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00:46 < cjs> byteskeptical: ++ Thanks.
00:47 < cjs> That is a great improvement for persons looking to invest in new mobile and small form factor hardware for desktop usage.
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04:14 < pony> is this particular to openbsd? 'Only the super user can mount and unmount FUSE file systems.'
04:15 < pony> I'm trying to get a C program to work on openbsd (https://gittup.org/tup/index.html), but it wants to mount a FUSE file system. I don't want to run it as root, what can I do?
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04:17 < pony> I had some luck using this for guidance https://github.com/gittup/tup/commit/68c8bab4fcb18a61d18b78c1cf257e4a318b4ecb
04:18 < pony> I get to the point where tup tries to build itself but then https://bpa.st/THAA
04:21 < mischief> maybe you can change the permissions of /dev/fuse0. never tried it though.
04:22 < pony> I suppose that sounds like the right thing to do
04:25 < remiliascarlet> pony: This is the default behavior in every UNIX-like OS, not specifically an OpenBSD thing.
04:26 < remiliascarlet> It might be that if you're using some DE like Gnome or KDE, it'll alter the default behavior for you.
04:26 < pony> hmm, I tried tup under Ubuntu on WSL and it works fine without sudo
04:27 < remiliascarlet> Yeah, but Canonical makes so many changes to their distro, it's not even UNIX anymore.
04:27 < pony> fair :P
04:27 < pony> should I just do what mischief suggested?
04:27 < remiliascarlet> Or UNIX-like, because GNU's Not Unix.
04:27 < pony> also fair
04:28 < remiliascarlet> Never tried his suggestion before, because I simply use `doas` every time I mount and umount anything, so it's just natural to me.
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04:29 < pony> not sure I want to run my build system as root though!
04:29 < pony> I guess I'll try changing the permissions
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04:30 < mischief> i seem to be able to use sshfs as a non root user on gentoo just fine
04:31 < pony> it just changed 'Permission denied' to 'Operation not permitted' :P
04:31 < pony> hmm
04:31 < coyote> remiliascarlet: FUSE on Linux allows for non-privileged users to make user mounts.  It’s not a thing distros add or whatever
04:32 < coyote> Id assume it’s the same on NetBSD since Tup works there unprivileged 
04:33 < remiliascarlet> coyote: I had to use sudo or doas on Artix, Devuan, Void, and CRUX too though.
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04:35 < coyote> Then the binaries weren’t setuid as they normally are
04:39 < pony> should I use setuid and maybe pledge or something?
04:39 < pony> I'm fine with editing the source code
04:40 < remiliascarlet> coyote: Or perhaps the binaries weren't set normally on your distro.
04:40 < coyote> No? In all the distros I’ve used fusermount is always setuid 
04:41 < coyote> pony: probably not a good idea, setuid on a program that essentially runs other programs sounds like a recipe for disaster
04:41 < pony> good point
04:41 < pony> is there anything I can do?
04:42 < coyote> I think there’s no easy way to port it to OpenBSD without having user mounts for FUSE, I tried doing the same a couple months ago and came to the same conclusion
04:42 < pony> all right
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07:09 < remiliascarlet> You know what's strange? I can do `man grdc` to bring up the manpage for it, but executing `grdc` by itself gives me a "command not found" error, neither does it seem to be present in neither /bin nor /usr/bin.
07:10 < IcePic> could be in libexec, /usr/games or some other place where there are binaries with manpages without existing in /*bin
07:10 < IcePic> and /sbin /usr/sbin also
07:11 < remiliascarlet> Already checked the sbin directories, but it's not there.
07:11 < remiliascarlet> Found it in /usr/games.
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08:30 < KE0VVT> Hi. I have been searching the web for a list of programs that are in OpenBSD base tree. Where can I find it? I don't currently have an OpenBSD system installed.
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09:00 < IcePic> KE0VVT: depends on which format one needs to have. The packing lists to make the install sets are crude but very close to the truth: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/distrib/sets/lists/base/mi?rev=1.1127&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
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14:31 < MiniontobyPI> byteskeptical:can you help me fix it?
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14:31 < MiniontobyPI> I found most rules just on the internet, tho
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14:36 < MiniontobyPI> Oh with the "pass quick on gre proto gre no state" that will work, since gre0 is part of the gre group
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15:15 < echkourine25> https://pastebin.com/XPjtsnEX
15:16 < echkourine25> I tried [ipv6]:8080/test but it is not reachable through google chrome
15:17 < echkourine25> im running nodejs
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15:20 < thrig> a fe80 address won't get you very far
15:22 < echkourine25> ?
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15:24 < sibiria> echkourine25: fe80/10 is ipv6 link-local
15:24 < sibiria> those addresses exist only on the specific interfaces they're set on
15:24 < Jadi> hoorayy. connecting from my newly installed OpenBSD on my laptop. first time using BSD out of VMs. 
15:25 < sibiria> if you're testing on firefox on the very same openbsd machine, try adding the zone index to the end
15:26 < sibiria> e.g. fe80::...%em0
15:26 < echkourine25> is there a tool a cat reach html page ?
15:26 < echkourine25> like curl inside the base system
15:26 < sibiria> ping/ping6, ftp
15:27 < echkourine25> ping6: sendmsg: Network is unreachable
15:27 < echkourine25> ping: wrote fe80::20c:29ff:fe6e:fc45 64 chars, ret=-1
15:27 < sibiria> because you have no external ipv6 address
15:27 < echkourine25> its from local
15:27 < sibiria> add the zone identifier
15:28 < sibiria> fe80:...%em0
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15:28 < echkourine25> it works on ping6 but not on google chrome
15:28 < sibiria> ipv6 link-local addresses exist only on specific interfaces, so you must also in the address specify which interface
15:29 < sibiria> it's shown exactly in your ifconfig output: fe80::20c:29ff:fe6e:fc45%em0
15:29 < sibiria> %em0 is part of the address
15:29 < sibiria> or fe80::1%lo0 (loop-back)
15:29 < sibiria> etc.
15:30 < echkourine25> it dont works from the root host$
15:30 < echkourine25> ping6: UDP connect: No route to host
15:31 < sibiria> i bet you this works, unless you are blocking icmp6 in pf:   ping6 fe80::20c:29ff:fe6e:fc45%em0
15:31 < echkourine25> pf is empty
15:32 < echkourine25> but I sounds weird to had %em0 to address
15:32 < Bradipo> Welcome to the world of IPv6.
15:32 < sibiria> echkourine25: it's how ipv6 works for -->> LINK-LOCAL ADDRESSES <<--
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15:36 < echkourine25> hum i dont see the device on the WiFi network sim box
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15:57 < MiniontobyPI> byteskeptical: I will be waiting for your response
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16:24 < echkourine25> I want to send signal to a programm to stop but kill is not found
16:27 < sibiria> uh...
16:27 < sibiria> kill -SIGKILL <pid>    or    kill -9 <pid>
16:28 < sibiria> man kill <- to see signal names/numbers
16:31 < echkourine25> is here an a simple network app in base system that I can use ?
16:31 < echkourine25> netcat for example
16:31 < thrig> netcat is called nc
16:31 < sibiria> nc = openbsd netcat
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17:52 < echkourine25> block in inet all;block in inet6 all;pass inet6 in on em0 proto tcp port 8080 from all;pass inet in on em0 proto tcp port 22 from 192.168.1.185
17:52 < echkourine25> But it dont filter ipv4 packets
17:52 < echkourine25> I'm able to access through port 8080 and ipv4
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17:54 < echkourine25> but ipv6 failling
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17:58 < mischief> did you flush your states when reloading the rules
17:59 < mischief> also, shouldn't it be <pass|block> <direction> <protocol>? you seem to have it swapped.
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18:07 < sibiria> i get the feeling you still have only link-local interfaces, and are not providing the zone identifier when addressing them
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18:11 < echkourine25> well I ill go to setup AAAA record
18:12 < sibiria> i'm talking about the network interfaces on your openbsd machine
18:13 < echkourine25> Yes is the ipv6 go through the router ?
18:13 < Bradipo> fe80 addresses do not route.
18:13 < echkourine25> :(
18:13 < sibiria> if your interfaces on openbsd only have fe80 addresses then you can never reach them from the outside
18:13 < echkourine25> fe80 is like 127 ?
18:13 < sibiria> yes, they are similar
18:13 < sibiria> not same; but similar
18:14 < sibiria> only available on the host
18:14 < Bradipo> They are more like RFC1918 addresses.
18:14 < Bradipo> Except they can never be routed.
18:15 < Bradipo> link-local means they are only available on the LAN to which they are directly attached.
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18:15 < sibiria> best description is that it's a large "localhost" network, but isolated to each specific interface
18:15 < sibiria> echkourine25: openbsd does not have ipv6 dhcp, if your router uses that to assign addresses
18:15 < Bradipo> ::1 and fe80::1%lo0 are like "localhost".
18:15 < sibiria> for ipv6 it has slaac in base system, nothing else
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18:16 < Bradipo> grep localhost /etc/hosts
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18:17 < echkourine25> is there a dhcp configuration for domain name
18:17 < echkourine25> auto name in dns
18:17 < echkourine25> ipv4 or ipv6 whatever
18:17 < uwharrie> if you mean dynamic DNS, then no, dhcpleased doesn't do that
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18:18 < uwharrie> if you mean dhcpd passing the domain name, see dhcpd.conf(5)
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18:19 < sibiria> you need to install (and configure) "dhcpcd" for ipv6 dhcp
18:19 < sibiria> -> pkg_add -U dhcpcd
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18:33 < echkourine25> thanks
18:34 < echkourine25> I'm not sure but I will look
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21:49 < thyssentishman> anyone here with a thinkpad L14 gen 5 using OpenBSD?
21:50 < thyssentishman> I'm thinking of getting one but can't find any reviews and specially not from OpenBSD users
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21:53 < avemestr> Does a L14 Gen 5 even exist at this time?
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21:53 < avemestr> I only see L14 Gen 4 (Intel and AMD editions).
21:54 < thyssentishman> you can get it in Germany apparently
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21:55 < thyssentishman> https://www.lenovo.com/de/de/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadl/lenovo-thinkpad-l14-gen-5-(14-inch-amd)/len101t0090
21:56 < thyssentishman> seems pretty upgradable and it doesn't really bring any bleeding edge hardware (like those AI NPUs thank god)
21:56 < thyssentishman> maybe anyone with a L14 gen 4?
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21:58 < avemestr> I'd check if the wifi card is replaceable. Some modern Thinkpads (eg. T14 gen 3 + 4 with AMD CPU) use some soldered Broadcom for wifi, which limits you to 802.11g speeds in OpenBSD for now.
21:59 < thyssentishman> it is :)
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22:00 < thyssentishman> also two sodimm slots (up to 64gb) and replaceable ssd and keyboard
22:01 < thyssentishman> *the Intel version does include a NPU
22:01 < thyssentishman> but I'd go for the AMD
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22:01 < thyssentishman> https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/unleashing-innovation-and-better-sustainability-of-lenovos-latest-thinkpad-l-series-and-x-series-laptops/
22:02 < avemestr> Eeeh, I meant Qualcomm: https://man.openbsd.org/qwx.4
22:03 < avemestr> I see a L14 G5 AMD with Qualcomm NFA725: https://www.lapstars.de/lenovo-thinkpad-l14-amd-g5-21l50014ge.html
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22:04 < avemestr> The press release from Lenovo do not mention the possibility of replacing the wifi card, does it? It mentions WWAN but that's for cellular network - not wifi.
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22:09 < avemestr> Stefan Sperling (stsp@) has done great work with the qwx driver, but I would not consider a laptop with that wifi card as a /daily driver/. https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=170954296020562&w=2
22:10 < avemestr> But anyways, I'd love a new AMD thinkpad as well, but the penny pinchers at Lenovo has decided to only use Intel wifi on the Intel models... or did Intel force their hand? The plot thickens!
22:14 < thyssentishman> I think you're right about the WiFi card :(
22:15 < thyssentishman> the t14 gen 5 seems to be very upgradable too, but that's more bleeding edge and I fear it won't be very compatible with openbsd
22:15 < thyssentishman> the t14 gen 5 AMD version is supposed to come out next month
22:15 < thyssentishman> the Intel version is already out
22:16 < avemestr> I'd go for a T14s Gen 2 AMD if I could find one new. They're cheap nowadays and everything ought to just work. Also a strong upgrade from the L-series you consider.
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22:52 < mischief> the qualcomm chipsets in the new thinkpads are not very good imo, but YMMV
22:52 < mischief> they are also soldered on unfortunately
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23:03  * oldlaptop mutters something about no thinkpads having been manufactured for about ten years
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23:51 < ssm_> frame.work :)
23:51 < ssm_> also pine64, system76, [weird kickstarter open hardware computer here]
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--- Log closed Sat Apr 27 00:00:02 2024