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02:00 < leah> anyone know a decent vps hosting providerc that specialises in openbsd?
02:00 < leah> i've got some self-hosted servers on debian right now and i'm moving some of it to openbsd, but i also outsource some of my stuff to a vps, also debian. i've decided to make the full plunge to openbsd on all my infrastructure.
02:02 < PyR3X> in relayd if I match a request header to "blah.example.com" and tag it (so I can block/pass based on ip), is it possible to have it ignore any matches on the response headers. For example, I'm running an internal service that I only have relayed if it's coming from a specific system, but I don't want my normal content-security-policy to be applied
02:02 < PyR3X> to that connection if it is in fact from that IP.
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02:02 < lts> leah: https://openbsd.amsterdam/ is one that specializes in OpenBSD, but you'll find it runs just fine on many others. I use https://www.hetzner.com/cloud 
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02:08 < phy1729> If you have an OpenBSD machine already, you can usually use packer to get an image into whatever format your cloud provider of choice wants.
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02:15 < lts> To be Frank, I prefer a provider where the hypervisors are not running OpenBSD. If they are, I don't think there's a way to avoid downtime whenever they update the hypervisors
02:15 < lts> KVM based is fine
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02:20 < mischief> leah: i think vultr will run openbsd
02:21 < oldlaptop> It will. Unless they've changed something their prebaked openbsd image has a bogus partition layout, you should install your own.
02:22 < ssm_> I used openbsd on vultr a few years ago
02:22 < ssm_> and yes I wouldn't trust vendor images, if for the security implications alone
02:23 < mischief> also SDF and https://openbsd.amsterdam/ offer openbsd vps.
02:24 < mischief> on vultr you can just boot an iso from a url IIRC, even the openbsd installXX.iso :)
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06:22 < quinq> a/23
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07:24 < penne_> hi ppl. i upgraded to 7.5 lately and idk if this is the reason or it's something else but I keep getting this warning in my /var/log/messages: `sh/ksh/less/clear: vfprintf %s NULL in "%.*s"`. 
07:25 < penne_> multiple shell programs in base output it so im guessing it's related to some kinda shared shell function?
07:25 < IcePic> penne_: yes, its something with the terminal emulation that changed so ncurses sometimes whine a bit
07:26 < penne_> IcePic: oh thx. is there a way to silence it or we live with it for now xD
07:29 < penne_> ig it might require recompiling ncurses. might look into it if it bothers me too much
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07:39 < IcePic> penne: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171282353832180&w=2
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07:39 < IcePic> and https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171277915210624&w=2
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08:20 < penne> IcePic: nice thx
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09:49 < MiniontobyPI> IcePic: Hi
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13:21 < solene> I've sent an update for www/dillo to ports@, if people want to give it a try
13:21 < Tekk> What's the update, going to one of the forks?
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13:22 < Tekk> Not in marc yet :(
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13:23 < solene> https://github.com/dillo-browser/dillo/releases/tag/v3.1.0 dunno if it's a fork?
13:24  * Tekk handwiggles
13:24 < Tekk> Dillo has been dead for many years. This is the most vanilla fork as far as I know
13:24 < Tekk> I would try it but I keep this one installed for its gopher support and they conflict: https://github.com/crossbowerbt/dillo-plus
13:25 < solene> did you give lagrange a try for gopher?
13:26 < Tekk> That's installed too. I like dillo better when it works
13:26 < Tekk> But the gopher support isn't perfect
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14:37 < aaronm04> lagrange is awesome for gemini
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14:52 < GnarledHorn> leah: I have used vultr as a vps host for almost two years. No complaints.
14:53 < GnarledHorn> I know they were in the news recently for a poorly worded ToS update, if that's the sort of thing that concerns you
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14:53 < sibiria> solene: have you used dillo extensively?
14:53 < sibiria> if so what is your impression about it fitting well for the "modern" web, with css and js compatibility
14:54 < sibiria> it's been a bit over 10 years since i last tried dillo and it was a lukewarm experience. got most things done but just wasn't comparable to firefox or similar
14:55 < oldlaptop> IIRC it still doesn't pass acid1
14:55 < oldlaptop> (whereas netsurf does)
14:55 < GnarledHorn> the dillo homepage mentions a "bug meter" that sounds kind of cute. Based on what I see whenever I open up the JS console in firefox or chrome, I suspect the bug meter will stay maxed out lol
14:56 < oldlaptop> upstream has been more or less dead for ten years as well, IIRC
14:56 < solene> sibiria: a quick test allows me to browser many website I daily use, I can read them at least, not sure I could pass any kind of login though
14:57 < sibiria> i like firefox a lot but it's gotten so huge and slow
14:57 < sibiria> absurdly huge, really...
14:57 < oldlaptop> hg.dillo.org NXDOMAINs now
14:57 < oldlaptop> not a great sign
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14:58 < phy1729> If you just want to read websites, converting html into markdown and reading that in less is fairly nice.
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14:59 < oldlaptop> seamonkey is approximately the browser engine packaged as "palemoon" et al from before they killed xulrunner
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15:02 < solene> oldlaptop: it's https://dillo-browser.github.io/ now
15:03 < oldlaptop> Wow, that's alarming. https://dillo-browser.github.io/dillo.org.html
15:03 < solene> wtf, there is an ipfs plugin
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15:06 < GnarledHorn> oldlaptop: that explains all the broken links and missing content on that wordpress site
15:06 < lts> Organizations are all gangsta protecting their servers, and then the main domains are an afterthought
15:06 < oldlaptop> GnarledHorn: indeed
15:07 < oldlaptop> and there's no way all the old links and so on are ever all going to get cleaned up
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15:08 < oldlaptop> Apparently whoever's involved with the github org shipped a 3.1.0 Saturday :P https://github.com/dillo-browser/dillo/releases/tag/v3.1.0
15:09 < oldlaptop> floats would be the most important gap in css
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15:15 < solene> oldlaptop: hence my diff :P
15:15  * oldlaptop is bad at reading mailing lists
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15:17 < puffybuf> so gmail is phasing out smtp by username/pass. I guess my options are setup oath2 or a unique "app password".
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15:18 < lts> Those are pretty good options both
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15:19 < phy1729> action "outbound" relay host tls+auth://label@smtp.gmail.com auth <secrets>   in /etc/mail/smtpd.conf and   label example@gmail.com:app_password   in /etc/mail/secrets has worked for me for years
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15:24 < oldlaptop> maybe they're trying to convince people to host their own as a public service
15:24 < oldlaptop> (you may now stop laughing)
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15:32 < miah> their business practices are doing exactly that =)
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15:34 < echelon> how does the floppy installation work? is it basically a network install?
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15:38 < solene> echelon: it boots the installer, then you could have an usb device with the sets or use network
15:39 < solene> some devices do not allow to boot from usb
15:40  * oldlaptop wonders how much longer i386/amd64 floppies will survive
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15:43 < echelon> oldlaptop: why do you say that, installer size is getting too big?
15:44 < oldlaptop> sooner or later I would assume there won't be anyone who wants to bother with them
15:45 < tommyrot> you should ask theo about his hobby of making the floppies work
15:45 < tommyrot> surely you'll get a nice reply
15:46 < oldlaptop> it's not like some of the surviving old platforms where you kind of expect to need floppies, there aren't an awful lot of i386 machines that make sense to use anymore that won't boot from at least CD
15:46 < oldlaptop> and you can still *get* CDs :|
15:47 < tommyrot> that's just like, your opinion, man
15:47 < thrig> there's a long tail for these tech to peter out
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15:47 < tommyrot> i heard rumors the floppies will cease to exist the day installer sets are rolled into one
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15:54 < oldlaptop> Alright everybody, jump on misc@ and complain about sysupgrade reinstalling gameXX
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15:56 < GnarledHorn> I detect the levity, but as a serious question, am I able to stay on current using sysupgrade and keep some packages from installing? A common case are the X packages. I don't need them on my servers, but if I run current they get pulled along anyway. It's not a big addition, but it is wasted in that case
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16:00 < oldlaptop> As a practical matter, you would need to fork sysupgrade, or not use it.
16:00 < oldlaptop> (Insofar as workarounds exist, they're more trouble than not using it.)
16:00 < GnarledHorn> yikes
16:00 < GnarledHorn> juice not worth the squeeze
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16:00 < oldlaptop> You are more likely to need at least xbase on "your servers" than you might think, incidentally.
16:01 < vxla> GnarledHorn: why not just follow the docs and run `sysupgrade -n', remove packages you don't want, then reboot?
16:01 < ssm_> can't imagine it'd be that hard to hack sysupgrade to exclude the sets you don't want; but I don't believe there's any feature to exclude sets at the moment
16:01 < oldlaptop> vxla: at that point you're not really ahead of a manual upgrade
16:02 < oldlaptop> (which is not rocket science, and was not widely bemoaned as a terrible hardship before sysupgrade went in five minutes ago)
16:02 < oldlaptop> (wait, sysupgrade has been in for four and a half years now!?)
16:03 < vxla> works for me; `sysupgrade -n && rm <whatever> && reboot'
16:03 < vxla> yeah it's been there for a while now.
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16:05 < ssm_> reading sysupgrade.sh, line that gets sets is this sed command: SETS=$(sed -n -e 's/^SHA256 (\(.*\)) .*/\1/' -e '/^INSTALL\./p;/^bsd/p;/\.tgz$/p' SHA256)
16:07 < GnarledHorn> vxla: that is straightforward. oldlaptop: acknowledge possibly needing xbase after all
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16:08 < oldlaptop> it's easy enough to fetch and reboot into bsd.rd and hit ENTER a few times until you see the hated X sets
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16:09 < GnarledHorn> despised even!
16:11 < oldlaptop> gameXX is the funniest, really. the monetary value of this storage is almost certainly smaller than that of the time it takes to type -game*: $ du -hs /usr/games  
16:11 < oldlaptop> 2.0M    /usr/games
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16:13 < ssm_> excluding the games set is the #1 way to prove you are a bad admin
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16:30 < aaronm04> are any of them suid root?
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17:02 < oldlaptop> aaronm04: No, not for quite a while now
17:03 < oldlaptop> I'd agree there was some sense in deselecting it when they still used suid to maintain systemwide high scores files, but there was a comprehensive effort to get rid of that some time ago
17:04 < thrig> high scores can be done with setgid, or just toss the high scores
17:05 < thrig> (the pledge line looks a lot better if you remove high scores support)
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17:15 < puffybuf> phy1729: it will stop working September 30 2024, you have to enable less secure apps for that to work as well with gmail
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17:17 < puffybuf> I did notice I can just send mail directly from my machines, but they go straight to spam, so I have to whitelist them
17:17 < puffybuf> on receiving end
17:18 < phy1729> puffybuf: I thought you said app passwords still work
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17:32 < thrig> gmail was forever putting the openbsd mailing list traffic into spam, so I moved off gmail
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17:34 < eea> hrm, i switch my email to opensmtpd/rspamd/dovecot on openbsd few years ago... good hosting provider and keeping up a nice IP reputation
17:34 < eea> no real problems with my outbound emails ending up in spam
17:35 < RobbieAB> I have been tempted...
17:36 < RobbieAB> I solved the gmail sending emails to spam with a single mail filtering rule: Never mark anything as spam.
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17:36 < amnesiac> Hi
17:36 < MiniontobyPI> I have an GRE tunnel, and it now does receive packets from the remote and it does also receive them on gre0 and also there is an response being made. However, the response goes directly to the pinging (or tracerouting) user/ip instead of to the tunnel. Anyone able to help me fix this problem?
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17:38 < amnesiac> No audoi in firefox. sndiod flags set as "-f rsnd/0 -F rsnd/1 -F rsnd/2 -F rsnd/3 -F rsnd/4" 
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17:39 < amnesiac> also if set AUDIODEVICE=rsnd/1, then sound goes to usb audio interface and successfully played through it
17:39 < amnesiac> does not work even for firefox run from terminal whre AUDIODEVICE set
17:39 < amnesiac> openbsd 7.5
17:40 < amnesiac> any thoughts why ?
17:48 < puffybuf> phy1729: ok I went through and setup "app password", yes it does work. thankfully, I didn't want to bother with oath2
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21:29 < vortexx> mh some German guy seems to be posting quite a bit on tech@ and misc@ about AES-128 & -256...
21:29 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=171500211927736&w=2
21:31 < ssm_> oh man I'm gonna have to throw out my "strong crypto" bootleg openbsd mug
21:32 < sibiria> 10 out of 10 NSA spokesmen recommend the entire world to use only AES
21:32 < ssm_> my passwords are all encrypted blowfish :>
21:34 < vortexx> probably better than using 3des
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23:01 < byteskeptical> vortexx: but what about 4des?
23:01 < zwr> encryption is a solved problem, just keep adding more des
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23:04 < byteskeptical> zwr: des is the way
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23:05 < vortexx> byteskeptical: I'd rather wait for 5des
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