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00:02 < thrig> tcpdump something | logger something
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00:02 < polyex> just like that eh? damn  yall some real ass n words
00:02 < polyex> ty!
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03:30 < jrmu> n0mOr3$ys@dm!NdUNd3rPr04()
03:30 < jrmu> had a new idea but not sure if I can follow this one correctly
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03:32 < jrmu> In the IPv4 example, my address is 104.167.241.211, the gateway is 104.167.241.193, and the subnet mask 255.255.255.192. The network length then is /26. I don't control the entire /26 subnet, only one single IPv4 address within it, but my network would have a prefix length of /26.
03:32 < jrmu> Isn't using a prefix length of /48 the same in the case of IPv6? I don't control the entire /48, but the gateway 2602:fccf:400::1 shares the first 48 network bits with my IPv6 address 2602:fccf:400:41::
03:32 < jrmu> If I were to set the routing prefix length to 64, then I could manually add an extra route to the IPv6 gateway. But then, wouldn't I want to set my IPv4 address with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.255, so that the network length would be 32 rather than 26, and also add a manual route there? 
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03:33 < jrmu> This has been perenially confusing to me because people always seem to suggest that the routing prefix should be the same length as the subnet you have total control over
03:33 < jrmu> but it seems inconsistent with how it's handled with IPv4
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04:40 < remiliascarlet> caze: Nobody said I had to null terminate (an array of) uint64_t.
04:40 < remiliascarlet> Also, don't dictate your own opinions on to me.
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04:42 < remiliascarlet> By "null terminate", it should have been obvious I was talking about a char, not an uint64_t. Besides, I already said that uint64_t turned out not to be the problem numerous times before I even mentioned null termination.
04:43 < remiliascarlet> So learn to fucking read!
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04:47 < phy1729> remiliascarlet: I'd appreciate if you'd tone it down a bit 
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07:12 < remiliascarlet> phy1729: I'd appreciate if people would read before they accuse me of something I never said.
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07:18 < quinq> remiliascarlet, I disagree with you that all parrots smell bad though
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07:27 < remiliascarlet> Yeah, funny...
07:27 < remiliascarlet> And pointless.
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13:09 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but to ask a question on misc@ I just email misc@openbsd.org, right? Do I need anything special in the subject or e-mail body?
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13:17 < dennis> You don't need anything "special", but you might want to have a look at https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html first
13:20 < dfdx> dennis: I read that, but my e-mail got returned with the following message: Your message to misc@openbsd.org was rejected because it
13:20 < dfdx> was not explicitly addressed to the misc mailing list.
13:20 < dfdx> I tried reaching out to the majordomo owner to see what I did wrong but never got back anything.
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13:22 < sibiria> dfdx: was it a 5xx response or a 4xx?
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13:22 < dfdx> sibiria: i'm not sure, how can I check?
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13:23 < sibiria> gmail etc. *might* reveal the response in the bounced message
13:23 < sibiria> the mailing lists use a graylisting system which will initially give a temporary "try later", though it shouldn't result in an actual bounce
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13:24 < sibiria> the few times i mail to the lists i do nothing but send to misc@ (or similar), without being subscribed, and then i acknowledge the confirmation e-mail that comes back
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13:25 < dfdx> sibiria: I can look at the header but I don't see anything obvious that pops out.
13:25 < dfdx> the thing is, I *am* subscribed to misc@ already.
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13:27 < dfdx> here is what my e-mail and the response looked like: https://bpa.st/V6SQ
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13:30 < sibiria> openbsd.org
13:30 < sibiria> not .com
13:30 < dfdx> omg
13:30 < dfdx> i'm an idiot. thanks.
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13:43 < seninha> I was checking how OpenBSD code deals with https://xkcd.com/1285/ and found out that older BSD code tends to use two spaces after a period: https://termbin.com/ffox
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13:43 < seninha> While newer OpenBSD code like (tmux, ssh, openssl, vmd, etc) tends to use a single space after a period: https://termbin.com/h96lh
13:44 < martian67> two spaces after a period on a fixed with terminal/font is deranged
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13:45 < sibiria> i don't think there's a guideline for that. if you ask me, i think older people have an easier way to follow the thread of a sentence if there's a bit of space between each, and most people who put two spaces between sentences do so for the sake of those eventual readers
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13:46 < seninha> I only do two spaces because that's what my editor deals with full stops.
13:46 < seninha> s/what/how/
13:47 < birdnest> hey is dragonflybsd any good
13:47 < phy1729> I'd suggest asking their channel
13:47 < dfdx> try #dragonflybsd on efnet? 
13:48 < seninha> Two spaces is an old practice, from typewriter and tty times. times
13:48 < birdnest> sure thanks
13:50 < birdnest> is there like rivalry and stuff between the BSDs ?
13:50 < birdnest> i guess not just an honest question
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13:53 < phy1729> Patches will get shared between the projects sometimes, but I've not run Dfly for more than a few minutes. You'd get better opinions from the people who actually use it. Hammer2 does look cool though.
13:53 < birdnest> cool thx for the reply
13:53 < birdnest> i am doing some contributions to dfbsd atm
13:54 < birdnest> i don't know os stuff but there is a web interface for their package builder thing synth
13:54 < birdnest> so it is fun to help out
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13:55 < phy1729> You'd really be better off asking a dfly channel about how the dfly project runs and their infra.
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13:56 < birdnest> yeah i am already there
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14:22 < jmcunx> seninha: FWIW, fmt(1) puts 2 spaces after a period via 'fmt -w 60' when each sentence is on its on line :)
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14:23 < jmcunx> on = own 
14:23 < thrig> man (or roff) also does that
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14:40 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240522045252 <-- we can expect some questions from Apple Silicon users... Hopefully they read this before they update but I'm sure some won't
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14:41 < vortexx> (firmware bug in update makes OpenBSD unbootable, need to update the m1n1 bootloader to fix it)
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14:46 < wolfdog> oh, Apple...
14:46 < sibiria> well, uh, it's their hardware and platform
14:46 < wolfdog> how many times have the Asahi folks found firmware bugs in macOS updates at this point?
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14:46 < wolfdog> i lost count.
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14:47 < pardis> seeing 'curl | sh' in an undeadly post makes me sad (even if the "recommendation" does come from Asahi)
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14:47 < sibiria> shouldn't be expected that they take third-party OSes into account when doing their updates. it was generous enough that they opened the M-series up to allow non-Apple boot payloads
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14:58 < IcePic> pardis: dunno about that. Savvy people will DL the script and look at it, non-savvy pople would run "apt install", "dnf install" or "pkg_add" and let it run all manners of pre-post install scripts and programs
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15:00 < oldlaptop> After some kind of signature check, generally
15:01 < oldlaptop> which curl won't /really/ do (tls isn't the same)
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19:46 < dfdx> when I am root and run doas -u <someuser>, why does it ask for my root password? Is there any way to disable this?
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19:49 < fro> https://man.openbsd.org/doas.conf.5
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20:03 < ssm_> dfdx: consider using su(1) instead when dropping privs from root
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20:04 < dfdx> thanks for the tips, fro & ssm_. Will look into it. 
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