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03:09 < kn> you might also want internet or otherwise preloaded firmware on usb besides installXYY.* for fw_update
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05:50 < unpx> oldlaptop: my problem lies in fw_update
05:51 < unpx> Will do another usb stick MBR with firmware then
05:51 < unpx> My problem was disklabel silliness not recognizing a partition
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09:39 < StellarOrbit> Does anyone know if the tear-free option has been added to modesetting in the -current release?
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09:46  * IcePic plays Ozzys "No More Tears" on the audio..
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13:29 < vortexx> unpx: did you get it working?
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13:38 < GnarledHorn> I'm trying to think of a way to add an offending client address to a "badhosts" table in pf based on their request of any sort of wordpress URL from httpd. Is there a bett
13:38 < GnarledHorn> Is there a communication mechanism I can use between the two? Right now I've got a periodic cron task that greps the access logs
13:39 < GnarledHorn> Unfortunately the requests come in a rapid fire sequence that takes less than 30 seconds
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13:39 < renaud>  https://dbdemon.com/pf_and_fail2ban/
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13:39 < GnarledHorn> (eyeball emoji)
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13:39 < renaud> I haven't tried, but it seems it works
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13:42 < GnarledHorn> You know.... I could setup the wordpress patterns as a cgi script that bans the requestor
13:42 < GnarledHorn> that would give me the event-based behavior I want rather than the polling behavior I'm doing currently
13:42 < renaud> you can pipe the logs in a FIFO and examine it in real time
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13:43 < al1r4d> Hi guys, i'm thinking to create my server with openbsd on intel atom with emmc sd card
13:43 < al1r4d> Wish me luck :-)
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13:44 < thrig> break a leg?
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13:45 < sibiria> unless you're in USA. don't break a leg then. you can likely not afford to
13:46 < al1r4d> what do you mean, thrig & sibiria?
13:47 < sibiria> "good luck"
13:47 < thrig> https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/break-a-leg.html
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13:50 < al1r4d> Thank you :-)
13:50 < al1r4d> Now i understand, haha
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13:53 < Bradipo> Hmm, I'm not sure why but "break a leg" makes sense to this dweller in the U.S.A.
13:53 < vortexx> polarian: I see you're having RPi4 issues, why not try 7.1 or 7.2, since those were the last versions that worked for you, and then upgrade them one release at a time to see where it breaks?
13:54 < Bradipo> Maybe it's due to association with folks on the other side of the pond.
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13:57 < thyssentishman> is it possible to access WebDAV resources as a filesystem on openbsd somehow?
13:57 < thyssentishman> like what davfs does?
13:59 < IcePic> I seem to recall the kde and gnome file managers being able to "mount" webdav, but that might just have been on OSes that already have davfs
14:01 < vortexx> yes, gnome's Nautilus can
14:02 < vortexx> iirc there's a fuse module too, but when I tested on an openbsd box connecting to a nextcloud it didn't work very well... Super slow for one thing. But that was like 8+ years ago
14:02 < vortexx> for headless machines it's annoying to do
14:02 < renaud> thrig: there is something similar in French. It's 'bonne merde', which translated means 'good shit'. Because, where you were an actor in a theater, you would expect to have lots of people coming to see you with horse carriages. So, a lot of shit on the ground.
14:06 < renaud> IcePic: afaik, kde file manager is able to access webdav folders, but cannot really 'mount' them. I haven't tried for a long time though.
14:07 < IcePic> renaud: yes, depends on your view of "access .. somehpw" of course
14:07 < IcePic> somehow*
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14:08 < renaud> indeed
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14:11 < vortexx> Nautilus lets you access rw webdav volumes but it's invisible to the rest of the system when mounted, which is annoying. Even VLC in Gnome can't see the webdav volume mounted in Nautilus
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14:13 < vortexx> (btw Windows Explorer can do this in Windows too... At least from Win10, maybe earlier)
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14:14 < thyssentishman> I know about cadaver but I find it a bit cumbersome to use
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14:21 < vortexx> thyssentishman: and does it work for you despite being cumbersome?
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14:22 < thyssentishman> vortexx: the times I've used it yes
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14:23 < vortexx> so you do have a working solution then
14:25 < thyssentishman> vortexx: well to download or upload files yes, but I'd like something more automated
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14:27 < pardis> rclone?
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14:30 < thyssentishman> pardis: that seems to be more like what I'm looking for, thanks :)
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14:46 < stellarorbit> Is anyone else having "can't intall 'pkg' can't resolve" errors on the mirrors?
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14:49 < ssm_> stellarorbit: can you resolve any domain?
14:49 < ssm_> not counting localhost grr
14:49 < stellarorbit> yeah. I ran a dig on a website and got it's ip address
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14:51 < vortexx> stellarorbit: are you using a CDN? Try a different mirror if so
14:51 < vortexx> is this for snapshots or release?
14:51 < stellarorbit> I tried with the default mirror as well as a cdn
14:51 < thrig> dig makes its own dns queries, unlike say  getent hosts yahoo.com
14:52 < stellarorbit> vortexx: first I was on a release and had the same issue so I upgraded to a snapshot and still have the isssue
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14:54 < vortexx> stellarorbit: you may be caught in pkg update churn on the mirrors. Try again in a few hours or tomorrow I guess. And send a bug in for your issue?
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14:55 < consus> lol no atomic updates?
14:55 < stellarorbit> vortexx: ok sounds good. This was a new install for me so I don't have anything but base and x installed. I guess I'll try tomorrow. Thanks
14:55 < vortexx> yw
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14:57 < vortexx> nice, got minidlna playing off a nfs export of my nextcloud content. TV once again gets all access to content, and now setting up minidlna on the APU2s on family sites so they get it all too
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15:02 < a1fa> sndioctl can be very frustrating -_-
15:03 < a1fa> /usr/bin/sndioctl output.level=-0.01
15:03 < a1fa> output.level=0.988
15:03 < a1fa> run it again, same number
15:07 < Bradipo> You're trying to set the output.level to a negative value?
15:08 < Bradipo> Oh, does it support +/- ?
15:08 < Bradipo> Not very well documented it seems.
15:09 < phy1729> "If a decimal is prefixed by the plus (minus) sign then the given value is added to (subtracted from) the current value of the control."
15:10 < Bradipo> Yes, but then the example discusses 10%
15:10 < Bradipo> e.g. +0.1 is 10%
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15:10 < Bradipo> Where is that documented?
15:10 < phy1729> Because it goes from 0-1?
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15:10 < Bradipo> Right, I guess.
15:11 < phy1729> If you can think of a way to make it clearer, you could send a patch.
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15:13 < a1fa> not sure why its doing this
15:14 < a1fa> it works fine with other server.device
15:14 < a1fa> if i set server.device=0, the output controls work fine
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15:16 < Bradipo> phy1729: Perhaps it cannot be any more clear.  It's just that the example uses 10% but no other part of the documentation mentions "percentage".  Though, I suppose it should be obvious that .1 is 10% or .2 is 20%, but it wasn't obvious at first.
15:18 < phy1729> all output channels by .1 (or 10%) of the maximum might be clearer
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15:19 < a1fa> $ sndioctl output.level=-0.1                                                         
15:19 < a1fa> output.level=0.898
15:19 < a1fa> sndioctl output.level=-0.1 
15:19 < a1fa> output.level=0.898
15:19 < a1fa> weird 
15:20 < a1fa> so basically it will decrement by whatever, jus tonce
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15:20 < a1fa> oh.. i see whats happening
15:20 < a1fa> output.level=-0.1 does nothing 
15:21 < a1fa> the stdout only shows that it did it, but if you run sndioctl output.level it shows it as 1.0
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15:24 < a1fa> o/ solene 
15:25 < echelon> when you do a system update, do you still need to a fw_update separately?
15:25 < a1fa> sysupgrade, you mean
15:25 < echelon> yeah
15:25 < Lucas6023> sysupgrade takes care of it, and iirc the installer also does
15:25 < a1fa> no
15:25 < IcePic> I seem to recall it does
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15:25 < Lucas6023> asuming you have an internet connection during the install phase, that is (for the installer)
15:26 < a1fa> this also may be a bug
15:26 < Lucas6023> sysupgrade does it ahead of time
15:26 < echelon> how about for non-sysupgrades, do fw get updated in-between releases?
15:26 < a1fa> sndioctl -d shows output.level to be a 0/.255 value
15:26 < a1fa> 011:output[0].level=0..255 (255)
15:26 < sibiria> echelon: yes, every now and then
15:26 < a1fa> how bizzare 
15:26 < echelon> cool, thanks
15:26 < sibiria> run fw_update as part of your syspatch procedure
15:26 < a1fa> sndio really stinx 
15:26 < solene> hello a1fa :)
15:27 < a1fa> hello hello
15:27 < GnarledHorn> anyone running 7.5 on a dell r230? I'm having some wacky issues with two in a row :(
15:27 < GnarledHorn> Asking around, it seems nobody is excited about dell in the datacenter
15:27 < sibiria> about as exciting as dell laptops
15:27 < Lucas6023> a1fa: sorry, but doesn't it show `output[0].level`? you have been saying `output.level`. Are those things the same?
15:28 < GnarledHorn> I don't suspect the OS is to blame, but it's exotic to the colo staff, so they become suspicious
15:28 < a1fa> lol.. sndioctl output.mute=1 mutes the audio, but sndioctl output.mute=0 does not unmute
15:28 < a1fa> Lucas6023: yeah
15:28 < a1fa> sndioctl output[0].level=255
15:28 < a1fa> 255: expected number between 0 and 1
15:28 < a1fa> '[device]'
15:29 < Lucas6023> well, report it, with a dmesg as your audio devices might be relevant.
15:30 < a1fa> ok
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15:31 < a1fa> may be easier just to buy a new wireless headset?
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15:38 < Lucas6023> if that's easier for you than copying dmesg and the messages already sent to this chan, then yes
15:40 < a1fa> and get flamed by Theo ;)
15:40 < a1fa> no thanks
15:40 < a1fa> haha
15:40 < Lucas6023> fwiw, my X13 Gen2 doesn't show your behaviour. -0.1 and +0.1 work as expected.
15:41 < a1fa> it works fine on  integrated audio
15:41 < a1fa> https://jcs.org/2020/11/18/openbsd_btaudio
15:41 < a1fa> i may just do this
15:41 < a1fa> get me a pair of beats, and pair them with a dongle
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15:45 < GnarledHorn> that sentence... what a time to be alive
15:45 < a1fa> ;)
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16:24 < Filystyn> hello
16:24 < Filystyn> I had a rought time
16:24 < Filystyn> but I am back
16:24 < Filystyn> guys
16:24 < Filystyn> i need a hand - I have a hacky diff for kernel to fix sound on my amd mainboard driver or what ever that is
16:25 < Filystyn> And the question is is there easy way to  change the few lines of kernel source code tell it to compile it self and use it
16:25 < Filystyn> ofc i know I can't report bugs with stuff like this
16:25 < Filystyn> but honestly i have no bugs except that thingwhich is old problem anyway and finaly something happened after long time
16:27 < vortexx> Filystyn: man release tells you how to compile a kernel, and I guess you need to learn patch to patch the various files in the kernel before recompiling
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16:28 < vortexx> (you'll need src.tar.gz + sys.tar.gz decompressed in /usr/src, but that's explained in release too)
16:28 < Filystyn> come on patch diff is the easy way
16:28 < Filystyn> the thing I wanted was man release thx man
16:28 < vortexx> yw
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16:32  * sonya is extremely dumb today and need a clue how to deal with smth like this: https://clbin.com/K3FKy   .. thanks .. seems like "multiple definitions" and i can't get the idea how to fix..
16:34 < Filystyn> also woow
16:34 < Filystyn> we have 7.5
16:34 < Filystyn> I missed this
16:34 < Filystyn> lol
16:35 < zelest> :D
16:35 < thrig> if only the release schedule could be predicted
16:35 < avemestr> vortexx: I'm not sure if nfs is "safe" to expose to the interwebs without some tunnelling or something.
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16:36 < pardis> sonya: pkg_add nethack seems like the most straightforward way
16:37 < a1fa> another unhappy sndio customer
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16:37 < pardis> (assuming, from the very limited context, that build_nethack means you're building nethack)
16:38 < avemestr> GnarledHorn: As some people used to say: "You haven't been to Hell, before you've tried Dell". YMMV. All brands have duds between the good things.
16:38 < GnarledHorn> avemestr: a powerful slogan :)
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16:39 < sonya> pardis: vulture-nethack-3.4.3 it is
16:40 < thrig> when did nethack get janked up with C++ ?
16:40 < vortexx> avemestr: It all goes over wireguard tunnels, don't worry
16:40 < sonya> pardis: and i've done 3.6.6 already (bragging, yes)
16:40 < avemestr> vortexx: Nice!
16:40 < sonya> thrig: it's vulture - the succession of falcon's eye
16:41 < vortexx> avemestr: I was using wireguard (and previously openvpn) for tunnels because I monitor via zabbix agentd all those boxes. Adding nfs isn't too much extra traffic
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16:43 < avemestr> True, and probably more reliable than some fuse sshfs.
16:43 < vortexx> (also use zabbix proxy to do snmp monitoring of the printers, if they support it, which just about all of them do these days...)
16:44 < vortexx> yeah a lot better than fuse sshfs
16:44 < pardis> sonya: have you made these changes to unixconf.h? https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/games/vultures-eye/files/patch-include-unixconf.h
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16:44 < pardis> FreeBSD seems to also have yn(3), so presumably this problem must be solved there
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16:46 < GnarledHorn> I got a screenshot of the console on my frozen dell machine. The machine stopped responding to pings and froze remote sessions around 10:45 am EDT. Here's the screenshot -> https://sw.gy/files/dell-screenie.png
16:47 < GnarledHorn> My two partitions on the encrypted softraid are marked 'noauto' in fstab
16:47 < phy1729> yn is POSIX. They seem to just be lucky on other platforms that math.h didn't get included.
16:48 < GnarledHorn> sd2 is the device created by softraid0
16:49 < pardis> those messages about sd2 are normal when attaching a softraid device
16:49 < pardis> there is nothing in that screenshot likely to be related to the freeze
16:49 < GnarledHorn> pardis - that's what I feared. Understood
16:50 < GnarledHorn> I created and added that softraid device last night while the machine was up, so it makes sense. I'll hope for something in the logs
16:52 < GnarledHorn> I haven't used softraid in production, so it's one variable. 
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16:56 < GnarledHorn> nothing in /var/log/messages between rebooting last night and the reboot the on-call staff just initiated
16:56 < sonya> pardis: no.. those patches are not relevant and not related.. tried just now - the same result.. and all was fine here for 7.4 .. suspect smth clang16-related
16:57 < sonya> pardis: the case is that i can't get how to say: use hack.h
16:58 < GnarledHorn> is this odd at all? (from dmesg) "Apr 17 12:53:14 tpa2 /bsd: scsibus5 at softraid0: 256 targets"
16:58 < GnarledHorn> that's prior to using bioctl to assemble the volume
16:59 < GnarledHorn> I've got to run and take my mother to a doctor's appointment. I'll check back in late
16:59 < sonya> GnarledHorn: seems ok.. here's the same: softraid0 at root   scsibus4 at softraid0: 256 targets   (nvme)
16:59 < avemestr> GnarledHorn: What kind of threat are you protecting against by encrypting a drive in a machine placed in a datacenter?
16:59 < GnarledHorn> sonya: thank you. avemestr - regulatory requirements
17:01 < sonya> phy1729: Thanks A Lot!
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17:11 < IcePic> avemestr: perhaps being able to throw the disk in a bin when it fails without anyone being able to read pieces out of it
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17:13 < echelon> so who goes to the data center to enter the password every time there's a reboot?
17:16 < IcePic> echelon: I could imagine a box with a root fs that can boot by itself, but a second drive (with databases or important files) having to get unlocked by someone using ssh for every boot
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17:17 < sibiria> my mail server is like that. maildrop, accounts, users, domain specs, certs etc. is on encrypted file system. and, yes, i can't receive mail if the server goes offline without me noticing :)
17:18 < sibiria> though to my "defense" the server notifies me every time it has booted
17:18 < Bradipo> And as long as SMTP servers are implemented correctly per RFC and have reasonable queue lifetimes set, you'll be fine when it goes down.
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17:28 < echelon> anyone familiar with resflash can confirm if it's possible to add your own binaries to the resulting image?
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17:39 < IcePic> echelon: the resflash webpage seem to point to scripts to edit images
17:39 < IcePic> mount_resflash.sh - Mount all the partitions of a resflash .img or .fs file. This is useful for scripting configuration after a build.
17:40 < echelon> thanks
17:40 < IcePic> but the webpage also seem to have a "if you have questions email me directly" 
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17:46 < solene> avemestr: if it's a rented server, when you stop using the service, an encrypted driver prevents the next server owner to read all the files
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17:58 < GnarledHorn> This is for a secondary disk. In my use case, an unexpected reboot means the services run in a degraded mode until I SSH in and enter the PW
17:58 < GnarledHorn> re: my encryption needs from earlier
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18:03 < vortexx> if the DC is too far away, having a portmaster box is useful for entering that boot password
18:04 < vortexx> (something you can recycle an ALIX or an APUx for)
18:04 < GnarledHorn> this one is 2 hours away. It's a mom and pop datacenter (lol), so I can't get console access easily. Neat idea re: an alix or apu. I have several of those lying around
18:04 < echelon> https://pikvm.org/
18:05 < echelon> do they still make alix?
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18:06 < GnarledHorn> yeah - I bought my most recent one on August 2023
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18:09 < vortexx> echelon: no, that got EOL'd when the APU1 came out back in 2013
18:09 < vortexx> I still have an ALIX or two
18:10 < vortexx> GnarledHorn: all depends if your server has a serial port or usb serial port I guess.
18:10 < vortexx> but even the ALIX has a couple of USB ports
18:11 < vortexx> the APU6's usb serial port is such an improvement, my serial cables don't get used much and are beginning to work erratically 
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18:12 < GnarledHorn> I wonder where they dug out my old alix from... it came from pcengines 
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18:12 < GnarledHorn> if it was already 10 years EOL haha
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18:14 < pardis> you don't even need to stop using your service for this to be a concern
18:14 < pardis> if your server has a RAID-1 array, and a disk is replaced but not properly wiped, your data is lying around somewhere you don't have access to
18:15 < echelon> my apu1c has been running a fork of m0n0wall since 2015
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19:00 < a1fa> hw.sensors.ksmn0.temp0=39.88 degC (Tctl)
19:00 < a1fa> crispy
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19:06 < a1fa> vortexx: i still got alix1 running openbsd 7.4
19:06 < a1fa> soon to be updated to 7.5
19:06 < a1fa> cf cards are so expensive, otherwise i'd keep them alive for longer
19:06 < a1fa> alix1d also does poe-in
19:06 < vortexx> a1fa: what do you use it for?
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19:07 < a1fa> mmdvmhost 
19:07 < vortexx> 100Mbits doesn't do much for me anymore
19:07 < vortexx> mmdvmhost? what's that?
19:07 < a1fa> https://github.com/g4klx/MMDVMHost
19:07 < a1fa> ham radio dmr gateway
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19:08 < a1fa> it takes audio from a RF radio, and turns it into serial data
19:08 < vortexx> I've got one lying about I was going to put x86 NeXTSTEP 3.3 on, to run NetInfo services on
19:08 < vortexx> oh nice
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19:08 < a1fa> it does all the common ham radio modes, FM, C4FM, D-STAR, DMR, M17..
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20:01 < puffybuf> any other cool shell helper tools like bash-completion, fzf
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20:11 < uwharrie> puffybuf: some people like using replacements for ls, grep, find, syntax-highlight, etc in programs like exa, rg, fd, bat
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20:12 < thrig> some linux aren't very usable what with all the crap and geegaws one must turn off
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20:20 < sibiria> colored ls is alright, in my book - and in my terminal
20:21 < sibiria> though some linuces take it a bit far
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20:21 < uwharrie> gotta have that clown vomit
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20:26 < sibiria> macOS gets it just right with its four items. dirs, executables, symlinks, and everything else
20:28 < thrig> and then rsync --exclude=.DS_Store ftp.rfc-editor.org::rfcs-text-only to cleanup Apple turds on the filesystem...
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20:29 < sibiria> macOS has a few hidden settings for omitting the dir settings file in various scenarios
20:29 < sibiria> e.g. not dropping it on USB storage and such
20:29 < sibiria> but it does indeed leak out every now and then
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20:37 < GnarledHorn> The new Dell R230 just froze again. I found an old post from 2020 on the misc mailing list with someone describing the same behavior on the same model
20:37 < GnarledHorn> bummer. 
20:37 < GnarledHorn> (new meaning the replacement for the first one, not new in terms of system age)
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20:42 < unixpro1970> does openbsd 7.5 sparc64 support xrdp and xorgxrdp?
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20:52 < unpx> vortexx: not really, dunno if it is a problem of full disk encryption or something else, since bcd won't boot my openbsd gpt partition
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21:55 < vortexx> unpx: sorry to hear that
21:56 < vortexx> unpx: is your OpenBSD partition beyond the first terabyte of the drive? OpenBSD can't boot from a partition that far back, I ran into that issue a few years ago on this laptop
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22:17 < fro> https://twitter.com/ortegaalfredo/status/1774924813556977668
22:17 < thrig> a javascript application
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22:30 < echelon> so, for both of these exploits, you need to export nfs and have ipv6 enabled?
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23:07 < GnarledHorn> I blame social media and influencer cultur3
23:13 < fro> the two aren't related
23:14 < fro> one for nfs and one for ipv6
23:15 < fro> tomorrow is the talk about the nfs one
23:16 < coyote> is anyone seeing super slow speeds from the main CDN? downloading base75.tgz just took like 34 minutes for me :S
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23:29 < GnarledHorn> fro: what venue is the talk?
23:30 < uwharrie> try a specific mirror if the CDN name is aiming you at a slow one
23:31 < uwharrie> BSDCan?
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