--- Log opened Tue Apr 23 00:00:25 2024 --- Day changed Tue Apr 23 2024 00:00 < welcome> I'll restart and come back and let you know how it goes 00:01 -!- welcome [~Windshiel@1.124.108.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:02 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 00:04 -!- sibiria [~sibiria@user/sibiria] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:07 -!- The_Blode [uid537595@user/the-blode/x-7164444] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:09 -!- iio7 [~iio7@user/iio7] has joined #openbsd 00:11 < iio7> I changed a disk in a softraid mirror and the mirror works again. Except that I cannot boot from the newly attached disk, only the old disk. I have tried booting from a USB, and also just to the mirror, and I have used installboot sd1, but still, if I remove the old disk, the new cannot boot by itself. 00:12 < iio7> I want to be sure that if the old disk goes and I need to replace that, that I can actually boot on the new one alone. 00:12 < iio7> I keep getting "Boot error". 00:12 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@221.237.139.202] has joined #openbsd 00:14 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:14 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:15 -!- adig [~default@79.112.164.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19 -!- n6bsd [~n6bsd@user/n6bsd] has joined #openbsd 00:20 -!- bilegeek [~bilegeek@2600:1008:b048:47a6:69f5:273e:c742:c5f5] has joined #openbsd 00:21 -!- Noisytoot 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Can anyone here recommend easy to use libre video editing software that works well on openbsd? 06:03 -!- armin [~armin@zero.m2m.pm] has joined #openbsd 06:04 -!- adip [~adip@c159-63.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 06:07 -!- h3at [~qw@gateway/tor-sasl/h3at] has joined #openbsd 06:11 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-185-116.toya.net.pl] has joined #openbsd 06:11 -!- rafael [~rafael@user/rafael] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 06:12 -!- rafael [~rafael@user/rafael] has joined #openbsd 06:14 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-185-116.toya.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15 -!- Guru_DE [~guru@2001:9e8:e832:8700:c0b3:7609:8f8d:a94] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 06:20 -!- leah2 [~leah@vuxu.org] has joined #openbsd 06:27 -!- shiranaihito_ 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#openbsd 10:26 < BigPufferFishHat> I was not REEgistered 10:28 < BigPufferFishHat> does arp proxy ring a bell for anybody here? 10:29 < BigPufferFishHat> I got it to work for like with my host route, lower priority thing is after awhile it times out upstream (I think) 10:29 < BigPufferFishHat> and I have to drop the host route the wait a sec 10:29 -!- lalbornoz [lucia@user/lalbornoz] has joined #openbsd 10:29 < BigPufferFishHat> then I can add it back and arp proxy works again for like another hour 10:30 < BigPufferFishHat> it would be nice if someone were familiar enough with this had a cool solution that fixes this 10:31 < BigPufferFishHat> I've been reading the man page for it and it seems like there might be but Im afraid it might be but it really is lost on me 10:33 < BigPufferFishHat> be a shame too because, this is something that totally workso n linux and doesnt aggravate me to death every hour, linux vrf / ct zone sucks though and over all the way openbsd adopted routing domains seems cohesive.. I like it better 10:34 < BigPufferFishHat> really need arp proxy to work right though I guess I could accept if the solution is to tell upstream to make arp perm or osmething but thats not gonna work for me, Id get it though 10:35 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@221.237.139.202] has joined #openbsd 10:35 < IcePic> I've used arp proxying in the 90s as a "solution" for problems I don't have anymore 10:37 < BigPufferFishHat> this might be a bit different 10:37 < BigPufferFishHat> !arp -V1 -s 63.225.191.41 52:54:00:86:e0:fd pub 10:37 < BigPufferFishHat> !route -T1 add -host -inet 63.225.191.41 192.0.2.0 -priority 7 10:37 < BigPufferFishHat> the thing is this does work 10:38 < BigPufferFishHat> but it only works for about an hour 10:38 < BigPufferFishHat> because that route with pri 7 is blocking the route record that the arp command creates 10:39 < BigPufferFishHat> 63.225.191.41/32 52:54:00:86:e0:fd ULS2 0 2160 - 8 vio0 10:39 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@221.237.139.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:40 < BigPufferFishHat> well and I think maybe the way this was intended to work was not to have to need to keep sending arp every hour but thats part of what Im trying to figure out 10:41 < BigPufferFishHat> but yeah basically I have several static addresses that are all part of the same subnet and the upstream router just says here ya go 10:41 < BigPufferFishHat> use them all on one interface 10:43 < BigPufferFishHat> with arp proxy though you can route them around to different vrfs over patches just fine if it works 10:43 < BigPufferFishHat> Im actually really poor 10:43 < BigPufferFishHat> I wish I had like a real tier 2 setup with like, a port on an ix 10:43 < BigPufferFishHat> and could do things right 10:45 < BigPufferFishHat> well I mean depending on who you ask 10:45 < BigPufferFishHat> this is the right way 10:45 < IcePic> if you get more addresses, you could just set them up as aliases on the interface and the computer would accept traffic to all those ips 10:46 < IcePic> as soon as you have accepted the packets, PF could ship them to different routing domains and/or rewrite them 10:47 < BigPufferFishHat> yeah this is sorta the same thing but if you do aliases, then you cant create a route for them I think was the problem but its essentially the same thing 10:47 < BigPufferFishHat> like if you look at the route record 10:47 < BigPufferFishHat> sec 10:49 < BigPufferFishHat> 63.225.191.41 52:54:00:86:e0:fd vio0 static p 10:49 < BigPufferFishHat> sorry having a bit of trouble figuring out route get to select the route that it creates 10:50 -!- zoraj [~zoraj@41.136.35.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:51 < BigPufferFishHat> but yeah you can even remove the alias from the interface after you add it and then you can set the route via another net, in a diff routing domain / vrf 10:51 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 10:52 -!- zoraj 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BigPufferFishHat> if you look in the man page 11:04 < BigPufferFishHat> b RTF_BROADCAST Correspond to a local broadcast address. 11:04 < BigPufferFishHat> there are some flags here that the route that the arp command isn't using with the route it creates 11:04 < BigPufferFishHat> I wonder if that would make any sense though 11:09 < IcePic> it's a bit hard to visualize it all from remote without details 11:12 < BigPufferFishHat> sec 11:13 < BigPufferFishHat> https://www.mail-archive.com/tech@openbsd.org/msg59361.html this at least got me to the point where i have something that works for an hour 11:16 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 11:17 < BigPufferFishHat> if you have routes that are overlapping they have to have some kind of constraints to set them apart from each other or you give one a lower priority, the thing about priority though as I understand it is that it makes more sense when you have ephemeral routes (like route cloning and routes with an expiration set, redirects I think they're calling it its kind of a weird concept to me Im not 11:17 < BigPufferFishHat> really familiar with 11:19 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:20 < IcePic> wonder (after reading afresh1's situation) if it would be something you could manage with two binats, one to send it to an internal ip, then binat as close to it as possible to the "real" ip so it gets routed using the internal represenation just like any rdr-to forward 11:20 < BigPufferFishHat> also genmask is apparently for creating template routes; I dont think Ive ever seen that actually being used and I hate to think that I saw it somewhere and really didn't understand it at all lol 11:20 -!- donofrio__ [~donofrio@nat-162-58-0-210.esc.gov] has joined #openbsd 11:24 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@c-68-40-123-196.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:24 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25 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ZZZzzz…] 11:31 < BigPufferFishHat> "ksoftirq more like kslowirq" 11:42 < BigPufferFishHat> yeah see onlinux 11:42 < BigPufferFishHat> bridge# echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp 11:42 < BigPufferFishHat> bridge# echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 11:42 < BigPufferFishHat> bridge# ip ro add 10.42.0.11/32 dev eth0 11:42 < BigPufferFishHat> you can just do that and it'll work 11:43 < BigPufferFishHat> theres only one route 11:44 -!- sroso [~sroso@user/SrOso] has quit [Quit: Leaving :)] 11:44 -!- sneaker [~sneaker@99-112-161-247.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:44 < BigPufferFishHat> then ip neigh show proxy with iproute2 but the 11:45 < BigPufferFishHat> https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnectionsProxyArp 11:46 < BigPufferFishHat> the old arp seems to imply that its not as closely coupled with the routing table like obsd I think freebsd is similar 11:47 -!- cornpaffies [~cornpaffi@user/cornpaffies] has joined #openbsd 11:48 < IcePic> it would be interesting to know what the "1 hour" timeout comes from 11:49 < BigPufferFishHat> yeah thats an approximation 11:49 < BigPufferFishHat> 3600 seconds 11:49 < IcePic> still, it's not the usual arp timeouts 11:50 < BigPufferFishHat> yeah and they are running some kind of route cluster too theres 3 routers one of them sends udp 8888 mcast 11:50 < BigPufferFishHat> and I feel like I looked into this once 11:50 < BigPufferFishHat> and found that it was brocade or something 11:51 < BigPufferFishHat> but yeah its not like it needs to be timing out either, i have a minecraft server setup on one of the addresses that are proxy arped and when it cuts off it will cut off in the middle of me playing 11:52 < BigPufferFishHat> so the timeout is exclusively specific to just arp like other traffic doesn't reset it 11:54 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@221.237.139.202] has joined #openbsd 11:56 -!- CheckMyBrain [uid559926@id-559926.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for 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My FTDI USB Serial converter uftdi(4) cannot be accessed by cu(1). I want to prevent a reboot, if possible. Any idea? 15:11 < jrmu> remiliascarlet: yeah no problem, I fell asleep so didn't read it til earlier 15:12 < jrmu> thanks again 15:12 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 15:12 -!- polishdub [~polishdub@ip72-208-203-185.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12 -!- echelon_ is now known as echelon 15:16 < rIMpossible> ... to advance. I basically would need to - somehow - reset /dev/cuaU0 15:17 -!- jrmu [jrmu@jrmu.jrmu.host.ircnow.org] has left #openbsd [] 15:17 < rIMpossible> fuser shows no users locking the device. cu(1) tells Device not configured, previously it was. 15:18 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx] 15:18 < Bradipo> rIMpossible: Have you tried unplugging it? 15:19 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: yes, comes not up. 15:19 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p57b4b696.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 15:20 -!- jacobk [~quassel@utdpat242053.utdallas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27 -!- psydroid [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd 15:29 -!- SirJitsu-work [~SirJitsu@66.103.232.138] has joined #openbsd 15:29 -!- jacobk [~quassel@utdpat242053.utdallas.edu] has joined #openbsd 15:29 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 15:34 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:35 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 15:40 -!- penne [~penne@gateway/tor-sasl/penne] has joined #openbsd 15:41 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@85.236.190.173] has joined #openbsd 15:42 < amnesiac> Hi 15:42 < amnesiac> does it possible to get audio through hdmi interface in openbsd ? 15:43 < a1fa> o/ 15:46 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@86-95-161-96.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #openbsd 15:46 < Bradipo> I don't think HDMI audio works yet. 15:47 < amnesiac> Bradipo, sad 15:47 < a1fa> i am sure you could buy a box that would combine 3.5mm into hdmi 15:47 < a1fa> if you really needed it 15:48 < a1fa> cornfirmed. they got them on amazons 15:48 < a1fa> $12 USD 15:48 < a1fa> 1080p 60hz 15:48 < a1fa> would that work as a work around? 15:48 -!- Den4ikRus [~Den4ikRus@gateway/tor-sasl/den4ikrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:49 -!- Den4ikRus [~Den4ikRus@gateway/tor-sasl/den4ikrus] has joined #openbsd 15:54 < amnesiac> a1fa, not for me. Live in Russian Federation now. However i got an idea. Thank you. 15:54 < a1fa> amnesiac: it may be cheaper to buy a sound bar 15:55 < a1fa> amnesiac: did you want to hook this up to a tv? 15:55 < amnesiac> I use kvm with hdmi with thikncentre 1 litre thought guy, and iiyaam 34'' 15:56 < amnesiac> and this iiyama has perfect sound 15:57 < amnesiac> interesting, that when I changed thinkcentre aio 24'' to this iiyama - sound disappeared at all. Could not get it even from front 3.5 mm jack from thinkcentre =\ 15:57 -!- manwithluck [manwithluc@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/manwithluck] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01 < a1fa> not familiar with that brand 16:03 < amnesiac> anyway two big plusses - screen is huge, and it's 144Hz vs 60 on thinkcentre 16:03 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03 < amnesiac> my eyes are happy 16:04 < Bradipo> Price isn't bad either... $650 for a ThinkCentre... 16:04 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 16:04 < Bradipo> They run OpenBSD well? 16:04 < amnesiac> Bradipo, yes 16:04 < amnesiac> i bought m75q2 16:06 < amnesiac> and maxed it with ssd p5+ for sony, and fast black sata and 64gb ram 16:07 < amnesiac> 6 cpu, 12 threads, lots of ram and fast disks, all perfect to run many vms 16:07 < Bradipo> What about just a workstation? :-) 16:07 < amnesiac> it could do both 16:08 < amnesiac> it has com interface, to be accessible from far, or network, or attach to display port or hdmi 16:08 < Bradipo> Actually has serial? That's great. 16:08 < amnesiac> sound through display port was working 16:08 < amnesiac> lenovo is the best othres is the rest 16:08 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:09 < amnesiac> besides those sound problems ... 16:14 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@221.237.139.202] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 16:15 < anexit> whats a good torrent downloader? 16:16 < anexit> On XFCE 16:16 < anexit> openbsd 16:16 < vortexx> transmission 16:16 < ssm_> anexit: transmission is good, I had problems with rtorrent in the past 16:16 < anexit> Ok 16:16 < ssm_> haven't tried it recently though 16:16 < anexit> felt weird asking that 16:16 < anexit> like I was in highschool 16:16 < ssm_> qbittorrent is also p orted 16:16 < anexit> haha 16:17 < ssm_> s/p o/po 16:17 < sibiria> rtorrent is *still* misbehaving, after all these years 16:17 < sibiria> transmission is bona fide BT client 16:19 < anexit> ah 16:19 -!- billchenchina [~billchenc@2a0d:2580:ff0c:1:e3c9:c52b:a429:5bfe] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:19 < anexit> Yeah, just looking for something to snag files from 16:20 -!- jacobk [~quassel@utdpat242053.utdallas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:22 -!- billchenchina [~billchenc@103.152.35.21] has joined #openbsd 16:23 < Bradipo> Isn't torrent only good if there are a lot of people using torrent for the same file? 16:23 < Bradipo> Otherwise, it's no better than any other transfer protocol? 16:23 -!- donofrio__ [~donofrio@nat-162-58-0-210.esc.gov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24 < sibiria> that's the whole point of bittorrent. distributed transfers 16:24 < Bradipo> I understand that... but if there are few distribution points... 16:24 < Bradipo> What's the point? :-) 16:25 < sibiria> i think it's the wrong question to ask. the point is that it can distribute per design, as long as there are people willing to distribute 16:25 < sibiria> if you download something over http you won't be able to distribute right then and there 16:25 < Bradipo> Ok. 16:25 < sibiria> you get a copy for yourself and that's the end of it 16:26 < Lucas6023> also individuals are more willing to ignore copyright regulations than companies 16:26 -!- zanetti [~Thunderbi@2804:7f0:9b80:bf0:3110:cb2e:5719:119c] has joined #openbsd 16:27 -!- gvg___ [~dcd@user/gvg] has joined #openbsd 16:27 -!- gvg__ [~dcd@user/gvg] has joined #openbsd 16:28 -!- gvg_ [~dcd@user/gvg] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:28 -!- gvg [~dcd@user/gvg] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:28 < sibiria> with BT you can just remain in the swarm after you downloaded your copy of the data set, and you automatically help to distribute. everyone is a peer unless they explicitly configured their client not to be 16:28 < sibiria> the design itself is great. the protocol has some shortcomings of the archaic type, but it gets the job done nevertheless 16:30 < a1fa> multi file streaming is nice 16:30 < a1fa> you can actually saturate that interface with tcp 16:30 -!- livestradamus_ [~livestrad@37.56.100.157] has joined #openbsd 16:30 -!- polishdub [~polishdub@ip72-208-203-185.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openbsd 16:31 -!- echkourine25 [~echkourin@92-184-118-24.mobile.fr.orangecustomers.net] has joined #openbsd 16:31 -!- livestradamus [~livestrad@user/livestradamus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:32 -!- jacobk [~quassel@64.189.201.150] has joined #openbsd 16:32 -!- Seven7Up [~user1337@user/Seven7Up] has joined #openbsd 16:33 -!- billchenchina [~billchenc@103.152.35.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34 -!- carbonfiber [uid513797@id-513797.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 16:34 -!- manwithluck [manwithluc@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/manwithluck] has joined #openbsd 16:35 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@85.236.190.173] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36 -!- f_ [~AUGESOUND@fases/developer/funderscore] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:38 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 16:45 -!- bsd4me [~bsduser@user/bsd4me] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:51 -!- SirJitsu-work [~SirJitsu@66.103.232.138] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:03 -!- tarxvfz [~tarxvfz@gateway/tor-sasl/tarxvfz] has joined #openbsd 17:05 -!- f_ [~AUGESOUND@fases/developer/funderscore] has joined #openbsd 17:06 -!- ClaudioM [claudiom@tilde.institute] has joined #openbsd 17:10 -!- livestradamus_ is now known as livestradamus 17:11 -!- schna [~schna@2a02:8071:5980:b340:4e1a:b7b5:50b8:f79b] has joined #openbsd 17:11 -!- livestradamus [~livestrad@37.56.100.157] has quit [Changing host] 17:11 -!- livestradamus [~livestrad@user/livestradamus] has joined #openbsd 17:11 -!- Oclair [~Oclair@nq3.aventia.pw] has quit [Quit: %Cya%] 17:12 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 17:13 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 17:13 -!- Oclair [~Oclair@nq3.aventia.pw] has joined #openbsd 17:15 -!- Oclair [~Oclair@nq3.aventia.pw] has quit [Client Quit] 17:15 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has joined #openbsd 17:15 -!- krl [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 17:16 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 17:18 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:18 -!- Oclair [~Oclair@nq3.aventia.pw] has joined #openbsd 17:18 -!- krl_ [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:18 -!- bpye [~bpye@user/bpye] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 17:18 -!- bpye [~bpye@user/bpye] has joined #openbsd 17:24 < myappie> "Welcome to XXX, an innovative, forward-thinking operating system designed to redefine user interaction and enhance computing security. DarpaOS merges the robust security principles of OpenBSD with the cutting-edge capability-based model from CapROS and is designed to be Neuralink-ready, facilitating navigation through a dynamic 3D space using neural interfaces." 17:25 -!- Oclair [~Oclair@nq3.aventia.pw] has quit [Quit: %Cya%] 17:27 -!- donofrio [~donofrio@nat-162-58-0-210.esc.gov] has joined #openbsd 17:27 -!- h3at [~qw@gateway/tor-sasl/h3at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28 -!- Oclair [~Oclair@nq3.aventia.pw] has joined #openbsd 17:28 -!- h3at [~qw@gateway/tor-sasl/h3at] has joined #openbsd 17:29 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 17:29 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@85.236.190.173] has joined #openbsd 17:31 -!- bsd4me [~bsduser@user/bsd4me] has joined #openbsd 17:32 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:33 -!- miojo [~miojo@187.19.173.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33 -!- miojo [~miojo@187.19.173.226] has joined #openbsd 17:33 -!- miojo [~miojo@187.19.173.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34 -!- miojo [~miojo@187.19.173.226] has joined #openbsd 17:38 < amnesiac> I'm curious why focusright usb interface previously worked and 3.5mm jack on front side too, and now it does not ... 17:39 -!- eightt [m-eytojc@ip109-204-226-51.osphost.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:40 -!- f_ [~AUGESOUND@fases/developer/funderscore] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40 -!- f_ [~AUGESOUND@fases/developer/funderscore] has joined #openbsd 17:41 -!- eightt [m-eytojc@ip109-204-226-51.osphost.fi] has joined #openbsd 17:43 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has joined #openbsd 17:45 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 17:49 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has joined #openbsd 17:50 -!- Mete- [~quassel@2804:da8:f7a1:693f:4f3c:9572:8140:913b] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:53 -!- SirJitsu-work [~SirJitsu@66.103.232.138] has joined #openbsd 17:55 -!- b50d [~b50d@62.96.54.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55 -!- RypPn2 [~RypPn@big-cahunha.rosscom.co.uk] has joined #openbsd 17:55 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:55 -!- RypPn2 is now known as RypPn 17:55 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@big-cahunha.rosscom.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 17:55 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has joined #openbsd 17:56 -!- jacobk [~quassel@64.189.201.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00 -!- jab [~user@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 18:02 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02 -!- chiselfuse [~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 -!- chiselfuse [~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse] has joined #openbsd 18:05 -!- ats42 [~ats@185.57.29.142] has joined #openbsd 18:05 -!- ats42 is now known as sata 18:08 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@c-68-40-123-196.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 18:08 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@85.236.190.173] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09 -!- Mete- [~quassel@186.250.13.100] has joined #openbsd 18:10 -!- bket [~bket@user/bket] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11 -!- bket [~bket@user/bket] has joined #openbsd 18:12 -!- donofrio [~donofrio@nat-162-58-0-210.esc.gov] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:13 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 18:14 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:17 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 18:18 -!- leah [~leah@libreboot/developer/leah] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:19 -!- leah [~leah@libreboot/developer/leah] has joined #openbsd 18:20 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has joined #openbsd 18:20 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:21 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 18:27 -!- donofrio__ [~donofrio@155.178.180.11] has joined #openbsd 18:30 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@c-68-40-123-196.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:31 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd 18:33 -!- kikadf_ [~quassel@20014C4E2BD3B200DEA632FFFE5AD709.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 18:33 -!- kikadf [~quassel@20014C4E2BC13D00DEA632FFFE5AD709.unconfigured.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:37 < bket> heb je al gepoogd om rfc4638 te vergeten en een kleinere mtu te gebruiken. aka mtu uit je pppoe config halen? 18:38 < bket> oops...sorry! 18:40 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:41 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:42 < echelon> whatever happened with the bsdcan talk about ipv6 and that other supposed vulnerability? 18:44 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has joined #openbsd 18:45 -!- cjs [~irc@user/coreystephanphd] has joined #openbsd 18:46 -!- zetef [~quassel@5.2.182.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49 -!- sata [~ats@185.57.29.142] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:53 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has quit [Quit: Polarian has disappeared] 18:55 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@86-95-161-96.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Quit: https://github.com/ivdsangen] 18:55 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 18:57 -!- Seven7Up [~user1337@user/Seven7Up] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:59 -!- dlg [~dlg@toy.eait.uq.edu.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:59 -!- Guru_DE [~guru@2001:9e8:e832:8700:c0b3:7609:8f8d:a94] has joined #openbsd 19:00 -!- psydroid [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:00 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has joined #openbsd 19:00 -!- euphores [~SASL_euph@user/euphores] has joined #openbsd 19:01 < avemestr> I think the other was about NFS presented at t2.fi. But it seems like FUD so far, though the vulnerability might be true. 19:01 < avemestr> Seems weird to tease, then present something in person and then.... crickets. 19:01 -!- dlg [~dlg@toy.eait.uq.edu.au] has joined #openbsd 19:02 < thrig> not really? the Orange Site is full of "but I can exploit openbsd" and then crickets 19:02 -!- f_ [~AUGESOUND@fases/developer/funderscore] has quit [Quit: To contact me, send a memo using MemoServ, PM f_[xmpp], or send an email. See https://vitali64.duckdns.org/.] 19:04 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:04 -!- Rue [~rue@2001-b011-0013-92ae-e23f-49ff-fe4a-97fb.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.2.2] 19:04 -!- Rue [~rue@2001-b011-0013-92ae-e23f-49ff-fe4a-97fb.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has joined #openbsd 19:07 < sibiria> "none of these mitigations really matter. the openbsd people are disconnected from the reality of what exploits look like today" -> "can you provide a proof of concept that exploits any part of openbsd then?" -> silence, no exploit ever shows up 19:08 -!- absc [~absc@213.55.240.29] has joined #openbsd 19:08 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has joined #openbsd 19:09 -!- mischief [~mischief@2601:646:100:23:2efd:a1ff:feba:38aa] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:09 -!- Rue [~rue@2001-b011-0013-92ae-e23f-49ff-fe4a-97fb.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:09 -!- Rue [~rue@2001-b011-0013-92ae-e23f-49ff-fe4a-97fb.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has joined #openbsd 19:10 < fro> i mean a lot of openbsd people are pretty delusional about security 19:10 < fro> i wouldn't say the devs are but users for sure 19:10 < sibiria> a lot of linux people are pretty delusional about security, too 19:10 < fro> that said i agree on the nobody will show proof typically 19:11 -!- mischief [~mischief@2601:646:100:23:2efd:a1ff:feba:38aa] has joined #openbsd 19:11 < fro> i don't think the nfs or ipv6 thing are big deals 19:11 < thrig> or there was someone on the mailing list claiming exploit, but it turned out they had turned off lots of stuff to get there 19:12 < sibiria> what's the "ipv6 thing"? 19:12 < fro> well and there's that whole website dedicated to openbsd 19:12 < Bradipo> I don't think "openbsd people" or "linux people" are alone in this observation. 19:12 < fro> which claims to have bypasses to * and blah blah blah 19:13 < fro> there's no reason to bring linux people or anyone else into this 19:13 < fro> it's not relevant 19:13 < fro> we're not comparing things 19:13 < fro> at least i'm not 19:14 < fro> pointing fingers at linux won't help openbsd 19:14 < avemestr> That stein guy seems obsessed. But it's a bit like "If I hit a car from the side, the deformation zone in front of the engine doesn't help!". And then "If I hit a car from the front, the side air bags doesn't do anything". Conclusion: "Deformation zones and side airbags are useless". 19:14 < fro> sure 19:15 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:15 < fro> i don't disagree with this but as much as i think that website is poorly written and mostly opinions there are still a few things that are worth considering there 19:16 -!- izder456 [~user@71.89.105.76] has joined #openbsd 19:16 < avemestr> And it was obviously cherry picking. E.g. one of the sources was a presentation showing "OpenBSD has had x vulnerabilities". Two slides later: "OpenBSD is more proactive and has less vulns than other OSes". Yet stein went with the first slide. 19:16 < avemestr> You're probably right. 19:17 < fro> i'm not a security expert by any means 19:17 < fro> but neither is stein 19:18 -!- eightt [m-eytojc@ip109-204-226-51.osphost.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:18 < fro> i'd probably take the site more seriously if it had fewer opinions, someone proofread and edited it, broken links were fixed, and just straight up untrue things weren't listed 19:18 < fro> but again there are things like the fuzzer section 19:19 < fro> that's a completely legitimate thing to point out 19:20 -!- eightt [m-eytojc@ip109-204-226-51.osphost.fi] has joined #openbsd 19:21 -!- gbowne1 [~gbowne1@97-113-92-242.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #openbsd 19:22 < thrig> fuzzers can find some things, and totally miss other things (but I did discover as a result that the cpu on the fuzz system lacked adequate thermal paste) 19:23 < mischief> have you seen klee? it is very interesting 19:23 < mischief> https://github.com/klee/klee 19:24 < fro> sure fuzzing isn't meant to replace someone auditing the code 19:24 < fro> but someone doing that also misses things 19:24 < fro> it isn't some magical thing but it's still important 19:27 < avemestr> https://isopenbsdsecu.re/quotes/ was addressed on Reddit - here's a saved version of the Reddit post: https://pastesite.org/view/5bce4fd2 19:27 < avemestr> Seems stein has removed some of the quotes from his website since then. 19:28 -!- ClaudioM [claudiom@tilde.institute] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:29 < fro> removed some but not all 19:29 < fro> they're just sprinkled throughout the sections now 19:29 < fro> also most of the links are broken 19:29 < fro> unless you have a twitter account 19:29 < fro> which id on't 19:29 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 19:30 -!- ocra8 [ocra8@user/ocra8] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.2.2] 19:31 < avemestr> Fair enough. 19:32 < fro> doesn't matter really because that site will be around as long as stein is around 19:32 -!- vezhlys [~vezhlys@213.159.57.238] has joined #openbsd 19:32 < fro> and posted in every single thread about openbsd anywhere 19:32 -!- ocra8 [ocra8@user/ocra8] has joined #openbsd 19:33 < avemestr> One should always beware of hubris. The NFS and ipv6 might be Really Bad Stuff. Though at least the NFS stuff is somewhat common knowledge, I think... NFSv3 has been known to be insecure for years. 19:33 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has joined #openbsd 19:33 < Bradipo> The problem with most security discussions is they often have a rational discussion of risk. 19:33 < Bradipo> Often lack rather. 19:33 < fro> there's been better stuff recently from qualys 19:34 < fro> but qualys reports their findings to openbsd 19:34 < thrig> yeah they found some bad stuff(TM) in smtpd 19:34 < fro> no teaser videos 19:35 < fro> no lectures 19:35 < Bradipo> I wonder if iio7 has tried installing a new install to the drives... 19:35 < Bradipo> Does a "normal" install work? https://marc.info/?t=171383358800001&r=1&w=2 19:35 < Bradipo> Pity he's not here. 19:36 < Bradipo> Did qualys send a report to one of the mailing lists or something? 19:36 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 19:36 < fro> i think they report it directly 19:37 < fro> but no i was talking about the past couple years 19:37 -!- monkeybusiness [~monkeybus@monkeybusiness.shelltalk.net] has joined #openbsd 19:37 < fro> i don't know about anything from this year 19:37 < Bradipo> Ahh, ok, just in the past, got it. 19:37 -!- hussein1 [~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hussein1] has joined #openbsd 19:39 < hussein1> i experienced a power cut and now one of my openbsd machines has some files in /usr/lost+found. file says they are ELF files. how can I easily find out *which* elf files they are? 19:39 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 19:40 < Bradipo> You could look at their hash and reconcile maybe with the hashes out of the files from another system. 19:40 < sibiria> usually it's remnants from relinking process 19:41 < Bradipo> But I'm surprised... why would anything in usr end up in /usr/lost+found? 19:41 < Bradipo> Were you in the middle of an upgrade? Is /usr/local not mounted separately and you were adding packages? 19:41 < vortexx> hussein1: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=170398446208923&w=2 this may be of use 19:41 < sibiria> do you happen to be on 7.3 or older and have softdeps enabled? 19:42 < Bradipo> Again, my question of... why are there any files that would ever show up in /usr/lost+found... 19:42 < Bradipo> That's an odd place to have activity. 19:42 < hussein1> i was not in the middle of an upgrade. this system is 7.5. /usr has softdep enabled in fstab. 19:43 < sibiria> softdep doesn't do anything on 7.4 and newer, so it's not old remnants 19:43 < hussein1> this is my first time experiencing this, but i expect they were in /usr/bin 19:43 < Bradipo> What's the timestamp on the files? 19:43 < hussein1> like from ls -lah? 19:43 < Bradipo> Unless you were in the middle of making modifications to /usr (e.g. an upgrade) they are probably not relevant anymore. 19:44 < Bradipo> ls -l /usr/lost+found should be sufficient. 19:44 < vortexx> or maybe you were bulding a port? 19:44 < Bradipo> Or ports, or pkg_add. 19:44 < vortexx> that strews files all over the place 19:45 < Bradipo> Why softdep? 19:45 < thrig> grep relink /etc/* | grep /usr/ 19:45 < hussein1> /usr/local is not mounted separately. i was not building a port. i was not using the box at the time. 19:45 < ssm_> softdep is a no-op now (and I think it also was in 7.4) 19:45 < Bradipo> Oh right, I suppose the kernel relinking might happen in /usr ? 19:45 < ssm_> oh sibiria already mentioned 19:45 < hussein1> i doubt the kernel was being relinked because the box had an uptime of several days 19:46 < Bradipo> Ok, so if it had been up, no relink. 19:47 -!- dayid [~dayid@user/dayid] has quit [Quit: quit] 19:47 < hussein1> thrig: that returns 6 lines in /etc/rc: local..., # skip if..., and 4 lines beginning with for 19:47 < thrig> fascinating 19:49 < hussein1> ok i'm going to delete them and focus on getting my UPS up instead. thanks all 19:50 -!- leo_ [~leo@arioch.leonhardt.eu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:50 -!- dsrt^ [~cd@c-98-242-74-66.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50 -!- SirJitsu-work [~SirJitsu@66.103.232.138] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:54 -!- Nixkernal_ [~Nixkernal@240.17.194.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined #openbsd 19:55 -!- Nixkernal [~Nixkernal@240.17.194.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:55 -!- prime [~prime@user/prime] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:56 -!- fallback [fallback@2605:6400:20:b4:d215:d916:1183:4c75] has joined #openbsd 19:58 -!- penne [~penne@gateway/tor-sasl/penne] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00 -!- prime [~prime@user/prime] has joined #openbsd 20:00 -!- jab [~user@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- penne [~penne@gateway/tor-sasl/penne] has joined #openbsd 20:03 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04 -!- Saint_Tuesday [~saint@tuesday.ee] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 20:04 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 20:04 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:04 -!- jlmk [~jlmk@user/jlmk] has joined #openbsd 20:05 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:05 -!- izder456 [~user@71.89.105.76] has quit [Quit: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.3)] 20:05 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-124-122-47-143.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:06 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has joined #openbsd 20:06 -!- Saint_Tuesday [~saint@tuesday.ee] has joined #openbsd 20:07 -!- ikichiga [~ikichiga@95-24-1-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openbsd 20:08 -!- Oclair [~Oclair@nq3.aventia.pw] has quit [Quit: %Cya%] 20:08 -!- Oclair [~Oclair@nq3.aventia.pw] has joined #openbsd 20:10 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-124-122-47-143.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 20:14 -!- Nixkernal_ [~Nixkernal@240.17.194.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:15 -!- tarxvfz [~tarxvfz@gateway/tor-sasl/tarxvfz] has quit [Quit: tarxvfz] 20:17 -!- ikichiga [~ikichiga@95-24-1-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17 -!- ikichiga [~ikichiga@95-24-1-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openbsd 20:23 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:23 -!- sata [~sata@185.57.29.142] has joined #openbsd 20:25 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I'm no expert at all in web protection 20:52 < echelon> Bradipo: that doesn't look like it 20:53 -!- StellarOrbit [~StellarOr@host-68-169-128-93.BROOLT1.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:56 < pardis> the whole concept of a web application firewall is based on the premise that your web applications suck at security 20:56 < pardis> which is almost always true, but not really compatible with the OpenBSD security ethos 20:56 < pardis> OpenBSD usually tries to fix problems rather than paper over them 20:56 < echelon> i should check if this will compile https://github.com/corazawaf/coraza 20:56 -!- zanetti [~Thunderbi@2804:7f0:9b80:bf0:3110:cb2e:5719:119c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57 < echelon> well, i plan to use pledge/unveil, but i would also like to do some sort of ddos mitigation 20:57 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 20:57 -!- ikichiga [~ikichiga@95-24-1-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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