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01:40 < cat5> thrig: that's cool, i'm gonna buy a copy of that right now. i'm about half way through reading all of Gene Wolfe's books right now
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04:16 < Intrepid> Hi all, I'm having trouble mounting an encrypted USB that I need to back up files to. On typing "mount /dev/sd1c /mnt/USB" I get an error msg "invalid argument"... Alternatively, if I type the same cmd but with sd1a specified (I'm a bit unsure which partition letter it is) then I always get " device busy"... How can I get this thing mounted - was
04:16 < Intrepid> never a problem using this same cmd in the past..
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04:17 < Intrepid> PS: I used bioctl -c c -l /dev/sd1a to get it "attached as sd2" before trying the mount command
04:20 < mischief> 'c   CONCAT: A concatenating discipline.'
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04:20 < mischief> did you mean to use `C`?
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04:23 < mischief> Intrepid40: did you mean to use `C`? `c` is CONCAT
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04:25 < Intrepid40> mischief I did, and that is what I successful ly used to mount - my mistake on typing it here without the capital, but the capital was used.
04:26 < Intrepid40> New update: I changed the number of the SD in the mount command from sd1c to sd2c and it seems to have mounted successfully now..
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04:29 < Intrepid40> PS: Each time I do backups I'm just using cp with -p -v and -R to copy one parent directory over to a newly created DIR on the backup drive. This means I'm duplicating a lot of files that I've already backed up previously to the same drive. Is there a command to copy across only new files from the source dir to the target DIR?
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04:30 < Intrepid40> I.e. get it to ignore copying files that already exist in the target folder from a previous backup
04:31 < mischief> perhaps you'd like openrsync(1)
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04:32 < Intrepid40> Thanks mischief I'll see what mischief I can get up to using same
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04:45 < Intrepid> OK that's everything backed up, now I need to update to Openbsd 7.5 as I understand that security updates etc only go back one prior release.. I'm on 7.3 presently so I need to go up to 7.4 first. I've for the guide here: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade74.html
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04:47 < Intrepid> I'm leaning towards the unattended (and presumably easier) install method, but when it says this "installs all the sets", does that mean it will install SSH, which I'm pretty sure you get the option to not install when going through the usual fresh USB install method on a blank system..
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04:47 < quinq> Pretty sure you didn't
04:48 < fro> it's always installed
04:48 < quinq> Though you don't have to run the daemon
04:48 < Intrepid> Ah OK, so its probably the install prompt asking if I want the SSH activated, but it is still installed, right?
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04:49 < fro> yes basically
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04:59 < Intrepid> Hmmm, lucky I checked the "configuration and syntax changes" link on that 7.3--> 7.4 upgrade guide I pasted above.. I did my 7.3 install as a whole disk Encrypted volume which apparently means I need to update the passphrase to do a numbered set of hardware rounds method?? The sample command given is "bioctl -v -P sd1 but on checking the man pages
04:59 < Intrepid> for bioctl all these extra arguments are just changing the passphrase itself (-P) and making the changes verbose (-v), so what if I don't want to change the passphrase, do I simply re-enter the same one and then this new round counting method can be selected in one of the subsequent prompts that this command generates before completion?
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09:47 < MiniontobyPI> IcePic: you here?
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14:15 < seninha> Hi. Some time ago I posted here that I discovered that the reason why telegram-desktop was freezing during invocation (with no error report) is that some qt6 module depends on dbus; after I started dbus then telegram-desktop could open fine.
14:16 < seninha> Now I discovered that I dont need to start dbus at all, I can just run `DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS= telegram-desktop`. Pass it an empty envvar and it will ignore.
14:17 < seninha> still nothing being issued to stderr or stdout
14:17 < seninha> about no dbus running
14:17 < seninha> I gave up on trying to understand qt
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14:25 < sibiria> or why qt6 needs dbus to function
14:25 < sibiria> weird junk is weird
14:28 < uwharrie> I'd imagine for notifications, but not failing safe is a definite bug
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21:24 < avemestr> Who is oldlaptop btw? :-)
21:24 < runelind> did cloudflare get removed as a mirror?  did I miss the memo? 
21:24 < avemestr> "Someone on an old laptop, I presume!"
21:26 < thrig> ssl was eff'd up on it
21:26 < thrig> or maybe they're salty because we've been calling them clownflare
21:26 < sibiria> mitmflare
21:26 < ssm_> avemestr: who is an avemestr?
21:27 < runelind> yeah, I was getting TLS errors when I was trying to do pkg_add.  Switched to fastly and everything is happy now. 
21:27 < avemestr> Cloudflare seems to be removed between April 17 and April 26.
21:28 < avemestr> ssm_: Somebody who's not able to set the topic of this chan. Just noticed that the topic was set by oldlaptop because I had to reboot :-)
21:29 < avemestr> Clownflare relevant change to CVS: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=171397998610675&w=2
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21:32 < avemestr> Or for the Github inclined: https://github.com/openbsd/www/commit/e20bc319d02731077fd0842be994530122e0ea04
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22:29 < echelon> is it possible to create a pf anchor and add/delete entries from it without creating a file?
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22:32 < sibiria> you use a table for that, which you can add/delete/flush
22:32 < echelon> thanks
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22:34 < echelon> sibiria: can you set expirations on rules in tables?
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22:34 < thrig> echo reboot | at +60m
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22:38 < syscaller> im having trouble running go programs i write , since latest 7.5 release upgrade.  "undefined symbol 'syscall'" lazy binding failed  -- is this something i can change in my local config ? or is it go version? or does the program source need patching?
22:39 < Bradipo> Maybe you should try to go running instead sometime.
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22:39 < Bradipo> Or use a better leash when you run go programs.
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22:40 < thrig> or fix the go to go through libc
22:40 < syscaller> thrig: so its go?
22:41 < echelon> go doesn't use libc? :/
22:41 < thrig> go got burned on macOS for doing raw syscalls, and now got burned on OpeNBSD for doing raw syscalls, ...
22:42 < avemestr> syscaller: It's probably due to changes to syscall in 7.5: https://lwn.net/Articles/949078/
22:42 < avemestr> syscaller: I, for one, have not experienced problems compiling (simple) go programs after 7.5 but YMMV.
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22:44 < miah> go figure 
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22:44 < avemestr> Some words from Theo on Go in this regards: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=170647326029909&w=2
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22:46 < thrig> raw syscalls mostly being a linux thing due to the severe split-brain between kernel and userland
22:46 < syscaller> ok i guess i need to wait for go to ... get going.  https://github.com/golang/go/issues/63900
22:47 < avemestr> "When the go gets tough, the go gets going," as Billy Ocean tried to tell us in the 80s.
22:49 < pardis> syscaller: are you building and running on OpenBSD, or are you building on some other OS and running on OpenBSD?
22:49 < pardis> I'd expect OpenBSD's go package to build binaries that work on the same version of OpenBSD
22:49 < syscaller> building and (trying to)  run  on openbsd 7.5, latest go master branch
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22:50 < avemestr> syscaller: Your own application or something public?
22:51 < echelon> "now we're sharing the same dream?"
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22:51 < mischief> i am pretty sure that go source won't work
22:51 < syscaller> pardis: will try pkg_add go , that is good idea.   its now two applications.. 1 public 1 private
22:51 < mischief> there's patches applied to the port to make it work.
22:52 < thrig> pretty sure I have a go script I need to update to make pledge work on it without syscalls, or I could rewrite it in C ...
22:53 < pardis> I'm not so sure this pattern comes from Linux, it seems more likely to be a result of trying to make cross-compilation work in Go the same way it does in plan9 (given the people responsible are largely the same as for plan9)
22:53 < pardis> as soon as you link against libc you need to deal with Unix C cross-compilation, which is vastly clunkier than plan9 C cross-compilation
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22:55 < avemestr> OTOH a not-entirely-trivial packages like pgweb happily builds on 7.5.
22:56 < avemestr> *package
22:56 < syscaller> confirmed: "pkg_add go" gets it going
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22:57 < sibiria> echelon: not automatic expiry, but you can manually expire entries of certain age
22:58 < sibiria> (with the "expire <seconds>" table command)
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23:03 < gofigure> thanks all bye
23:04 < thrig> go fish
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23:04 < avemestr> go fix
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23:07 < echelon> sibiria: thanks
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23:27 < syscaller> will there be a 7.5 release song?
23:28 < syscaller> my favorite is "Blob!" from 3.9 https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39
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