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03:54 < remiliascarlet> vortexx: In the end, it's an ARM chip, so it doesn't take a genius to realize that Apple will make damn sure nothing other than macOS will run on their hardware. These "bugs" are really just features to Apple.
03:57 < tommyrot> and what do they gain from this effort?
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03:58 < remiliascarlet> Total control, of course.
04:00 < remiliascarlet> "By 2030, you will own nothing, and you'll be happy." ~ Klaus "Satan Klaus" Schwab
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15:58 < echelon> is openbsd known to support dell poweredge hardware?
15:58 < echelon> i'm thinking there might be some limitations to what kind of nics i can use?
16:01 < anexit> Any decent camera out there that can record 24/7 to a storage device?
16:01 < lts> echelon: yes but check https://bsd-hardware.info/
16:02 < echelon> thanks
16:03 < xse> iirc openbsd.amsterdam uses poweredge servers
16:03 < echelon> do i have to run the probe to find out?
16:03 < lts> Nah, start with https://bsd-hardware.info/?view=computers&year=all&vendor=Dell
16:04 < lts> If you have a particular network card in mind, try the man page of its driver. The page typically lists the models it works with
16:04 < uwharrie> also Dell is pretty good about loaning out demo hardware
16:04 < anexit> Dells are junk
16:05 < echelon> so what would you recommend for a 1u racked server?
16:05 < anexit> Supermicro
16:05 < uwharrie> we've went through several config iterations that met our workload needs at the best cost point last refresh cycle
16:07 < echelon> anexit: we get third party parts supplier for warranty, it seems unlikely they would have parts for supermicro
16:07 < uwharrie> heh, we switched from (rebranded) supermicros to dell but that was mainly down to poor support from our approved vendor
16:07 < echelon> yeah lol ^
16:08 < lts> echelon: what network cards did you have in mind?
16:08 < uwharrie> systems showing up not-to-spec, selling us used systems as new, not having or being able to get replacement parts so we had to take chances on sketchy looking third party sites
16:08 < echelon> i don't know, broadcom seems to be the most commonly offered from dell
16:09 < anexit> tell runs to much silver in all their motherboards and creep corrosion is a major issue especially if you're looking for long term.  If you have a colo or a facility that has climate control then it wouldn't matter much but when you have closet companies and thats all they can have because of cost then I wouldn't be looking at a dell.  IBM/lenovo has addressed this issue but dell hasn't and refuses.
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16:09 < anexit> Supermicro, Fujitisu all have corrected this.
16:10 < oldlaptop> uwharrie: One wonders how this vendor got approved
16:14 < uwharrie> they were much better when first approved, but it looks like a change in upper management and a decision to pivot and chase the GPUs-in-DCs market led to pure servers taking a back seat
16:14 < sibiria> anexit: most plain USB webcams can
16:15 < anexit> sibiria:  This is in a place that is a feel miles deep in the wood.  I want to watch wild beavers and there is no cell service so I've been amazon looking.
16:16 < anexit> I just didn't know so many exsisted
16:16 < anexit> lol
16:16 < uwharrie> and a motion activated hunting camera wouldn't suffice?
16:16 < sibiria> sounds like you just want a regular trail camera
16:16 < anexit> I need 24/7 recording
16:16 < sibiria> there are trail cameras that do that, too
16:17 < sibiria> but uh, just get some cheap used logitech thing and try it on your PC?
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16:17 < anexit> https://www.amazon.com/Cellular-Solar-Powered-Surveillance-Virtually-Weather-Resistant/dp/B08V393N9D/ref=asc_df_B08V393N9D/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693272747190&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8803474927584744349&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9005304&hvtargid=pla-1211044261819&psc=1&mcid=bb6d45551c76324cafb9a98d7148aeec&gad_source=1
16:17 < sibiria> see if it manages a 24 hour marathon
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16:35 < amnesiac> Hi. which miniPCIe wifi module is better for openbsd for now ?
16:35 < amnesiac> supporting ac may be ?
16:36 < lts> Are you sure you don't mean m.2?
16:37 < amnesiac> or does it possible to run Atheros 9882 ?
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16:37 < amnesiac> lts, yes i'm sure
16:37 < amnesiac> need it to run with apu3c
16:37 < amnesiac> so it has only mpci-e
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16:38 < amnesiac> la+
16:39 < amnesiac> ops, sorry mistyped
16:39 < amnesiac> lts, apu has support with WLE600VX and it build on Atheros 9882
16:40 < amnesiac> however ath page does not have this hardware mentioned seems
16:40 < amnesiac> So I have question - which would be better for now. If it's known.
16:41 < oldlaptop> If you want this as an AP, my advice (as someone running an apu2 as an openbsd AP) is "don't"
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17:15 < vortexx> amnesiac: you won't get .11ac or .11ax in AP mode with OpenBSD, you barely get .11g . It's best to buy an external AP (any old wifi router can be converted to AP mode if you want to reuse hw)
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17:24 < uwharrie> I tried the hostap with .11g and it mostly worked with laptops, but fell over hard with mobile devices that did aggresive power saving. Ended up getting a cheap RouterOS device and switched it to dumb/bridged mode so all it handles is the radio associations
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17:35 < oldlaptop> there are dedicated APs available even in the consumer-shiny-plastic-thingy market segment
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17:35 < oldlaptop> (if reuse isn't a good option for some reason)
17:35 < lts> OpenWRT in Unifi AP
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17:43 < sibiria> uwharrie: ral(4) manages powersaving clients great
17:44 < sibiria> it's unfortunately stuck in 11g, too
17:44 < uwharrie> I had an older athn when I tried it
17:44 < sibiria> yeah athn is kinda... buggy
17:45 < sibiria> to my knowledge, ral(4) is still the only stable driver for hostap mode
17:46 < vortexx> I have a deployed APU2 that does .11n with athn, it's around 2Mbps iirc and breaks down frequently. It's mostly for when nothing else works and I've forgotten the usb2eth adapter
17:46 < sibiria> terrible
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17:47 < sibiria> ral(4) on the chipset i had was like a tank. never failed, but 22-23 mbit/s (maximum of 11g) wasn't entirely pleasant
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17:51 < vortexx> athn0: AR9280 rev 2 (2T2R), ROM rev 22,
17:52 < vortexx> minipcie card came from PC Engines, back in the day
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17:58 < amnesiac> oldlaptop, vortexx, I understood. Thank you. Will overthink this again.
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18:00 < amnesiac> vortexx, does this work well ?
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18:03 < vortexx> amnesiac: for the external AP? Works great for me. Wifi chip on an APU2 board is terrible 
18:03 < amnesiac> and it's g or n ? and perfomance is 23mb ?
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18:26 < vortexx> amnesiac: it's 11n and it's 2Mbps usually for the athn chip
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18:32 < amnesiac> vortexx, not much
18:33 < amnesiac> I understood. Will bury an idea about openbsd driven wifi ap.
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19:02 < izder456> o/
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20:35 < sonya> is there a way to keep battery at ~60% of capacity? thanks.. see hw.sensors.acpibat0 but no direct battery mgmnt yet..
20:36 < ssm_> power management is typically a bios feature
20:36 < vortexx> yeah on my laptop I can set that in BIOS
20:36 < ssm_> control over the charging circuit, at the very least (unless you're insane like pine64)
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20:37 < sonya> darn uefi here..  bios0: vendor American Megatrends International, LLC. version "XU133.N.SODIMM.S3F3A0D1T1.ROW.SDZ.018" date 11/24/2023
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20:38 < sonya> it seems it's "engineering edition", but no such things as battery management, unfortunately..
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20:39 < sonya> i mean Lenovo has a kind of "Power Manager" (for win) for such things and just looking for alternate ways for obsd
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20:46 < thrig> if only the documentation or source code or both for the BIOS was available
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20:49 < sonya> ok.. then another dumb question: how can i get the memory datails with obsd? example: 1 slot, ddr5, speed or smth like.. thanks.. p.s.: cpuz for win shows required data
20:50 < sonya> details^ sorry
20:50 < sonya> tried hw-probe - no luck
20:51 < sonya> but.. sec..
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20:53 < hitest> dmesg willgive some info
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20:55 < sonya> sure.. but i need details: ddr type, speed, slots (empty/installed) and so on.. wish to get timings as well
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20:56 < sonya> no.. hw-probe return only generic data (and it's great, if concider it's upload capability)
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20:58 < sonya> consider^ .. 
20:58 < sonya> need to sleep i guess
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21:16 < sonya> btw, xbattbar is really helpful (and tweakable) tool to keep an eye at battery status.. 
21:17 < ssm_> programming lemonbar apm -l is much nicer, especially with cwm
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21:17 < ssm_> s/lemonbar/& with/
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21:18 < ssm_> lemonbar is truly the utility of all time
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21:20 < sonya> hmm.. may be.. but here is WindowMaker-0.96 and all that bars.. well.. :))
21:21 < sonya> i long time lived with wbar, but then tmux/screen finally won and twisted my feeble brain..
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21:27 < thrig> I guess irssi has a status bar, but I've been too lazy to figure out how to turn it off
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21:32 < sibiria> but why would you want to? it's your friend
21:32 < sibiria> the status bar holds our hands through the IRC nyte
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22:36 < rdbo> hey guys, i was wondering if anybody got Sway to work on OpenBSD in QEMU
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22:37 < rdbo> I'm on Linux playing with OpenBSD in QEMU, and when I run `startsway.sh`, it says `Unable to open /dev/dri/card0` and `Unable to create backend`
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22:44 < rdbo> Maybe I have to install something to detect the QEMU GPU or something? Or could be a problem in the host as well
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22:50 < sibiria> no but you will probably have to use a specific virtual video device
22:50 < sibiria> standard vga, for example
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23:00 < rdbo> i tried passing e.g `-device virtio-vga`, `-device virtio-gpu` and `-device qxl` to see if any would be detected as a GPU and none did
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23:03 < mischief> the defaults work for me
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23:04 < rdbo> Maybe there is something wrong with my `/dev/dri/card0`?
23:06 < fro> maybe chunk is dead
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23:26 < oldlaptop> rdbo: I'm not aware offhand of any device qemu will expose that has a KMS/DRI-capable driver.
23:26 < oldlaptop> It rather sounds as though Sway is capable only of using DRI for video rendering as it stands.
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23:27 < oldlaptop> (I don't get the impression the people behind wayland want to support things like the legacy user-mode X.org drivers that are needed for video output without dri/drm/whatever.)
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23:30 < izder456> i havent played with wayland at all yet. any nits or tips if i try it?
23:30 < izder456> i wanna try out mahogany
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