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00:19 < vortexx> StellarOrbit: did you try pressing some other key, like the spacebar, to wake up instead of the power button?
00:20 < StellarOrbit> vortexx yeah, I tried pressing keys on my keyboard and it didn't do anything. 
00:20 < vortexx> ok
00:20 < vortexx> better post to misc@ about it
00:21 < StellarOrbit> ok thanks
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00:31 < StellarOrbit> vortexx I found a solution for me. I set machdep.pwraction to 0 and that works fine for me. 
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01:28 < a1fa> ubuntu.. the new windows
01:28 < a1fa> grrrrr
01:31 < a1fa> i forgot.. whats the link to download firmware manually?
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01:31 < a1fa> firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/?
01:33 < vortexx> something like that
01:35 < vortexx> http://firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/7.5/
01:39 < a1fa> yep got it loaded
01:39 < a1fa> another box getting stripped of ubuntu
01:40 < SOLARIS_s> nice
01:40 < a1fa> so friggin mad
01:40 < a1fa> -_-
01:40 < a1fa> SOLARIS_s: the latest batch of updats on KDE NEON (ubuntu) broke the lock screen
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01:43 < a1fa> now i need to figure out why this wifi is slow on this openbsd box
01:44 < a1fa>         media: IEEE802.11 autoselect (HT-MCS4 mode 11n)
01:44 < a1fa> thn0: AR9271 
01:44 < ssm_> wifi is always weirdly slow for me on openbsd, even with 11ac
01:44 < ssm_> tried several different drivers and interfaces
01:45 < ssm_> figure it's just not using some capability
01:46 < a1fa> unfortunatley i dont have ethernet near it
01:46 < a1fa> going to try driving FT-991A with it
01:46 < a1fa> FT8/JS8CALL/FSQ
01:46 < a1fa> see if that works
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02:06 < a1fa> wwwwww the g mode works faster than n
02:07 < SOLARIS_s> yup
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02:13 < ssm_> speedtest-cli gives me 107.77 Mbit/s down, 40.67 Mbit/s up; better than usual
02:13 < a1fa> thats great
02:13 < ssm_> you're great :)
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02:14 < a1fa> no you are! :0
02:14 < a1fa> <3 
02:15 < SOLARIS_s> HEHE
02:15 < a1fa> the moment you regert doing pkg_add konsole
02:15 < a1fa> -_-
02:15 < SOLARIS_s> all you
02:15 < a1fa> YOU <#3
02:16  * a1fa needs to just love cwm and xterm
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02:16 < a1fa> life would be so much easier ;)
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02:38 < a1fa> so i need to figure out what com port my radio is on
02:38 < a1fa> its on a usb-serial link
02:38 < a1fa> uslcom0 at uhub7 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "Silicon Labs CP2105 Dual USB to UART Bridge Controller" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 9
02:38 < a1fa> uslcom1 at uhub7 port 1 configuration 1 interface 1 "Silicon Labs CP2105 Dual USB to UART Bridge Controller" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 9
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02:41 < a1fa> cua00 and cua01?
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03:00 < SOLARIS_s> you running -current
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03:01 < a1fa> -stable
03:02 < SOLARIS_s> wtf you doing ham?
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03:03 < a1fa> yeah
03:03 < SOLARIS_s> lol
03:03 < a1fa> -_-
03:04 < SOLARIS_s> ok
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03:05 < a1fa> trying to get fldigi working, but it's not initializing the rig
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03:07 < SOLARIS_s> i'm not getting involved period
03:09 < a1fa> ;) run Forest
03:10 < a1fa> hey, i'll be happy if i can talk to this radio via minicom
03:10 < a1fa> but i dont think thats in the cards either
03:10 < SOLARIS_s> why
03:10 < a1fa> no idea
03:11 < SOLARIS_s> shoot a ping too 9 plus 1 
03:11 < a1fa> ?
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06:30 < tercaL> Having a dedicated server that I manage via SSH, and no KVM/IPMI or console access at all. Is it possible to have full-disk encryption in my case and somehow inject the passphrase whenever I reboot the server remotely?
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08:12 < solene> tercaL: no, but you could have an encrypted partition instead of full disk encryption
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08:34 < zelest> *yawns*
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08:41 < tercaL> solene: That's good idea, any sample to read?
08:42 < Lucas6023> the FDE section in the FAQ
08:42 < Lucas6023> if you pay attention, it's FDE bc the RAID partition occupies the whole disk
08:43 < Lucas6023> if it doesn't, then it isn't FDE
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08:49 < solene> tercaL: you could just have an extra partition and format it with bioctl, it can work for /home but make sure you can ssh when /home is locked
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09:25 < solene> TIL about portroach-cli :o
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11:57 < P-NuT> Hi all. How does one become a freebsd developer? What is required and or needed?
11:58 < avemestr> Probably a great question in #freebsd.
11:58 < sibiria> you should probably take it up in #freebsd and not here in #openbsd
11:59 < sibiria> but
11:59 < sibiria> be prepared that it's a bit of a trial fire to pass through, what with the Free Elders and required lineage
11:59 < sibiria> and all the DNA testing on top
11:59 < sibiria> not just anyone can walk in and have a seat at the round table
12:00 < P-NuT> Oh damn, sorry. I meant openBSD.
12:00 < P-NuT> It's been a busy day
12:00 < vortexx> submit patches is the only path
12:00 < vortexx> once you prove your worth you might be asked to join
12:01 < sibiria> oh. totally different matter then. basically a short sing'n'dance act you need to pass, and a 48h survival/fitness test somewhere in the canadian outback
12:01 < P-NuT> Ok, so take a look at the code and submit a patch that might be worth it or fix something that is broken then
12:01 < pony> haha
12:01 < pony> final round: race a moose
12:01 < avemestr> solene has a nice write-up here: https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-05-03-contributing-to-openbsd.html
12:02 < P-NuT> Oh that's actually quiet helpful, thanks.
12:02 < sibiria> final final round: survive a scolding from Theo after criticizing something in openbsd
12:03 < P-NuT> I'm fine with that
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12:03 < P-NuT> Is it all mostly c and c++? Not rust?
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12:03 < sibiria> mostly c
12:03 < P-NuT> Ok perfect, thanks.
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12:04 < P-NuT> Lastly, IKEv2. I use strongswan for everything atm, but I like the simplicity of iked.
12:05 < P-NuT> Has there been any kind of security comparison between the 2? Is there any benefit of using iked over strongswan?
12:06 < sonya> P-NuT: $ pkg_info strongswan  could give you some answars i guess
12:07 < sonya> answers^
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12:11 < P-NuT> Thanks, I'll check it out
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12:51 < skdnn> where the libcompiler_rt.a file should be installed?
12:53 < Posterdati> hi\
12:54 < Posterdati> please help, how can I install /usr/X11R6/README ??? Thanks!
12:54 < Posterdati> xscreensaver-text complains about that file
12:56 < vortexx> Posterdati: it doesn't seem to be provided on OpenBSD. Try just doing touch /usr/X11R6/README and see if that removes the complaint
12:56 < vortexx> skdnn: it's in /usr/lib for me
12:57 < oldlaptop> Posterdati: IIRC that's configurable.
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12:57 < oldlaptop> Presumably a patch to the patch in the port would be welcome
12:57 < oldlaptop> (i.e. you can configure which file xscreensaver reads text from, or tell it to use fortune(6) or something)
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13:12 < IcePic> skdnn50: /usr/lib/libcompiler_rt.a
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13:22 < skdnn50> found it
13:22 < skdnn50> the ports system of openbsd is so obnoxious
13:25 < Lucas6023> skdnn50: pkglocate libcompiler_rt.a
13:25 < Lucas6023> which reports base75 aka not a port
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13:30 < vortexx> skdnn50: also /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb && locate libcompiler_rt.a
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14:41 < skdnn50> found it in base set
14:41 < skdnn50> compiling ports on freebsd is pleasure, while on openbsd it's pita
14:44 < phy1729> Why are you using ports?
14:47 < sibiria> how is it a pita? generally you just enter the port's directory and "make install"
14:48 < sibiria> and use packages instead, unless you absolutely have to tweak something in a port
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15:04 < skdnn50> because I changed makefile; manually mind you, because the options mechanism isn't in openbsd
15:04 < vortexx> skdnn50: you might want to learn to use dpb, the ports builder in OpenBSD. Saves a lot of frustration if you really have to build your own ports
15:05 < vortexx> it'll handle all the dependencies
15:06 < skdnn50> also for some unknown reason I have to have a port tree INCLUDING EVERY .SO DEPENDENCY just to complete the building
15:07 < avemestr> What are you building?
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15:10 < sibiria> an empire
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15:15 < avemestr> Probably not a great one but a .so .so empire!
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15:17 < skdnn50> freebsd manages to check for installed packages without bothering the port tree
15:18 < avemestr> Like pkg_info..?
15:19 < skdnn50> no
15:21 < vortexx> skdnn50: echo FETCH_PACKAGES=YES >/etc/mk.conf should help with fetching packages instead of building every dependency... Or at least it used to. It doesn't seem to be in the manpage anymore
15:22 < skdnn50> the packages are installed but the build script doesn't see them unless they have a makefile in the port tree
15:22 < vortexx> skdnn50: or you could install the package of the port you want, so it loads up all the dependencies, then just pkg_delete the one package and replace it with your port
15:22 < skdnn50> it is some postinstall script to be precise
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15:24 < IcePic> I think reading up a bit on the ports/packages FAQ might clear some things up, seems like there is a lot of confusion going on
15:24 < IcePic> probably for no good reason too
15:24 < skdnn50> there is no confusion, but the ton of inconvenience and manual labor
15:25 < skdnn50> also I had a feeling I did that in the past life, so probably I tried openbsd several years ago and ran into the same issues
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15:27 < vortexx> maybe man bsd.port.mk would be of use too
15:28 < vortexx> man ports as well
15:28 < skdnn50> in total, there are 132 MB of files in my port directory, minus distfiles
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15:50 < vortexx> skdnn50: when you say the options aren't in OpenBSD for the Makefile, do you mean it lacks a FLAVOR option? That's how you usually do options on OpenBSD ports
15:50 < vortexx> it would probably help if you just posted the Makefile to a pastebin
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16:12 < skdnn50> options are better than flavors
16:12 < vortexx> more notes as I move from failed duplicity sftp backup via /etc/daily.local to duplicity webdav still via daily.local : FTP_PASSWORD can be passed in the script to duplicity so you don't have the password in clear in top
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16:14 < vortexx> (sftp doesn't work because despite having the key in authorized_keys on the backup server and the connection having been made before so it's in known_hosts, duplicity ignores that and wants you to accept the server key, which can't be done in script mode)
16:18 < sibiria> sounds like you need to tell it *which* key
16:19 < sibiria> it may also be looking in a different known_hosts file
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16:26 < vortexx> sibiria: yeah probably, but at this stage it's just easier to webdav. Webdav can access the server behind the firewall, which boxes outside the lan can't do over ssh unless they connect via vpn, and for disaster recovery/reinstallation webdav is what's needed
16:26 < vortexx> I spent too much time banging my head over getting it working from daily.local ... works fine when invoked manually
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16:53 < Posterdati> oldlaptop: where is fortune installed?
16:53 < oldlaptop> /usr/games
16:55 < Posterdati> ls /usr/ga,es
16:55 < Posterdati> seems to not be there
16:56 < Posterdati> ah ok
16:56 < Posterdati> found it
16:56 < Posterdati> thanks
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17:22 < a1fa> o/
17:22 < a1fa> privet!
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17:33  * sonya is stuck again.. build vte-0.28.2 for gtk2 geany with all plugins.. now stuck how to tell tmux+vte to show 256 colors.. tried all values for TERM -  still have 8 colors.. without tmux vte set TERM=xterm and display 256 colors.. err..
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17:34 < sonya> moreover.. vte show transparent bg with tmux and without..
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17:35 < tpfau> sonya: have you tried TERM=xterm-256color
17:36 < ssm_> tpfau: I think xterm has a class that lets you set 256 color by default
17:36 < sonya> i tried all.. but will do it again, thanks
17:36 < sonya> no
17:36 < sonya> i just cycle all terminfo to sample colors output
17:36 < ssm_> color255
17:37 < ssm_> oh that's just for specifying the colors, not enabling it
17:37 < ssm_> maybe directColor does it?
17:38 < sonya> $ fd /usr/share/terminfo -type f -iname "*256*" 
17:38 < sonya> ^
17:38 < sonya> but i cycle through all possible values
17:38 < sonya> nope
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17:48 < sonya> test case, if someone is interested: $ for a in `find /usr/share/terminfo -type f` ; do export TERM=$(basename "$a") ; ~/bin/256colors.pl   ; done
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17:56 < tpfau> sonya: 256colors.pl just writes ansi escape sequences. it doesn't use termcap/terminfo so it doesn't care what TERM is set to.
17:56 < tpfau> unless you have a different version of 256colors.pl
17:59 < sonya> tpfau: it shows 256 colors when executed in 'pure' vte, but when i run screen/tmux in vte - i got only 8 colors with all possible TERM values
18:00 < sonya> i also tried escape sequences direct patterns - the same result, 8 colors in tmux/screen
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18:02 < tpfau> maybe you need to tell screen/tmux what TERM to use. the perl script doesn't care.
18:04 < sonya> tpfau: imho, as example for tmux, set -g default-terminal "tmux-256color" is the same as export TERM.. in other words, i'll be happy if there's other ways to tell tmux to give/restore 256 colors option
18:04 < sonya> the same for screen
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18:07 < ssm_> I have tmux aliased to tmux -2
18:07 < ssm_> and `set -g default-terminal "screen-256color"` in .tmux.conf
18:17 < ssm_> shame the latest yt-dlp patch didn't make it into 7.5; lot of "bugs" (shitty proprietary api breakage) without it
18:17 < ssm_> easy enough to backport though
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18:24 < sonya> pip3 install --user yt-dlp  .. or smth like that..
18:24 < sonya> and add ~/.local/bin to PATH
18:25 < ssm_> if I had a choice between using pip and backporting from -current, I'm picking the latter with my skillset
18:25 < ssm_> using pip also could have bad security implications
18:25  * zelest only use it for youtube and soundcloud with mpv
18:25 < ssm_> not to mention it's annoying to manage 2 package managers
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19:08 < welcome> I am getting "Words not parenthesized" in a csh command foreach 
19:09 < welcome> I looked for half an hour on the web for a pointer but cannot find anything conclusive
19:09 < welcome> HELO everyone
19:10 < welcome> the commandline is:
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19:11 < welcome> foreach i (welcomemgt) echo $i end
19:11 < welcome> welcomemgt is a list of binaries in the current user home directory
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19:15 < avemestr> You're using csh instead of ksh?
19:15 < welcome> aye, sir
19:16 < welcome> I need foreach in this application
19:16 < welcome> the one implemented in csh
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20:53 < welcome> pssst
20:53 < welcome> I gave up
20:53 < welcome> I'm writing a c code to do the thing for me
20:53 < welcome> heh 
20:54 < eea> one could use a bulldozer to clear weeds 
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21:04 < sonya> welcome: you're wrong at synthaxis
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21:04 < sonya> foreach i (wordlist)  - 1st line
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21:04 < sonya> echo $i  - 2nd line
21:05 < sonya> end - 3rd line
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21:06 < sonya> welcome: and consider tcsh if you ever need csh style
21:08 < sonya> syntax, sorry
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22:09 < skdnn> how can I reinstall the installed port? make install doesn't do anything
22:09 < skdnn> same for make package
22:09 < zelest> make reinstall?
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22:11 < Lucas6023> skdnn: why you want to reinstall?
22:12 < Lucas6023> also, as zelest said, "make reinstall" will take care of it. Mind you, it does exactly a pkg_delete followed by a pkg_add.
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22:13 < skdnn> that is unacceptable as it wants to remove the dependencies
22:14 < skdnn> I rebuilt it with different options
22:14 < skdnn> also why openbsd doesn't use staging?
22:15 < thrig> macbeth is considered unlucky
22:17 < ssm_> what is this "staging" you speak of
22:18 < Lucas6023> skdnn: the problem in that case is that you didn't follow the right practices. If you change anything in the Makefile, bump the REVISION.
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22:23 < skdnn> I mean why `make package` insralls stuff in the filesystem instead of a stage dir?
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22:24 < Lucas6023> what is a "stage dir"
22:24 < Lucas6023> and how is it different from /usr/ports/pobj/$port/fake-$(uname -m)?
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22:25 < Lucas6023> (also, "make package" doesn't does that. "make fake" is the only actually installing to the fake dir.)
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22:46 < eea>  /8
22:46 < eea> oops
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22:51 < ssm_> skdnn: from bsd.port.mk(5): `fake    Do a fake port installation, that is, simulate the port installation into the staging area ${WRKINST}`. It even uses your staging terminology
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23:20 < aaronm04> 420
23:20 < aaronm04> Oops, wrong channel
23:21 < pony> 69
23:21 < pony> damn, wrong channel
23:22 < vortexx> 1488
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23:22 < vortexx> damn, wrong channel
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23:35 < GnarledHorn> 1492
23:35 < GnarledHorn> f*** me too
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