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04:29 < AShapiro> i have a strange problem - interfaces on some of my machines are coming up with mtu 1280 (i want 1500), so i've added "mtu 1500" to the hostname.$if file but it is taking no effect
04:29 < AShapiro> my understanding is any arbitrary lines in there should just be appended to an ifconfig $if command
04:30 < AShapiro> however if i add ifconfig $if mtu 1500 to rc.local, the mtu is set correctly
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04:47 < byteskeptical> AShapiro: what's in sysctl and pf.conf?
04:47 < AShapiro> they're both stock (no sysctl.conf, pf.conf as installed)
04:48 < AShapiro> this is happening on two separate VMs... one in VMware, the other in Proxmox. other machines of mine are unaffected
04:48 < AShapiro> all of the affected machines run Tailscale (which sets mtu on tun0 to 1280) but so do the two unaffected machines, and their MTU is 1500 without me having to do anything
04:48 < AShapiro> on the primary NIC, that is
04:53 < AShapiro> i suppose i need to go line-by-line and see what /etc/netstart is actually doing, whether it's issuing the command or not, and whether something later in the boot process is reverting it
04:53 < AShapiro> i'm more interested in that than what is causing it to be set to 1280 in the first place, though it would be nice to know that too
04:54 < byteskeptical> other machines you mean bare metal ones? If tun0 is your egress (ifconfig) then it's just following the config set by tailscale
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04:56 < AShapiro> tun0 is only for traffic to rfc6598 space. vio0 / vmx0 (depending on hypervisor) is still default. all of the machines (two being weird, two behaving correctly) are VMs
04:57 < AShapiro> i'll get to the bottom of this; i was just wondering if anything obvious stood out (perhaps i am using the wrong syntax in my hostname.$if file, etc)
04:57 < AShapiro> will debug by printf and return with results :)
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05:13 < byteskeptical> AShapiro: possibly, make sure it is set before pretty much before everything and make sure there isn't some vm setting on the misbehaving ones that has it set on the hypervisor or something
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06:40 < Posterdati> hi
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06:47 < Posterdati> please help, is it possible to install openmpi with gcc 11??? Thanks!
06:48 < roped> my wifi card is reported by dmesg as "Atheros AR2417" rev0x01 at cardbus0 dev 0 function 0 not configured, but this particular chipset is missing from the manpage for athn and there are no athn* devides in the oputput of ifconfig. does this mean that I'm out of luck and this wifi card isn't supported by OpenBSD?
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06:54 < IcePic> roped: yes, that kernel knows not how to match the detected device to a driver it supports
06:54 < IcePic> it can read out info from the bus it is attached to, but doesn't recognize the ID in the "match id to driver" code
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06:58 < roped> thank you
06:58 < roped> fortunately, I can get a wired connection on this old laptop
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07:49 < luna_> https://www.bsdnow.tv/558 *listening*
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08:12 < Posterdati> hi
08:12 < Posterdati> why installing octave, installs wayland too???
08:13 < Lucas6023> wayland is a dep of either GTK or Qt
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08:15 < luna_> hey
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08:37 < Posterdati> :(
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08:49 < Posterdati> what is the wayland nonsense now?
08:49 < Posterdati> isn't xorg no longer supported?
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08:55 < morpho> Posterdati: Xorg is no longer updated, I think they have rejected most PRs now
08:56 < Posterdati> wow
08:58 < morpho> Wayland was instigated by Xorg devs because it was becoming unmaintainable
09:02 < IcePic> my guess is that wayland will be accused of more or less the same things x11/xorg are now when they are equally mature and have implemented the stuff x11 does
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09:03 < sibiria> xorg is still being updated, it's not on a bugfix-only maintenance schedule. but there's only so much more they can do for a fully stable and evolved piece of software
09:04 < Posterdati> rust and wayland, is this the opensource future?
09:07 < morpho> IcePic: its a little trickier to develop for because there is nothing like Xlib
09:09 < morpho> and windows cannot effect other windows, windows don't know their own position on screen space. input should be sandboxed to atleast one window view per pane.
09:09  * sonya has several old comps with video cards like SiS where no GL and no kms is a usual case.. more or less i'm ready for a good old kernel console and text terminal.. wayland "bright future" for an old equipment..
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09:19 < morpho> would openBSD provide any protection for activists?
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09:21 < morpho> theres kids telling me to use WhatsApp because its encrypted
09:22 < morpho> which I don't trust because meta collaborate with the gov't
09:24 < sibiria> the openbsd foundation doesn't involve itself in activism
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09:24 < IcePic> morpho: unless I am mistaken, OpenBSD was the first OS to ship releases with crypto and ipsec functionality, so using one of the many available encrypted communication protocols would be a good first step to protect your traffic. Let the apps/programs re-encrypt once more inside that tunnel
09:25 < sibiria> but you can probably be certain that the developers aren't in cahoots with any govt.
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09:38 < Lucas6023> sibiria: except for that one that tried / managed to backdoor the IPSec stack iirc
09:39 < Lucas6023> IcePic: it was the first open source OS with an IPSec stack
09:39 < Lucas6023> I think that Linux was the first to expose cryptographic primitives in the kernel
09:40 < Lucas6023> and I also think there were commercial OSs with IPSec stacks before OpenBSD
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09:42 < renaud> sibiria: AFAIK, nobody ever confirmed there was indeed a backdoor.
09:43 < renaud> It's a little bit like the recnet NFS CVE, no info was published
09:45 < sibiria> Lucas6023: as i recall the story, the person admitted that there was a planned project to do it, but no commits ever happened
09:45 < sibiria> but that's not the same as the core team being in bed with the NSA
09:45 < ripsum> morpho: I think that's what Signal is for?
09:46 < sibiria> signal isn't anonymous unless you take precautions
09:46 < sibiria> signal is designed to build social network maps
09:47 < AShapiro> the closest openbsd ever came to having a backdoor in it is, i assume, that for a period of time the shipping version of openssl included dual-ec-drbg
09:47 < AShapiro> but i don't believe the openssl version of it ever worked
09:47 < AShapiro> this would have been pre-libressl
09:47 < AShapiro> and is probably one of the reasons for libressl :)
09:48 < ripsum> I don't think I ever said it was anonymous, simply that it's less likely than WhatsApp to be backdoored as far as I am aware
09:49 < AShapiro> tbh the biggest risk isn't your communications being spied on; it's having a nice, private conversation with someone who turns out to be a govt. agent.
09:49 < AShapiro> many such cases!
09:49 < ripsum> don't talk to strangers kids ;)
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09:56 < renaud> There is something that is probably moree anonymous than signal, but I can't find the name back
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09:57 < sibiria> Threema
09:57 < AShapiro> there's Session, which has some promise, too. runs off some esoteric blockchain, has some inscrutable white paper i haven't taken the time to read and pretend to understand
09:57 < renaud> https://tox.chat
09:58 < sibiria> Signal's problem isn't end-to-end encryption, but that it requires a valid cellular number to register an account
09:59 < sibiria> Briar is a good alternative, too
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10:01 < morpho> I don't trust anything with persistent storage
10:01 < Lucas6023> threema was a bit sketchy iirc
10:01 < Lucas6023> they have their kinda-own crypto?
10:01 < morpho> when i was in China we used IRC to communicate out of the country fine
10:02 < sibiria> it's fine because it's unencrypted, or downgraded if you use ssl
10:02 < sibiria> :P
10:02 < Lucas6023> there is OTR for IRC
10:02 < Lucas6023> it works kinda ok
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10:06 < sibiria> or modernized fish, if psk is acceptable
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10:09 < Lucas6023> there is https://simplex.chat/ , of which I'd like to know more about
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10:13 < Lucas6023> sibiria: https://breakingthe3ma.app/ this is the audit
10:13 < Lucas6023> for Threema
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10:19 < sibiria> Lucas6023: no idea about anything regarding their cryptography
10:20 < sibiria> just that it's an anonymous platform
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10:38 < sonya> renaud: +1 for tox 
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10:40 < sonya> though otr+irc is also very nice, imho
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12:13 < Lucas6023> sonya: I don't like the uncommon cryptography of OTRv3
12:13 < Lucas6023> and I don't believe there is wide support for OTRv4
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12:21 < pardis> dfdx: .profile is for login shells, if you want a login shell without a new login session you need to start one yourself
12:22 < pardis> so: su -c 'exec "$SHELL" -l'
12:22 < pardis> alternatively, don't use .profile and set ENV
12:23 < pardis> you can make that the default if you use 'doas -s' instead of su(1), since you can use setenv in doas.conf(5)
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12:28 < sandbag> hi, i recently installed openbsd and i am unable to access internet for updating and installing packages. it doesn't seem to be a dns issue because when i run nslookup, i am able to resolve the hosts and get their ip addresses
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12:28 < sandbag> ```https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.5/packages-stable/amd64/: ftp: connect: No route to host
12:28 < sandbag> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.5/packages/amd64/: ftp: connect: No route to host
12:28 < sandbag> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.5/packages/amd64/: empty```
12:29 < thrig> maybe it could be a routing issue
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12:30 < sandbag> i tried killing resolvd and upon starting it again (resolvd -dv), it gets stuck
12:30 < sandbag> thrig: how do i solve a routing issue?
12:30 < Lucas6023> sandbag: what's the output of `ifconfig`
12:30 < Lucas6023> ?
12:31 < sandbag> is there a pastebin where i can paste it?
12:31 < Lucas6023> yes. termbin, pastebin, 0x0.st, ...
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12:36 < sandbag> https://privatebin.io/?2dc9dd3dfea319db#Di2gUYzfpyAxZADXapc873JtJCBPj2RWYZ9FTYzaGykg
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12:48 < Lucas6023> hmmm, quite weird. You have an IP address in vio0, but vio0 isn't part of any group, and in particular it isn't part of the egress group
12:48 < Lucas6023> sandbag: can you share the content of `/etc/hostname.vio0`?
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12:50 < sandbag> inet 192.168.31.174 0xffffff00
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12:51 < Lucas6023> well, that's it
12:51 < Lucas6023> you don't have a default route set
12:51 < Lucas6023> do you have a `/etc/mygate` file? if so, what's the content?
12:52 < sandbag> nope, don't have it
12:52 < Lucas6023> ok, then that's it, no default route
12:53 < sandbag> how do i create a route?
12:53 < Lucas6023> are you running on a VPS? in that case, I'd search their docs for how to perform a manual network configuration
12:53 < sandbag> i have installed it on proxmox which is running locally
12:53 < Lucas6023> do you know which address should be the gateway?
12:54 < sandbag> yes, it's on 192.168.31.1
12:55 < Lucas6023> cool
12:55 < Lucas6023> check https://man.openbsd.org/mygate
12:55 < Lucas6023> that tells you how to setup /etc/mygate
12:55 < Lucas6023> afterwards, run `sh /etc/netstart` as root
12:55 < Lucas6023> and you should be good to go
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12:57 < sandbag> Lucas6023: that worked! thank you for the help.
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13:01 < Lucas6023> np
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14:14 < renaud> Voyager_MP: man 8 kbd
14:16 < Voyager_MP> ok, found it, anyone having solved the 2 finger scrolling on a touchpad with Synaptics 
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16:18 < tmtt> Hi! I'm trying to setup usb tethering on my OpenBSD 7.5 laptop but plugging my phone (a Xiaomi redmi note 10) and enabling usb tethering doesn't seem to work. `dmesg` show that my phone isn't attached to the urndis driver, only to ugen2; with usb tethering enabled or not. (see <https://clbin.com/GExuB>.) When plugged-in, it's recognised by `usbdevs` as 18d1:4ee1, whereas with usb tethering it's 05c6:f00e. is it because this vendor/produ
16:18 < tmtt> ct isn't in the list of devices managed by urndis? Thanks in advance for any help :)
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16:18 < tmtt> (I tried usb tethering with other phones and they seem to work.)
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16:32 < uuuuu> Is it still possible to boot openbsd with old world mac like is described here https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20061209032245
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16:45 < MiniontobyPI> hmm sibiria with the `tcpdump -ni vio0 proto gre` I get nothing... (p.s. sorry for very late response)
16:50 < vortexx> uuuuu: probably if you follow all steps in that article. If need be start with the 4.1 release and upgrade release by release
16:50 < vortexx> s/If need/If need be
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16:50 < vortexx> oops
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16:54 < uuuuu> vortexx: The bootloader code to allow this was taken out after 4.1?
16:55 < oldlaptop> 4.1 would be the closest release to the snapshot discussed in that article
16:55 < uuuuu> I see what was meant
16:56 < oldlaptop> AIUI such machines never did get real support added
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16:59 < oldlaptop> probably very little interest now as well, given that they're now nearly 30 years old instead of nearly 10 years old
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17:47 < fishmongler> hi, why doesn't this trick work on openbsd? https://www.flipcode.com/archives/_kbhit_for_Linux.shtml
17:48 < fishmongler> ioctl always returns 0 even though i'm typing things, ICANON and ECHO are disabled in tcsetattr
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18:05  * thrig wonders how that code even compiles
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18:08 < sibiria> MiniontobyPI: ehhrrm. that would indicate that there is no tunnel established at all
18:09 < sibiria> that is, your provider isn't sending any GRE traffic to you at all
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18:47 < MiniontobyPI> I am receiving packets from my provider
18:47 < MiniontobyPI> Cause they do show up on vio0
18:47 < MiniontobyPI> but not with the specific `proto gre` filter
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18:47 < sibiria> if you had GRE packets arriving at that interface, you'd see them with "tcpdump -i <that interface> proto gre"
18:49 < MiniontobyPI> yeah, but when I filter on the host being me or the remote
18:49 < MiniontobyPI> then I do see packets
18:49 < MiniontobyPI> $RemoteTunnelProviderIP6 > $MyIP6: DSTOPT (type 0x04: len=1) gre [] 86dd $PingingIP6.25433 > $ProtectedIP6Subnet::1.33489: udp 12 [class 0x28] [hlim 1] (len 20) [flowlabel 0x6aed3] (len 72, hlim 55)
18:51 < MiniontobyPI> We will be switching provider soon, hopefully they set their side up better than this one
18:51 < MiniontobyPI> (and no it is not only because of the reason that this one doesn't work, that we will be switching, also because the current provide is bad)
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18:52 < sibiria> "proto gre" <- this is the only filter you need to confirm if you're getting gre packets
18:52 < sibiria> if nothing shows up, you're not receiving gre traffic on the implied interface
18:52 < sibiria> period
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23:52 < commodorian> I'm having an issue where launching `php-fpm-8.1` is giving me an ld error: "can't load library 'libxml2.so.19.0'". How would one go about fixing this? I'm noob, please be patient. I attempted looking for such a library in /usr, but was unsuccessful. Do I need to rebuild php-fpm from source? `pkg_add -u` wasn't updating anything. I believe I have libxml2 installed, at least I have
23:52 < commodorian> "libxml-2.11.5p0".
23:53 < Bradipo> "do I need to rebuild X from source?".  The answer to that question is almost invariably NO.
23:53 < Bradipo> First, what OpenBSD do you have installed?
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23:54 < thrig> oddly enough, 7.5 has libxml2.so.20.0 packaged
23:54 < commodorian> 7.4
23:54 < commodorian> dist-upgrade needed then?
23:54 < Bradipo> What's "dist-upgrade"?
23:55 < commodorian> Sorry, I'm using debian terminology. Upgrading the operating system version.
23:55 < Bradipo> So you installed OpenBSD 7.4 and you installed packages from 7.4?
23:55 < Bradipo> What architecture?  i386?  amd64?
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23:55 < commodorian> amd64. I do believe all my programs are from 7.4
23:55 < Bradipo> So you just used pkg_add <somephp> ?
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23:56 < commodorian> Yes. Specifically the php version I have installed is 8.1.27.
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23:57 < Bradipo> commodorian: If you run: pkg_info -L libxml | grep libxml2
23:58 < Bradipo> Or maybe "grep libxml2.so"
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23:58 < Bradipo> You should see that /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.19.0 is part of that package.
23:59 < Bradipo> Is that file present in the filesystem? ls -l /path...
23:59 < commodorian> Does not appear as so. Lemme check if it's there but not in pkg_info -L...
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