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02:14 < quinq> 0/15
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02:21 < pardis> 5/7
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02:22 < lts> 1/1000000, kid
02:23 < quinq> Those are not equal at all, you definitely need to adjust your oscillator
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09:54 < jxbp> Hello, I'm currently trying to setup OpenBSD in a QEMU VM using libvirt and virt-manager. I already have the base system installed but I'm struggling to get the QEMU Guest Agent working. I've already installed the package for qemu-ga but it throws an error ("error opening channel '/dev/cua01': Device not configured"). In the readme accompanying the package I read how I can likely fix this issue if I were using Proxmox but that's unfortunately not the case for me.
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10:03 < vortexx> jxbp: sounds like you need to add a serial port to the vm
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10:10 < lts> I usually fix that by editing /etc/qemu/qemu-ga.conf and changing it to /dev/cua00 
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10:17 < jxbp> lts: that seems to have fixed it, thanks a lot!
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10:18 < lts> Super
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10:32 < jxbp> How can I get a higher resolution than 1280x720? While searching for this online I found that it likely has to do with the VESA driver. Looking at the Xorg log it contains an error "VESA(0): Unknown EDID version 0" and two warnings "VESA(0): Unable to estimate virtual size" as well as "VESA(0): No valid modes left. Trying less strict filter..."
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10:35 < jxbp> Do I have to tell OpenBSD to use the virtio driver over VESA? If so how would I do that, or what man pages would explain me things like this?
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10:41 < sibiria> i thought that would've just worked right off the bat if you did e.g. -device virtio-gpu-pci
10:42 < sibiria> or maybe the standard vga one
10:42 < jxbp> I'm using libvirt with virt-manager so I don't invoke QEMU manually with these flags but I selected virtio as video model :/
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10:42 < sibiria> model type "virtio" then i guess
10:43 < jxbp> One issue might be that I was on QXL (the default) when installing and changed later when Xorg complained it didn't know about QXL.
10:44 < sibiria> maybe try standard vga and give it plenty of video memory for 1920x1080
10:44 < jxbp> That doesn't sound like a good solution.
10:45 < jxbp> I'll try reinstalling with Virtio selected from the start, maybe it gets picked up at the installation then?
10:45 < sibiria> compared to... not knowing the default video memory the device has, which may be insufficient for more than 1280x720?
10:45 < oldlaptop> installation time is not special for this purpose
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10:45 < sibiria> jxbp: no
10:46 < oldlaptop> (at most you might need to turn the aperture on, see the time-capusle-named xf86(4))
10:46 < jxbp> Okay... but what then? Just using VGA seems like a hack
10:46 < sibiria> it's not windows, which "locks" to something it finds at installation
10:46 < sibiria> jxbp: what do you mean, "hack"?
10:46 < jxbp> Of course, of course but for a noob like me it would be hard find the right knob to switch to Virtio
10:46 < sibiria> are you trying to obtain gpu passthrough with acceleration support?
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10:47 < jxbp> Not really.
10:47 < sibiria> in qemu, standard vga is also an emulated device just like viogpu
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10:47 < jxbp> But didn't you mention that I would need a lot of memory for the VGA model?
10:48 < sibiria> a lot, no. but a 1920x1080 framebuffer needs about 8mb of video memory
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10:48 < sibiria> so give it more than that and see what happens
10:48 < sibiria> give it 16 or 32 mb
10:48 < jxbp> I honestly don't know much about the differences between the video models offered by QEMU. I just assumed that there was a reason virtio was invented over VGA.
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10:49 < jxbp> Wow, with VGA it just works. That's good I guess.
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10:50 < sibiria> viogpu is *possibly* faster in terms of basic framebuffer updates. though i don't know
10:51 < jxbp> Is it possible to run something like GNOME or KDE on OpenBSD (in a VM like this)? While troubleshooting my issues online I saw someone mention it required 3d acceleration.
10:51 < sibiria> yes, gnome and kde are available on openbsd. you don't need 3d acceleration for it
10:51 < jxbp> Then I'll try that. Thanks.
10:52  * oldlaptop loosely thought gnome needed working 3D as a practical matter these days
10:52 < oldlaptop> (kwin still will run without the compsitor at all)
10:53 < sibiria> it's been a while since i ran gnome in an openbsd vm so my info could be out of date
10:53 < oldlaptop> "KDE" meaning the plasma desktop and all that is still a bit tricky (fairly recently re-added in ports, having gone away way back when kde5 replaced kde4)
10:53 < jxbp> Would 3D acceleration work on real hardware with OpenBSD? Maybe not with NVIDIA but Intel or AMD graphics cards?
10:53 < sibiria> the few times i go near openbsd desktop use these days is with xfce
10:54 < uwharrie> depends on the GPU
10:54 < oldlaptop> Yes, that should work out of the box after fw_update for most Intel and radeon hardware
10:54 < sibiria> jxbp: most of intel/amd will have basic acceleration support, yes
10:54 < oldlaptop> generally the exceptions will be very recent stuff
10:54 < jxbp> That's nice to hear. I was not sure how out-dated some of the information online is.
10:54 < oldlaptop> (some intel atoms have PowerVR GPUs instead of intel ones, AIUI those still don't work)
10:55 < sibiria> and don't forget fw_update as oldlaptop says, once you have the hardware connected and booted. openbsd prefers to see the hardware before fw_update reels in the right firmware
10:55 < uwharrie> depends on where online. some random blog or forum? typically outdated
10:56 < oldlaptop> genrally fw_update will get taken care of automatically if there's an Internet connection on installation/first boot
10:57 < jxbp> Other than afterboot(8) what else should I for starters?
10:57 < oldlaptop> Also as a general matter: trying to get 3D stuff working in conjunction with VMs is such a pain that I'd not do so without a more specific, compelling reason than "trying out a new OS"
10:57 < oldlaptop> The FAQ would be a good start.
10:57 < sibiria> once you're booted with network connectivity and everything else connected, it's a good idea to run syspatch and fw_update again, just to make sure you have everything
10:58 < jxbp> "Trying out a new OS" is my reason currently :)
10:58 < sibiria> if you have connectivity on first boot, openbsd will do it for oyu
10:58 < oldlaptop> More things than you might think (coming from linux land) have manual pages, notably basically all device drivers (generally the device name in dmesg will get you the driver/manpage)
10:58 < jxbp> oldlaptop: Thanks, I will have a look!
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13:56 < vortexx> polarian: any luck with upgrading from older versions of OpenBSD on your RPi4?
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14:00 < quinq> /15/15
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14:03 < Lucas6023> quinq: that client / user needs some attention 6^
14:03 < Lucas6023> ^^
14:04 < cat5> I'm trying to use this program from ports "shotcut" to edit a very short video ( 30 second video file, file size about 15mb). Crashes like crazy when trying to perform operations. Maybe giving it more resources in login.confg would be a good idea? what peramters should I try adding?
14:05 < quinq> Lucas6023, typoed :)
14:05 < cat5> s/login.confg/\/etc/login.conf
14:06 < thrig> some ports also aren't good about checking their malloc calls for errors
14:08 < cat5> hmm.
14:09 < thrig> ... but if you increase the limits maybe those bugs aren't hit as often
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14:10 < cat5> is this :datasize-max
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14:11 < cat5> or :openfiles=
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14:12 < thrig> either, both, or instead the stack
14:12 < vortexx> also increase staff limits in login.conf
14:13 < cat5> ok will test. yeah, I have staff bumped up and i'm in staff as a login group
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14:28 < GnarledHorn> I built some software locally that has a dependency on libc.so.100.0 and the remote machine only has up to .99. My local machine is running -current, the remote is 7.5. If I assume libc doesn't have any outward dependencies, I could just copy the file over. Alternatively, I wonder if I can set some flags to the linker to tell it to reference the .99 version that is common to both systems?
14:30 < Lucas6023> isn't it an option to build in the remote?
14:31 < cat5> results: 1. i hate shotcut 2. i managed to complete the editing but without using any mouse dragging of elements on the video, instead using x y axis positioning to prevent crashes 3. im uninstalling shotcut
14:31 < GnarledHorn> Lucas6023: that's probably the best way forward. I don't have any weird build dependencies for this
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15:41 < chron> My new AP supports separate VLANs for different SSIDs. I'll try to explain how I have it but I'm trying to set it up properly the first time around. So I've got AP VLAN -> Switch tagged VLAN -> OpenBSD host1 VLAN ... this part is clear I have the same 802.1Q vlan tags on AP SSID, Switch, and on the port that they connect to on the first OpenBSD host. What isn't clear to me is does the VLAN tag
15:41 < chron> persist when I say pass it to a different interface on that host and then send it to another port on a OpenBSD host 2? Like what I guess I'm asking is how what's the proper way of dealing with this?
15:44 < Bradipo> Are you talking about layer 3 routing between 2 VLANs?
15:44 < Bradipo> Or does the interface that it's being passed to have the same VLAN tag as the interface that it came from (e.g. a bridge)?
15:48 < chron> ok so i was *thinking* that host1 running openbsd would have one interface with the vlans setup there then with proper pf, etc to pass that out on a different interface that doesn't have vlans setup and it would be coming in on host2 also running openbsd which would have that incoming interface with the same vlans setup there ... but i've never done this with openbsd 
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15:48 < chron> so i guess i'm interested in l3 traffic getting from the wifi ap to host2's proper vlans
15:49 < chron> like if that made sense not sure i've worded it correctly sorry XD
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15:50 < chron> so i guess a question is do i need to have the vlan setup on both ports on the same host?
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15:53 < Bradipo> You just said that the "different interface ... doesn't have vlans".
15:53 < Bradipo> So you wouldn't want to forward the traffic with the VLAN tag intact.
15:54 < Bradipo> But why does host2 have the same VLANs?
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15:57 < chron> sorry for the complete lack of my ability to articulate this.  all i want is this:  AP vlans -> switch ( keeping vlans intact ) -> openbsd host1 ( vlans ) ... there i suppose i can do whatever with it ... then i can have separate vlans ( different from the previous ones ) which are going out directly to openbsd host2 and matching vlans there ( the only reason i want vlans leaving host1 -> host2 )
15:57 < chron> is to separate all the different stuff going over the same cable.
15:58 < vortexx> we were talking webdav the other day... Just remembered that duplicity speaks that (and webdav over ssl, webdavs://url/remote.php/dav/files/username is the path). So now if I need to reinstall a router at a remote site, I can restore configs via webdavs without the VPN access needing to be up. Pretty cool
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16:01 < vortexx> (I'm using it on nextcloud btw, and you need to create the full subdir path and add that to webdavs:// and your username at login so webdavs://username@url/remote.php/dav/files/username/backupdir/hostbeingbackedup/subdirbeingbackedup)
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16:46 < tk> It's my first time trying to use a template with disklabel (and honestly one of the few times I've used disklabel) and disklabel -wA wd0 works fine, but disklabel -wAT/template wd0 gives: `disklabel: DIOCWDINFO: Device busy`. `/template` is a file and using disklabel -AT/template wd0 prints the expected allocation.
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16:46 < tk> I'm starting to consider just doing it by hand at this point
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16:56 < tk> I've decided to do it by hand.
16:56 < tk> Would love to hear why that didn't work but it can wait.
16:59 < phy1729> looks like the installer calls fdisk -iy or -gy first
17:00 < tk> but in this case it already had an mbr partition table, it even had a disklabel
17:00 < miah> why are you doing `-T/template` why not `-T template`?
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17:00 < phy1729> either is fine for getopt
17:01 < miah> ah
17:01 < tk> miah: I was also sticking to the man page in case there was something weird
17:01 < phy1729> already having a disklabel rules out the warning in man 5 disklabel too; weird
17:02 < miah> theres always something weird ;)
17:02 < pardis> are some of the partitions on that disk mounted?
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17:04 < tk> hmm, that's a good question
17:04 < tk> they may have well been
17:04 < pardis> I think disklabel won't let you modify a partition that's already mounted, and maybe using a template counts as modifying all of them
17:04 < pardis> (I haven't used templates much, so this is pure speculation)
17:05 < tk> to be fair, I'm now running into a completely weirder issue trying to install this openbsd in qemu. https://the-tk.com/shots/5PZGSRHI6XWJE74M.png
17:05 < pardis> why not use a virtio disk?
17:05 < tk> will it work ootb?
17:05 < pardis> yes
17:05 < tk> okay, then I will try that
17:08 < phy1729> it looks like setdisklabel in sys/kern/subr_disk.c will return EBUSY if you move or shink an open partition.
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17:11 < tk> well, that got further, but then crashed again, bloody hypervisors :(
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17:13 < Zerock> I'm trying to install python 2.7 on a fresh openbsd 7.5. I see in various mirrors that a python-2.7 package is present, but it doesn't seem to be indexed where it can be found by pkg_add. What's going on here?
17:16 < Bradipo> You have to specify the full version.
17:16 < Bradipo> pkg_add -v python-2.7.18p1
17:17 < Bradipo> Sorry, python-2.7.18p11 (I missed a 1).
17:17 < thrig> is python2 still supported for security fixes and what?
17:18 < Bradipo> Not sure about security fixes.  I know Python is "abandoning" it, sadly.
17:18 < fro> pkg_add should give you a choice if you just pkg_add python
17:18 < Zerock> Bradipo: okay, that seems to have worked. Why isn't it suggested in the list of versions like the various python3 versions are?
17:18 < Zerock> fro: indeed it should, but the 2.7 one specifically is missing from the selection
17:18 < Bradipo> Probably because Python (according to the Python website) is EOL.
17:19 < fro> oh works for me
17:19 < Bradipo> Sorry, Python 2.7 is EOL.  I still use it for some critical things though.
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17:19 < fro> first one on the list here
17:19 < Bradipo> fro: I'll have to check to see if it works for me...
17:19 < Zerock> thrig: it isn't. this is for a legacy thing and isolated to its own VM for containment
17:19 < Bradipo> For some reason I thought it wasn't working, but maybe I was mistaken.
17:21 < Zerock> fro: yeah, mine only shows 3.9, 3.10, and 3.11
17:21 < fro> weird
17:21 < Zerock> anyway, it installed with the explicit package given
17:21 < Zerock> annoying but whatever
17:23 < Bradipo> Yeah, well, there are some who think that those of us who use Python 2.7 to be annoying, because it's been "dead" for a long time.
17:23 < uwharrie> or is this a packages vs packages-stable thing?
17:23 < Zerock> I mean, I'm one of those people
17:23 < Bradipo> I can see their point.  I still use Tcl 8.4 even though it has been "unsupported" for a long time.
17:23 < Zerock> uwharrie: no, I confirmed that it's looking in packages
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17:24 < pardis> you don't have to specify a full version
17:24 < pardis> just pkg_add python%2.7
17:24 < uwharrie> I see 2.7 on current
17:25 < pardis> or even python%2 should work
17:27 < Bradipo> Interesting.  I just tried on one of my OpenBSD 7.4 systems and it does seem to work:
17:27 < Bradipo> https://pastebin.com/HR5EZ0G0
17:27 < Bradipo> So I'm not sure why sometimes it doesn't work.
17:27 < Bradipo> I'll have to pay closer attention next time.
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17:28 < pardis> maybe because 7.5 has python3 in packages-stable but not python2?
17:28 < pardis> 7.4 doesn't appear to have either
17:29 < pardis> I know pkg_info -Q stops looking at packages-stable if it finds results, maybe pkg_add does the same
17:29 < Bradipo> Well, it does seem to work with 7.4
17:29 < pardis> yes, IO
17:29 < pardis> I'd expect that to be the case
17:29 < pardis> my hypothesis is that pkg_add on 7.5 looks at packages-stable, finds python-3* and presents those options
17:30 < pardis> on 7.4, it looks at packages-stable, finds nothing, so looks at packages and finds all of them
17:30 < pardis> I'd look at the source but pkg_add's perl is hard for me to grok
17:30 < Bradipo> I see, right, so maybe that's why sometimes it works.
17:30 < Bradipo> It has been this way for a few releases, so it's entirely possible that packages-stable has received updates on older releases for python-3.
17:31 < Bradipo> Or rather, the other way around.
17:31 < oldlaptop> (whereas python2 has had no updates from upstream for years, because upstream officially proclaimed it dead years ago)
17:31 < Zerock> okay that makes sense
17:31 < Zerock> checking packages-stable first
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17:32 < tk> Okay, I changed the chipset, seems to have fixed it.
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17:38 < Posterdati> hi
17:39 < Posterdati> please help, I had a strange freeze on an old athlon 64 x 2 machine: hd light pulsating, graphics, network and keyboard freezed, no errors in logs...
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18:05 < dkeav> light pulsating?? that sounds electrical not software
18:05 < dkeav> check powersupply
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18:06 < oldlaptop> that's not an implausible description of normal disk activity
18:07 < oldlaptop> (but "check the power supply" is never a bad idea on something that old)
18:07 < oldlaptop> Supposing it's not a hardware issue of some kind, RAM exhaustion springs to mind (swap being thrashed would tally with the HDD light blinking)
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18:08 < oldlaptop> openbsd doesn't have an OOM killer to "fix" that kind of thing (unless I missed something big)
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18:44 < GnarledHorn> Do you have a numlock or capslock light on the keyboard you can try toggling?
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19:05 < GnarledHorn> wow... pastebin is ~70% content I don't care about and didn't ask for when visiting Bradipo's link above
19:05 < GnarledHorn> the actual text content is in a little rectangular slice at the lower left
19:06 < Bradipo> Hmm, is it?
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19:06 < GnarledHorn> I'll share a screenshot... one moment
19:06 < Posterdati> oldlaptop: the light is pulstating like disk acticity not power off/on
19:07 < Bradipo> I'm not sure what it looks like for you, but while there is a lot of wasted white space on the page, it's mostly text that I see.
19:07 < GnarledHorn> https://sw.gy/files/pastebin.png
19:07 < GnarledHorn> glorious
19:07 < Bradipo> I see at the top there is a pane labeled "Advertisement", but I see no such thing.
19:07 < Bradipo> You need a better ad blocking service. ;-)
19:08 < Bradipo> But yes, I should probably have used that other one that is just text, or make my own.
19:08 < GnarledHorn> not an indictment towards you, but rather the cesspool of the modern web. Sad to see
19:08 < Posterdati> oldlaptop: first time it happened the system became irresponsive in few seconds, like lag on mouse and keyboard, then same freeze
19:09 < Bradipo> GnarledHorn: Oh, I understand.
19:09 < Bradipo> It's amazing what I actually miss.
19:09 < Bradipo> When I use someone elses network/computer, I'm always blown away by how much junk they see.
19:10 < Bradipo> But, free has to be paid for somehow.
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19:13 < Posterdati> oldlaptop: I think it is fireefox-esr related
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19:22 < sonya> Posterdati: imho, mentioned freezes are more likely to indicate some issues with hardware, rather than software.. my amd kabini am3 died exactly this way: all freezed while smoked power-line capacitors said "farewell, dear friend.."
19:22 < tk> does /auto_upgrade.conf get overwritten whenever sysupgrade is ran?
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19:25 < uwharrie> looks like yes: http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/usr.sbin/sysupgrade/sysupgrade.sh?rev=1.49&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
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19:33 < Posterdati> sonya: unfortunately this is not the case
19:33 < Posterdati> sonya: never had problem with 7.4
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19:48 < tpfau> in case anyone is interested, it takes 2 days 18 hours to install zsh from ports on a DEC Alpha Personal Workstation 600 on a fresh install of OpenBSD 7.5
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19:50 < tk> is this for a museum piece?
19:50 < sibiria> i think it's more a testament of how bloated zsh is
19:50 < oldlaptop> perhaps one should consider not installing zsh from ports on a DEC Alpha Personal Workstation 600
19:51 < oldlaptop> (I guess if one wants zsh on -current there's not much choice)
19:51 < tpfau> unfortunately no packages are built for alpha anymore so it's the only choice
19:51 < sibiria> can't you emulate that thing in e.q. qemu to get things over with quicker
19:52 < oldlaptop> tpfau: not even for releases?
19:52 < tpfau> sibiria: i wish
19:52  * oldlaptop wouldn't bet on emulation being all that much faster if at all
19:52 < tpfau> someone said last time packages were built for alpha was 6.2 or 6.3
19:52 < oldlaptop> depending intensely on the hardware available, of course
19:52 < oldlaptop> Aw. :(
19:53 < tobiasu> still a more modern cpu design than that souped up 8086 :p
19:53  * oldlaptop would like to get some alpha, etc. stuff sometime, but that always seems to be a next-year project
19:53 < sibiria> goes for pretty much anything :)
19:53 < sibiria> 1970s rubbish on steroids
19:53 < oldlaptop> sibiria: In at least one notable instance, on alpha-flavored steroids
19:54 < tobiasu> oldlaptop: the time for cheap retro hw is over
19:54 < oldlaptop> :(
19:54 < tobiasu> on the plus side you can now sell your p3 600mhz for $300 on ebay
19:55 < sibiria> that crazy?
19:55 < sibiria> i have a passively cooled slot 1 p3-600
19:56 < tobiasu> depends a little on the graphics and sound hw, but yeah..
19:56 < oldlaptop> sun4v stuff still isn't that crazy, looks like
19:56 < oldlaptop> (FSVO "retro")
19:57 < tobiasu> true, you can sometimes get "modern" sun/oracle machines for cheap
19:57 < tobiasu> that is if you can afford the power...
19:58 < tobiasu> and tolerate the noise
19:58 < oldlaptop> it's not a Real Computer if the neighbors don't complain
19:58 < ssm_> sparcbook, the ultimate gaming machine
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19:59 < tobiasu> for running simcity 1 :)
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20:03 < sonya> tpfau: it took about the same time here to build more or less modern mozilla gtk2 browser for SSE2 cpu (cause pkgs had only gtk3 ones and they're pain for old hw).. 
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20:04 < sonya> tpfau: btw, why zsh? ksh93 if tcsh (static) is not the way for any reason.
20:04 < tpfau> sonya: i'm installing a few other things now and i think one of them requires gtk. not sure which version it will pull in.
20:05  * oldlaptop would think netsurf is a more attractive option than outdated firefox these days
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20:05 < oldlaptop> arguably even dillo
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20:05 < sonya> netsurf is not as good as 'links -g'
20:05 < sonya> dillo even worse
20:05 < tpfau> i use zsh on linux. i have not had good experiences with ksh on tru64 many years ago or on linux recently.
20:06 < oldlaptop> even current seamonkey is now "old" enough that a fair few sites break
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20:06 < sonya> tpfau: ksh93 is a gem, imho
20:06 < oldlaptop> tpfau: openbsd's /bin/ksh (/bin/sh is a link to the same binary) is a pdksh derivative
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20:07 < oldlaptop> unless you want the advanced scripting or completion features you're liable to find it's fine as an interactive shell
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20:07 < oldlaptop> ("mksh" in some linux package repositories is a fork of openbsd's ksh)
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20:08 < tpfau> we have a service account on the linux machines at work that's setup with ksh as the shell. i don't know why but if i log into two different machines they seem to be setup totally different. line editing doesn't work the same. it's easier to 'exec bash' than figure out what all has to get changed to make it work as expected
20:09 < tpfau> i've been using ksh on this system while waiting for zsh to install and it hasn't been a problem.
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20:13 < sibiria> i'm happy with ksh, but would love some of bash's variable-wrangling stuff
20:13 < sibiria> array trickery and all of the string match/replace functions
20:13 < sibiria> ksh scripting gets a bit long in the tooth at times
20:13 < sonya> tpfau: thanks.  sibiria - hello, ksh93 is just for you :)
20:15 < GnarledHorn> I don't find myself doing anything exotic with shell scripting. I forced myself to switch to ksh for everything since it's always there and I haven't encountered any missing features. 
20:15 < GnarledHorn> personally, I tend to reach for awk or grep if I'm doing any string manipulation. The syntax never stuck in my memory when I did that with bash in the past
20:16 < GnarledHorn> I guess something like taking a bunch of pngs and generating jpgs or thumbnails with derivative names... sounds like something I'd give up trying to do in the shell, haha
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20:19 < thrig> bash's function passing via the environment ... whoops, shellshock
20:19 < sonya> if you're using arrays, or wish to have proper multiline edit, or simple history matching (with Ctrl+R) - here comes ksh93
20:20 < tpfau> i don't do much fancy shell scripting, either. i use perl if i have to do any heavy lifting.
20:21 < tpfau> i'll have to give it a try. how many days does it take to install onto a pws600? :)
20:22 < sonya> perl is a great tool, until you need to combine several utilities for co-op work
20:23 < sonya> tpfau: a couple of hours i guess
20:23 < thrig> eh? I'd use perl over a shell script most any day
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20:23 < sonya> thrig: then your perl-fu is much better than mine :)
20:24 < thrig> e.g. when the shell script gets longer than about 20 lines, or has tricky and horribly slow things like while loops
20:25 < tpfau> i started looking into perl soon after i started playing with linux which was back in '92. i've written some pretty large programs in perl
20:25 < sibiria> i alter between *sh and perl for these things, depending on how kludgy it gets in ksh
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20:45 < armin> thrig: a while loop in a shell script isn't slow.
20:46 < armin> I love Perl, no question, but I also love BASH/ZSH. :)
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20:50 < solene> hello
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20:55 < dfdx> solene: hi :)
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20:57 < sibiria> howdy, solene 
20:57 < sibiria> welcome to the "online"
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20:59 < mischief> solene: do you still use ipfs?
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22:01 < solene> mischief: no, it was too inefficient, I hope it get better one day
22:02 < pony> henlo
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22:14 < ssm_> any uwuers uwu
22:15 < sibiria> :3
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23:21 < penne_> uwu
23:22 < penne_> nya~
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23:23 < polarian> vortexx: I have been busy finishing off university work... haven't had a chance to try, I will likely try tomorrow evening
23:24 < vortexx> ok
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23:26 < mischief> solene: ah.. hm. i'm running it now but sometimes the number of peer connections overwhelms my router. i wondered if you figured out a way to help that.
23:27 < mischief> sometimes i get over 20000 states in pf
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23:52 < StellarOrbit> Hey I have a question. When I run zzz on my computer to put it to suspend, it works, but when I press the power button to wake it up, it shuts the computer down. How do I change that? I am not sure if my message posted
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