device
21:19 < ssm_> either way I didn't get notified about it for whatever reason
21:20 < fro> ugh
21:21 < fro> can anyone just have a talk at BSDCan
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21:21 < fro> like nobody vets the talks or the people?
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21:41 < GnarledHorn> I just had a hard freeze when moving files from a regular ol' disk onto a softraid crypto partition. What files should I check to get more details about the root cause?
21:41 < GnarledHorn> This machine lives in a datacenter two hours away, so I'm reticent to try again. The on-call staff were nice enough to trigger a reboot for me
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21:47 < GnarledHorn> https://sw.gy/softraid-crypto.html - whatever details I can find
21:49 < fro> dmesg woiuld be helpful
21:49 < GnarledHorn> does it survive the reboot?
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21:50 < fro> it should
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21:56 < GnarledHorn> ok, I updated the link above with the output of dmesg. It's from the reboot, unfortunately.
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22:23 < ssm_> sonya: I think Bradipo was here when I was flailing around my bad mail server config looking for help, and one of the things I had problems with was accidentally disabling listening on lo0
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22:24 < ssm_> so I wasn't getting any daily(8) mails
22:25 < thrig> really bad is if the mail has been broken for a while and there's millions of messages in /var/mail/root
22:25 < ssm_> I actually checked there beforehand, I think removing the 'listen on' line just resulted in smtpd rejecting the mail
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22:48 < sibiria> in my opinion those things should be using mail.local directly instead of relying on smtpd running, just to get use of aliases/forwards
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22:48 < sibiria> alas, they don't, so your smtpd config must listen on localhost, and it must have a matching action to specifically handle those
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22:50 < Bradipo> Yeah, I tend to prefer just using /usr/sbin/sendmail (which I assume is what you mean by mail.local).
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22:53 < sibiria> mail.local is an executable
22:54 < Bradipo> Hmm, never used it, but if it's an interface for injecting a message directly into the queue, bypassing SMTP protocol, sure, works for me.
22:54 < Bradipo> Ahh, looks like it's more of MDA than for injecting via mail server queue.
22:55 < sibiria> it's the straight-to-mbox tool various other wrappers may use
22:56 < Bradipo> Looks like mail.local can only be used by root.
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23:07 < sibiria> root is needed, so that it can access anyone's mailbox
23:07 < sibiria> mbox files are user:usersgroup-owned
23:07 < Bradipo> Yep.
23:08 < Bradipo> root isn't needed for /usr/sbin/sendmail.
23:08 < Bradipo> So mail.local is fine if the process is root.
23:09 < Bradipo> And root crontab qualifies.
23:09 < Bradipo> So yeah, I agree that mail.local would be preferable to requiring a functioning smtpd on port 127.0.0.0:25
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23:44 < GnarledHorn> Well, I reproduced the freeze doing a totally different operation (SHA256 sums across a set of files on the primary disk). I'm trying to determine if the CPU is a problem or the disk is dying. It's definitely hardware, not OpenBSD. 
23:44 < GnarledHorn> FOr the channel - what's a good CPU stressor I can do with stuff that's already in the base? 
23:44 < GnarledHorn> I was thinking maybe pipe a big chunk of /dev/random into sha256 ?
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23:47 < mischief> GnarledHorn: `openssl speed`
23:47 < mischief> you can run it multiple times if you want to load multiple cores.
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23:49 < GnarledHorn> mischief - thank you! Good suggestion
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