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00:08 < byteskeptical> morpho: man pf.conf
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00:12 < morpho> still struggling to understand
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00:12 < morpho> what does these settings apply to exactly?
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00:16 < byteskeptical> morpho: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/
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00:49 < mischief> morpho: it requires a little knowledge about the structure of the packets..
00:51 < mischief> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4#Flags some description of DF is here
00:51 < mischief> id is also just above that.
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01:00 < morpho> mischief: thankyou
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01:53 < SOLARIS_s> hmm
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02:36 < quinq> aa/22
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03:13 < A1ice> any nezha D1 user? follow the installation guide i saw openbsd support allwinner d1 now, anyone install on it ?
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08:41 < quinq> Hola
08:41 < quinq> Just to be sure I didn't miss something, it's not possible to have UNIX timestamps in syslog logs, is it?
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08:50 < zelest> In top, what's the difference between the STATE sleep and idle?
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08:52 < zelest> Ah, ps(1) explains it.. idle (sleeping for longer than 20 seconds)
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11:35 < sir-photch> Hey everone. I am pretty new to OpenBSD and I have an issue where one service needs many open files. Where should I configure "ulimit -n"? Just in "/etc/rc.d/myservice"?
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11:37 < quinq> sir-photch, look at login.conf(5) :)
11:37 < quinq> (and rc.d(8))
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11:39 < sir-photch> alright, will do. thanks!
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11:41 < quinq> But basically, you can create a login class with the parameters you want, and in your rc.d script, you can set the daemon to that login class and it'll use those limits
11:41 < sir-photch> I suppose I'll learn about login classes in login.conf(5)?
11:41 < quinq> yes
11:42 < sir-photch> gotcha
11:42 < quinq> You can also look at the existing default /etc/login.conf
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12:38 < vortexx> quinq: doesn't look like syslogd can do unix timestamps
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12:46 < quinq> Yeah :/
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14:27 < sibiria> that seems like a relatively simple patch to me
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14:28 < sibiria> given that it's already pulling out a timespec from time.h in order to render the ISO 8601 timestamp
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14:31 < vortexx> sibiria: so extend -Z option to "ISO" or "unix" ? Or add a new option like -X ?
14:31 < vortexx> probably better for the second option so users of -Z don't get affected by the patch
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14:36 < sibiria> -E, -z *shrug*
14:36 < vortexx> is there any other util/daemon using unix timestamps that has a flag to enable it? Could copy that
14:37 < sibiria> rsyslog probably has it. it's the bona fide syslogger in the *nix world
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15:13 < Tobbi> I'm trying to build SuperTux for OpenBSD. I'm getting af ew linker errors: https://pastebin.com/iC3Hi8mp 
15:13 < Tobbi> Can anyone help me?
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15:21 < vortexx> Tobbi: why aren't you just using the package?
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15:22 < Tobbi> vortexx: Because my CMake script isn't picking it up properly. I specified paths directly, previously it was -lSDL2 and -lSDL2_image which couldn't be resolved.
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15:24 < vortexx> Tobbi: I meant why aren't you just installing supertux from packages. It's also in ports and *should* just compile. Can't help you further, sorry
15:25 < Tobbi> vortexx: I'm a SuperTux dev and I'm writing a CI script for nightly builds.
15:26 < thrig> perhaps take a peek at whatever patches the port uses?
15:26 < Tobbi> I could. Where do I find that?
15:27 < oldlaptop> one would normally use https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html
15:28 < vortexx> or just grab the ports tarball from https://mirror.ungleich.ch/pub/OpenBSD/7.5/ports.tar.gz or whatever mirror/cdn you'd like, then untar and the patches are in /usr/ports/games/supertux/patches/
15:29 < oldlaptop> also known as anoncvs.html section "Pre-Loading the Source Tree"
15:29 < Tobbi> I found https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/games/supertux/Makefile
15:30 < vortexx> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/tree/master/games/supertux/patches if you'd like
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15:31 < Tobbi> Hrm, that doesn't use the CMakeLists
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15:43 < vortexx> Tobbi: probably called from bsd.port.mk which is invoked by the Makefile? https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/index.html will explain more
15:45  * oldlaptop notes 'MODULES +=		devel/cmake'
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16:17 < mischief> write that down in your copybook.
16:18 < mischief> on a related note, i detest cmake and wish it would die quietly in a corner
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16:19 < thrig> yeah I got autotools working for a small C library before cmake did anything useful, working on both in parallel
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16:20 < mischief> meson is the way
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16:20 < thrig> more recently I've been "here's a Makefile, if it don't work on linux too bad"
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16:22 < thrig> (I did some vague testing on alpine linux, when that clunker laptop wasn't misbehaving)
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16:52 < sibiria> i think cmake is more elegant than autotools, but that's to little avail when autotools has all the footprint everywhere
16:54 < mischief> elegant is not a word i'd use for the same old macro/token pasting garbage that is cmake
16:55 < quinq> Also nowadays there's little need for an autodetection configuring system
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16:56 < sibiria> mischief: as opposed to the horrifically convoluted and slow brute-force compatibility testing mega scripts that autotools puts out? :D
16:57 < sibiria> don't get me wrong, i'm the "meat and potato" kinda guy who prefers plain simple Makefiles, but cmake is bounds tidier than autotools
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17:00 < oldlaptop> "less inelegant than autotools" is, shall we say, a lower bar than "describable as elegant with a straight face"
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17:04 < sibiria> i've worked plenty with both. not difficult to have an objectively technical views of them
17:06 < sibiria> and i think the world of unices have reconciled enough that they've mostly lost their original usefulness
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17:07 < sibiria> between linux and the BSDs a majority of things these days build right off the bat without crazy compatibility wrangling
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19:00 < coleman> I'm on team meson, too :)
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19:39 < izder456> o/
19:40 < izder456> i was having minor issues with disk i/o speed. I have a sata III samsung evo ssd atm, but my system slows to a near halt when doing large file transfers.
19:41 < izder456> any sysctl flag i should set so my bottleneck isny my ssd?
19:41 < izder456> in general use, openbsd is great performance wise. but for large backups, moving files around in my media library, that sorta thing. its a bit annoying.
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19:42 < izder456> https://termbin.com/fl0g
19:42 < izder456> this is what my sysctl looks like atm
19:43 < izder456> https://bsd-hardware.info/?probe=0032ef2a58
19:43 < izder456> and my system specs ^
19:44 < izder456> wait sorry, i misremembered. i used to have an EVO drive in this
19:44 < izder456> its a 1TB PNY ssd
19:44 < izder456> still- Sata iii
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19:52 < sibiria> you're probably just seeing openbsd's generally lower performance
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19:52 < sibiria> that and FFS being slow in itself
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20:01 < izder456> i was afraid it was a FFS2 thing
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20:02 < izder456> my performance concerns just come down to the filesystem. the system is quite zippy otherwise.
20:02 < izder456> i mean i run a tiling wm and my load is lean.
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20:10 < dfdx> Is there a list of files in /etc I should particularly pay attention to backing up before upgrading OpenBSD, or will all of those files remain unchanged?
20:10 < izder456> in general use, ffs2 is about as fast as say, ext4 over on the other *nix system. but is just with large files specifically that it slows down. somewhere around 200+ MiB
20:11 < izder456> my slowness issue is just with*
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20:11 < izder456> dfdx: you can see what files changed from the base sets with sysmerge(8), and that will be your answer
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20:12 < izder456> thats what i usually do
20:12 < izder456> also, doas.conf, sysctl.conf, and maybe the hostname.if files would be worth keeping as well
20:13 < izder456> pf.conf if you had a complex pf config as well
20:13 < izder456> hope this helps
20:13 < dfdx> thanks, it does.
20:14 < Lucas> I back up the files that I modified from the defaults
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20:14  * dfdx might just backup the entire /etc directory...
20:14 < Lucas> which always end up being surprisingly few files
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20:16 < Lucas> and which usually ends up being hostname.*, pf.conf, rc.conf.local, myname, mygate (if present)
20:17 < Lucas> and if you have any kind of service, most probably acme-client.conf and the whole acme/ directory
20:17 < Lucas> and ssl/ too
20:17 < sibiria> just save all of etc if you're worried
20:17 < sibiria> tar -cf /root/etc.tar /etc
20:18 < dfdx> I don't know why I don't backup using tar. I just do cp -a. 
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20:20 < izder456> i use tarsnap personally. but im probably unesicarily paranoid.
20:20 < izder456> i can't spell for shiz
20:23 < mischief> /var/backups
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20:42 < dfdx> I just read about etckeeper. Not sure what the advantage of using it is instead of just git. seems like a git wrapper, unless there's some kind of pkg_add hook or something.
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20:44 < izder456> lemme look into etckeeper. thats interesting.
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20:48 < izder456> dfdx: yeah- reading the archwiki on it. looks like its just a wrapper for VC systems. not super crazy. might have a good interface idk.
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20:53 < mischief> i ran etckeeper for years on a laptop and literally never thought about it or ever had to use the history it kept
20:53 < mischief> though i also never copied that history off for backups, so..
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20:58 < zelest> etckeeper?
21:02 < izder456> its just a VC manager for your /etc directory.
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21:03 < izder456> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Etckeeper
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21:03 < izder456> zelest: ^
21:04 < zelest> sounds like whatever-it-is but with extra steps..
21:04 < zelest> whenever i do backups, i blindly just copy the whole /etc
21:04 < zelest> but then again, mine changes very rarely
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21:06 < izder456> mine rarely changes. i just manage my systems with p5-Rex
21:06 < izder456> automation is something im not super well versed in, but im fairly confident in perl.
21:06 < izder456> so Rex fills that gap for Mete- 
21:06 < izder456> Me*
21:07 < izder456> stupid autocomplete with erc
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21:09 < zelest> when setting up automation takes more time than the actual task itself, you're over-complicating stuff :)
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21:14 < izder456> yeah i set up my Rex automation once in like 30 minutes.
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21:14 < izder456> its simple to use.
21:15 < zelest> each to their own of course. :)
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21:15 < izder456> its not like perl i known to *not be* a write-once lanugage ;)
21:15 < izder456> is*
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22:14 < bitchin> Hi
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22:34 < bitchin> Is it possible to trigger refresh when interface changes ip?
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22:35 < bitchin> for example i need my firewall refreshing for some reason when ppp ip changes
22:35 < bitchin> So need to hook up a trigger to a command
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22:37 < sibiria> if it's just the main ip address of the interface, pf can already manage that if you just wrap the interface in parens
22:38 < bitchin> interesting, let me review :)
22:38 < sibiria> e.g. pass in on re0 from any to (re0) ...
22:39 < sibiria> not for "on", just on to/from/rdr-to/nat-to (ifname)
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22:46 < bitchin> I should really do some tcp dumps
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22:59 < bitchin> the interface I'm using is egress
22:59 < bitchin> "The egress group, which contains the interface(s) that holds the default route(s). "
23:00 < bitchin> nat-to (egress:0) is what i got
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23:02 < sibiria> that should do fine
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23:03 < bitchin> possibly it's not that
23:03 < bitchin> so maybe it's incoming
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23:09 < bitchin> well i just tested it
23:09 < bitchin> :D
23:10 < bitchin> I found an instance where I was using pppoe0 as a device rather than egress
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23:29 < sibiria> using the actual interface name works just the same in this case
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23:29 < sibiria> using group names is useful if you have multiple interfaces in the same group and you want to bunch them up in the rule set
23:30 < sibiria> or if your install is on a hypervisor that may suddenly change config (or if you launch on a hypervisor you don't entirely know which virtual interface it will manifest)
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23:41 < bitchin> hmm, still having the issue
23:41  * bitchin sleeps
23:41 < bitchin> thanks
23:41 < bitchin> I learned something
23:42 < bitchin> I will do some more tomorrow, otherwise I'll be deleriously hacking it
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