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01:10 < fengshaun> is it possible to debug httpd's rewrite rules?
01:10 < fengshaun> is there a way to trace what request is being rewritten with which rule
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01:54 < polarian> ugh no matter what I try OpenBSD keeps resetting my attempt to move the start sector +16M so that I can extend the boot partition to fit the additional firmware
01:54 < polarian> maybe I can prune the firmware instead...
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01:59 < polarian> oh wait it doesn't need extending... when mounting the boot partition under Linux (its FAT32, shouldn't be any issues here), Linux shows it mounted as 8M when the partition is 16M
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02:03 < polarian> oh I messed up the filesystem... imma stop being verbose and go back to trail and error
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03:58 < mischief> hacker
03:58 < mischief> woops
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04:05 < byteskeptical> mischief: is that a confession?
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06:43 < neminis> just out of curiosity, do some of you use openbsd on apple silicon as a daily driver?
06:43 < Jadi> Why are we still on `utmp` while most other unixes ae on `utmpx`? (for login logs) is this only historical? or there are technical rationale?
06:45 < Jadi> neminis not as a daily driver. but I have an arm openbsd on UTM VM on top of M2 and use it a lot for development. 
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06:47 < neminis> Jadi , interesting
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06:53 < IcePic> neminis: same as Jadi, I run a few aarch64 VMs, both on the cloud and local VM on mac and they work as well as any x86_64 would
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06:54 < neminis> great
06:54 < neminis> it seems like the most practical solution
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06:56 < renaud> Jadi: what's the problem with utmp?
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10:00 < Jadi> renaud sorry for delay. regarding me asking "why openBSD uses utmp while others using utmpx", I have no opposition. Just noticed it, was reading the format details and wondering why others upgraded. May beacuse it is more "standard"? and decided to ask and see if there is a technical reason or something. 
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10:03 < IcePic> Jadi: its probably safe to assume utmp was first, and utmpx is some new version designed to solve some kind of problem, for which obsd doesn't yet think needs solving
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10:07 < Jadi> rational and close to my understanding of OpenBSD IcePic . thanks
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10:08 < Jadi> any book suggestion on OpenBSD for a professional GNU/Linux person?
10:09 < IcePic> MW Lucas has a few good BSD books, and Peter Hansteens Book of PF for firewalling are good choices
10:11 < pony> hmm, is the book of pf not too outdated?
10:11 < pony> I have a copy
10:11 < pony> maybe I should read it
10:11 < pony> I'm reading the pf part of the faq atm
10:11 < IcePic> pony: book of pf is at the third edition or something, but I still think 90% of it would still apply
10:12 < vortexx> Jadi: Absolute OpenBSD is the book by MW Lucas
10:12 < Jadi> thanks IcePic, checking the absolute BSD. I understand that we have to understand different modules and a book on everything is not that practical. I was looking for something like "OpenBSD for Moral Linux users"
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10:12 < Jadi> vortexx thanks. checking that. 
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10:13 < pony> looks like I've got 3e. copyright 2015.
10:14 < pony> yeah, I'll get absolute openbsd 3e when it comes out
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10:15 < IcePic> Jadi: I guess the differences between all linux dists (slackware -vs- gentoo -vs- nix -vs- redhat/cent -vs- debian/ubuntu) would make it many many chapters
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10:16 < CosmicDJ> pony: https://nxdomain.no/~peter/pf_asiabsdcon2024.pdf is quite new
10:16 < pony> thx!
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10:29 < vortexx> Jadi: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=127902889214172&w=2 as is often the case when wondering about "why isn't x in OpenBSD", a discussion happened over on the mailinig list tech@openbsd.org (the one the developers use)
10:29 < vortexx> it's another case of utmpx is actually not very good, so we'll stick to our native interface
10:29 < vortexx> s/utmpx/requested feature
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10:30 < vortexx> 90% of feature requests by people outside the project end up like this btw
10:30 < vortexx> if not more
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10:33 < sonya> CosmicDJ: thanks!
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10:42 < sonya> Jadi: in addition i'd recommend: Michael W. Lucas - OpenBSD Mastery Filesystems - Tilted Windmill Press (2023)
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10:58 < Jadi> sonya Thanks. will check that one too. Appreciated. 
10:59 < Jadi> vortexx thank you very much for the link and the explanation. studying it. 
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11:08 < vortexx> Jadi: you're welcome
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11:32 < anexit> Hey all, some reason munin will not copy the plugins over to /etc/munin/plugins.  When I run the script it runs but there is no content?
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11:40 < sibiria> probably, but unlikely to be an openbsd reason
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11:54 < anexit> yeah, ln -s manually works
11:54 < anexit> must be a bad script
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12:31 < polarian> Why is the filesystem on the 16M boot partition only 8M big?
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13:13 < polarian> https://bpa.st/X76Q
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13:14 < polarian> It appears Linux has no clue how to work with OpenBSD partitioning 
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13:14 < polarian> how is the start bigger than the end?!!?
13:15 < polarian> oh wait its not I am blind.
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13:17 < polarian> https://bpa.st/QDJA
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13:18 < polarian> great not implemented... I am going to need OpenBSD to do this
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13:21 < renaud> linux utils have no clue about OpenBSD fs or partitions
13:23 < polarian> ugh
13:23 < polarian> does the OpenBSD ramdisk contain fdisk?
13:24 < polarian> renaud: the boot partition is FAT... that *should* be compatible no?
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13:25 < polarian> all I need to do is drop the firmware into the boot partition, but when mounting it on Linux its only 8M in size for a 16M partition, and the firmware is too big to fit in 8M along with OpenBSD boot stuff... 16M would be enough, but it appears the filesystem is only 8M
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13:29 < sonya> polarian: i don't remember exactly, but enabling in linux kernel config ffs/ufs support (bsd4. or smth alike) allow to read OBSD partitions at least (not sure about write, never used).. and, afair, with mbr+grub it's easy to boot obsd with chainloader +1 and optional hide of other (not needed) partitions..
13:30 < polarian> sonya: I don't need ffs/ufs support...
13:30 < polarian> I am only trying to touch the FAT partition
13:30 < sonya> ok
13:30 < polarian> but for some reason its only 8M 
13:30 < renaud> do not try to write to OpenBSD ffs with linux, bad things will happen
13:31 < renaud> FAT should be manageable from both linux and OpenBSD
13:31 < renaud> If there is nothing on the partition, just repartition
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13:39 < polarian> renaud: there is stuff on the partition, and I don't have a OpenBSD device currently
13:40 < polarian> my laptop had to be sent off to routing duty while I fix this problem
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13:59 < anexit> anyone here have a good mtu set for wireguard?  Oddly enough the lower the MTU the better the performance.
13:59 < IcePic> 1420 should cover both v4 and v6
14:01 < anexit> Sorry I should mention with SMB shares
14:01 < anexit> Just seems to dog out, even scp is slow
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14:01 < anexit> NFS and HTTP are fast though
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14:04 < GnarledHorn> anexit: I apologize for the basic question, but is the performance different without wireguard?
14:04 < anexit> GIF GRE is way faster but.. not encrypted.
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14:09 < IcePic> anexit: I would place a tcpdump at each end and see what the smb traffic is up to when it doesn't work
14:09 < IcePic> since its tcp, it should route fine over wg
14:10 < anexit> might be windows 11
14:10 < anexit> looking at the performance graph it's actually going quick but the transfer display says like 315kbps
14:10 < anexit> interface is recieving at 23mbps
14:10 < anexit> wth
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14:11 < anexit> I'll leave that for the windows guy
14:11 < anexit> weird
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14:12 < thrig> fugu eye for the windows guy
14:12 < anexit> lol
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14:20 < chron> hi everyone ... just updated all my devices to 7.5 *except* one which is an i7 ... 7.4 installed fine, been running smoothly ... but boot just hangs ... ANY suggestions to figure out what's going on would be greatly appreciated 
14:21 < chron> to ellaborate install75.img hangs when booting from usb
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14:23 < chron> it's a protectli vp4670 7-10810U
14:25 < pkubaj> chron: do you run ami bios or dasharo?
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14:31 < chron> @pkubaj ami
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14:32 < chron> i had coreboot when it arrived but it was overheating so i installed ami and underclocked and it's nice and cool now
14:34 < chron> i know that i've had some issues on other devices with different usb controllers and chipset related stuff but i'm not sure what to change here
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14:36 < thrig> wait why does feh need tty in a pledge wrapper
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14:36 < sibiria> chron: is it running with secure boot enabled in the bios?
14:37 < chron> @sibiria nope and 7.4 has been running there wonderfully ... just want to upgrade
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14:40 < phy1729> thrig: I'd assume window size, but should be easy enough to ktrace
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14:42 < thrig> I reopened stdin to /dev/null before doing the pledge/unveil stuff
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14:47 < Lucas6023> polarian: are you talking about "boot partition" in OpenBSD as the UEFI partition? if so, why do you want to put a driver in there?
14:47 < Lucas6023> ehm, firmware
14:47 < Lucas6023> I haven't been following the discussion, so sorry if you already explained it
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15:00 < thyssentishman> is there a predefined variable for pf.conf to reference the current gateway?
15:00 < Bradipo> What is "the current gateway"?
15:01 < Bradipo> You mean the contents of /etc/mygate ?
15:01 < thyssentishman> Bradipo: actually I mean the dns server
15:01 < Bradipo> You can put the IP address of the DNS server in a variable (aka macro).
15:01 < Bradipo> Or a table.
15:02 < Bradipo> Or if the DNS server changes, you could use a persistent table and update that table dynamically if/when it changes using pfctl.
15:02 < thyssentishman> Bradipo: so it has to be hardcoded? there is no way to say, use the nameserver currently used?
15:02 < Bradipo> pf has no knowledge f "nameserver currently used".
15:03 < thyssentishman> Bradipo: understood, thank you
15:04 < thyssentishman> Bradipo: and I suppose I cannot use the contents of a file? e.g. resolv.conf?
15:05 < thrig> ... probably can remove these "new in OpenBSD 6.4" comments on this old unveil code
15:10 < avemestr> thyssentishman: Read about tables in "man pf.conf".
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15:25 < polarian> Lucas6023: RPI UEFI firmware, it should boot itself and that should handle over to OpenBSD... you can do this by having the firmware on the SD card and then OpenBSD on external storage, I used this for 2 years but the adapter died and my install was ruined. Putting them side by side on the same storage should work better... 
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18:21 < Seven7Up> hi everybody. i was getting openbsd's source code for the base system. unfortunatly, i'm stuck with cvs; it fails with `Connection timed out`
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18:22 < thrig> get a tarball and then update that
18:23 < Seven7Up> i tryied 3 servers now, still getting the same error. any advice or update?
18:23 < Seven7Up> thrig: is anoncvs broken?
18:24 < thrig> who knows. what I did was to get the src.tar.gz and then cvs up against that
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18:25 < Seven7Up> thrig: actually, `ssh anoncvs@anoncvs.fr.openbsd.org cvs -v` is working just fine
18:25 < Seven7Up> is either the compiled version i'm using of cvs or something else
18:28 < Seven7Up> which it's wrong*
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18:29 < pardis> are you running cvs on a non-OpenBSD system?
18:30 < Seven7Up> pardis: i felt that is the problem even i couldn't proof it why; i'm using archlinux right now
18:31 < pardis> OpenBSD's cvs is patched to default to ssh instead of rsh by default (as has been the sane default for about 25 years)
18:31 < pardis> if you're using another OS you need to export CVS_RSH=ssh
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18:32 < Seven7Up> pardis: i got it, that what i was searching for. thank you so much
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18:32 < pardis> no worries
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18:36 < oldlaptop> (starting from a tarball is still a good idea simply for saving time, although it's still only really the difference between slow and sloooooow)
18:37 < pardis> I wonder which will take longer, checking out src from scratch over cvs or waiting for GNU to switch to ssh by default
18:38 < Seven7Up> oldlaptop: got it
18:38  * oldlaptop doesn't know enough about surviving cvs around the world - how many projects still using cvs are still not using rsh?
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18:39 < oldlaptop> for openbsd defaulting to the sane protocol is obviously sane because the most important use of openbsd's cvs is openbsd's cvs
18:39 < Seven7Up> pardis: haha, btw it's my first time even hearing about rsh
18:39 < thrig> maybe someone who uses ipsec and therefore feels that the network is safe
18:39 < thrig> hmm, still have an RSYNC_RSH in my env, that's been there for decades now
18:41 < oldlaptop> https://www.openbsd.org/images/tshirt-9b.jpg
18:43 < thrig> ... and yet users go on running VNC without encryption on random ports ...
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18:54 < pardis> and the parody: http://9front.org/img/maritimeengineeringstandards.back.png
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19:05 < Bradipo> I don't know, that URL doesn't have HTTPS on it, people tell me that's bad.
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19:08 < iio7> I have a softraid set up with two spinning disks in a mirror. Wanted to swap with SSD. So I first replaced one disk, initialized it with "fdisk -iy", then cloned the partition layout from the other onto this new one with "disklabel" and finally swapped it in the softraid. The softraid was rebuild and all running well.
19:09 < iio7> Then I get to the other disk I want to swap, but when I unplug the spinning disk and try to boot from the new SSD alone, I get "Boot error".
19:10 < iio7> I can boot from a single spinning drive, but not from the new SSD which is a clone of the spinning drive.
19:10 < iio7> I have checked with fdisk -v that the partition is indeed set as bootable.
19:10 < iio7> What am I missing here?
19:11 < Bradipo> You ran installboot?
19:12 < iio7> No.
19:14 < iio7> why would I do that?
19:14 < Bradipo> I don't know.
19:14 < fro> to get it to boot from the disk?
19:15 < iio7> ? You use fdisk for that.
19:15 < miah> always gotta install the bootloader to new disks; raid never does this as its only concerned with partitions
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19:17 < iio7> Thank you very much. I though that the softraid would handle that since it's cloning from one disk to the other.
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19:19 < iio7> Is that to be done before or after using disklabel to copy the partition layout?
19:19 < Bradipo> I should think after.
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19:49 < polarian> welp I mounted the install in OpenBSD, the FAT partition made by the OpenBSD installer is 8M despite it being a 16M partition 
19:49 < polarian> any reason why?
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19:52 < sibiria> does it matter?
19:53 < polarian> yes
19:53 < polarian> I need the full 16M
19:53 < polarian> I looked high and low, is there no growfs for FAT? can you not grow fat filesystems?
19:54 < mischief> boot ubuntu iso and run gparted?
19:54 < sibiria> or just save the contents, create a new label using all of the space, put stuff back
19:54 < ssm_> polarian: <can you not grow fat filesystems> don't think so
19:55 < polarian> yikes ok... what FAT is BOOT for OpenBSD?
19:55 < polarian> I believe its FAT16?
19:55 < polarian> I think thats what Linux saw it as
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19:56 < thrig> fat32 was only recently delicensed?
19:58 < polarian> Is there no way to list filesystem type on OpenBSD?
20:00 < thrig> disklabel sd0 | awk '{print $4}'
20:00 < polarian> oh... right... disklabel shows it
20:00 < polarian> brain fart
20:00 < polarian> thanks :)
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20:01 < pardis> technically, disklabel shows you the fstype metadata in the disklabel, not the filesystem the partition is actually formatted with
20:01 < pardis> which *should* be the same, usually
20:02 < polarian> right... so hypothetically if I wanted to check the latter... how would I? (for completeness) :)
20:03 < pardis> blkid (from the e2fsprogs package) is pretty good at figuring out filesystem type by scent
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20:05 < pardis> also, newfs_msdos(8) is capable of creating FAT12, 16 or 32 filesystems, per the man page
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20:05 < pardis> and installboot(8) doesn't specify any of the flags that force a particular type, so it will be left up to the implementation's default, which appears to be determined based on a bunch of stuff
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20:09 < pardis> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sbin/newfs_msdos/newfs_msdos.c#L448
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20:15 < polarian> oh wow... it actually booted...
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20:17 < polarian> alright I give up... 
20:17 < polarian> I can not get bse to work on 7.5 on RPI, others have on the ML, I have no clue why it can't work...
20:18 < polarian> dmesg shows nothing... there is no errors... but when it comes to dhcp or the phy working nothing...
20:18 < polarian> The phy is just blinking on and off...
20:19 < Bradipo> Blinking as if it's receiving traffic?  Or blinking in some other fashion?
20:19 < polarian> I should just video it
20:21 < polarian> https://http.icebound.dev/httpfileupload/-x6Mr8yuJ5H_TbE75B7vLZ2t9yE/zb2rhaYWhKrjnjPNMpxgUGoeTTtxMSsvxx14YtMrVUTot8jKg.mp4
20:21 < polarian> there 
20:22 < thrig> there was a blinking scene in "The IT Crowd"
20:22 < Bradipo> Looks like the interface is being reset repeatedly.
20:23 < polarian> yup... so I thought "must be firmware"
20:24 < polarian> other people had success with RPI UEFI firmware, so that is why I have spent 2 days sticking the firmware on the SD card with the OpenBSD boot
20:24 < polarian> andddd nothing...
20:24 < polarian> admittidly these guides are for 6.9/7.0/7.1 
20:24 < Bradipo> I haven't been bit by the RPI bug so I don't know much about it.
20:25 < polarian> you have OpenBSD working on RPI?
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20:25 < Bradipo> I have NOT been bit by the RPI bug.
20:25 < Bradipo> Sorry, probably some colloquialism, or slang.
20:25 < Bradipo> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bitten%20by%20the%20(activity)%20bug
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20:26 < polarian> ohhh... thats what you meant 
20:27 < polarian> right ok I can power the rpi from my laptop...
20:27 < polarian> I am going to go try and plug it into every switch/router I have 
20:27 < polarian> last ditch effort
20:28 < Bradipo> I assume the NIC shows up in dmesg?
20:29 < polarian> I am pissed off
20:29 < polarian> thats so bs
20:29 < polarian> I figured it out
20:30 < polarian> days and days of non-stop testing... OpenBSD doesn't work with powerline adapter...
20:30 < polarian> it worked fine for my AMD64 OpenBSD install, but with the ARM64 on RPI, nope...
20:31 < Bradipo> PoE?
20:31 < polarian> now I got to go admit this to the OpenBSD mailing list and hope I don't get murdered 
20:31 < polarian> Bradipo: nope... 
20:31 < Bradipo> What's "powerline adapter" then?
20:31 < polarian> just a bog standard tp-link powerline adapter
20:31 < miah> ethernet over power
20:31 < polarian> ^^
20:31 < Bradipo> So, PoE...
20:32 < miah> similar to ethernet over cable
20:32 < polarian> no
20:32 < Bradipo> Oh, Ethernet over powerline, got it!
20:32 < miah> you're using your home/apartments power lines as a hub
20:32 < Bradipo> Yeah, got it.
20:32 < polarian> welp lesson learnt 
20:32 < Bradipo> I haven't done Ethernet over Power in a while.
20:32 < polarian> RPI doesn't work with them 
20:32 < miah> their compatibility is always... iffy
20:33 < polarian> welp... 
20:33 < polarian> let me test it on my second internet connection to make sure 
20:34  * polarian has two cable providers :)
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20:36 < polarian> yup no issues
20:36 < polarian> welp thank you to everyone which helped :)
20:37 < Bradipo> So you have one Internet provider that delivers the service over power lines?
20:37 < polarian> no...
20:37 < Bradipo> Ok, I was going to ask, which of the providers do that. :-)
20:37 < polarian> London homes are old, they do not come with ethernet writing, to get internet around the house powerline adapters are common
20:37 < Bradipo> I see.
20:38 < polarian> I wasn't next to the router when rebuilding the pi
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21:30 < vortexx> anexit: mtu 1388
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21:33 < a1fa> syspatch
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21:48 < emmanuelux> hello since the last version, ssh connect is way faster
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21:52 < fro> ok
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22:02 < vortexx> anexit: iper3 vs nfs tests give about double the speed of nfs for iperf3 over wg
22:03 < Bradipo> emmanuelux: Interesting, I've noticed a different problem.
22:03 < Bradipo> It seems that there are random "jerks" or "jitters" in the SSH communication (even on local LANs).
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22:04 < Bradipo> I suspect, but cannot prove, that it is related to the ObscureKeystrokeTiming setting which is new.
22:08 < thrig> ... -o ObscureKeystrokeTiming=no ... and if jitters b gone therefore
22:10 < Bradipo> Yeah, I'll give that a try next time.
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22:10 < Bradipo> It seems to happen when I "paste" stuff into the terminal.  The last few characters take a while to echo back.
22:11 < Bradipo> And "while" his highly subjective, and keep in mind that this is on the order of milliseconds likely.
22:11 < Bradipo> But to a veteran typist, these things stand out.
22:12 < Bradipo> Then again, maybe I've got a hacked version of OpenBSD that has the backdoored SSH!!!
22:12 < thrig> some terminals have special handling of escape sequences for a paste mode that could add latency somewhere
22:12 < Bradipo> Well, this just recently started happening since I upgraded to 7.4
22:12 < Bradipo> So unless xterm has introduced it...
22:13 < Bradipo> And there are no escape sequences in the data, all ASCII printable.
22:13 < Bradipo> I'll try -o and see if I can detect a difference.
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22:26 < tommyrot> is the keystroke thing enabled by default then?
22:26 < tommyrot> my version is lagging behind somewhat so i wouldn't know
22:28 < Bradipo> Yes, it is enabled by default.  I think it's sensible to enable it by default.
22:28 < tommyrot> alright
22:29 < tommyrot> i'll keep this in mind for when day comes i upgrade
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22:48 < emmanuelux> Bradipo, OK, but for my ssh connection to openbsd, it is almost 1 second better
22:49 < thrig> or maybe your dns changed
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22:50 < emmanuelux> or .profile execution ?
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22:51 < emmanuelux> but OK if I am alone to see improvement on this
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23:11 < emmanuelux> Bradipo, I saw 'jerks' too in terminals (timing pb ?) or characters leaks', but it was when I connect to linux terminals 
23:13 < Bradipo> Hmm, I'm not sure if the fake keystrokes thing is a client-side only requirement, or if it requires the SSH server to recognize a new thing.
23:13 < thrig> ncurses also got a bump in 7.5
23:13 < Bradipo> I haven't yet jumped to 7.5 yet, so that wouldn't be relevant.
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23:14 < Bradipo> One thing that I did notice... xpdf has suddenly been upgraded.
23:15 < Bradipo> I think I mentioned this before.  But I'm not fond of the new version.
23:15 < Bradipo> All the buttons have no icons so I have no idea what I'm clicking on.
23:15 < Bradipo> Probably because I'm not running some gnome DE or some other QT related thing.
23:15 < Bradipo> I use fvwm.
23:16 < Bradipo> Fortunately, there is still xpdf3 in the ports/packages, so I installed that instead.
23:17 < thrig> there's also mupdf
23:17 < Bradipo> Yeah, I never took a liking to it.
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23:34 < welcome> HELO
23:35 < welcome> I have an application which launches via a sh script over 100 small programs on starting
23:36 < welcome> There appears to be a race condition because often two or three fail to start properly 
23:36 < welcome> The application uses X
23:37 < Bradipo> You starting them in xephyr?
23:37 < welcome> How might I go about finding how this problem can be fixed? I need the programs to start fairly quickly so they do not sit around waiting for each other for long
23:37  * welcome looks up xephyr
23:37 < Bradipo> No.
23:38 < Bradipo> You aren't using it or you would know the answer to that question already.
23:38 < Bradipo> No need to look it up.
23:38 < Bradipo> And if you are using it, you clearly don't know what you're doing. :-)
23:39 < welcome> ok
23:39 < Bradipo> So the script is starting a bunch of X clients?
23:39 < Bradipo> And some of them fail to start... what error is reported?
23:39 < welcome> I am not using it, and I know what *I" am doing as far as my app is concerned, ....
23:39 < welcome> No errors
23:39 < Bradipo> welcome: My point was not meant to be a slight in any way.
23:40 < welcome> only some apps appear briefly then disappear
23:40 < thrig> "lots of things" might run into memory or file descriptor limits
23:40 < Bradipo> I was just stating the obvious, which is if you are using Xephyr, but don't know you're using it, then you clearly don't know what you're doing. :-)
23:40  * welcome understands Bradipo 
23:40 < welcome> heh
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23:40 < Bradipo> Does the program report any errors?
23:41 < welcome> no
23:42 < welcome> I have attempted writing a mamagement tool to handle this, but I haven't finished and it is a bit tedious in itself so I'd rathert solve the underlying problem
23:42 < Bradipo> If you put sleeps between the start of each process does the problem go away?
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23:42 < welcome> which I think is a race condition due to many apps starting in succession at once
23:42 < welcome> I think it went away with big enoiugh sleeps
23:42 < Bradipo> Could be, but I would think that a process that fails to start would return an error of some kind.
23:43 < welcome> You know, for some reason, possibly work-fatigue-related I can't be sure about the answer to that question
23:43 < Bradipo> X does have a fixed number of clients that can connect.
23:44 < Bradipo> How many clients do you already have running at the time you start these processes?
23:44 < welcome> I have upped that limit to an adequate level
23:44 < Bradipo> How?
23:44 < welcome> -maxclients 512 in Xservers
23:44 < Bradipo> Did you build xenocara with a new limit?
23:44 < Bradipo> Oh.
23:44 < welcome> also adhustments to login.conf
23:44 < tpfau> if the apps appear briefly then disappear, are you sure any error doesn't disappear with the app? do the programs create any logs that might contain error messages?
23:44 < Bradipo> And you tested the -maxclients and observed that it does actually allow more clients?
23:45 < welcome> yes it does
23:45 < Bradipo> Ok, I seem to recall running into a -maxclients on some OS that didn't actually work.
23:46 < welcome> I think a client is three or four for a XCB app per app
23:46 < welcome> decorations = 1 client, app=2, maybe more
23:47 < welcome> the apps have no logging
23:49 < Bradipo> Haha, I just tried to spawn 100 xterms and ran out of ttys first.
23:49 < Bradipo> Guess I should try an X client that doesn't depend on ttys.
23:50 < welcome> I was thinking maybe a sysctl could fix it 
23:51 < Bradipo> Well, first, we don't know what "it" is.
23:51 < Bradipo> Since the process isn't logging anything, or outputting anything, who knows what it's doing.
23:51 < Bradipo> You could try to ktrace one of them and hope you get lucky.
23:52 < Bradipo> I assume you've increased limits with ulimit (you mentioned login.conf).
23:52 < welcome> yes
23:54 < welcome> I might try upping staqcksize, that might have helped before for whatever reason
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