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00:03 < vortexx> haha and it did
00:04 < vortexx> I can traceroute from inside then network but not the router
00:04 < vortexx> traceroute: sendto: Permission denied
00:04 < vortexx> which can only be pf of course
00:04 < vortexx> all I did was add a white list table
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01:07 < vortexx> btw I moved an APU2 router from one network to another... It was configured with failover trunk interface so you can plug a mobile phone on urndis0 into it when LAN uplink fails. Moving to new network it wouldn't route a thing, I had to unconfigure trunk and just run normally on the em0 interface. Everything worked off that as it should. Very strange. Even had sh /etc/netstart running every 5 mins in 
01:07 < vortexx> cron to try and make trunk work but nothing did it
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01:33 < mischief> vortexx: cant you do that with like ifstated?
01:35 < vortexx> mischief: probably yes
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01:36 < vortexx> it's not so much of a requirement for now, mainly due to phone provider issues ( mobile access point features seem disactivated claiming power management needs to be turned off but it might be an upstream issue)
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05:36 < rkta> Stackoverflow/Cloudfare blocks Debian's w3m, but OpenBSD works. I see no meaningful difference in build flags. Does anyone here has an idea, what could be the difference? It's not the user agent string.
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05:53 < avemestr> Cloudflare have a "if (OS == "OpenBSD") trusted = true;" somewhere in their code.
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07:17 < remiliascarlet> If OS == "OpenBSD", trust me brah.
07:23 < lts> My biggest worry with OpenBSD is about blindly trusting port maintainers
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07:31 < quinq> As opposed to blindly trusting $linux_distro port maintainer
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07:37 < avemestr> lts: Do you have some other implementable model in mind?
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07:44 < remiliascarlet> The difference is, in OpenBSD you only install a port if you need to. In Linux you install 3rd party packages just to have a functioning system to begin with.
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07:48 < metavoid> lts: many port maintainers are openbsd devs as well
07:50 < metavoid> I don't think there are anything blind here though
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08:05 < Lucas6023> and many maintainers are not-devs
08:06 < Lucas6023> or many port devs are mostly port devs and not whole-system devs, so to say
08:06 < remiliascarlet> Most of the ports are in fact not part of the OpenBSD operating system.
08:07 < avemestr> I'm just wondering what better models exists out there.
08:08 < metavoid> maybe define the current model first
08:08 < remiliascarlet> At least 26 ports are not made by the OpenBSD dev team.
08:09 < avemestr> "Trust us! Best regards, Microsoft/IBM/HP/CA/Intel/Fujitsu/Qualcomm/Samsung".
08:10 < metavoid> In the end, you can only trust stuff that you made your self.
08:10 < avemestr> The current model is trusting individuals that contribute to a project that - as far as I know - has not experienced situations with compromises.
08:11 < metavoid> its quite transparent, so its possible to look up how a port made it into the ports tree and by whom, which source is used, what patches and options are applied..
08:11 < avemestr> Yes.
08:12 < avemestr> But it was lts who is worried about this model. So all I'm asking is for some better way to do things, if the current model causes worry.
08:13 < metavoid> (not talking to you :P)
08:13 < avemestr> ;-)
08:16 < metavoid> also maintainers that send patches upstream is pretty damn nice too
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08:43 < lts> I did not say I had a better model in mind, just that ports trustworthiness is my biggest worry. I don't know if there are some review systems in place where at least multiple state acto.. I mean multiple accounts would need to approve any changes
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08:48 < metavoid> lts: well, fear and worries is often caused by lack of understanding of the subject
08:48 < metavoid> you didn't even bother look into it?
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08:51 < lts> I know https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html says "The ports collection does not go through the same thorough security audit that is performed on the OpenBSD base system. Although we strive to keep the quality of the packages high, we just do not have enough resources to ensure the same level of robustness and security." and I see openbsd-ports mailing list containing diffs. But no, I don't have
08:51 < lts> a 100% warm and fuzzy feeling that a malicious attempt would be caught, something xz style or when ports otherwise load external sources
08:52 < metavoid> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html
08:52 < metavoid> read this
08:52 < metavoid> and you will understand the process, hopefully.
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08:55 < metavoid> If you believe there are some preterhuman intelligence somewhere in the process that unconditionally can catch everything, probably not.
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09:01 < lts> Thanks for the guide link. It does give more assurance
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11:39 < avemestr> The OpenBSD devs got somewhat lucky in regards to the xz issue... It didn't make it to 7.5 due to timing. OTOH IIRC the exploit actually did some "if OS = 'Linux' then" and was relying somewhat on systemd, if memory serves, but the code itself might have made it into OpenBSD.
11:41 < zelest> Both yes and no I'd sa
11:41 < zelest> say*
11:41 < zelest> A program with pledge, without exec, would have a hard time executing /bin/bash, even if bash is installed :P
11:41 < avemestr> :D
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11:42 < RobbieAB> My understanding is the payload required xz to be linked into openssh
11:42 < RobbieAB> Which happened in Linux through being linked into systemd which many distros patch into openssh
11:42 < avemestr> https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/1cd8s9w/openbsd_is_a_cozy_operating_system/ < interesting comment from phessler on the subject.
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11:44 < avemestr> On the other hand.. if it is a constant fear of state actors one has, I'm pretty sure the three letter agencies have select people in Redmond, Armonk and Santa Clare on speed-dial...
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11:45 < zelest> Also, the backdoor was found pretty quickly anyway
11:45 < Posterdati> hi
11:45 < zelest> Posterdati, Hi
11:45 < zelest> As for OpenBSD, the port is still on 5.4.5 in -current.
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11:45 < RobbieAB> avemestr: That thread is interesting, but doesn't invalidate the point that it would have been harmless in OpenBSD
11:46 < Posterdati> is anyone experience xorg freezes when using firefox-esr playing videos? Thanks!
11:46 < avemestr> zelest: Not by the maintainers of the popular linux distros, IIRC, but some postgresql dude who wondered why his ssh was milliseconds slower than normal :-)
11:46 < avemestr> RobbieAB: True, agree.
11:46 < RobbieAB> zelest: So the world got lucky because the malware was badly implemented. Not a great basis for confidence.
11:46 < zelest> RobbieAB, Fair point
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11:47 < avemestr> But the fact that some guy - whose job was not to catch this exploit - was able to do so kinda validates the open source argument, doesn't it?
11:48 < zelest> The way the infosec world has CVSS to rate vulns, opensource software should have some similar scoring system to rate how a project is audited. E.g, is it a single developer with mental health issues writing the code or is it a team of 100 devs where at least 3 devs needs to OK every diff. :)
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11:48 < RobbieAB> Oh, absolutely. The really interesting thing is, there would have been a bunch of groups who almost certainly would have noticed that one once it hit their systems.
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11:49 < avemestr> Compared to say, a closed source company paying somebody to implement an exploit in their own software and the paid employees that test and release stuff to ignore the abnormal change suddenly introduced...
11:49 < zelest> I noticed that my website had tons of bots scanning for vulnerable web applications this morning.. Nothing unusual per say, what stood out though, was that every request came from a different IP.. :o
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11:57 < Seven7Up> hi everyone. i have a little question; does bsd.rd actually blocks `block devices` from being interacted. i mean the kernel detects (printed on dmesg) 3 available sd disks, but nothing found in /dev, therefore; opendev fails to open them (fdisk and disklabel).
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11:57 < Seven7Up> i know it sounds weird but that's what's going on with me?!??
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11:59 < quinq> Seven7Up, you might need to create the devices by running MAKEDEV in /dev/
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12:01 < sibiria> yeah exit to shell and see if the device nodes exist in /dev and if not you just makedev the ones that are missing
12:02 < sibiria> you can resume to the installer with "install"
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12:03 < Seven7Up> oh thanks
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12:08 < Seven7Up> ok, hehe, i worked. i think i need A LOT to learn
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12:19 < Seven7Up> btw, how ID A6 partition type (aka OpenBSD partition) is different from ext4, fat32, ntfs, .... According to the FAQ: `Normally, only one OpenBSD fdisk partition will be placed on a disk and that partition will then be subdivided into disklabel partitions`. hey, fdisk != disklabel??
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12:24 < Seven7Up> the weird part is the `fdisk partition`. i know that the disk is normaly divided into several partitions, i've never heard about subpartition before.
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12:27 < sibiria> fdisk deals with what you're normally familiar with as partitions
12:28 < sibiria> openbsd's own "subpartitions" all live inside a single partition
12:28 < sibiria> they are usually called labels. disklabel is the tool for dealing with those
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12:35 < Seven7Up> so openbsd actually only understands disklabels architecture, the normal disk partitions are somehow translated into disklabels, i mean the partition 0 of a disk becomes disklabel `i` if i'm right.
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12:36 < sibiria> "i" is a special curious case
12:37 < sibiria> openbsd sort of "locks" onto the A6 partition type of each disk and presents that as the actual device
12:37 < sibiria> sd0, sd1, sd2 etc., and then openbsd's actual file systems (labels) are the suffixed letter, e.g. sd1a, sd3e etc.
12:38 < zelest> where 'c' is the entire disk
12:38 < sibiria> label "c" is also a curious special case, yeah
12:38 < zelest> (just to confuse us some more :D)
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12:40 < sibiria> at first glance the scheme may seem convoluted, but it has the benefit that openbsd doesn't spread out across the disk. it settles entirely inside a single partition to avoid having pieces of it being overwritten by mistake
12:41 < sibiria> and on the inside, in openbsd, it still achieves file system level separation all the same as other OSes normally do with multiple partitions in the MBR/EFI
12:41 < sibiria> MBR/GPT*
12:48 < Seven7Up> haha i actually understood what is going on. thanks sibiria. another benefit (from my perspective) is i have now 16 (-3) partitions-like. anyway thank you a lot. i appreciate your answers. (including zelest)
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16:34 < labrnth> good morning, any network folks here aware of being able to run multicast pim sparse-mode on OpenBSD 7.4? Looks like PIM was removed after OpenBSD 6.0. I know thare a user-space daemon avaiable but it wont compile on OpenBSD as netinet/pim.h is no longer available.
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16:35 < labrnth> Trying to get Bonjour/mDNS working between two routers (one Juniper router and one OpenBSD)
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16:56 < mischief> labrnth: does avahi not work?
16:57 < MiniontobyPI> someone else able to help me with my packet filter for my GRE tunnel?
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18:21 < Maddie> Does "/bsd" not have a man page?
18:21 < Maddie> MiniontobyPI: Please don't ask to ask and just ask instead: https://dontasktoask.com/
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18:25 < mischief> Maddie: closest thing might be config(8) or boot(8)
18:25 < mischief> it's just the kernel, so..
18:26 < metavoid> maybe https://man.ifconfig.se/options.4
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18:27 < thrig> or submit a bsd(8) that links to other docs
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18:29 < Maddie> Thank you mischief.
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18:40 < phy1729> Maddie: man hier
18:42 < Maddie> Thank you phy1729, never heard of it before.
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18:50 < MiniontobyPI> Maddie: I have explained my issue before several times
18:50 < MiniontobyPI> I got a public protected ipv6 subnet that I can 'claim' using a GRE tunnel. I have set up the tunnel, and I am receiving packets from the tunnel. However, they are not being processed. It seems that when I disable my pf, then it does try to send a reply, but directly to the requester ip, instead of throu the tunnel.
18:51 < MiniontobyPI> My 'current' (not really anymore, most stuff is commented out) pf.conf is located here: https://pastebin.com/hTYWA52Q
18:55 < Maddie> Sorry I do not know anything about GRE tunnels but hopefully someone else does.
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19:36 < labrnth> mischief: Avahi does work on OpenBSD but it's also quite bloated, I'd rather use multicast/PIM to provide what I need as it just needs to be a reflector running on an OpenBSD router connected to a Juniper router
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19:37 < labrnth> if thats possible but from what I'm seeing the userspace PIM-SM doesn't work on OpenBSD
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19:50 < mischief> i just compiled https://github.com/troglobit/pimd on my machine, but i didn't run it. maybe give it a shot?
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20:20 < Seven7Up> hi everyone (again 2). i not using openbsd (temporarily), i am trying to include the right wireless firmware (`iwn-firmware-5.11p1.tgz`) to the installation media (usb), (can't use ethernet). anyway i managed to escape the write protection and create a new partition on install75.img (fdisk and losetup here in linux) to add the right files to mount them before running the `install` script. because i 
20:20 < Seven7Up> haven't used openbsd before, i don't know how and where firmwares are usually located on the filesystem. any help? (btw i guess is this `https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/fw_update/fw_update.sh#L371`)
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20:24 < vortexx> Seven7Up: firmware normally resides in /etc/firmware
20:24 < vortexx> man rdsetroot might help with modifying the bsd.rd
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20:24 < sibiria> you can point fw_update to your firmware file and it'll do the right thing
20:25 < vortexx> (if you're trying to mount ffs on linux you need to recompile the module to enable rw, it's a bit of a pita)
20:26 < Seven7Up> vortexx: after looking again in the code, i thing i missed the right line (https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/fw_update/fw_update.sh#L381)
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20:29 < Seven7Up> i am sorry if i am annoying you. i a new member here, just trying to get a better understanding of the OpenBSD system. anyway i digging correctly i guess. thank you anyway.
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20:29 < metavoid> not sure what else we would talk about here
20:30 < vortexx> you're not annoying us don't worry
20:31 < vortexx> many a person has wanted to include firmware in the bsd.rd because they're on wifi only at install
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20:32 < metavoid> Seven7Up: any reason you can't use an additional usb stick?
20:32 < Seven7Up> actually i can
20:33 < metavoid> https://dev.to/jmarhee/configuring-wifi-firmware-at-installation-for-openbsd-25pl
20:33 < metavoid> maybe try something like this
20:33 < Seven7Up> the only issue was i missed the location
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20:34 < Seven7Up> metavoid: oh that's accurate, thanks
20:34 < metavoid> https://man.openbsd.org/fw_update
20:34 < metavoid> "Firmware is downloaded from release-specific directories at http://firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/. The files are in the format required by pkg_add(1), but direct use of pkg_add is discouraged."
20:35 < metavoid> might be good enough anyway
20:35 < metavoid> fw_update takes path too
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20:43 < vortexx> https://fuguita.org/?FuguIta/BBS#od721234 <-- Fuguita, which is based on OpenBSD. This article shows how to add firmware to the bsd.rd using rdsetroot. Caveat is the limited disk space available
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21:53 < polarian> alright I got a question, and it originates from Linux folks murdering me over it... OpenBSD only has FFS, I read some of the threads in the mailing list archives... does anyone here run OpenBSD servers and has experience in data integrity on servers... (very similar to the ext4 vs btrfs argument on Linux hence why I said it originated from there)
21:53 < polarian> I have got*
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22:02 < tommyrot> don't be afraid to acknowledge openbsd sometimes isn't the best solution
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22:04 < thrig> ext has given me way more problems than ffs ever did. btrfs didn't get unsucky (did it?) before I got out of linux
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22:15 < zwr> well, I've had filesystem corruption on both ext4 and btrfs, but not on ffs. And I didn't even use them very much, on Linux I usually went with XFS which despite having received a lot more use from me never had corruption issues
22:16 < thrig> xfs was prone to randomly mounting itself read-only, but that was back in the early 2000s
22:18 < thrig> reiserfs also did something horrible, etc
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22:19 < bountyht> XFS used to be prone to recude your files to 0-byte length on unclean mounts.
22:19 < bountyht> I hope it is better now
22:19 < bountyht> reduce*
22:20 < bountyht> polarian: I don't have complaints about FFS' capability of keeping the integrity of the files. IO performance still sucks, though.
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22:21 < thrig> oh yeah there was also a Very Expensive netapp that had a file that if anything touched (e.g. by ls, find) the netapp would crash
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22:33 < vortexx> OpeBSD does have FFS2 now, which is the default. Only time I've had problems with FFS when was filling a software raid partition to close to 100%, things started going haywire but files were recoverable
22:33 < vortexx> didn't help that the drives started dying very soon after getting close to 100%
22:34 < thrig> a user ran their NTFS laptop at a 100% full for a while (they were warned not to) and ended up with a filesystem with hard loops in it
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22:42 < polarian> bountyht: I'm more referencing bit rot
22:43 < polarian> some people argue its a non-issue, and some people argue that if you don't run btrfs/xfs/zfs (even on desktop) you are fucked 
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22:43 < polarian> I'm not a data scientist.. I have no clue how common it is... I know its possible... but has OpenBSD actually got issues with rotting away?
22:44 < polarian> I hear a lot of Linux people name it as a reason to avoid openbsd 
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22:44 < polarian> and to use freebsd with openzfs instead... because without checksumming you may as well not have data
22:45 < polarian> I saw there was a talk on OpenBSD nas at I believe it was EuroBSDCon... but they had some fancy things for their NAS.
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22:51 < thrig> I've seen linux happily corrupt files, and my mail delivery agent checksums what it tries to write, and anything else on the virt could be reinstalled, restored from backup, or synced from git. sooo... eh. don't really need a fancy fs
22:56 < polarian> thrig: well currently for Linux I run ext4... I believe that compression and snapshotting just adds additional complexity... but then in any Linux chat I get shat on for not using a checksumming fs...
22:57 < vortexx> polarian: FFS runs just fine without all those bells and whistles. This issue comes up over at misc@ fairly often and there's plenty of answers that things work fine, but that doesn't exclude having to do backups of course.
22:57 < polarian> OpenBSD is FFS ofc
22:57 < vortexx> sometimes after a powercut one of my APU2s needs a manual fsck but that's not unusual really and no files ever seem to be damaged
22:58 < polarian> vortexx: I have read some of them... some people argue that you should write your own scripts to checksum your data... and some people suggest a CLI tool (forgot its name) which checksums the filesystem to a sqlite dB and you can run it as a cron task
22:58 < pony> but what fs should we backup onto? :o
22:58 < polarian> ^^^ that's a good question 
22:58 < zwr> one issue with FFS is that sometimes I don't know if people mean For Fuck's Sake or Fast FileSystem
22:58 < polarian> also backup solutions have become heated
22:58 < vortexx> polarian: you can use mtree to keep check of when files get modified, so it could work as a checksummer
22:59 < rnelson> zwr: I *always* assume the former then realize I'm watching conversations about filesystems and get confused
22:59 < polarian> encrypted tarballs are simply and easy IMO... but don't de-duplicate... Linux folks suggest synthing... but it seems like a big codebase with useless features to do something so simple (copy the data)
22:59 < polarian> what do people use on OpenBSD?
23:00 < zwr> dump(8) I imagine
23:00 < vortexx> rsync is nice too
23:00 < polarian> vortexx: however how important is checksumming?
23:00 < vortexx> but I use duplicity for my backups
23:00 < polarian> if it literally life or death?
23:00 < polarian> is*
23:01 < vortexx> I've never been super concerned with checksumming, although I do use ZFS on my laptop
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23:01 < polarian> I assume thats for snapshotting and not checksumming though?
23:01 < zwr> compression would be nice, I have a lot of compressible data. It can also give you a little more performance on slow hard drives.
23:01 < vortexx> mainly for the snapshoting ability
23:02 < polarian> compression lowers performance no? CPU has to decompress data 
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23:02 < vortexx> depends on the compression algo, some are pretty low on CPU usage
23:02 < thrig> xz all the things
23:02 < zwr> it does consume CPU but whether it's faster or slower depends on storage. CPUs are going to have trouble decompressing at speeds the latest NVME SSDs can provide
23:03 < polarian> The thing with filesystem's, ext4/UFS/FFS are all stable... I don't get the big move to go to a new "modern" FS... one bug and your data is fucked.
23:03 < zwr> but you can decompress a fast compression algorithm at over 1GB/s on a 10yo+ CPU
23:04 < vortexx> that's where having a 40 year old filesystem comes in, 40 years of possible bugs have mostly if not nearly all been worked out and solved
23:04 < thrig> https://www.pointsoftware.ch/2014/02/05/linux-filesystems-part-4-ext4-vs-ext3-and-why-delayed-allocation-is-bad/
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23:06 < polarian> well one way I was considering doing backups sparked from an idea on the OpenBSD ML, setup a cron task to make daily/weekly backups which last a few weeks and then every month make a permanent long term backup... encrypt it symmetrically (the way to encrypt it currently unknown though :P), and then copy it to a storage server which can index it.
23:07 < polarian> therefore you always have short term backups and long term backups (if short term doesn't work)
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23:07 < polarian> although the downside is the scaling of storage required for full backups
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23:09 < polarian> thrig: isn't this just another example of GNU coreutils being shite?
23:09 < vortexx> you could just use the openssl command with whichever cipher you'd like
23:09 < polarian> vortexx: read an article this is insecure 
23:09 < thrig> filesystems have little if nothing to do with coreutils
23:09 < polarian> and read age fixed it
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23:10 < polarian> something like "don't use AES256, use age"
23:11 < vortexx> if AES256 is vulnerable (it could well be, it's over 20 years old now) it'd be news all over the place in the IT world
23:11 < vortexx> AES256 also has the advantage of having hw accel
23:12 < polarian> vortexx: weak key derivation I believe it was
23:12 < polarian> and critical security vulnerabilities in openssl CLI making is suboptimal implementation
23:12 < polarian> also I see people recommend blowfish over AES256
23:13 < vortexx> does that apply to the openssl cli command in OpenBSD? Because that's not the OpenSSL implementation one iirc
23:14 < polarian> AES256 is used for government data iirc
23:14 < polarian> vortexx: not sure... would need to ask libressl devs
23:15 < polarian> but again this is something Linux and BSD users fight over
23:15 < mischief> pretty sure us just announced a required migration to pq crypto by 2035 or something
23:15 < polarian> gnutls is increasingly more recommended on Linux, while OpenBSD has its own fork of openssl... and both sides say "mine is better"
23:16 < polarian> mischief: yes... but them cyphers aren't tested yet... I find the push to PQ could be a terrible idea...
23:17 < vortexx> mostly we don't pay attention in here to fights Linux people want to pick but I'll take your word for it
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23:18 < thrig> libressl lacks elliptic support, so sucks if you need that
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23:18 < polarian> I'm in both... because I use both... so its always a pain to figure out when to use what.
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23:20 < vortexx> just pick the right tool for the job. OpenBSD works for many things, but not for bluetooth, so I have to use Linux for that
23:21 < vortexx> I have way more peace of mind using OpenBSD
23:21 < zwr> having less knobs to turn and breakage to fix is great
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23:23 < polarian> haha I went looking for TLS comparisons, libressl gets ignored...
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23:25 < polarian> vortexx: I got attacked by a Linux user a few weeks back for choosing OpenBSD for router... I should have picked Linux and hardened it... MAC + multiple nested layers of isolation + secure boot (still an ongoing thing people use to complain about OpenBSD not supporting). So "piece of mind" also has the social impact...
23:26 < zwr> to be honest, secure boot integration on openbsd would be nice. although it's rather useless on my current motherboard because a CMOS reset clears custom keys
23:26 < vortexx> well if you like reflashing wifi routers with your own linux image I'm sure that's fun and all, but SELinux is completely obtuse to me, so is AppArmor and I don't want to reinvent the wheel each time I want a router
23:26 < polarian> although IMO openbsd is amazing for routing... simple... base system is secure... and syspatch on the base system is extremely rare... it could run for months and likely still be secure... unlike Linux which needs weekly or biweekly security patches... and reboots to load new kernels. I don't get why I can't use what I want without getting attacked. 
23:27 < thrig> social primates gonna tribe
23:27 < polarian> of course it needs a release update every 6 months...
23:27 < vortexx> secure boot can be achieved with OpenBSD, someone posted a guide to that on misc@ the other day. You do need grub for it though iirc
23:27 < zwr> I did it without grub, I installed my keys onto the motherboard and I signed OpenBSD's bootloader, but it was a pain to have to redo it
23:28 < thrig> hopefully grub don't have any more gets style password bugs, etc
23:28 < zwr> would be nice if installboot signed it
23:28 < polarian> vortexx: I sit around DivestOS... the suggestion there is redhat does all the policies, just use theirs
23:28 < zwr> I installed the keys from a Linux partition too because there's no OpenBSD support
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23:29 < vortexx> zwr: yeah I looked at doing that too but in the end I don't care enough I guess, at least for my home laptop
23:29 < polarian> I don't get the big craze for secure boot...
23:30 < mischief> zwr: surely you could use the ESP
23:30 < polarian> if you use FDE, to inject a malicious kernel they would need to decrypt your storage media... and if they wanted to do it on a live system they would need to get root privileges... at which point you have already been pwned...
23:30 < vortexx> polarian: that doesn't sound great, seeing how RedHat is now IBM and IBM has all kinds of gov contracts. But people trust in all kinds of things, why not in "they wrote the policies, we're good"
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23:31 < zwr> secure boot just makes it a little harder for the people who want to steal your cat pictures to put in a fake bootloader that steals your FDE key, now they can't just boot anything, they have to physically fiddle with your motherboard to get it to boot something you didn't sign, which in my case is as simple as a CMOS reset
23:31 < zwr> microsoft also uses it to lock people out from installing non-windows OSes on some machines
23:33 < polarian> vortexx: I don't get it... I believe in simplicity, meanwhile Linux continues to go down the Microsoft path... which has caused a conflict for me... I no longer want Linux yet I have no choice... migrating everything to BSD would take months... and would need to be done progressively... plus I have used Linux for 5-6 years... FreeBSD is just a few months (on my Laptop) and OpenBSD for 1.5 years for routing (aka just a gateway to my ISP)
23:33 < thrig> alpine linux isn't really the microsoft path
23:34 < polarian> I have bad experience with alpine 
23:34 < polarian> a friend of mine says its great... no gnu shite and is lightweight and simple
23:34 < polarian> but I have an issue with openrc
23:35 < polarian> it always breaks... and the openrc scripts in alpine packages never worked for me... I had to often patch them myself and it was a giant headache... 
23:35 < vortexx> it's very hard to move when you've invested 5+ years in a platform, I can see that. You'd have to evaluate app by app, and there are some that just aren't available or have equivalents on OpenBSD (Steam, Discord...)
23:36 < vortexx> heh I can remember when gentoo introduced openrc, I jumped to that and it did actually work but that was just for running on the laptop
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23:36 < polarian> I thought void Linux would be a good middle ground, runit seemed like a genuinely good init system which is simple and worked well... and xbps was cool... but when I was told to patch the wiki I offered to send a patch and got told that they no longer have a ML and everything is done on github... I MUST use github... I installed FreeBSD the following week 
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23:38 < polarian> vortexx: thankfully I am pretty minimalistic... I only use IRC, email and XMPP (OpenBSD ports for some XMPP stuff are years outdated and no longer secure... so I would need to port), and I don't like video games... I just want a system which works... hence why I still run xorg + i3wm despite being told to migrate to Wayland + sway for years.
23:39 < polarian> So changing software isn't an issue... its migrating the base its running on...
23:41 < polarian> I also tried Gentoo a few years ago... I tried my best to like it... but it consumes your life trying to compile everything and things breaking... and the energy requirement... compiling isn't free! I had to leave my laptop compiling overnight every time I changed my feature flags... 
23:42 < polarian> The port system on BSDs is so much better... if you need to compile from source its quick and easy, but you got binary builds as well...
23:42 < vortexx> yeah compiling constantly isn't fun
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23:44 < vortexx> so long as your hardware is sufficiently supported, OpenBSD will do the job, maybe not quite as fast as a Linux system but fast enough
23:45 < polarian> also there is one problem OpenBSD can't fix which Linux does... and its hardware support... Linux has become so mainstream you can get almost any device these days and it can run Linux... meanwhile OpenBSD is the old days where you need to pick something supported... 
23:45 < polarian> I was just speaking about hardware support xD
23:45 < vortexx> hehe
23:45 < vortexx> that's why a lot of people here like old thinkpads
23:46 < polarian> I read a lot of the misc posts (I should get a life) and it seems to he the most common complaint of x y and z not working and they expected it to work because it works on Linux
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23:47 < polarian> vortexx: I still think thinkpads are overrated... my friend has a T420 and says I should get a old thinkpad too, but I still think other brands should get some love... I have FreeBSD on a E6430 which I picked up for £50, and I love it more than my £1400 Arch Linux laptop... should've saved myself the money :/
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23:48 < polarian> I still unfortunately need Linux for a few things... so having it to switch back to when required is handy 
23:49 < polarian> also one additional benefit of older devices is saving them from the landfill, thinkpads older than 2015 are almost given away free on eBay these days... they are too old and slow for windows so are seen as ewaste, but for *nix folks its a jackpot
23:50 < vortexx> I've never been a thinkpad person, I've been on Dell XPS 13 laptops since 2015ish
23:51 < vortexx> was on vaios before then
23:51 < vortexx> XPS work pretty well with OpenBSD, minus wifi, but that's most laptops anyway
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23:54 < vortexx> I mean you can get them with AX210s if you go for the linux variant
23:54 < vortexx> which iwx supports
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23:55 < vortexx> sometimes though I'm too impatient to wait for the linux variant to become available
23:55 < vortexx> I do think my next laptop will be a frame.work one though, possibly with an AMD cpu
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