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00:22 < a1fa> oO
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00:24 < a1fa> oopz wrong channel
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00:38 < welcome> HELO
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00:38 < vortexx> welcome: did you catch what sonya said about your script?
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01:07 < welcome> yes, but I tried three different shells with no perfect output from any, and I always get what I need from C, well nearly always
01:12 < vortexx> at least you didn't get suggested to do it in rust :)
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01:28 < a1fa> EHLO
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01:32 < vortexx> a1fa: illegal access has been logged and reported :P
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09:22 < orwell> Moin! Is it possible to listen on IPv4 AND IPv6 but forward only to IPv4 with relayd(8)? I seem to miss something in my config.
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09:49 < penne> afaik obsd doesn't support dual-stack sockets if that's what you're trying to use
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09:55 < orwell> It seems to work with tcp protocols but not for dns protocols... Strange
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10:12 < sibiria> it does not work with tcp either
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10:13 < sibiria> the portable way is to open one ipv4 and one ipv6 listener, on the same port
10:13 < sibiria> works on the BSDs, linux and windows
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10:15 < orwell> yeah, i meant that. But this won't work for udp.
10:15 < orwell> Neither for http, as you'll get a certificate error
10:16 < orwell> https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg169079.html
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10:35 < orwell> creating multiple relay blocks is the solution
10:35 < orwell> https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg177422.html
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12:22 < MiniontobyPI> Hey guys, I am trying to connect openbsd server to a GRE tunnel. The tunnel itself is up. When I ping from outside, I do get the icmp packets in my tcpdump, however nothing is being sent back. When disabling pf, I do see an 'icmp6: echo reply' being sent after the request came in, but it is sent directly to the original ip, so it doesn't get received, since it must go through the tunnel...
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12:34 < sonya> MiniontobyPI: routing or tell pf to snat/nat all that came in from gre to gre, so replies will go to gre..  though i don't have an examples at hand, sorry (with exact settings and net config)
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14:19 < morpho> I am writing a graphics application and want to port to OpenBSD. Is SDL2 or glfw preferable?
14:22 < sibiria> SDL2 should benefit from basic framebuffer acceleration in the cases where hardware 3D accel isn't available. otherwise it shouldn't really matter besides the size
14:22 < sibiria> sdl2 is pretty chonky these days
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14:23 < sibiria> but if your "thing" is actual opengl/egl i'd go with glfw
14:24 < sibiria> opengl/gles*
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14:31 < morpho> sibiria: i am using vulkan
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14:31 < morpho> and glfw is memory leaking for some random reason, although compilation is MUCH quicker
14:31  * sonya as a user of an old hardware, would prefer SDL1 or a kind of 'direct' opengl (Mesa).. though some equipment has only hardware Xv available..
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14:47 < sibiria> morpho: i'm unsure how well MESA's vulkan runtime works on openbsd
14:47 < sibiria> if at all
14:53 < morpho> what hardware acceleration is available?
14:54 < morpho> just OpenGL ?
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14:56 < sibiria> openbsd uses MESA and Linux DRM, and at least on the AMD side the drivers should be faily complete even for the case of Vulkan instead of opengl/gles. but i'm the wrong person to ask since i dont run openbsd on the desktop
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15:00 < ssm_> morpho sibiria: vulkan and opengl support work great, the area openbsd currently lacks in is video hardware decoding hwaccel (vaapi, vdpau)
15:00 < ssm_> there's some threads on the mailing lists that tried to incorporate vaapi some time ago, but I guess it didn't get anywhere
15:00 < sibiria> sonya said he or she managed to compile vaapi on openbsd and got it running
15:00 < sibiria> but, yes, there's no port of it in the repo
15:00 < ssm_> needs to be integrated into xenocara I believe
15:01 < tobiasu> looks like while opengl is included in the base system, you have to install vulkan headers from ports
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15:01 < ssm_> yes
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15:01 < ssm_> vulkan-headers, vulkan-loader, optionally vulkan-tools and vulkan-validation-layers
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15:10 < morpho> ssm_: is this actual GPU acceleration of a software implementation under it?
15:15 < sonya> yes, i did that (compile vaapi on openbsd and got it running) for some intel hd integrated and it runs somehow but.. since 7.2 i'm not into this kind of fun anymore
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17:41 < unpx> vortexx: I don't recall if it were you, but my OpenBSD dual boot with Windows 10 ended up making me installing rEFInd and now it works as expected without any annoying stuff. The only thing that is not documented is this great comment here:
17:41 < unpx> https://old.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/m0b7wt/help_with_installing_on_dual_boot/gq7088o/
17:41 < unpx> aka remember to get your /mnt/usr/mdec/BOOTX64.EFI file out of your OpenBSD install before rebooting, or place it already in the disk /EFI partition accordingly
17:42 < sibiria> tuck it away in /EFI/anything/ so you don't lose it
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17:49 < vortexx> unpx: yes it was me, congrats on getting it working
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17:51 < vortexx> if you *really* want to mess around, you could try getting the windows boot loader to give you a menu to boot OpenBSD's BOOTX64.EFI. I haven't attempted this, but I've done it for MBR systems once or twice.
17:51 < sonya> seems it's the same file to be available in release dir (i.e. /pub/OpenBSD/$release/amd64/) and it's present in *.img files (it boots 'em)
17:51 < vortexx> sonya: it is
17:52 < sonya> vortexx: i tried but still no luck.. it was an easy task say for WinXP to put an entry into boot.ini
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17:52 < sibiria> doesn't modern windows respect the standardized EFI application dir tree?
17:52 < sonya> but now with all this mess with (un)secure boot and..
17:52 < sibiria> meaning, /EFI/<something>/BOOTxxx.EFI
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17:53 < sibiria> the directories inside EFI/ on the ESP are "EFI applications"
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17:53 < sibiria> you shouldn't need to do anything more than put your boot loaders in appropriate dirs like that
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17:54 < sonya> sibiria: whatever current (10/11) windows supports/respects, the trick with bootloader (say from 512 to 16348 first bytes) and native win bootloader (bcdedit) is at least quite tricky task
17:56 < sonya> to get it work secureboot should be off.. and if win10/11 is activated, this lead to issues
17:56 < sonya> and it doesn't guarantee that 512 byte bootloader will work.. imho..
17:56 < vortexx> indeed it does lead to issues
17:56 < sibiria> i thought they gave their custom bootloader up with windows 10 and EFI
17:57 < sonya> they screw up all possible things
17:57 < sonya> comparing to say WinXP (the best Win ever)
17:58 < vortexx> well for one thing it's not called BOOTX64.EFI, it's something like bootmgfw.efi in /EFI/Microsoft
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17:58 < sibiria> their bootstrap is in /EFI/BOOT then
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17:59 < sibiria> (BOOT/ is the default EFI application)
17:59 < thrig> I found winxp to be about the worst OS ever
17:59 < sibiria> where one would put e.g. rEFInd
18:00 < ssm_> last good windows was NULLPOINTEREXCEPTION
18:01 < sibiria> you should be able to rename BOOT to WINDERS and then place rEFInd in BOOT/
18:01  * sonya was quite comfortable with both winxp and winxp64..
18:02 < vortexx> I thought win7 was the ultimate windows... I can reember all the gamers bypassing vista for win7
18:03 < vortexx> oh well, that's a discussion for another channel
18:03 < sibiria> windows 8.1 was great. it was win 7 but with everything fixed and improved
18:03 < sibiria> win 8 was a disaster
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18:04 < thrig> openbsd devs at least can rotate their signing keys, unlike, I don't know, microsoft exchange online
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18:07 < lw> i'm wondering about this 'NFS RCE' - did it turn out to be the usual issue of trying to export something that's not a filesystem mountpoint?  or an actual bug?
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18:08 < vortexx> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/adding-boot-entries <-- official instructions on adding entries to the Microsoft bootloader to multiboot
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18:49 < fro> lw: haven't seen any details about it
18:50 < fro> the talk happened on the 18th
18:50 < lw> fro: me neither, i thought it was meant to be out by now, but i noticed a freebsd doc commit to the exports(5) manpage to document this particular issue.  which made me wonder if that was related
18:50 < fro> but there is no video of the talk, no slides released, etc
18:50 < lw> (https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=9d975e47d5a3638d4f575b2cf97e07bf22b53c7e - the timing is interesting)
18:51 < fro> interesting
18:53 < lw> (i hope it's not this, because i was expecting a fun new vulnerability... but this one has been known for 30 years, even if it's not obvious to users)
18:53 < fro> there are a couple pictures from the talk on the conference's flickr account
18:53 < fro> but of course very little detail
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18:55 < fro> no updated CVE info
18:55 < fro> etc
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19:07 < chron> what is the proper syntax for a persistant vlan definition in /etc/hostname.vlan0 ( for example )?
19:09 < chron> assuming something like "inet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 parent em0 vnetid 5" or something like this?
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19:21 < kn> yes, although pretty sure not all ifconfig(8) bits work together in one line;  I'd split them across multiple hostname.if(5), anyway, for readability
19:21 < sibiria> chron_: <ip> <mask> parent <parent if> vnetid 2
19:21 < sibiria> or whatever vnetid you're using. avoid 1
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19:22 < sibiria> "netmask" keyword is optional, but yeah what you wrote is a working spec
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19:25 < sibiria> my vlan if is literally "10.0.0.1 255.255.255.0 parent rge1 vnetid 2", and it's parsed correctly
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19:30 < unpx> vortexx: should read bcdedit docs but don't want yet
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19:40 < vortexx> unpx: you've got a working config, I'd just try and do that in a VM if I was you, for the "fun" of it
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19:45 < unpx> Nah, this is the spare machine I'm testing before moving everything to it
19:47 < vortexx> ok
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20:11 < sonya> fro: i guess you're talking about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_JOkHaCdzk   as i'm also tried to get some additional info
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20:43 < vortexx> just another reason never to have public facing NFS I guess... And NFS is not turned on in the default config anyway. You'd have to be on the same lan I guess for this to work, so it's not too high a risk
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20:44 < fro> yeah it's not a huge concern
20:44 < fro> still lame tht there are no details
20:44 < fro> that*
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20:47 < vortexx> I wonder if just the daemons will need patching or if it requires a new kernel too
20:49 < fro> evidentally it's already patched
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20:49 < fro> evidently
20:50 < fro> or so it's implied by up to 7.4
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22:08 < polarian> 7.2 doesn't work, 7.1 doesn't work... the activity lights turn off, and on, off and on... like the phy is trying to do something but ends up doing nothing
22:08 < polarian> imma try 7.5 with filesets on a separate usb
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22:52 < vortexx> polarian: good luck
22:52 < polarian> vortexx: well it worked
22:52 < polarian> but still no phy working
22:52 < polarian> I assume RPI UEFI firmware is mandatory (despite the INSTALL.arm64 seemingly saying its optional)
22:52 < polarian> its what I used originally 
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22:53 < polarian> so I assume its lacking the chipset blob 
22:53 < polarian> I looked around, copying the firmware to BOOT should work 
22:53 < polarian> but now I am having issues with getting UART to work
22:53 < vortexx> at least it boots, but that's a lot of issues
22:55 < polarian> the thing is, when I first did this... I found it easy
22:55 < polarian> piece of cake... worked...
22:55 < polarian> 2 years later... its a headache...
22:55 < polarian> I wonder if I got lucky last time?
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23:00 < polarian> welp I bricked it
23:00 < vortexx> you probably got lucky :P
23:01 < polarian> It seems I might need to extend the default size of the boot partition... seems OpenBSD boot + RPI firmware conflict
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23:02 < sibiria> every developer on the planet hates broadcom SoCs
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23:03 < polarian> too bad I am neither smart enough to contribute, or smart enough to figure this out :P
23:05 < polarian> oo interesting question (slightly off topic), anyone going to EuroBSDCon?
23:05 < polarian> (its BSD based so it is kinda... on topic)
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23:12 < tux0r> nah
23:12 < tux0r> too many people
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23:14 < polarian> Thats the idea of events...
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23:21 < vortexx> tux0r: you're in a channel with 666 other people...
23:21 < vortexx> and no I'm not going, never been to a devcon. Too busy saving money to move homes atm
23:24 < polarian> welp I have been told that newbies to the event should avoid OpenBSD folks... couldn't tell if they were joking or not...
23:26 < thrig> they probably haven't showered in ages
23:26 < sibiria> any one of them could potentially be Theo
23:26 < sibiria> best stay safe
23:27 < vortexx> or maybe the OpenBSD people don't bother with whatever ridiculous CoC is meant to be followed, so others are afraid of them
23:28 < sibiria> taiwan is some ways to go, too. not a small/affordable trip
23:28 < sibiria> or you meant the euro one, perhaps
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23:30 < tux0r> 666 people online are still 0 other people in my room.
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23:32 < tobiasu> that you know of
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23:33 < vortexx> don't forget to look under the bed before going to sleep, maybe there's someone under there
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23:34 < polarian> vortexx: only a monster... as per usual
23:35 < vortexx> :)
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23:43 < pardis> the OpenBSD talks were the only part of EuroBSDcon I didn't hate (in 2019, the only time I've been)
23:44 < pardis> well, that's not true, McKusick was good as well
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23:45 < polarian> I am confused how to extend the boot disk label within the installation media
23:45 < pardis> and there was an interesting talk about doing something with strict bounds checking of syscalls in the compiler on FreeBSD that was okay
23:45 < pardis> so my statement was a tad exaggerated
23:46 < polarian> its offset is out of bounds and its number of sectors = 0
23:46 < polarian> yet its 16M in size?!?!
23:46 < polarian> boundstart: 65536, MSDOS partition has an offset of 32768
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23:47 < pardis> the msdos partition is not supposed to be within the OpenBSD boundaries
23:47 < polarian> oh right...
23:47 < polarian> that explains it
23:47 < polarian> oh right it is its own partition 
23:47 < polarian> so is swap
23:49 < polarian> half asleep... and not used to disk labels
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