--- Log opened Tue May 14 00:00:26 2024
00:00 < commodorian> Nope. Shall I just uninstall, reinstall that package? Is there an easy way to do that without reconfiguring each package that depends on libxml?
00:01 < Bradipo> So your installation of libxml is missing stuff?
00:01 < commodorian> It appears so.
00:02 < commodorian> oh, hold on.
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00:02 < commodorian> tried a different grep regex and it found it. (in pkg_info -L)
00:02 < commodorian> still doesn't exist in the filesystem however.
00:03 < Bradipo> You could try running: pkg_check -q
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00:05 < Bradipo> Maybe if you want more checks, just run: pkg_check
00:05 < commodorian> Huh, "File /var/db/pkg/libxml/+CONTENTS does not exist"
00:05 < commodorian> I get the feeling that's not meant to happen
00:06 < Bradipo> Definitely not.
00:06 < commodorian> oh, that's why. No version information. Let's give that another go.
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00:08 < commodorian> pkg_check -q libxml-$VERSION does not appear to have worked. It just claims the .so should exist and exits.
00:09 < Bradipo> Hmm, I didn't know pkg_check supported single package names.
00:09 < Bradipo> Cool, I suppose the documentation and usage should be updated.
00:10 < Bradipo> Can you pastebin the output of: pkg_check libxml-2.11.5
00:10 < commodorian> Is there a way I could just uninstall/reinstall the package in-place and see if that fixes the issue? pkg_check has been nothing but "should exist" so far.
00:10 < commodorian> On it.
00:10 < Bradipo> Oh, so it's claiming that a lot of things are missing?
00:10 < Bradipo> As for uninstall/reinstall...
00:11 < Bradipo> pkg_add does have a -r option. I've never used it.
00:12 < Bradipo> Or if I have used it, I've used it so sparingly that I don't remember.
00:12 < commodorian> https://commodorian.org/up/pkg_check.txt
00:13 < commodorian> It does appear that none of the files associated with the package libxml are installed properly
00:13 < Bradipo> Very odd.  How did your system get in such a state?
00:14 < Bradipo> Is this the only package missing files?
00:14 < commodorian> I dunno. It was working before I rebooted. I'll see about checking other packages for missing files.
00:14 < Bradipo> Did you check dmesg for disk errors?
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00:14 < Bradipo> So if it was working before you rebooted, what was the reason for rebooting?
00:14 < commodorian> What string should I be grepping for?
00:15  * oldlaptop would advise vgrep - there shouldn't be very much dmesg
00:15 < commodorian> One disk of mine (not where any libxml files are stored) was not updating after I had removed a particularly large file.
00:15 < oldlaptop> (vgrep meaning "your eyeballs")
00:15 < Bradipo> "visual grep". :-)
00:15 < oldlaptop> What do you mean by that, exactly?
00:16 < Bradipo> So you had a separate disk attached (USB)?
00:16 < Bradipo> And you made changes to the filesystem on that disk but "ls" didn't show any changes, so you rebooted?
00:16 < commodorian> This is on a virtual machine on a VPS platform.
00:16 < Bradipo> Otherwise, what is meant by "one disk of mine was not updating"?
00:17 < commodorian> ls did show changes but df did not.
00:17 < Bradipo> So something still had the file open.
00:17 < oldlaptop> ...Did you happen to reboot by the VPS equivalent of pulling the plug?
00:17 < commodorian> Perhaps. It was a mysql error log.
00:17 < Bradipo> It would eventually have cleared the space once all open file descriptors were closed.
00:17 < commodorian> No, I used the `reboot` command as root.
00:17 < Bradipo> Perhaps you pulled the plug?
00:18 < commodorian> No plug pulling occured (on my end, anyway)
00:18 < commodorian> I'll check some logs on the VPS provider's site.
00:19 < Bradipo> Well, how did you "remove" the particularly large file?
00:19 < commodorian> rm, of course.
00:19 < Bradipo> rm -rf /path/to/largefiles *
00:20 < commodorian> I did not include that last glob, to be clear.
00:20 < Bradipo> Yeah, I'm just guessing.
00:20 < systemdsucks> yeah, that looked bad
00:20 < commodorian> Everything except stuff that depends on libxml is working.
00:20 < Bradipo> pkg_check returns only libxml as bad?
00:20 < commodorian> How might one attempt a check of all packages?
00:21 < Bradipo> Just run: pkg_check
00:21 < Bradipo> As I said earlier...
00:21 < Bradipo> pkg_check checks *all* packages by default.  And in fact, until you mentioned it, I didn't think it supported any other mode of operation since the man page and usage don't suggest that one can use it on a single package.
00:22 < commodorian> Neat, I'm running pkg_check and redirecting to a file as we type.
00:22 < Bradipo> man page says: pkg_check [-FfIimnqvx] [-D name[=value]]
00:22 < Bradipo> Nothing about that synopsis suggests otherwise.
00:23 < commodorian> >/usr/local/bin/autoconf-2.71 should exist
00:23 < commodorian> excellent
00:23 < Bradipo> So you're missing other things?
00:23 < Bradipo> Is /usr a separate mount point from /
00:24 < Bradipo> ?
00:24 < commodorian> no. Only thing I have like that is /var/, I believe.
00:24 < Bradipo> Do you have a /lost+found or /usr/lost+found ?
00:24 < commodorian> sorry, /usr/local is a separate mount.
00:24 < Bradipo> Ok, so just /lost+found
00:24 < commodorian> no lost+fond
00:25 < Bradipo> Has pkg_check finished?
00:25 < commodorian> autoconf, curl, gitwrapper, gmake, libsass, libunbound, libxml, mariadb-server, metaauto, nim, privoxy, redis, unzip, and of course vim show up as bad in pkg_check.
00:25 < Bradipo> I fail to see how simply rebooting would cause files in /usr to disappear.
00:26 < Bradipo> Unless the VPS is unreliable.
00:26 < commodorian> Me too. Bit of an odd one. I did attempt updating before rebooting but it returned fine.
00:26 < Bradipo> As in pkg_add -u ?
00:26 < commodorian> yep
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00:27 < Bradipo> Well, that's more parts of the "what did you do to the system before rebooting?" mystery.
00:27 < Bradipo> Are you certain that the OS didn't get shutdown incorrectly *before* you rebooted it?
00:27 < commodorian> Not to my knowledge.
00:28 < Bradipo> If you look at /var/log/messages, maybe you can see some evidence that it was shutdown improperly?
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00:28 < Bradipo> e.g. a copy of the dmesg output will be found there and if / was not unmounted properly it will say as much.
00:29 < Bradipo> Somewhere near the text "root on"
00:29 < Bradipo> This is where vgrep is handy again.
00:29 < commodorian> I see a rebooted by root, exiting on signal 15, then it boots fine 3 minutes later.
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00:30 < commodorian> To be clear the exit on signal 15 is from the syslogd process.
00:30 < Bradipo> Well, did you reboot it from a different terminal while pkg_add was running on a different terminal?
00:30 < Bradipo> At any rate, you can try to recover I suppose by using pkg_add -r
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00:30 < commodorian> I only connected with one ssh session.
00:30 < Bradipo> I don't know if pkg_add -r can fix that up.
00:30 < Bradipo> No tmux?
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00:31 < Bradipo> You can have multiple terminals all wrapped up in tmux over a single SSH session. :-)
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00:32 < commodorian> Nah, just the one.
00:32 < commodorian> I'll see about pkg_add -r'ing every missing package.
00:32 < Bradipo> Maybe pkg_add -u failed and you didn't notice?
00:32 < Bradipo> And it left it in some strange state...
00:33 < Bradipo> I don't use pkg_add -u, so I don't know what to expect.
00:34 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. Is there a reason why "pkg_info -Q python" only returns postgresql-plpython? I want to understand what I'm doing wrong. 
00:34 < Bradipo> I think we see this question here often enough that there should be a FAQ...
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00:35 < dfdx> I tried googling :(
00:36 < Bradipo> man page says: Show the names of all packages in the *first* repository of the package search path containing the substring
00:36 < dfdx> sure, but pkg_info -Q -a python spits out every package that exists.
00:37 < Bradipo> Does it include the things that are "missing"?
00:37 < oldlaptop> dfdx: The order in which they're specified is important.
00:38 < oldlaptop> If you put the -a second, python is no longer the argument to -Q.
00:38 < Bradipo> And -a means: show the names of all matching packages in *all* repositories instead
00:38 < oldlaptop> (pkg_foo can be a little odd about switches sometimes)
00:38 < dfdx> oldlaptop: oh i see. pkg_info -Q python -a would work.
00:38 < oldlaptop> Apparently.
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00:39 < Bradipo> Oh, right, order of arguments matters in this case.
00:40 < dfdx> I can't find in pkg_info or pkg_add's man pages how to list all repositories. I didn't even know there was more than one tbh.
00:41 < phy1729> It's under -Q for the extra meaning of -a
00:41 < Bradipo> Yeah, it's a bit of black magic at this point.
00:41 < Bradipo> dfdx did not say "list all matches in all repositories" he said "list all repositories".
00:42 < Bradipo> How does one list all configured repositories that are used by -a ?
00:42 < commodorian> reporting back, had to manually pkg_delete libxml and reinstall all packages that depended on it.
00:42 < Bradipo> Presumably if there is a *first* and a *all* there must be something that knows about them and is able to display them.
00:42 < dfdx> right. I don't mean to derail the convo, i was just curious since i'm only hearing about this now.
00:43 < commodorian> All works now :)
00:43 < Bradipo> dfdx: It's not derailment per se... I think it's a legitimate question.
00:43 < oldlaptop> The extra one (which comes first for what should be obvious reasons, if you think about it) is -stable packages, as opposed to -release
00:43 < Bradipo> Seems that if pkg_info can work with multiple repositories, that it should be possible to list what they are.
00:43 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure that fact is obvious from the manual.
00:44 < Bradipo> It absolutely isn't obvious in my opinion.
00:44 < Bradipo> Where does it menion anything about -stable vs -release repositories for example?
00:45 < oldlaptop> Normally TRUSTED_PKG_PATH, PKG_PATH, and the documented default should exhaust the "configured repositories"
00:45 < Bradipo> Seems like pkg_info should be able to emit the current values for repositories that are being searched.
00:45 < oldlaptop> but I guess 'installpath' implicitly maps to two entries now
00:46 < Bradipo> Right.
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00:46 < Bradipo> That's the rub.  It's news to many folks that PKG_PATH resolves to more than one "repository".
00:46  * oldlaptop fears it's news to many folks that PKG_PATH exists, but that's another thing
00:47 < Bradipo> Well, PKG_PATH is documented in packages(7) to some small extent.  But nothing documents what a "repository" is.
00:48 < Bradipo> Or rather that a "repository" is actually a multi-pathed entity.
00:48 < Bradipo> Reminds me of how vague Debian apt repositories can be. :-)
00:49 < dfdx> in OpenBSD::Intro(3p) I searched and found OpenBSD::PackageRepositoryList
00:49 < dfdx> not sure if it;s teh same thing, though.
00:50 < dfdx> oh well. I don't even have PKG_PATH set in my environment so I don't even know what I'm doing. 
00:50 < dfdx> :)
00:50 < Bradipo> Well, PKG_PATH is an environment that overrides the default.
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00:51 < Bradipo> man installurl
00:51 < Bradipo> man pkg_add # check FILES section
00:52 < Bradipo> SEE ALSO mentions OpenBSD::Intro(3p) too
00:53 < Bradipo> So yes, it seems like OpenBSD::PackageRepositoryList might be able to reveal something, but I'm not sure.
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01:12 < vortexx> commodorian: pkg_add -u on a 7.4 system stopped working after 7.5 got released... You might want to upgrade
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07:39 < kodcode> under certain light conditions, the white_balance_temperature setting of my webcam is changing from auto to 4600 and I have to reset it afterwards manually to default with `video -d`. How could I keep it always at auto?
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08:54 < MiniontobyPI> oke, so basicly we can conclude the provider is not sending gre packets
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09:06 < sonya> hello.. and here it goes: https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240514075024    i'm not prepared for a argumented tech disput, but it'd be very interesting if the proposal to deal/switch_on-off the Delayed Acks (RFC813) will occure as well..
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09:51 < bruflu> that's good news
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12:15 < commodorian> close
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13:18 < myappie> hi
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13:27 < byteskeptical> howdy
13:27 < brittluna> hi
13:29 < polarian> Is signify(1) pronounced sig-nify or sign-ify
13:30  * zelest says sign-ify.. since you sign stuff with it. :)
13:31 < __gilles> I'd say sig-nify personally
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13:31 < __gilles> but its the french speaking
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13:32 < __gilles> i'm not in tedu's head :p
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13:32 < zelest> It *is* significant though to ensure stuff hasn't been tampered with.. so I assume both are okey :P
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13:33 < remiliascarlet> https://man.openbsd.org/pppoe.4 One question about this one: in /etc/hostname.pppoe0, do I have to actually put "0.0.0.0" and "0.0.0.1", or do I have to put the actual static IP address there?
13:35 < zelest> rofl.. found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5s3l-0wh0 and YouTube seems to call it "Sine of Phi" :D
13:36 < remiliascarlet> Oh wait, it's literally explained in the next paragraph, so nevermind.
13:36 < polarian> remiliascarlet: you actually put them addresses
13:36 < polarian> they are placeholders
13:36 < polarian> pppoe will handle the routes when it connects
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13:38 < polarian> remiliascarlet: lemme pastebin my config I use for a dual stack to connect to my ISP
13:39 < polarian> remiliascarlet: https://dpaste.org/7YVKS
13:39 < polarian> replace <phydev> with the physical device, replace <username> with your username and <password> with your password
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13:40 < polarian> if you are doing IPv4 only you can delete line 4 and line 6
13:40 < polarian> apologies I only just saw the "nevermind"
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13:54 < remiliascarlet> polarian: The problem is that I don't know what the default gateway is, because provider won't tell me. So if I put 0.0.0.1 as the gateway, I get "add net default: gateway 0.0.0.1: File exists"
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13:56 < polarian> remiliascarlet: you don't need to know the default gateway
13:57 < remiliascarlet> I did like you have, which was almost what I already had anyway (just pap instead of chap).
13:57 < remiliascarlet> But still: status: no carrier
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13:58 < polarian> is the physical interface up?
13:58 < polarian> have you plugged in the physical interface?
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14:00 < remiliascarlet> Yes.
14:00 < remiliascarlet> And yes.
14:00 < remiliascarlet> https://dpaste.org/W3ZBB
14:01 < polarian> show me the pppoe0 config
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14:02 < remiliascarlet> https://dpaste.org/4VwcK
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14:02 < CosmicDJ> remiliascarlet: did you try authproto pap?
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14:03 < remiliascarlet> Yes, as I already said a few messages ago.
14:04 < roped> I am using http://man.openbsd.org/vnconfig.8 and https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9527/how-should-one-set-up-full-disk-encryption-on-openbsd as reference, but newfs command fails: https://dpaste.org/m6Cpm what am I doing wrong?
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14:05 < IcePic> rvnd0a to get the char device?
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14:05 < IcePic> (for roped)
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14:08 < polarian> remiliascarlet: I am not too sure... do you have any logs? it should show some logs in /var/log/messages
14:09 < polarian> secondly, some background information might be useful, such as what ISP you are trying to connect to.
14:09 < roped> IcePic, what manpages should I read to understand the difference between vnd*, rvnd* and svnd* used in the link above?
14:10 < remiliascarlet> Logs: none from what I can see.
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14:10 < IcePic> roped: I'll check, but the manpage for newfs(_ext2fs) state how it wants it written
14:10 < remiliascarlet> ISP: https://gmobb.jp/service/koteiip/
14:11 < polarian> great Japanese 
14:11 < polarian> I have spoken to someone in the past which was having issues with Japanese ISPs on Linux 
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14:12 < polarian> anyways if you could find some logs for pppoe0 attempting to connect that would be highly useful
14:12 < roped> IcePic, found it: "The special file should be a raw device, for example /dev/rsd0a"
14:12 < roped> thank you
14:12 < remiliascarlet> /var/log/messages won't show me any logs related to pppoe or ifconfig.
14:12 < polarian> roped: cat /var/log/messages | grep pppoe0
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14:13 < polarian> have you run sh /etc/netstart?
14:13 < remiliascarlet> Why roped?
14:13 < remiliascarlet> And yes, of course I did.
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14:13 < IcePic> roped: some info on why there are two kinds of disk /dev entries: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/unix-filesystems-evolution/9780471456759/chap05-sec004.html#:~:text=Note%20that%20both%20can%20be,accessed%20through%20%2Fdev%2Fdsk.
14:13 < roped> remiliascarlet, why what?
14:14 < remiliascarlet> If I didn't, I wouldn't get the info in ifconfig at all.
14:14 < remiliascarlet> roped: │23:12:55         polarian | roped: cat /var/log/messages | grep pppoe0
14:15 < polarian> right nothing...
14:15 < roped> miscompleted nickname probably?
14:15 < polarian> show me the contents of /etc/hostname.em0
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14:15 < remiliascarlet> https://dpaste.org/QmHBC
14:16 < roped> IcePic, a whole book, awesome!
14:16 < polarian> remiliascarlet: remove inet autoconf 
14:16 < polarian> you only want to set the interface to up
14:17 < polarian> I doubt thats the issue but you can still try
14:18 < remiliascarlet> I gave this a try, and `sh /etc/netstart`'d (adding this info just in case), but no difference.
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14:20 < polarian> hmmm
14:20 < polarian> are you sure the credentials are correct
14:20 < remiliascarlet> Yes.
14:20 < polarian> works with other pppoe routers?
14:21 < remiliascarlet> Works with a TP-Link router, yes.
14:21 < remiliascarlet> On that one I had to reboot for it to work. Would it perhaps be the same with an OpenBSD server?
14:21 < polarian> right show me the full output of ifconfig
14:22 < remiliascarlet> Some of the stuff in ifconfig is confidential, so the first dpaste link is all the relevant stuff already.
14:22 < remiliascarlet> I didn't include the loopback stuff, because of course it's going to be the same it is for everybody else.
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14:24 < CosmicDJ> remiliascarlet: em0 is connected to a pppoe modem (which is in bridge mode), right?
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14:24 < polarian> remiliascarlet: the device shows PADI is sent 
14:24 < polarian> the remote hasn't responded
14:25 < polarian> try restarting the device fully
14:25 < polarian> just to rule that out
14:25 < remiliascarlet> em0 is connected to the router, not pppoe modem.
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14:25 < remiliascarlet> The router does happen to have a setting to configure pppoe connections.
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14:27 < polarian> remiliascarlet: I am confused now
14:27 < polarian> so the router has the internet line into it... correct?
14:27 < remiliascarlet> De-confuse yourself.
14:27 < remiliascarlet> You mean WAN? Yes.
14:28 < polarian> ok 
14:28 < polarian> now the WAN is what exactly?
14:28 < polarian> ethernet, fibre etc
14:28 < remiliascarlet> Wide Area Network
14:29 < remiliascarlet> Flets Hikari.
14:29 < polarian> cause what it seems is happening is your router is sending PADI to the router which is wondering wtf that is (it doesn't have a pppoe daemon on it) so is likely dropping it 
14:29 < polarian> it must be configured as a gateway/modem
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14:29 < polarian> some routers have a modem mode setting
14:29 < polarian> some have an option to become a modem only 
14:29 < polarian> s/modem/gateway/
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14:30 < polarian> if you give me the model of the router I might be able to check 
14:31 < polarian> but I think this is a hardware problem and not a software problem
14:31 < remiliascarlet> The way it works here is, Flets Hikari (fibre) goes into the ONU, ONU goes into the WAN port of the router.
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14:32 < remiliascarlet> Then router sends over a 32 port switch to the OpenBSD machine.
14:32 < polarian> ah so it is an ONT (I believe is identical to ONU)
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14:32 < remiliascarlet> Never heard of an ONT.
14:32 < polarian> remiliascarlet: this configuration wont work 
14:32 < polarian> ONT Is the term used in UK
14:32 < polarian> You are behind a router, which you are trying to send PADI packets through...
14:33 < remiliascarlet> Not the same apparently: https://us.hitrontech.com/learn/what-is-the-difference-between-ont-onu/
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14:33 < polarian> it spits out ethernet 
14:34 < polarian> surely the ONU handles the pppoe then?
14:34 < remiliascarlet> PPPoE is handled on the router level.
14:34 < remiliascarlet> I can even switch ISPs within seconds from there.
14:34 < polarian> then why are you trying to pppoe on your device then 
14:35 < remiliascarlet> Because every ISP here uses PPPoE.
14:35 < polarian> is the openbsd machine plugged into the ONU DIRECTLY
14:35 < remiliascarlet> No.
14:35 < polarian> thats likely the issue
14:35 < remiliascarlet> Ah.
14:35 < polarian> try plugging into it directly
14:35 < polarian> see if it works...
14:35 < polarian> remove any points of failure to check your OpenBSD configs work
14:36 < remiliascarlet> Not willing to do that. The router itself is a pain in the ass when it comes to changes.
14:36 < polarian> then I can't help
14:36 < polarian> you can't diagnose an issue by trying nothing
14:37 < remiliascarlet> And I doubt I can get a 2nd ONU unless I get a 2nd ISP connection.
14:37 < remiliascarlet> s/connection/subscription
14:38 < remiliascarlet> By that I mean a 2nd Flets subscription, not just a static IP.
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14:38 < CosmicDJ> with DSL you could make your router dumb by telling it to work in pppoe bridge mode, so that OpenBSD could do all the PPPoE stuff
14:38 < polarian> CosmicDJ: this is fibre thoughj 
14:38 < polarian> I have only worked with DSL
14:39 < remiliascarlet> Is DSL any better? I only vaguely heard about it before.
14:39 < polarian> remiliascarlet: no where close lol
14:39 < polarian> DSL uses a copper telephone pair as a carrier 
14:39 < remiliascarlet> Oh damn.
14:40  * remiliascarlet will cope with her relayd setup
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14:40 < polarian> which are as thin as a hair on your arm, break easily, are vulnerable to interference, and have a maximum throughput of 80mbps down and 20mbps up (Using UK Openreach backhaul, using different frequencies allow higher speed, such as G.Fast)
14:42 < remiliascarlet> DSL reminds me to the abbreviation of the long extinct Linux distro "Damn Small Linux".
14:42 < Bradipo> DSL is Digital Subscriber Line.
14:42 < thrig> dsl also works better closer to the telco building
14:42 < Bradipo> DSL also is ancient by today's standards.
14:43 < CosmicDJ> I'd love to have fibre instead of DSL, but not the way you have it (SFP+ cable with just static IP or DHCP and no PPPoE whatsoever crap anymore would be great)
14:43 < Bradipo> But it's better than 56K dialup.
14:43 < remiliascarlet> I actually Damn Small Linux on a live CD in middle school, teachers absolutely freaked out.
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14:44 < remiliascarlet> Took them 5 months to finally lock out booting from CD on all their computers.
14:46 < vortexx> where I'm moving to next month I'm going from FTTH 1000/1000 to VDSL 100/32... Got a VDSL bridge device from the ISP and also static IP. I've prepped the hostname.pppoe0 file, I hope I have less issues than you remiliascarlet 
14:47 < vortexx> village will have symetric fibre option by the end of the year, supposedly
14:49 < remiliascarlet> polarian: By the way, they have options to order 8, 16, 32, or 64 static IPs under 1 PPPoE connection. Would that work with my setup, or out it still cause problems?
14:49 < remiliascarlet> s/out/will
14:49 < polarian> thrig: depends... it works better closer to the termination point... so just because you aren't close to the exchange doesn't mean you can't get good DSL speeds... (good still being slow by fibre standards)
14:50 < polarian> remiliascarlet: Probably, they will simply allocate a block 
14:50 < remiliascarlet> Probably works, or probably won't?
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14:51 < polarian> probably works
14:51 < polarian> I don't know how your ISP does things
14:51 < remiliascarlet> They just provide a PPPoE login and password.
14:51 < polarian> For example my ISP gives me the blocks and I have to manually assign them 
14:51 < remiliascarlet> That's all.
14:52 < remiliascarlet> They will also show your static IP or static IP range.
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14:52 < remiliascarlet> Oh, and how much you will pay each month.
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14:54 < remiliascarlet> And by which payment method I chose to pay, I chose to pay by cash at the convenience store. Every time I give out my credit/debit card details, I discover I can't entrust anyone with my CC details at all.
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19:54 < xx> what are the keys used by https://man.openbsd.org/signify called?
19:54 < xx> keys used by gpg are called PGP keys
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19:58 < Lucas6023> xx: GnuPG is an implementation of PGP
19:59 < Lucas6023> the keys in signify aren't "particular", in the sense that PGP "keys" are actually identites
19:59 < Lucas6023> they tight a couple more of stuff to the "key" than just the cryptographic material
20:00 < Lucas6023> the keys that signify uses are just plain keys
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20:04 < xx> yeah, but, those keys still adhere to some format
20:04 < xx> and I wish to know the name so that I can put it in a guide
20:05 < xx> I guess I could just call it a public key
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20:05 < xx> but a lot of people will misinterpret 'public key' to mean PGP public key (or maybe even ssh public key)
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20:07 < thrig> most folks are plenty ignorant about these here computer things
20:07 < uwharrie> then use the correct name and put a note about the misconceptions
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20:13 < quinq> Hummmm
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20:15 < quinq> Any idea what I could be doing wrong, I'm setting up a protected directory with httpd and htpasswd
20:15 < xx> yeah but what is the correct name then for keys that are understood by signify?
20:16 < quinq> in my httpd I have: location "/dir/*" { authenticate with "/htdocs/dir/.htpasswd" }
20:16 < xx> my understanding is that openbsd creates a tool called signify that understands XX keys, just like gnupg creates the tool called gpg that understands PGP keys
20:16 < uwharrie> it uses the terms public key and secure key
20:16 < quinq> Then I do: htpasswd /var/www/htdocs/dir/.htpasswd test
20:16 < quinq> With password "test"
20:16 < quinq> Restart httpd
20:16 < xx> what is XX in that sentence?
20:17 < quinq> And I get a 401 when trying to access that over http(s)
20:17 < quinq> and /var/www/htdocs/dir/.htpasswd is root:www 640
20:18 < uwharrie> or sorry, public key and secret (private) key
20:20 < tommyrot> my htpasswd was 600 www:daemon
20:21 < tommyrot> other than that it looks like it should work
20:24 < thrig> signify understands signify keys
20:24 < quinq> Thing is that same config works somewhere else :/
20:25 < quinq> Meh ok
20:25 < quinq> Seems that's because www didn't have access to dir/ :D
20:25 < quinq> Though it didn't complain about that :/
20:25 < tommyrot> jep that does it
20:26 < quinq> Would be useful to get a ENOACCESS instead of just 401
20:26 < tommyrot> USRERROR
20:27 < quinq> Or that ^^
20:28 < quinq> (although that's kind of obvious)
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20:57 < GnarledHorn> hello - I have an email with a base64 encoded attachment in my mbox. Are there tools in the base system to extract that attachment?
20:58 < GnarledHorn> I was thinking I could snip the relevant section using text tools and then _something_ does the reverse base64... I'm hoping there's a more common solution
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20:59 < phy1729> openssl base64 -d can do the base64 part
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21:01 < GnarledHorn> classic - thank you. That and vi should do the trick. I was hoping there's some mailmime tool I had overlooked
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21:03 < GnarledHorn> verified successful!
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21:11 < sibiria> we have b64decode/encode in base, too
21:12 < sibiria> b64decode -r, if you want to deal with raw header-less base64 content
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